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Creek boys vs Cambell crew any thoughts?

made up..... The grabing guns was a little far. Too bad that ranch hasnt had hogs on it,yet.

Sure had alot of bulldogs

If they would just get a better editor, the show nigh be more tolerable to watch!!! I think I could do a better job as a editor than what they got!!!

I wouldn't have let them have that hog.

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what happened? i dont have satelite right now.

The only thing real and unscripted was Jerry falling out of the jeep.

Hell they probably all went out drink whiskey together after the show. The part that crack me up is when they put the sunglasses and the cowboy hat on the boar hog and started imitating Jerry. About fell out of my chair.

I have to keep reminding myself  IT'S JUST FOR ENTERTAINMENT !

haha!! i know its bad to laugh at that. but it was hard not to laugh... and your right that was no editing on that.

the cat in pink would of been a bit much for me to handle for very long. hopefully it was for intertament purpose..

hunter you can watch it on line just google american hoggers on a& e

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 knowing the"creek boys " made it really interesting........ 

  Jeff,
   The guy who did that is on the site. Doesnt post much though. Good guy.

It was all a bit much with the guns and acting like 12 year olds.. The part that bothered me was people going to a bay knowing it was not their dogs and acting like they did. Also putting someone elses dog in their box when it has a GPS collar on and knowing who it belonged to was not cool either even if they did hunt dirty..  Stuff like that would not be good in real life and someone would have been missing teeth and i am not talking the hog. Hope that was all part of the show and not really how they all would act or do act in those situations.

i was wounderin if any of the lousianna poeple here know the person they got the dog from while they was huntin over there?

I got it recorded and just got to.watch it but man seems like the creek fellas were kinda chicken chit

folks, its national tv , they're all paid to act - and to say what they do .


that kinda stuff wouldn't happen in the real world without consequenses and repurcussions  :D

it was fuuunnnyyy,,,,,

i swear that walker the creek boys had.sounded identical to jerrys dog ranger.i can usualy call dogs barks.that was weird.lol

He reads a lot. Been waiting to get beat up a bit! When they called I thought man I will show them how its done! Problem is when you get to one there is no sound or camera guys there. So you see what they see!

How you doing Mike? Still hunting a bunch? I been having bad problems with catch dogs.

Only real part about it was Krystal getting her thumb nearly took off.

I been hunting a long time and I dont think all my time combined have I seen that many hogs running out in the open with clear vision of them and the dogs hitting them.

Its just a show I have to remind myself of that fun to watch I think.  Tell ya one thing it would have been some hell somebody trying to take a hog my dogs struck and caught . 

I like watching it hell its way better than some of this crap on tv and people wonder why the kids these days are like they are .

I watch the show and enjoy parts of it. If it has anything to do with catching hogs then I will watch it. But I still get mad and holler and cuss and talk chit to the T.V. because most of the show is so ridiculous. I realize that it is made for entertainment but I still can't help but believe that they make us look even worse with every episode. The owner of one of the bigger ranches that I hunt actually told me that if me and they guys that hunt with me acted like the people on American Hoggers then we would never hunt his place again. He's tagged along a couple of times so he knows that we don't act like that. The good side of the conversation was that he told me that no one else but me and the people that I bring with me would ever hunt his place. The bad side is if he had'nt got to know me before this show came out then I would of never had the chance to hunt there because he thinks that all of the other hog hunters are like the ones he has seen on American Hoggers. He said that he would let the hogs root the slab out from under his house and eat every calf on his place before he would let the Cambell's on his land. I'm sure that the Cambell's are far better people and hunters than they are portrayed on the show but I still believe that the show makes them and all of us look bad. I wish that Leah was the only person on the show that was allowed to have a speaking roll !

I watch the show and say how stupid it is. The whole time my wife says if you gonna say all that stuff why do you watch it? I am like most others I guess if its about hog hunting then I will watch it.
As far as the dog in LA. I dont know who they got him from. Looks like I seen that dog in the last episode also. Maybe it was already theres and they was just saying they got him from someone over here in LA. Who knows like everyone knows its all for show.

I love the voice of that walker they have. And Krystal could hang around my place other than that it's a ridiculous show.

im pretty sure that bigun dog came from a buddy of mine here in central texas!

Acting or not, I was embarrased for the Creek boys.  It's one thing to brag on your dogs and get a friendly compitition going, but all that non-sense that they did and said was over the top.  Even my 11 year old daughter who watches the show with me thought they were baffoons.  When an 11 year old sees the wrong in taking another groups hog, there's a problem with the adults, and don't blame it on the show and how they edited it.  As I see it, at the end of the day, a man has to look himself in the mirror, and if I were any  one of them, I wouldn't like what I saw looking back at me in the mirror.

They maybe the nicest guys in the world normally, but they weren't on that show and unfortunately that's all we'll ever get to see of them.  I guarantee you, the ranch I hunt would never allow the creek boys on it a second time if that's how they normally act, I don't care how many hogs they can catch.
Normally that show is good entertainment and worth watching, if nothing else for the good job that the two ladies always do, but that episode took it to a whole new low for me. 

And we're praying for Krystal and her thumb.  Hate to see anyone go through that over a hog and a TV show. 

X2 Mr. Smith

Dsmith, i talked to rady afterwards when they were done and iv hunted with him a bit and no matter what, he dispises talkn smack about other folks dogs and said the producers wanted them to do it. Iv hunted with randy and ronnie and admire the heck out of both of them and know they did what they did for ratings, not bc thats who they are

Charles, I can see the TV folks wanting them to do it for ratings, but for me, and maybe I'm the one that's odd here, but a man has to live with himself, period. 
Just like your daddy probably told you, as mine did me, "Well I don't care what little johnny said to do, if he said jump off a bridge, would you do that too?" 
We are all responsible for our actions and for how those actions affect others.  If the editors told 'em, "hey, we need the ratings, hunt naked!"  Would the creek boys do it? 
A man has to draw his own line in the sand.  Just as Jake Spoon fell in with the wrong crowd.  His actions got him strung up by a rope by his friends.  Ole' Gus wasn't happy about hanging his friend, but a line was crossed and Jake had a choice.  He chose wrong.

Sad thing is, my daughter had to watch grown men act no better than her 6th grade classmates fighting over the swingset on the playground.  Correction, she didn't HAVE to watch, but I was holding out hope that towards the end, they'd all bury the hatchet, and apologize in some way for their actions. 

 DSmith, I totally get your point and was thinking the same thing..

Let me be clear, I am still equally bothered by the Campbells putting the creek boys dog in their box as i was the Creek boys jumping their bay.. Not taking sides, wrong was ( Scripted) done with both sides.

The dog came from Tx... They got the dog from  Ronnie Creek before the competition...

I have read over and over again on this thread, or other threads about the reality hog hunting shows that have been aired, and people keep saying, "they are acting."
I disagree.  Yes, they may be acting differently than they normally do in their day to day lives, but they aren't in a movie playing a part written by some writer or producer.
Brad Pit can wear a dress and play a transgender in a movie and it's cool, we all know it's a movie and he is ACTING.   
The hunters in these shows aren't actors and they aren't playing parts written by a writers.  These are real people, using their real names, and apparently many of you know them and can attest to their character? 
I'm just saying, if they asked me to be on the show and hunt my dogs, as they did the Creek boys on this episode, I wouldn't trash talk the Campbells or their dogs on camera, no matter what the editors asked me to do.  It's about principal and the value of a mans character.  I was taught you can't put a dollar amount on your character and your word is as good as a written contract.  My dad didn't leave me much when he died many years ago of cancer, but he did leave me his last name and he asked me not to bring dishonor to it.  He might add to that today if he were still here, "and not even for a 30 minute show and it's ratings!"
So here we are today, judging the Creek boys over what we saw of them in a 30 minute show.  For me, what I saw, were men that apparently allowed other men to tarnish their own character just for ratings.  And I have to ask, "was it worth it?"  Mr. Creek bragged of riding bulls for 27 years ( I think he said 27?), but this time, he was the one that got ridden. 

Not being a smartbutt, but on your line of thinking. Do you believe everything in them hollywood movies are real, or atleast the actors should be held accountable?
Its not in randy to be a run of the mouth guy about things. We are all entitled to our own opinions.

A movie is a movie.  Reality TV is a camera following real people around.  I understand they want ratings and edit as needed to get those ratings, but that doesn't mean a man has to sell his soul in the process.  Not only did they trash talk the dogs, they trash talked other people, including the ladies, and mocked a senior citizen.  Again, maybe my values and morals are out of date, but by golly, I still believe in right and wrong and respecting other people, especially my elders. 

If I were asked  to come on the show and as part of the agreement, I'd  have to smack talk other people, trash their dogs, and act the baffoon.  My answer woulld be, "No thanks, keep your money and I'll keep my dignity."

If I wanted to play a part in a movie, then I'd act as silly as the part required.  But to play myself on TV, I'd want to come across as myself and not what the producers want me to be just for ratings.
I also wonder what the Campbells were thinking?  Did the show let them know in advance , "Hey, we are bringing in another crew and we're going to let them trash you on your own show, is that ok?"   :o

I'm not saying the Creek crew are bad people.  I'll take your word for it that they are decent people and leave it at that.  My point is, why embarass yourself on national television just because a producer asked you to in order to pad his own pockets?  If the audience is only going to see me for 30 minutes, I would hope they would see the good side of me and not something that I am not.  Does that not make sense? 
Surely Mr. Creek has family?  I would assume he wouldn't want his kids or grandkids watching that show and coming away with "Gee dad/grandpa, you stole that mans hog and sure made a fool of yourself in the process!"  If my daughter thought that, I would assume she's not alone? 
 
I guess I'm just expecting too much from a grown man these days?  But my dignity and my character are not for sale and no one can take them from me, but me.

And you are 100% correct, everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect yours.  We are just two people discussing a topic and I will lose no sleep over any of this tonight.  The show is just a show and I realize it is not 100% accurate and is edited for ratings.   8)

i got only past the first few sentences. i guess you have never erver ever ever bad mouth or mocked anybody, either outloud or under you breath/in your mind? reality shows are very short movies, and both have more crap in them than a X-MAS turkey. i am not sure about mr. ronnie's age, but i know mr. randy is getn on up there, but yet he is my senior, and i have respect for randy, ronnie and david and 99.99% of my elders. 

Here is a line you must have missed?

And it's CHRISTMAS turkey.

 i did say chirstmas, i just abreviated it to x-mas. so your saying you wouldnt trash talk them on camera. what about in person?

Most of the stuff on the show just makes the bullseye on hog doggers backs just a little bigger. We don't need all that on tv. It does make good entertainment but just don't think it needs to be on tv.

    Randy posts on here too.

Charles, I should have added that I don't make it a habit of talking about other peoples dogs as mine are not perfect by any means and I can't very well throw stones without first hitting my dogs first.  I have nothing negative to say about the Creek or Campbell dogs.  They use a different style of dog than me but that doesn't make mine better, or theirs worse.  It just means we have different taste. I haven't talked bad about the Campbells or the Creek crew other than what I have said about their behavior on a 30 minute show that we agree was scripted in some form or fashion.
If I were standing face to face to them, I would say the same thing.  Not to start a fight but to tell them the truth.  Trust me when I say I have no issues speaking my mind to someone face to face.  A co-worker recently made a statement about me to a superior when I wasn't around and this is a quote from that superior.  "One thing about D is he'll never stab you in the back, you will see it coming and it will be right square in your chest."
Last month I got written up at work for cussing a Captain out.  In the complaint they qouted all 7 of my lines, including the cuss words that I called him.  I read the complaint and replied in writing.  "Yes, those quotes are pretty accurate and I shouldn't have said them out load."  period
Didnt say I was sorry and gave no apology.  He is an ass and I told him so.
As I have made clear, a grown man acting like those 3 men did just because they were told to, to me is not a good excuse.  I don't think you and I will ever agree on this and that's ok and I have no reason to suspect or accuse you of being a 'smartbutt' as you said earlier, you are just voicing your opinion too.  
But I have to admit, there was one show that I had to laugh at and thought the whole thing was a joke and that was the one with the great danes and the fancy clothes.  Now I did make fun of those dogs as they rarely got on a hog that wasn't penned up first.  I do believe my dogs could find more hogs than those on any given day?   ;D

typo...sorry   

shouldn't have said them out loud     not load   rolleyes

I wouldn't hunt them trail barking a$$ dogs if they gave them to me
It's just all for show they say all hounds are trail barkers not the ones
I have
Good hunting bud

I just wish i had the places to hunt they do. hog hunting would be alot easeier than these piney woods in louisiana. i am on a lease 23 miles north of brady but cant turn dogs loose because of of the people we border!!!! everyone has hog problems no one wants to do anything about it!!!!

Charles,
I agree with a lot you are saying about the show. Of course it’s made up BS to get ratings. I wish it was not staged and more about hunting but the fact of the matter is ratings are what make the network money. If it was plain jane hunting all us doggers would watch but that is about as far as it would go.  I have known and hunted with the Campbell’s all my life and they are not like that at all. Robert loves his sister to death and they are best friends off camera. Just like you know your buddies I know the real Campbell’s. That being said I think if you are going to be on a show and act like a fool you need to be prepared to take the heat. I can say that because I was actually on this show season 1. You notice I hardly talk. The film crew wanted me to do some things that I said no to because in the back of my mind the whole time filming I didn’t want to look like a fool. You have been on here before your buddies were on doing a lot of bashing and you have that right. They need to take the heat good or bad because that’s part of being in the spotlight.  I’m sure they are great guys and everything you say about them is true. Just my thoughts….

The good thing about all this trash talk going on here is that every single hunter that is on the show is reading what y'all write on here. I'm sure they are laughing and saying well we figured they were gonna give us hell about this and that!!! Me, David Shepperd, and Randy Tate went hunting yesterday afternoon caught 4 good pigs in about 2 hours and probably wouldn't mind a little friendly competition from some of you boys now and then so we could evaluate these crap hounds we run. They've found enough over the last few months to keep the catch dogs mowed down so maybe we can just bring a few of y'all along with your catch dogs!!!! Now you see how ridiculous that sounds come guys don't be hating too much shows on A&E not sportsman channel. Y'all have a good one

If your reading this Crystal I'm a strapping young buck who looks like a cross between Tony Romo and George Clooney with a smooth southern drawl, and I'd be delighted to take you to the fanciest restaurant you please. I'll even carry your tray for you. ;)

Haha that's funny right there!

yep...she is hot...  :)

one thing I do know...critics are a dime a dozen...if we listen to them they can become our ball and chain...or...we can use that criticism to push us higher...  ;)

NOW THAT IS A GOOD ONE !!! You should have said you had some Quiet running med range dogs that would put just enough enamel on one to stop him and catch like vice grip when you told him to. And would run by a 200lb hog to get to a 400lb.

shoot ill even saddle her horse up for her. cant lose anymore fingers now... ;D

Hell I don't wanna lie to that pretty thang shep my dogs have been known to run right past a penned hog to go eat a pile of hog number 2.

See I was serious about the Romo Clooney thing lol

Right on

I know everyone has an opinion, and here is mine.

A couple of years ago, myself and Uglydog were approached about signing with a production company from California. They were interested in us because we were female hog hunters who had our own packs of dogs. One phrase really stuck with me from my telephone conversations with the company, and that was that they were really looking for "Characters" to sell to the audience. For some reason, that struck a note with me. This fella was less interested to hear about my dogs or my experience, and more interested in my ability to be a character. I politely declined his offers when I got a weird feeling that all he was fishing for was ratings and didn't care what he had to do to get them. Production companies are not our friends. They might lure you in with the idea of showcasing your sport, but I assure you that their motives are not to put you or your sport in a good light. Their motives are to show blood, guts, and drama. They want the real train wrecks because that is what the public likes to watch on TV.

As for the American Hoggers program, I believe it does damage to us in a couple of ways, and through no direct fault of the Campbells. First of all, if I were a landowner watching the show, I would see the APPEARANCE of disrespect on the part of the hunters. Be it the hot rodding of buggies on the property, the plastic bottles flying out onto the ground behind speeding buggies, or the idea that my invited guest hunters were exchanging insults and "threats" of gunplay while on my place, I could easily deduce that hog doggers are likely more trouble than they are worth. While there was footage of littering and bad driving, there was no footage of the hunters stopping to retrieve and properly dispose of the trash they lost. Furthermore, the ending to the Campbell Vs Creek episode ended with Mr Campbell not even shaking the landowner's hand. That to me just screams disrespectful. Now I am hoping that all of this was the work of the production company, and not how either party conducts themselves in real life. Not knowing either party, all I have to go on is what was broadcast on TV. If I were a landowner with a hog problem and this is all I had to go on, I would be dead and buried before I let a hog dogger on my place.

The second way I believe programs such as this are detrimental to the collective "US" is by showing the general public that Hog Hunters are a bunch of classless hillbillies. Again, I am not saying that the Campbells are classless hillbillies - but I am saying that is how they are portrayed on TV. It is much easier for anti hunters, anti hog doggers, and animal rights activists to go to the public and to our elected officials with a copy of (insert hog dogging reality show title here) and point to it and say "Look what these ignorant redneck hillbillies are doing to these dogs and pigs!" Strictly from a standpoint of putting our best image forward, we try to look and ACT professional whenever we are hunting. Furthermore, we try to remember that ANYTIME we are in public with hog dogs, we are representing not only ourselves, but Hog Doggers in general. I'm not saying that we need to wear suits and ties in the woods, but I am saying that acting in an appropriate manner in the presence of John Q. Public. We do not want people believing that all hog doggers are ignorant lowlives. Unfortunately, American Hoggers has exploited the Campbells, and made them look like hillbillies who do not know how to conduct themselves. This looks bad on all of us.

I also need to mention that during shooting, it may seem to the Campbells that all looks great. Much can be done in editing to skew how things look in the finished product. It is my hope and assumption that the Campbells and the Creeks did not intend to act in a manner which would be hurtful to their sport, and that any of the negative attributes of the show have been put there by the production company. I feel like it is highly likely that the Campbells are merely pawns in a production company's game. They were likely lured in by the prospect of money and acclaim, but were dealt a dirty hand once the contracts were signed. I find it unfortunate for all of us, but all we can do it work to better our own image.

As far as trash talking anyone's dogs, I can say that from the footage I saw I would not feed any of the dogs showcased. Not that they are bad dogs or potlickers, they just aren't my style, and it is possibly a regional difference that dictates the type or style of dogs you hunt. I guess my own expectations in a dog are different than theirs, and I see that as a good thing. If it were not for the many different styles and types of hunting dogs, hog dogging would get pretty boring.

Cheers
M

Accidental double post.
Cheers
M

This show makes us all look like idiots

Mandi,

You hit the nail right on the head!!!  I have been through it myself and when we wouldn't do some of the things they suggested they asked point blank if we wanted to be viewed as, " entertainers or respected authority on the subject?" We chose the respectful route that day and they said they would pass us along to National Geographic Channel. I should have asked how much they were willing to pay before I answered because it doesn't take but a few beers and I can be an " Entertainer" all day for the right price.  It is just TV and so far I enjoy their show the most out of all. Mr. Campbell certainly is entertaining no matter what he is doing IMO.

Joey

Joey, you are absolutely right about Mr Campbell being entertaining. I have enjoyed watching the show on his account, and he certainly exemplifies what it is to be a character. Now the fact that I see the program as detrimental to the sport does not detract from the entertainment value. Again, I am sure the Campbells are good folks, I just believe that we as a whole need to be mindful of the bigger picture before we go entering into agreements with production companies in order to promote ourselves. There will certainly be no shortage of copy cat shows being fished around, and if we are not careful the sport we love will be a thing of the past within a few years if it continues to be portrayed as it has been.

Cheers
M

I agree and disagree.

I just got through with a Feral hog seminar week before last that was put on by the federal wildlife and fisheries and the USGS.  We had State and Federal Biologists, Game Wardens (both State and Federal), and a host of "Experts" that attended.  They gave  a lot of presentations on the damages and the rise in populations that they are seeing and have being reported.  We discussed different ways to help slow the progression of the pig population down and of course it is pretty much a dead end street because they do not have the data to get the funding that they would need to implement a Federal or State funded project to start battling the situation at hand.  All the methods were discussed and most all agreed that the dogs were the most effective, however, they think that the dog hunters are mostly to blame and would like to put serious penalties on dog hunters or trappers for taking a hog alive, which is completely ignorant in my opinion.

Now for my point:  As the show may project a negative aspect in some regards it also projects the serious damage these hogs are doing and  how dangerous they can be, which is positive.  The viewers can form whatever opinion they like, but they are not the ones that we have to worry about because they more than likely do not own land and therefore do not pay the taxes that landowners do and make contributions to the Politicians that would push or throw out any bills that may come up concerning dog hunters.  The folks that we have to be worried about are the so called "Experts".  One of the speakers, who has a very popular night vision hunting service in GA. is trying to push a law that would cost us our dogs, vehicles, guns and a 5K dollar a hog fine if we were to get caught transporting them for any reason, even within state lines.  I dont know if he is trying to push this to boost his business, or he seriously thinks that is going to work, but I think it is about as stupid of an idea as it gets for several different reasons.  Ultimately the landowners are the ones we need on our side and they dont care one bit about that show or what happens to the dogs or hogs,  but they do care if some "Outlaw hog hunters" are trespassing, tearing up property, leaving gates open, etc. So basically we have to promote responsibility amongst ourselves and keep a positive image in the landowners eyes about dog hunters.

If they did outlaw hog hunting with dogs, how long do you think it would be until they repealed that?  I dont think it would last more than 3 years, before they were begging us to get back in the woods and I think that I would have to charge them to fix their screw up.

I hope my statement makes sense because I think I confused myself trying to type after driving all day.

Joey 

the show would be alot better in my opinion if there was more hunting and less staged hollywood drama. you know more like a documentary instead of a reality show

We all agree with that Cliffhanger, but unfortunately that doesnt sell to the mass public.  It is like "Billy the Exterminator", he has to put on that drama when trapping skunks, coons, snakes, etc. or the show would not have an audience.  If he just walked up and got the animal out of the trap and walked off like it is done in real life no kids would enjoy watching the show.  Like many of the others on this thread have said, "They are at the Mercy of the Producers and Editing dept."  The only reality of the show is it is some hog hunters making a living as entertainers, not hog hunters.  I dont know about you, but there is only so much hog hunting videos I can watch, because it gets boring just watching someone elses dogs bay a hog and then caught by the bulldog.  Doesnt make for much of a story line.

Joey, we do need to worry about how we look to the general public because the general public is who gets to vote on these measures when they come up. Look at the poor fellas in California who are about to be outlawed from hunting bear and big cats with hounds. The whole argument against that was that it was cruel to the wildlife and cruel to the dogs to "make" them hunt. There is a huge difference in using a hound to track and run an animal up into a tree, and using a dog to actually grab hold of another animal with it's teeth. That is where the public's perception of us can really hurt if we have not been on our toes in keeping ourselves regarded as empathetic houndsmen with a respect for our animals as well as the game we pursue. If we look like goofballs to the general public, they won't lose too much sleep about branding us unfeeling idiots and removing our rights and privileges to hunt with our dogs.

Honestly, as chic as it is to "rescue" animals from perceived "abuses" which typically start with whether you believe it is cruel to keep a dog outdoors with no air conditioning, I am surprised we still can hunt with dogs anymore at all. Heck, here in Texas, I am pretty certain that as of September 1 of this year it is illegal to house a dog outdoors at temps above 90 degrees. That is the type of idiocy we are up against.

Cheers
M

  yeah scaery ain't it . and you know the deal in california was fueled by a 60 second video taken off of yu-tube that showed about 5 hounds just ripping a baby bear cub apart . that is why it is so important to remember to keep your pictures and video's of your training sessions to your selfs . hell we know what they look like . see one dog bay a hog you seen em all . good clean kills are nice to show off your trophys but clean your dogs up a little lol don't need to see a bulldog covered in blood on the www. well thru preachin just yous you noodles folks .

Mandi,

I understand the public eye, and all hunters, no matter what your preference is, need to work together to protect ourselves and that goes without saying.  I was just stating that I can see how the show can help and hurt. ( It is so hard to get in the mind set of these radicals that think that an animal should be treated better than a human, much less an animal like a hog that is detremental to the ecology as a whole and does not belong here anyway.)  We also discussed how California has passed a law that you cant hunt hogs with more than 3 dogs on the ground, and I think you cant use a bulldog, but that may not be correct.  It is hard to believe that a state, California, has such a bad hog problem that it has effected the health of all americans, the ecoli outbreak a few years ago, would put kill fees, and regulations on hog hunting.  With the sport growing I can see where the states will try and make some money on them, but that is not going to help the problem at hand.  The public is the voters without a doubt, but the Politicians and the landowners (the ones who are affected and have the ears of the politicians) are the ones that present and push or squash bills.  If there isnt a bill to vote on then there isnt a problem with the public and that is the point I was trying to make with my statement about the public opinion.

Mandi,

We are from the South, they already think we are ignorant goofballs with no feelings! :)haha   Seriously, though you are so right and that is scary that folks form opinions without getting all the facts, but we are guilty of that at times, but I try not to be all the time.

rules such as th 90 degree rule you are talking about is really not idiocy...it is brilliance on the activists part...small rules like this will slowly erode away our way of life because that brick wall will come down one brick at a time...one rule (brick) here and one there and eventually we will loose our right to own out door dogs and that will end all hunting with dogs...

They have been trying to out law hunting with dogs since way back and they got there way years ago in California...right now it would be very hard to do away with hog dogs because PETA knows that they have too much opposition on this one...they have already talked about sterilizing hogs...to me this move was brought on by the anti's to stop hog dogging...before then they tried to say that dogs were genetically engineered and by going forward with that one they were hoping to do away with dog breeds...those folks are insane and do not make any sense whatsoever...

Reuben,

That is a very good point.  I unfortunately dont give them that much credit, but then again I have not been paying attention to what we are up against lately.  (I have had one busy year and not much time for the internet)  I understand that is the way they take everything away that we have.  They start making you register things, then they start taking them when ever they can on the street, and before you know it they are on your door step taking it directly away from your house.  Terrorisim, plain and simple!

PETA isn't the most danger to us as dog owners and hunters. HSUS is far worse. I found a quote of Wayne Pacelle this week which said " We will use the ballot box and the democratic process to end all hunting in America". That is only part of their agenda, and this is one of the richest non profits out there with a budget of literally hundreds of millions. They rake in the donations through those sappy commercials saying how they save dogs and cats from their abusers. In actuality, save for a few appearances tailor made for media, less than 1% of the Humane Society of the United States' millions go to actually help shelter pets. The rest is spent in ad campaigns and campaign contributions to your elected legislators as well as purchasing large numbers of stocks in companies to gain stroke in implementing their radical agenda by force.

These guys have lots of power these days, and not only hunters and pet owners should take notice, but all of animal agriculture needs to get on the offensive. PETA does stupid stunts, HSUS is calculated and patient to get their way a "brick at a time".  They even got the US department of agriculture to promote their "meatless mondays" to its employees. Ask yourself how much stroke an anti meat organization has to have in order to get the government entity who regulates and promotes agriculture to actually publish that they support the same campaign sworn to end meat consumption in America. Of course, usda's support was withdrawn when the cattlemans association squealed, but usda had already tasted the kool aid.....

Unfortunately, if more "general public" is not made aware of this organization and stop funding it, we may be going the way of California sooner rather than later.
Cheers
M

It is a shame and it sounds like us hunters need to start donating money to an organization that can fight the HSUS with political ads and expose them for who they are. Thank you for reminding me about the "Meatless Monday" fiasco. What the hell was the USDA thinking?!  There are people who are dedicated to the destruction of the US as a whole and we are surrounded by more of them than we realize.  TDHA, LSDHA and BSDHA is all we have, that I know about, that is fighting locally for our rights. We need folks in Washington for sure!!!

 would like to put serious penalties on dog hunters or trappers for taking a hog alive, which is completely ignorant in my opinion.

JHY, This last comment really bothers me. I don't know anyone that has enough freezers to keep every hog they kill in. I don't know enough people that i could give and would take all the hogs we get. But i do know one of the first things i was taught when learning to hunt as a kid was " If you KILL it, You EAT it". In Florida we have Feral hog transport cards that you have to apply for and get with the state to be able to transport a feral Hog with in state lines to your property and kept in a pen for your own personal consumption. If you sell hogs they have to be in a pen with a concrete or wood floor and the department of AG has your info and can come and inspect your pen at any time. I had a warden come check us a few weeks back and the first thing he wanted to see was my feral swine card and paperwork because we had a hog Alive in the truck. If i had not had one i would not have had a good day. Is everyone going to comply, No. But will it help, Yes. If you are insinuating that people should just kill hogs and leave them without eating the meat or getting it to someone that will then that is just not responcible hunting to me and gives Hunters a bad name, invasive or not. I call those Trophy hunters, People that shoot a big buck and take the head and leave the meat because it is too much work, or they don't know how to skin a animal. A hog hunter who takes the head for the teeth because his excuse is Boar hogs taste bad. Bull number 2. They taste bad when you drive around for hours with him still intact and his guts in at 80+ degrees for everyone to see he is a big hunter. I see a inmature person looking for attention who does not know how to hunt!! Lets just teach our kids that it is ok to shoot or kill a animal that was put on this earth to eat and just leave it laying on the ground. I could and do understand a Farmer who is out tending his property and see's a pack of hogs ruining his land, killing calfs ect Shooting hogs and leaving them and hope others do not come back.. That is not hunting, that is protecting his property and his money.  If you are out running dogs and are Hunting and don't have enough coolers and ice for the hogs you killed and the meat to be good for the ride home and taking the hogs home ALIVE is the only way to hunt responcibly how is that IGNORANT ? Should they turn them loose insted? That would help a lot, to the problem.. If less people caught hogs alive we would have a lot less hogs caught and removed in the country. I will admit i love catching them alive, That is my preferred way to hunt and have done so for 17 years. I have 2 in my Pen right now and 3 in 2 freezers. why should i be penalized for that? How am i being IGNORANT and a bad hunter ?

well we do have an organization that is working very hard to educate the masses about the hsus and peta and they are

                        www.humanewatch .org    and petakillsanimals   
 
          check them out and sign up for their e-mail and facebook updates and messages to share across the www. so many little old ladies and the general public are unaware of the true agenda of these orgs. and need help spreading the word to the public .

MagnumL,

I was calling the officials who think we should kill every hog on the spot that has been trapped or caught with dogs as  ignorant, not us hunters.  My point was exactly what you are saying.  Sorry if I did not convey that properly.

Joey

MagnumL,

Reread my post.  I said it is Ignorant to penalize us for taking a hog alive.

Joey

No need to apologize. It was the way it was worded that i took it as you not approving of hogs being taken alive personally. Sorry i took it the wrong way, atleast we both care about what is going on with hog hunting and i am glad to see people going out and being at these meetings. we all might have different styles of hunting and taste in dogs, but we all are Hog hunters and need to do our part to help everyone.. Thank you for that help and going the extra mile..  Lee

The NRA is fighting in washington. I think every hunter in the U S should be a member. They do a lot for hunting and gun rights.

X2 on the NRA...

 I had to reread it a few times to get what you were saying.

I know the Thermal hunting business in ga. you are referring too. I think that guy will say and do whatever he can to boost his business....truth or not!

Glad you are there for the dog hunter...keep up the good work.

Bet that would move to the top of the list as most dangerous job. Enforcing no hunting!

Just ignore these guys Krystal give me a call I wont let anyone take your dogs or your guns.  ;)

If they take Krystal's dogs Leah can hunt with me anytime. She got a little attitude on the new episode and I kinda like it. I like to make fun of the show and say I won't watch anymore but leah keeps me tuned in. I think she is the realist one on there.

YA SEE IT LAST NIGHT KRYSTAL WAS MAD AND TALK HER number 2 TO THEM NEW GRILS AND MAD SHE COULDNT HELP THEM OUT
IF I WAS THEM GRILS I WOULD OF TOLD HER TO LEARN HOW TO TIE OR UNTIE YOUR HORSE DUM A$$ AND WOULD BE ON THE SIDE LINES
WELL SHE NOT ALL THAT GOOD AT IT HOG HUNTING ANYWAY

i watch the show and it makes my wife crazy,lol. i just see some folks basically being actors and sure dont think they are bad folks or ignorant. and for how their dogs hunt, we have no idea due to how the editing etc is done. sadly  the genral public sees and dog hurtin pigs as typically not good. lots of folks tell me why cant we just shoot em as it is more humane.

 also for a little info on how hunting etc is here in california today. the 3 dog per hunter law is not new at all. we also must pay over 20 bucks per tag for hog tags. during regualr deer season we can only use one dog per hunter. bulldogs can be used . but under sport laws we can  only kill hogs with firearms or archery equiptment and  you absolutely cant take hogs  alive. and  we can not night hunt for hogs. deperedation is different  but lately they say we cant knife em or use dogs in most cases, even though dogs are legal for sport hunting. also under depredation permits and laws, the game wardens can and sometimes do tell us to bury the hogs we kill.

the bill to ban dogs for bobcat and bear is now on the governors desk, only  he can  stop it from becoming law now. also this bill was amended to add a thing called the hunting hound registry. this registry would cover any dog used to hunt, track or trail any mamal. im not sure that this might not try to be applied to stock dogs  also. these hunting hounds would have to be registered as a hunting hound and microchipped. and if found hunting non registered dogs you would be guilty of a crime. and im sure this registry would also be used to have animal control count  dogs etc as well as  ensure you also buy local dog liscense in addition to the hunting hound registration fees.

What was up with the trick riding and doing a back flip out of the saddle... To run to the bay/catch

Guess you'll missed the humane society commercial.  It was in the very first commercial break.....bet it wasn't put on during this show by accident!

about 3 seconds before old girl fell off the horse ,i said to my wife "shes gonna fall off that horse " then ......lol.acting or not that hurt!!

i like the new guys. i bought a dog from two of the guys on the creek team and they were straight about there dogs.