EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Recent thread has me wondering.  So i want to do a little educational research.  Im sure i know the outcome, however it could just be my opinion so here goes:

For those of you who have been breeding the same line of dogs for years (multiple generations) does your line have a tendency to hunt a certain way?  Now no two dogs are exactly the same, but I want to know if the hunting tendancies are similiar, IE rough, loose, short/ long range etc. 

Not wanting to fume any spillage from other recent posts....but Yes.

That is why the lines are continued..to reproduce the same consistency in desired traits.
Even lines that are hunted and kept together but differ in breeding should be some what repetitive in traits if bred correctly. 

I haven't been breeding but for four generations deep on my yard, but the dogs I'm breeding come from a line that has been bred (pretty tightly I might add) for a very long time.  To answer your question, ABSOLUTELY they do and I always thought that was the whole point...to get more of just what you like.

iv been breeding the same bmc for ten yr now and they still come short range and very rough , this is wat i like and so far these dogs have stayed this way for me. i dont plan on changing anything .
iv started my catahoula breed and it will be done the same way. they are loose bay and hunt a little farther. i use the 2 breeds together and it works fine for me.

Yes sir. All my dog are pretty dang consistent. On how they work. If I send you a pup I can pretty much tell you how its going to work and its style of working. Weather on cows or hogs. The tighter the dog breed for the traits I look for the more I can tell about the pups.

This was what i was getting at with my original question... If a man has bred "his" line of dogs for much time at all he should know how they should hunt. My uncle ran walkers on coons for most of my life and he could dang sure tell u how his dogs hunted as a rule. I have only been messing with my for about five years and i can already tell you what to expect from my line. Some ;) are like used a car salesman they want u to call and talk so they can feel u out and then sell a dog that is promised to do what ever it it is u like, because what ever u described that u like is what their dogs do. I have been down that road before. If someone cant tell u how their dogs hunt it is because they dont know (because they dont hunt)...

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x3 ;)

I've had two litters of dogs outta my two best dogs and then I've bred two litter of catahoulas outta the same male so outta 4 litters I can dang sure tell you how those pups are gonna hunt, like there parents they hunt from 600-900 yards making loops and checking in every so often. They will keep doing this until they find a pig, bay em up and as soon as the catchdog gets there they catch if not already caught. I have 1 female that isn't as catchy but she will if my male does. So I'm gonna pretty much know they are gonna hunt the way there parents do because I bred those two dogs that hunt alike and show constancy. If that made sense lol:D

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Crazy Dog Kennels

Haven't bred dogs like that of my own but have a male and from the start he hunted just like the guys dogs I got him from did he started this from the first time I took him out.  I sent him back last summer to him to hunt because I did not get to hunt and he took him hunting and a guy that has hunted with him for a while it took him a while to figure out that this was a new dog to him because he hunted just the same as the rest of the dogs on the ground so yes defiantly with a line there is consistency good or bad.

really???? WOW!!

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Been breeding mine for a while now and can tell you just about what a young dog is going to do .  Not much variation and they stay very consistent .

Yes really.

This thread wasnt directed towards you so please move on.  Thanks.

Salty Dog won't be posting on ETHD any more.

I have three line bred bmc from the same line, there not my line and was very lucky to get , craig loftin bred these dogs for years  and I believe what he has told me about these dogs, they are all female , one 11 yrs + , one 7 yrs and one at 2 and a half ,  the oldest [ sally ] is real leggy , she hunts out the farthest of the three , a super dog  , she is also the kind of dog that always seems to find pork , candy the next one she seems to wanna hang back and not want to hunt out as far , sometimes it frustrates me  but when she hits a track she will stay with it for miles and will roll out till she cant walk , maybe a slower starter , the youngest of the line hasnt reached there level yet , she hunts but comes back alot more and doesnt seem as focused , im giving her another season , my favorite out of candys last litter was killed so I kept her, but not to disagree or argue just fact , these dogs all will hunt and any hog hunter would luv to have , but they all hunt  diffrent  and all shine at diffrent times

this is exactly what i know to be true everyone has their likes and dislikes and ill bet anything I could take a dog that comes from a line that is rough and short range and make them long range and loose baying. everyones dogs will work the way you train them to work and will follow the way your pack works!

Could you take that same dog and train him to be exactly what you want WITHOUT that pack.  Putting dog onthe ground by himself and expecting him to get it done consistently is totally different then throwing a dog down with other dogs and letting him pack up.

Going by your statement, you oughta have a yard full of straight up hog dogs, and you oughta be able to go right down to the pound and get em to do it.  I just don't buy that.

Ok man you got me. Sorry but people on ethd im to lazy to train my dogs so I just breed them to work and the ones I cant train I cull. Whooooooo take a deep breath glad I got that off my chest everyone knows now.Lmao

Lol your crazy

Crazy Dog Kennels

Not saying it can't be done from time to time, But I would love to see someone do it consistently. I've seen sorry dogs come out of awesome lines and I've seen freaks of nature " awesome dogs " come out of junk but not very often. To say you can take any old dog out of any old line and train them to do exactly what you want them to do is hard to believe. I don't know you so I'm not saying you can't but I would like to see you do it. I do believe that proper training is a big help but the blood has got to be there first. It's hard to make a line of dogs that have been bred a certain way for generations hunt different without making an outcross for that trait.

I havent been hunting now but 7 years but my opinion is. When that puppy is born its either in him to be a long range or a shorter range dog, yes I believe you can fine tune his baying abilities to some extent. But like i said thats just my belief so take it with a grain of salt.

I got to agree with Lance

REALLY!!!!   Well with all the post on the dog trade wanting long range dogs,  I can only assume that you are getting rich selling dogs!!!    lol......or is this (ASSUME) the one that  (make an a$$ out of you & me)-- and the me being the one who believes your statement......

how would you go about  this?  by running them with a pack thats long range and loose?  if you took a pup whos genetics were short and rough and had no access to other dogs, how would you do it?

i personally like short range and rough so the thought on how to do this has honestly never crossed my mind.

Just a couple of days ago I posted " analyzing your dogs in the pack" thread but it should of been "EVALUATING" your dogs in the pack... both words mean about the same...doggininhogs statement tends to fit along with what I have said...you can take a me too dog and run him in a good pack and this dog looks good... take him by himself and he is a cull...I have seen so called good packs of dogs...but when the lead dog is gone the pack looks like crap when hunting...

I am not knocking the pack dogs because different dogs bring a different skill to the pack...just saying evaluate your dogs on individual performance and breed accordingly...

Rueben, I don't think you two were saying the same thing at all...

Scott,  that is the meaning I get from what he was saying...I am one of those that believes a dog can not be trained for certain traits...but some dogs can be made to hunt short or long range by the pack they are hunting with and this dog might not hunt  by itself... I was just pointing this out
.. some folks make the mistake of calling this dog a good hunting dog. But then to some folks it could be...

there are many people out there that do that very thing! I have ran into many hog hunters out there with mutes that are catching dogs and for only one reason ...money they dont want to spend the money to buy dogs or vests to protect their dogs it is easier to get a pack of mutes and push the woods sending dogs out on site chase then to invest any time or effort into making a good hog dog and protecting that dog as best as possible! I have NEVER got a dog killed by a hog do to training and the protection my dogs wear! How many of you can say the same thing?

Well I can tell you this:
 
1-You are not gonna take a pack of mutts and let them find hogs for you on a consistent basis unless you are over run with hogs. Put them dogs down with a track dog and that one dog will make that pack loom like an idiot.

2-You're not going to CONSISTENTLY get a mutt from a pound that can produce a hog by itself on a regular basis.  Just ain't happening.

3-I hunt pretty hard in the summer and I don't run vests so saying people who don't run gear don't like their dogs not true. And if you're consistently catching big hogs, you will get a dog killed sooner or later. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. If you wanna play, sooner or later you'll pay the piper  ;)

Equipment is a safety precaution .....but not a guarantee for safety. 

Record it not...unfortunately odds usually dictate otherwise if continued in this sport.

Dogginhogs I don't know u and I might be wrong. But if u have never got a dog killed in this sport then u either haven't been hunting long are you don't catch many hogs.

I KNOW THIS IS OFF TOPIC BUT JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVENT HAD A DOG KILLED HOG HINTS DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVEN'T BEEN DOING IT LONG OR HAVEN'T CAUGHT MANY HOGS. I'VE BEEN HUNTING LONG ENOUGH AND CAUGHT PLENTY OF HOGS AND HAVE NEVER LOST A DOG TO A HOG. DON'T GET ME WRONG I'VE SEEN SEVERAL LOST IN THE LINE OF DUTY BUT NEVER PERSONALLY LOST A DOG TO A HOG.

I didn't wanna post it out of superstition, but X2 right here. Just been blessed

Well i've never hunted with deaf or mute dogs dogs (and i don't know why it makes a difference if they are mute or not) so maybe thats what it is!!! Lololol


"the sun is shining somewhere in texas" -Jason Boland

I hope my post didn't come off as in if you hunted and didn't get a dog killed, you're not hunting.  That wasn't my intention at all and far from the truth.  I was simply saying that to say someone that didn't use the finest cut gear on every dog meant you didn't care was simply dumb, and the finest cut gear doesn't guarantee any safety.

From the get go, hog dogs have the odds stacked against em. Snakes, gators, diseases, bad hogs, and standards(culling) take most dogs before they reach an old age. I don't have many dogs in my yard but expect each one to produce so losing a single dog is a huge blow to my program, and hate to see it happen to anyone.

Like I said before, yore not gonna take a pack of mutts and consistently catch hogs, and any ONE well seasoned hog dog is gonna make that pack look foolish.

BA I WAS REALLY REPLYING TO THE POST. LIKE TBOB SAID JUST BEEN REAL BLESSED IN THAT ASPECT. BUT I AGREE WITH YOU ON THE PROTECTION I ONLY RUN CUT GEAR ON MY BULLDOG BUT I DON'T RUN A VEST IN THE SUMMERTIME.

Back to the question at hand.....

Dogginhogs- How do you take a close range catchy dog and turn him/her into a long range loose baying dog??  Not being a smart a$$, I am just curious as to the training techniques used to accomplish this feat. 

I don't know how to make a rough dog loose, but I do know how to make a short ranged dog long ranged.
Step 1 remove garmin.
Step 2et the dog get out of your sight
Step 3 imagine that he ran a long ways off and is hunting real hard

 Come on T Bob u can do it with a ruff dog

Lmao@ t bob.....good one! Ill have to Suggest that to a few I know...

You have it exactly, just 2 wks ago I ran with a guy whos dog has done great on its own and with some other dogs that had only been out a few times, then he ran with me in his area and with two differant dogs of mine on two differant runs my dogs both times struke hogs and bayed and his dog never joined the bays or even struke a hog. He said his dog was long range and loose baying, but on those outings the dog never made it out past 250 yards. He showed me on his garman where the dog was circling out almost a mile.

that why I keep up with my dogs and I scout the areas so I know what hogs im hunting and hunt the dogs that I know can handle the hogs im after, I have been doing this for some 15 years now and have listened to hog hunters that have hunted 30 and 40 years. Its a matter of learning and I learn something every time I go out. I have never claimed to know everything but I do know that to catch the number of hogs I do and the size I do and not loose a dog i must be doing something right and must have learned everything that has been taught to me and must be training my dogs right as well.

Well you said you could take a rough short range dog and train him to be loose and rough.  Him packing up with dogs that are long range is the dog doing what he wants, not training involved.

I want to know how you take a short range rough dog by himself and make him a long range loose dog.

I'm sure you catch big hogs and lots of them. I haven't seen pictures of them but that means nothing.  You probably have a great pack of dogs going by what you said but Internet talk is just that, TALK.  As far you not getting anything hurt, I contribute alot of that to luck but hey you might feel its your training that saves your dogs.  You do come off as extremely arrogant and those types usually learn nothing because they alreadythink they know it all  ;)

I think he knows way more than what we give him/her credit for!!! ;) ;D
You wouldn't be interested in a toe fight would you? Dogginhogs

giving who credit for?

I want to go on one of your guided hunts. It said you do guided hunts.How much is it going to cost me.

Just to throw it out there for all my fellow hog hunters, especially cward, dogginhogs guide service IS NOT A WORKING WEBSITE.  I was wanting to book a hunt with this superb hog dog trainer so i can learn something from the best there is but the website didnt exist.  Guess his training techniques do not exist either since he cant answer the question..

T-BOB, I wonder if dogginhogs and salty dog are related..or the same!!!!!

Randy p when you search it yes it comes up that saltydog and dogginhogs are atleast connected. Thats why I was being a smarta$$ about it. Lol  looks like thats why he could not answer what his dogs do cause he trains them special for each event.lol

  I smell smoke!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D

Big Ben have no fear...He can turn the smoke into a cloud with all the skills he has!! 

Dang all i was tryin to do was find if since i could generalize how my dogs hunt if i was an exception to the rule. rolleyes ;D

To answer your question......yes

http://dogginhogsguideservice.webstarts.com/the_kennal.html

This may helpclear that up.

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  If you are going to post something on the web that a lot of people can see atleast spell check it. DA.

Man I've missed a lot in the past few days lol