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Turn in resumes to the JV office in Beaumont Texas,  17 welders and 13 pipe fitters just walked off a job at flint hills in port arthur, i don't personally know what exactly is goin on all I heard was that they were told 34 hr and double time but double time is not going to be paid so they all walked.

Just a heads up for anyone who may be lookin for work

dang 34 an hour with all the perdium and everything else ain't too shabby a wage these days . they were all probably out of state welders to begin with . i never understood welders . the texas welders go to other states to weld and the other state's welder come to texas to weld . something wrong with the whole industry  . oohhh yea  unions   lol

I'm curious.  What does 34 hours and double time mean?

OK.  $34 an hour.  That makes sense.

Aint no different than when a new contractor took over for aviation maint in afghanistan. They lowered wages to $15hr, 84hrs a week with no OT. They wanted folks to live and work in an austere environment for less than stateside wages and not allow anything over 48hrs a wk to be considered OT X1.5 numorous bases lost nearly all the civilian mech n the military ask for a rebid n the contractor lost the contract bc they couldnt maintain 75% strength.

If I understand this, they would pay overtime ($51/hr) after 40/wk  ...  just not double time ($68/hr)??? 

exactly right !!! overtime is the law . double time is not .  like i said  unions to blame . end of story

Greedy is all it is unfortunately

x2  nut up and quit being lazy , nothing free [  AMERICANIZED  PEOPLE ]   kick the union out and teach the mexicans to weld , they will do it cheaper , faster , and wont cry like a bunch of third graders , and be on time

Thats their right. Maybe they can make more else where. The company stated their terms... the workers stated theirs... it didn't work out so they parted ways. The company owes the workers nothing and the workers owe the company nothing. Thats the free market.

Na these were all good ol boys, it wasnt greed, it was the fact that the company told them upon hire on that it was a double time job. The double time was supposed to start last week and everyone was expecting it, this morning  after working a week of assumed double time they were told that they weren't getting it. Its the principle of things.

Regardless i wasnt trin to get into an economics discussion. I am a QC for JV, if anyone shouldn't take up for them it is me but these guys overall were a good hard working group.

Halfbreed if it was a Union they wouldnt be walking out they would be getting the double time bc it would have been in a contract not just said. Unions may not be the best these days but at least they wont let you get screwed like these ole boys where!

    Joe can spend the coin on his ranches, and his house, but he doesn't like paying his creditors in a timely fashion. Can't say I am surprised to hear that he had some welders drag up over pay.  I won't ever sell to JV on credit again. >:(

If them gents were told $34hr @ double time, then they should be paid that, but according to dept of labor, they have no case unless it was put in writing.
Thats the same princapile of why aecom lost their contract overseas. Those that signed a contract for 160K with old company and when new company comes in, they cut the pay by nearly 60k. A lot of them guys packed their tools n cloths and hopped a bird outa there.

That's true Bub, but with today's world shoot I d be glad to have a job lol

There for a while JV (JVIC) was paying top dollar monday through Friday and Monday through Thursday after 8 hrs per day it was time and a half which is about unheard of...Then Friday night all the way to 7 AM on Monday... was considered the weekend and week end pay was double time even though some of the guys didn't work any of the week days and didn't have 40 hours...In other words 40 hours didn't have anything to do with time and a half or double time...these guys had it made for a while...one thing I can say is that they had the best craftsmen and safety record when they were paying top dollar...

...............why im still at work and getting payed to QC absolutely nothing right now lol

Amen to that! I just got off lol. Momma just took back strap off the Stove

Lol u must be working with the infamous David Gore if u are ac at Flint Hills...I was supposed to be a pipe foreman on that shut down for Lanny Vanskike but couldn't for health reasons!!

ahh hell let em walk there most than likely a bunch of welders from mississippi headed this way as we speak to fill the gap lol  everybody wonders why america can't compete in the job and manf. industry has to look no further than the unions willing to bankrupt a buissness for their own greedy wants regardless of how many familys are put out and ruined in the procces . ever womder why the unions were started and controlled by organized crime ????   don't take much esplainin lucy  lol

The 1 and only. He told me he met you before, your jeremy mansfield correct???

Consider yourself lucky not being out here, it is 1 giant fuster cluck!!!! I believe Lanny is on nights.

This. I dont see why people want to work real cheap and take a screwing from a company. Get rid of the unions so we can work like slaves and destroy the middle class of America.  rolleyes rolleyes

Or let other men decide when where and for how much I'll work? No thanks.

What's wrong with standing up to big business? I don't know about you, but i don't like getting screwed out of wages so some hot shot can line his pockets. Everybody wants to talk about how there's not any jobs left here, and such high unemployment rates. Well why do you think that is? Cause all the big business exports all the labor to the lowest bidder. Which does nothing for you or me or any other American except hurt us more. No jobs, means no money, which means no circulation throughout our economy, which bankrupts American businesses, not NEGOTIATING  for fair wages. No one forces Union contractors to be Union contractors, they choose to do so for a reason. You see what i mean Mr. Ricardo.

The unions overpriced and oversued a lot of companies till they went overseas. Union mind set is you are worth a certain amount for doing a certain job. This is crazy your worth whatever someone will pay you and if you think your worth more go find or earn a job paying more.

Lol that's me alright!!

I belonged to a union for 19 years and I saw the problems that were created by the union and also saw the problems created by the company...to me the answer for everyone was somewhere in the middle...I believe that the answer/solution to most our problems is somewhere in the middle...for example IMO if we were to combine the best ideas from the democrats with the republicans ideas then we might create a stronger economy within a few years...

That's probably exactly what needs to be done. Unfortunately it's not gonna happen, Americans as a whole will never come together (unionize), to do what's best for the good of the nation.

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hell boy's every job i ever had they told me up front what they paid . and then I [ EYE]  and no one else decided wether or not i would do the job for what was being offered . in what world is there any thing wrong with that . and after time if I didn't like it i packed my tools and moved on . the unions or [ gangsters ] had their day but that day is gone . they are no longer needed we have labor laws in place this day and time to protect the workers as well as the employers . you ever been with a non union company that won the bid on a union job ? we had to work nights to keep the union crybabys happy that is not america boys . texas is a right to work state and the unions be damned , cause i am southern born and southern bred , will hate the unions till i'm dead . most people these days join a union so there sorry lazy behinds cain't be fired lol now if that ain;t true i don't know what is  lol  as you boys might realize i ain't got no use for unions and neither should any other hard working americans  . if we could ever bust the uaw maybe the american auto manufacturers could compete on a level playing feild with the rest of the world and a shiney new pickup wouldn't cost 40.000.00 dollars  lol thru preachin  lol

                   GOD BLESS RONALD REAGAN =  UNION BUSTER

Ive never worked for a union but know lots that do , I was raise on a working race horse ranch , we bred alot with my dads high priced studs , I worked my a$$ off as a kid , at the barn before school feeding , watering and after school to 9 or 10 at night  cleaning stalls , walking ,  brushing ect. Ive done concrete now for 20 plus years , owned my own company for 6 years , I was taught hard work , you dont get a raise for what your gonna do but what you have done , I push my self and my men , we make the company a lot of money , the big union here is american airlines , the people I know there are lazy and there bosses are lazy because of the union and I could give a care less if our goverment wouldnt give them money to keep running ,I have one buddy that clocks in and goes fishing , hunting , home to eat , home to sleep and then goes back in to clock out , cooks all night at work weekly for everybody in his building , sleeps behind the paint booth or in his car all night ect. his boss will ask  him to work sat and sunday with only one part to paint the entire weekend and pay him  over time and double time to sit on his butt or sleep or read a book , hes worked there for 19 yrs so this is the norm , no company can last this way and there not doing good at all , this runs from the workers to the upper management , I would boot all them lazy bums out and start a fire in whats left a$$ , if I have no work my guys  go home if they want to come to work and be lazy , they go home , I dont need or like the union , there a waste ,

I don't generally like to get into pissin matches where there is gonna be no winner or loser but I gotta say somthin as I been stewin all morning. First let me say that I think Mr Whitten is one of the good guys on this board, his posts are downhome good advice or funny as heck. I believe he knows dogs as well as anyone on here but I disagree on unions. I have worked union since I got out of the service. Never once did I need the union to stick up for me but saw many instances where some butthead boss got it in for someone and tried to stick it to them. The union righted wrongs more than once. Yes there were times when they stuck up for someone who shoulda been cut loose but federal law says they have to defend every worker not just the ones they want to.  My best friend since childhood in N.Dak. started out after high school workin the oil patch up there makin more than me at the time. I was an apprentice mwt. and once I made Journeyman he got unemployed cause the oil patch dried up. He has held some good jobs since then but more than once has been let go so the bosses nephew could have a job, or the owners son. Didn't matter that they were dope smoking slackers. Blood is thicker than water and without a union you know who goes. I retired out of that plant almost 3 years ago and joined the millwrights union out here in Wa. I have to prove myself every day on the job or they don't call me again. I have no issue with that as I know I can outwork and dang sure know more than most of the young guys. The way the union works out here is they call who they know will work first and then go to the local and get the rest. I have never had to wait on a call from the local. Just the same I know what my rights are when I go out to a job. They can't work me a week and then change what they said they would pay. As far as the worker protections that the goverment has put in place, those are there because of unions not because those big companies. If you study a american history there is a long history of exploiting workers worldwide. That is what is happening by those same big corporations today. They just go where they can exploit people the cheapest. Mr Whitten you have your opinion and I have mine. I still admire you as a dogman but I gotts disagree on this subject.   

  lol don't worry outwest , i have some lifelong friends that are pro union and we go at it all the time but it never interfeard with our friendships . hell some-times we would get drunk and wrastle about it  lol

Many worker protections are there because of Ronald Reagan.

I've been a union plumber and now a signatory contractor for the last 11 years. It is what it is. What I find funny is I have friends that were trained by the unions in different trades and while they were working as journeymen man they were hardcore union. Filling grievances over 15 minute a overtime even when they showed up late etc. Now some of them have gone into business in their respective trades and not a one of them has signed a union contract. I ask them why not and every time they say " he'll I can't afford to pay those clowns that kind of money !!" but they were sure worth it. The truth is that the good ones will always have a job and be treated right and the others just ride the B.A and carry the working agreement in their pocket at all times.