EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Just me wondering, not pointing any one out.  If you had a six mo old striking hogs, would you be wanting to sell this pup or other pups from the litter?   I mean if they are striking at six months I'm sure they will be jam up finished dogs by 10 months.   Isn't this something we would want to keep.

People sell dogs for different reasons. Maybe the person has all the good dogs he needs. Maybe they just need the money. Who knows.

 its hard to believe that you could have any strike dog at 10 months old , any dog will bark at a hog but to be a strike dog I think that will take more time than 10 months , just my 2 cents

A man that has a butt load of good and great dogs already and pups that comes from his good stock and wants to put a few good dogs in some good peoples hands yeah I can see it.  If the man didnt have good dogs you proably could not buy that pup from him are young dog.

Tx would these dogs be up for trade in say a classified or Internet site?

i ain't tex but yep . my little gyp that mav owns now was striking hogs along side my plott gyp at nine months old and on her own at 10 months . i kept her till she was a little over a year old . one of the best gyps i raised . wish i could say i bred her lol . BUT  i'm an old man had plenty good dogs and i didn't like her mouth it was purty but not loud enough for my old ears  lol so she was up for sale  it happens all the time . he is still hunting the hell out of her . but that's what i tell people looking for [ FINISHED ] dogs . if somebody is selling a good solid dog just ask em what it is they don't like about the dog . could be a number of things and none of them really bad . the internet is not a dumping ground for all things bad it's just a medium of advertisement no differant than the old way of posting an add in the paper or the magazines  .

I've got a gyp that was striking at 7 months and out striking all my other dogs by 11 months..

Some dogs/ lines just start earlier than others...

None of my others have turned on as early as that, but I'm sure she's not the only dog that has...  ;)

You know when you are looking at the dog trade you got to put your Bull Chit Glasses on .  Most the time if I got a good dog I might be letting go most my buddys these days know it and I dont really have to put up a ad on the dog trade they will be all trying to get here first.  I have put some good dogs on the dog trade and sold a few on there but if I get somebody really calling about a dog I will do a little research on the guy wanting to buy it.  It dont take much to learn a lot about a person.    The dogs I have sold are just what I said they were and can be backed up by all the people that have bought them so far I have not  had one unhappy person that I can think of.  I cant see selling a bad dog because it is just gonna get out real quick the man sells crap and then there you go.  There is a ton of chit on that dog trade but you just have to weed threw all of it and know who sells good dogs and who dont.  Go hunt the dog then its you on fault  if you buy it and then dont like the dog.

There is just all kinds of reasons for a man wanting to sell a dog like what you are talking about.  Family problems , money problems, room problems , job location not all folks are bad.  I can understand your point tho a six month old striking its on hog would be kinda hard to get rid of .

Good points!   
Ok now would you advertise this pup for trade at 6 mo or litter mates for another breed of dog or a cross breed dog!

My main strike dog was finding hogs at 7 months. And if i were u i would keep him. My dog is now 4 1/2yrs old and would not trade him for anything even tho he is hardheaded at times! Lol. And i have another strike dog that was finding at young age and a friend give her to me and those 2 make a good team

Hell Naw not me .  I only got two maybe three lines on this yard and I trust them to the max.

One thing people don't realize when buying dogs are bringing dogs into your breeding program if you got one are running one .  That is you are not just buying the dog you are buying the breeder and all dogs and breeders behind that dog and it don't take but one dishonest paper hangin hole in the butt in that whole bunch to screw your whole breeding program up.  I have seen one suppose to be great ace bred dog screw up four and five gens of great breeding and whole yards nearly whipped out are whipped out because of it .  I know of a man lived in Arizona in the desert way back in the day had thousands and tens of  thousands of dollars tied up in his dogs that got so mad because of this kinda thing he went home and he culled his whole yard 30 something dogs in the Arizona desert and buried them all in the ground with half there tails sticking out of the ground  !!!!!!!!!!!

Thats how pissed off he got !

x2...not many striking at 6 months but quite a few at 10 months old...some 6 month old pups can be amazing...

I'm probably misunderstanding. Papers don't give a dog breeding rights correct? Papers or not surely the dog is worked And you figure out what it's got before breeding.

No man what am saying is when you get a pup you need to know were it comes from as much as you can because when you get that pup and bring it into your yard you are not only getting that dog you are getting what is behind that dog his sire/dam and all the grand parents you need to know as much as you can about them and not only that you are getting the honesty/dishonesty of the man that bred each one of these dogs.  So knowing as much as you can not only about the dogs behind this pup but as much as you can about the breeders also .  So if you are trying to get a certian blooded dog to go with your bloodlines and some hole in the butt hung papers on the dogs grandparents the dog is not really bred like what you think, so you can end up screwing up your whole yard with this one dog if he turns out and makes a dog and you start breeding your dogs to him then your yard is not bred like what you think and things start to go down hill fast.

Are without papers if a man has been breeding a line of dogs for years and years and sells dogs from this line you got to be carefull because he can do the same thing and just tell you what you want to hear yeah man they are out of old so and so and they are not .  Are he could have just some other kind of dog in the line just to sell pups .  You buy them thinking one thing   and in reality they are just the oppsite then there goes your yard.

Paper means noting to me .

Your yard doesn't go anywhere unless you let it! Don't breed the dog unless your certain about him. If you don't breed him how does your yard go south? I understand there are shady people. That's why I deal with friends or friends of friends. If a pup/ dog turns out to not be what your looking for don't breed it and it CAN'T affect your line/yard. Make sense? Or am I still not understanding?

What if the dog turns out to be Super Man and he is not bred like what you think he is someone just told you what you wanted to hear .  He is one of them speical breedings his daddy was ok dog his momma was a ok  but both his grand sires were pure doo doo and the grand maws were just ok and behind that nobody knows but this dog is Super Man himself he is the greatest dog you ever seen its just one of the crap shoots one in a million that hit  .  Now you think he is bred one way and he is not he was just sold by a breeder that wanted to make money and either hung paper on him to get the big bucks are from someone that dont have paper and is just telling you he is off this dog are that dog.

Now you take Super Man breed him because he is a great dog to all your bitches sure you may get yourself a few dogs that are good dogs your dogs gene pool sare strong so you breed him again you get a few more that are good dogs then you take those dogs and breed them back into your yard all the sudden your gene pool cant handle the trash thats in his and you get ten pups 8 are culls another liter you get ten pups and nine are culls now his gene pool  spread all over your yard because you bred him because he was Super Man and someone lied to you about his bloodline  and sold you a great dog with a rank cull bloodline behind him.  Now you got his gene pool all over your yard and you are scratching your head saying what in the hell has gone wrong never knowing what just happened.

Always that possibility I guess.

It happens every day !

you are right...introduce new blood very carefully...if it don't nick then sell all the pups and look elsewhere...if it works then get the best pup from that cross and breed him or her once into the line...this will give 25% new/fresh blood and look for the offspring to breed but breeding the 3/4 again is ok as long as you watch it carefully...because you don't want to lose all those years of breeding your line...it doesn't take much for it to not be your line with a few bad moves in a breeding program...

Reuben I agree.

I think a lot of folks dont understand that a whole lot of bloodlines just do not click together no matter how good the dogs are that they are using .  This is why proven bloodlines and crosses is the best way to go if you are looking for good dogs to start out with .  You buy yourself a good dog from a proven line are a proven cross then you can take it from there .  Once the dog gets proven out you start looking for bloodlines you know it crosses with .  If not you go on instint and gut feelings and cross him to the best  and proven lines of dogs you can .  Once you hit a click you can build yourself something but it may take some time to find the right click .  Best way I know anyway .

I tell ya how you can tell what am saying is true .  Find any great breeder of dogs are any person that has good and great dogs and been doing it for a long time and look how he breeds them .  Note He will not hardly go off his yard to breed to anything and will not breed to another dog just because he is a great one and will  almost NEVER go off his yard UNLESS he is in dire need of fresh blood meaning a cross and then he will go right back into his yard for the next ten years !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the folks that get 80 to 100% good pups do it this way...but doing it this way is only half of it...the other have of the equation is to pick the right dogs for breeding within the said family...