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i have recently enjoyed the posts on dogos vrs pit bulls  but i am going to put my self out there by rubing up some of you traditionalist and pureists by saying  generally speeking dogos are big dumb and slow ,and pit bulls are even thicker short legged heat intolerent meat heads''' now that statement shoud get a few of yous riled up . now hear is my point while these breeds do the job look good on the back of your truck and is a great point of conversation to talk about there liniage back to i know joe blow that was the cousin of the original dude that breed them......but are they the ultimate pig preditor or do you not have the balls to add to the breed to improve it

I'm not much of a dogo myself.... but for the pits when you have a hog stopper that's out of prove stock no matter what blood line it has why would you try and breed something else to it when its already perfect

What I'm getting at is why try fixing it when it isn't broke?

I like that start... They (general) have been breeding dogs for years here and accross the pond. People see different dogs that have a quality that they like, and they try to breed it in. There are so many different versions of pit and dogo anyways. I saw a post on FB not too long ago that best explained it. It was 4 dogs, and it asked what "you" thought they were made of. I guess to make a point, and from the general publics perspective, stamped them all pit. Then they had a note under the pics that said dogs were DNA tested, and it listed the results. If I remember correctly two of the 4 didnt' have any pit at all in them! LOL! and the other two were only partial pit; and that may not be exactly right, but you get the jist of it. IMO the dog is what it is... either its got what it takes or it doesn't, and will either run to a bay and catch a hog or it won't. Another example... I was walking my Amerigo downtown at a city gathering, and made a bet with my wife about how many people would ask if she was pit. I nailed how many people would ask right on the head, and she was surprised. LOL! She is a cross and is 4th or 5th generation, so I'd say thats trying to figure out what's what... I guess my point is, unless you breed and have bred your own dogs and got them from an old dog man that has done the same as you and got them from someone that has kept track of the dog, you will never know what is really in that dog unless you were to DNA test it. So why worry about... Hunt them, breed what you like and is the best, and keep on keepin' on! LOL!  ;D I like how the Aussies are doing things, and there is one guy in particular named Rob. He has some jam up dogs!!! He breeds his own dogs and crosses what he sees fit. I think in this game, you either have what it takes or you don't... kinda like the dogs. You either know what you are doing cause you've listened and tried different crosses, or you don't. I am no expert, but I damn sure listen and try to learn as much as possible! And if there is one thing I've learned with as many people as I've hunted with is that if the dogs hunt and find/bay/catch hogs then hunt em hard! Who cares what it's made of so long as it works and gets the job done! I know some will disagree with me on this, but they either have "it" or they don't.

How many Dogos and Pitbulls have you been around... I would guess not very many based on the way you " generally speek" about them...

For us here more than 1/2 bulldog is too much....too slow...dumb and quick to fight....My cousin has a 1/2 english bull terrier bitch (x border collie X ridgeback??) and she's mighty handy on those big fellas but she is as sharp as a bowling ball.  Not sure what the fascination is with either pits or dogos...Plenty of crossbreds around that will do the same job with a lot less swearing and frustration.

Troy

who am i to say what is right or wrong  but my questioning was the fore and against the different breeds that are well established  and can you improve them because most of you seem to know there faults for the purpose you keep them or... are they like a mothers child to you ...perfect

back in the early 1980's and 90's most any pitbull from the pound would catch a pig the first time especially if it squealed...now there seems to be more culls and my belief is that at this day and time they are many generations removed from the ultimate culling process of those times back in the day...

No dog is percect, and I'll do whatever necessary to improve the best I have.

pigrig

LOL
 :o :o

None of my bulldogs (hate that outdated term 'pits') are slow, short, and certainly not fat heat intolerant meatheads. Nothing but classic old family strain bulldogs on this here yard. You must be thinkin about them 'American Bully' kinda dogs.  

I wouldn't give you a bucket full of bullnumber 2 for dogo!  As for my bulldog until he cant get the job done i ask him to do i won't change anything!

Big, dumb, & slow? I'm not sure what kind of dogos you have been around. Yes my dogos are big. But by no means are they dumb or slow. They may not be perfect but they get the job done. Ain't no use in trying to fix something that ain't broke

im likin this already >:D >:D

Pigrig what do you water your bulldogs down with?

Pigrig just out of curiosity, what makes you say dogos are dumb & slow?

Them dogos have a stride like a horse, then again they are as big as one...  ;D

people are always changing dogs up,breeding this and that into them my grandfather was a old school rooster man and pit man i have been around some of the best game bread pits in the world most were black,brindle,red,black and white,red and white.were in the heck did all these blue PURE BREAD PITS come from? i would bet that they would last about 30min against a game bread pit like a carver,or other old school bulldog.Really were did the blue pit come from?

I've just never heard someone who knows anything about a dogo call them slow. I'm a tad bit dumbfounded at the moment lol

Pigrig and ausie I really like the way yall do things.  Personally I look at it as most pits I have been around are broke not dumb but sure not fast and nimble. There are some out there but most are game bred and a pain in the rear end on aggressiveness.  I am trying to breed a better dog for me in my eyes my original cross is a pit/ridgeback.  From here I will see what my pups have and go from here.  They are 7 months old and my 2 males are coming on good my females not so much yet but think they will.  There are a few people doing crosses like I am trying but we are not the norm.  I look at aussie style dogs and say that is what I am breeding for right there.  I like dogos they are nice breed when they are good but there are a lot of problems with them (skin deaf sight etc). Also getting to be a lot of pet breeders in dogos that is not helping none.  Tcolt on here has a nice dogo right now I really like him.  I want dogs that can do it all find catch and hold maybe not by them selves but 2 to 3 out at a time.  I will breed till I get the dog I'm looking for.

I use "pits" as a general term... How outsiders view them. Blake's Jane and my Baus I label either as a bulldog which is still general, or I say what they really are American Pit Bull Terrier APBT, and gamey too boot! Lol! No offense just clarification. ;D

Am cheering you on PigRig LOL !  Two bits four bits six bits a dollar all for ole pig rig give him a holler yaaaaaaaa yip eeeeeeeee sic em .

I will definitely agree that I've seen some aggressive pits, and for that matter bulldogs in general... But Baus is not at all unless provoked... Period. I want that type of sense in a bulldog, that when it comes down to business it's time to hunt, and not fight. I've seen a better handle than I have on Baus on a dog not even half his age too, and that impressed the hell out of me. So there are differences that people breed for and that was my point. I honestly think PJ is going to make a better dog though. :-(



Lol you sure do like your Dogos huh? I'm just messing with you cause I like that passion, but that's cool. Lol! But I agree... PJ may be a cross, but she is fast as all get out! And has drive just as much as any dog on my yard. And she is thinking smart... She processes things and you can see it happen if you know your dogs. I don't have a pure bred dogo, but it's as close as I care to get cause I like where I'm headed now and I don't have a lot of money to throw down on a pure bred dogo! Lol! I like getting lines that are bred to work by people I trust and/or respect, and if that happened to be someone that had pure bred Dogos I'm sure I'd have one by now. Lol!

And Tex u trip me out! Lol! Good post pigrig! ;D

I'm a huge dogo fan. I do have a lot of Passion for the breed. They are very smart, I've sat back and watched our dogos figure stuff out and still till this day don't know how they did it. In the next few years I hope to start my own line & sell pups to hunters at a lower price.

dont think it realy maters what dogs im running for this post nor what i personally think of any of the breeds im asking your thoughts '

Oh come on!! That's like saying, "hey man, you know what....? Ah, never mind..." Lmao!

[they may not be perfect] errr what do you mean dodgegirl how can you or what woud you like to improve

Well let me go on and get in this thing.  I bred Bulldogs for close to 30 yrs and had great suscess with them world wide.  I agree there is a lot of fat slow bulldogs out there but at the same time there is some very athletic , tons of air , tons of heart kinda of bulldogs out there also .  Bulldogs do tend to run faster than most breeds but I suspect a lot of that is due to how people feed them and hunt them only once a week maybe some once twice a month .  You cannot expect a dog to be are stay in real condition like this therefore there is your heating up really quick.  Also there is different lines of bulldogs that are totally different than others .  Some lines are known for there wind , abuility and gameness then there are some that are known for there hard mouth , shorter wind and straight ahead style .  The regular ole hog hunter that dont know the differences in these lines has no ideal what he has are doesent have in a bulldog .  Also there is the scatter bred types of dogs out there and that most have that are some great dogs maybe but when breedng them there is just no telling which way the blood flows in there veins so it is impossiable to even begin to tell what kind of offspring they will throw , dogs with lungs , dogs with pure gameness , dogs with hard hard mouths what styles straight ahead chest dogs , backend dogs , ear dogs , leg dogs there is just no way to tell what is going to come out and therefore this is why you are seeing so much of noting these days when it comes to going to the pound and pickin you one up that will work are for that matter even a man that is breeding bull dogs that dont know these bloodlines and traits verses years ago you would go to the pound and pick you up a bulldog and most the time he would work out for you but now a days people are not breeding these family type dogs so you are getting a bunch of junk bred chit and the dog is performing just like his pedigree says JUNK !

Its just like breeding a great line of cur dogs that is known for this are that you know what you gonna get most the time if it is family type bred .  Other wise it is just like Rolling Dice  .

Its Pit Bull all the way for me I know what a good one is and have seen things most have not when it comes to bulldogs .

Correction

Bulldogs do tend to run HOTTER faster than most breeds

I wish they had more nose to them. We have 2 or 3 dogos that will pick up on a fresh track but thats it. I would like my dogos to be able to pick up on not so fresh tracks and stay with it.

cheers for the honesty dodgegirl this is what i was hopeing to come from the thread,so how do you intend to improve it

Well I haven't quiet come up with a way to improve it yet. But when I do I'll let ya know

jagd terrier lol

One very important factor to remember when talking about improving the dogo is this............The breed already exists of a handful of purebred dogs that were thrown in a blender to make it what it is. All this was only done in 1928 and theres no telling how long it took to get the line to start reproducing itself in a pure form. What im trying to get at is this breed is just an infant in the purebred world,hell the guy that started the breed hasnt been dead long enough yet for us to start messing with his concoction of ingredients. The closest i came to owning a dogo was a half dogo half pit and he did his job,nothing spectacular but not a pure dogo so i cant judge. I do know that dogo's are a banned breed in Australia ( and im sure that means new zealand also ? ) so to give you something to compare to pigrig,i would have to say the bull arab comes colosest. And the same question pops up,are hunters satisfied with the bull arab or would you add something to it to improve it???? Both are relatively young breeds made up of a handful of other base breeds and diluting or adding to them,to me,only takes away from what the original inventor was trying to achieve. On a personal note,i guess you could say that by my dog being half pit,he was shorter in stature therfore making it easier to cross under fences and thick brush,sure it made things more convenient for me,but did crossing out the dogo to a pit improve on his catching abilities any? I dont believe so,he didnt catch any harder or smarter than eiither a pure pit or pure dogo. Good tough question though pigrig,happy hunting mate!!

              x 2 a dogo has mor energy than any pit has ever had  8)

A bulldog's job here is to go to a bay and catch the hog. Adding anything to that is just watering it down... not improving it. ;)

AMEN!

Yet another reason that I could care less to own another one, I am glad however for the ones of you that own good ones that have a job and do it well, I've owned two and they both sucked BAD hence my dislike for them.  My 50lb bulldog will go to sleep on my 4wheeler until she hears the first bark then its balls to the wall........just don't see the use in a 100+ pound energized dog not sittin still and shuttin up...............which is exactly what I want my CATCHDOG to do. If I own another big white dog it will be an AB and i've got my eyes on a line I'd love to get one out of.........cough underdog coughcough  ;D ;D ;D ;D

 I think that lots of people dream of having the best. And what is the "best" could be debated for eternity. But..... I find lots of satisfaction in getting the job done with what you have. There is a whole lot to be said for technique and finesse.

 Kinda like, any cowboy can rope a bull with a stout horse and a new lariat. But Im more impressed with the cowboy who can get it done with a shetland pony and some hay string.  ;D  I guess Im just weird like that.  :D

Young man, how many dogos have you been around?

The best of anything is only in the eyes of the beholder, but could be considered substandard in the eyes of another. Wanting to improve what you hav is always nice, but like said before, why fix something that aint broken

a dogo or a pit ive owned both only have as much energy as you allow them to have, of you hunt either breed once a month  and chain the rest of the time they will have no bottom both dogs need exercise everyday a min of 30min i had two excellent dogos and the rest of my cds have been bulldogs i hate to say it but my bulldogs would wear the dogos out, those bulldogs will run ther hearts out for YOU they just wanna please you and if that means meeting there maker for any reason they will do it with out fear and love in there hearts, but im just done with both breeds, seems like everytime you get a good pit and have him a few years actually gets along with the other dogs you lose him and dogos r a down payment on a new house, that might hunt and might not ive never seen a pit that wouldnt catch, ive seen dogos better bay dogs than catch dogs, i do like dogos and i do like pits they both have there up and there down i think a pit has a more killer drive and are alot more eager to please, and i think that the dogos r hunters but not near the drive of a pit, just from the ones ive owned and hunted not saying all jmo how bout a DOGO, PIT, AIRDALE cross maybe a little blutick for some more WANT TO

NP man, NP. You know what I mean then  ;)

Yes ma'am I do... and I couldn't agree more! ;D

and I like this post cause I get where you are going Pigrig... but I think that the APBTs  ;) are some of the most drive no quit dogs I've ever seen on the ground, WHEN THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING... now not just any pit is going to get the job done, but with the right handle, training, and experience I think they're one of the best dogs for the job. Not only because of their pain tolerence, but like someone else said... they want to please their owners and won't quit even staring death in the face. I do not think a real APBT can be improved upon, but it can be changed to suit different styles of hunting. For instance some of these folks that like a good RCD, or just rough dogs. Cross a good bulldog to a strike dog and you may come up with some hog stopping suckers!!! or you may just end up with a bunch of torn up/dead dogs... IMO it's a roll of the dice until you do it over and over till you find what you are lookin' for; but then why do that when you can probably go find a dog that will work instead of bringin a bunch of puppies into the world that may not make the cut. JMO and to each his/her own.

Good hunting this weekend everyone!  ;D

*Some one is messing with me! LOL! ;D

The Dogo is far from perfect, but after studying many, many dogs, it is the platform I have chosen to base my catchdog breeding program on.  The physical presence of the Dogo controls a big hog and saves damage to my cur dogs, plain and simple.  Another advantage to the breed is a bred in hog dog instinct that has truly impressed me.... Just as I look for this trait in my cur dog pups, I see a similar separation with some Dogos vs other bull breeds... specific instinct bred in. 

Overall size is the issue I am working to address... I plan on crossing the Dogo with a very hard cur, maybe even a bulldog(found a new line of bulldog I actually like..), in the hope of bringing the size down to the 65-85# range... with the intention of improving athleticism in heavy cover.

..certainly a work in progress.... that might not work at all... but that is dogs

RyanTBH...I agree that the right pit bull is the most game or dead game dog there is pound for pound and they will tackle any game no matter the size or how dangerous...once they focus it is kill or be killed...and like Mike said...crossing a good pit bull is really watering down the bull dog but that could be a good thing depending on what is needed...

The pitbull and the line of mt.curs I had would produce a dog that would find a hog and catch it and no barking which was a fault because it was hard to pin point where the dog was if it was fighting a big boar...no bark no squeal...

              quiet a few dogos an alot of pits and the dogos were ALOT better than the pits

In what specific ways did you find them better?

             well i like joking around on the subject       

               but how i find them better is my dogo has more anergy than my pit my dogo is stronger  faster holds and handels big hogs better

Isnt your "Dogo" crossed with a pit?

              3/4 dogo and 1/4 PITT

Its funny you give all the credit to the dogo side of your cross when its obvious the 1/4 pit is out shinning it!

lol kinda my point.

My goodness yall, enough already. I can't stand the silliness anymore when it comes to the "mystery" aspect of dogos!!!!!!!

You do realize they are nothing more than a south American bulldog that some fellas made up a nice
Backstory on and sold lots of pups!!!
Just like Blue pits, its was just somebodies preference and they devoted lots of time to them and peddled them. They ain't no different then just another strain of bulldog.


Please, someone please please pretty please explain how you take ten extremely different breeds of dog and mix em all together an come out with a white american bulldog, in such a short
Amount of time and don't end up with shaggy, or total reverses or dogs with boxer face or all the other various dominant traits that got buried majicly?!?!?!?

They are just a south American bulldog.

I was thinking about crossing a white american bulldog with a harlequin great dane and then selling the white pups as Dogos and the spotted ones as dogo pit bull crosses...JK...  ??? ;D

Oooooo-wee, lol. This thread just goes in circles!

Bottom line, a good dogo is worth it's weight in gold.

People say they want it to have a better nose, but they won't put them on the ground. They say they don't catch but only judge it off the few or one they saw.
When your dogo is over a mile away and caught on something by itself, your gonna $hit your pants.

Biggest problems i noticed - slow maturing, size and weight ( if your on foot, they get too far ahead of you, and if you use a wheeler, your loaded up with one dogo and one cur dog ), inconsistant as far as drive, ability, and the want to hunt.
Any dog you choose will be held to high standards, doesn't matter what breed

Pigrig, I'm not sure what dogos you hunted with or where they came from but they are not the dogos I have nor that I have seen. These dogs are big in comparison to most hog dogs. They develop and mature slower. My alpha male absolutely smashed the first hog he ever saw, the instant he saw it, his first time in the bay pin. His first real hunt he separated from the curs, i was irritated but within minutes he found and caught his first hog. This same dog has jumped a 6' privacy fence and runs 4 miles a day when he is not hunted, on the tread mill without any harnesses, etc... This may not be your style of dog but the dogo is not big, dumb or slow. He is now 1.5 years old!

I think alot of it has to do with how each individual conditions their dogs too. If someone isn't conditioning a dog the way it needs to be, the dog is never going to perform to it's fullest potential. That same dog could be in someone elses hands and be an amazing performer. This goes for any breed of dog. I've seen this scenario with my own eyes. I've also seen dogs that just flat out don't work well for one individual, but will work GREAT for someone else.

I agree, our dogos have to have a lot of exercise. We have a spring pole and we run them.

well actually i did not have an opinion on the two breeds i was having a dam good wind up to prove a couple of points to my self. point one a purist thinks the sun shines from his dogs .....point two a purist likes to find faults in other breeds .point three even if a purist knows of a fault {for the main purpose of why they intend to keep it} of the breed they have ,they get a good ol dose of love blindness .point four a purist will not want to actually change the way they do things but would prefer to work with what they have.

give me the opposite word and definition of purist...  ???

x2....seems to me the above description would go towards describing someone who is kennel blind or breed blind...

              well i hate to burst yalls bubble but the pit does not out shin the dogo