EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Aw man its just  human nature to bitch and its my right your right and if you dont like it dont read it and move on just like I do about a lot of things I see and read.  You know what gets me is the voting system in this country.  Romney won the popular vote by a landslide from what I hear but lost the other way .  I must ask if I live in a majority Democratic state whats the use of me voting for a Rep ?  My vote does not count its just throwed in the trash because I am out numbered in my state but on the other hand and in the overall picture  in my country it would seem to count a lot in the overall pic so what the hell man isn't this what this is all about what the voters want and say .  Same goes for the other way around if I live in a majority Republican state and I want to vote for a Democrat again my vote is just throwed in the trash and does not count in that state but on the other hand and in the overall picture it would have counted a lot and a new man would have been elected.

I have never understood this way of voting .  Thats messed up man .

 
Agreed on all counts.


You are correct that the Electoral College system is unnecessary and can lead to predetermined results.  In Texas, Romney was clearly going to win so whether you supported Romney or Obama  ...  it didn't really matter.  The EC may have made sense 200+ years ago when transportation and communication were a problem  ...  but it doesn't today and is antiquated.

The EC leads to campaigning in  only a few "swing" states instead of the nation.  I wish they would change that.

However, you are wrong about Romney winning the popular vote, much less by a landslide.  With 99% of the votes counted, Obama has 60,663,000 votes (50%) to Romneys 57,822,000 (48%).  I think the only time a candidate won the popular vote but lost the EC was in 2000.  Bush had 50,450,000 (47.8%) and Gore had 51,000,000 (48.3%).

Mr. Jimmy, we r no longer a democravy, we r a dictatoship now. The whole voting ststem is corrupt

While the U.S. is considered a democracy, our voting structure is not.  Our voting structure is the republic form.

I am curious as to why you feel that our voting system is corrupt.

You answered ur own question rl in ur previous post. Pls refer to above post

Charles.  Our founding fathers established the EC system.  While I think it is no longer necessary or appropriate, I do not consider it "corrupt"  ...  do you? 

Further, only one time in our history has the EC yielded a different result than the popular vote  ...  and that was in 2000, not 2012.

I dont care who founded it or how long ago, if its useless now. Yes i find it corrupt, if it didnt, i wouldnt have said it.

Charles, have you not argued in the past that we are failing to follow the constitution?  The EC was created at the Constitutional Convention by our founders AND are a part of our constitution.  Article II, Section 1 of the constitution requires that we elect the president by use of the EC. 

Since the EC system and the popular vote yielded the exact same winner  ...  and every registered voter in the U.S. was allowed to vote  ...  why do you believe we are a dictatorship and not a democracy?  Tell us how the system of voting should be, in your view, so that it is a democracy.

I believe our country is now a plutocracy (run by a few select number of people). What has caused this is a bill Obama passed that allow corperations to be considered individuals when it comes to campaign donations. It is now legal for corporations to donate any amount of money to an individuals campaign. If companies x,y,z donated $X to ones campaign, who do you think that person is going to listen to, the people or the corporations?

Just to give y'all an idea of what kind of money is in control, over 1.6 billion dollars was spent on campaigning alone. Obama $852.9 Million, Romney $752.3 Million, and where has all that money gotten us? Back in the same number 2 hole we have been in the past four years. Think of all the people who want or need handouts, how many of those people who actually NEED them could have helped back on their feet with that money? In my opinion, that is absolutely bull number 2.

Am I surprised obama got elected? No, too many people want handouts and think the government should control their well being. I believe our country will be bank rupt within the next three years, the value of the dollar will be number 2, and all those government handouts will be worthless. I also believe it will take another great depression to get this country back on the track it needs to be.

The bulk of your statement is your opinion and I am fine with it.  This however is inaccurate.  Obama did NOT pass a bill that allowed corporations to donate unlimited amounts to campaigns.

In 2010, the Supreme Court in a case called Citizens United vs. FEC, ruled that the First Amendment prohibited the government from restricting independent political expenditures by corporations and unions.  This was a 5-4 vote and the 5 voting for it were the conservative justices.

Citizens United in a conservative non-profit that wanted to air a movie on TV in 2004 that was negative to Hillary Clinton.  The FEC stopped them.  They litigated it and the SC ruled in 2010.

IMO, Citizens United did have a detrimental effect on this election.

BTW, it is illegal in Texas for a corporation to make a donation to a political candidate  ...  and is not done.

Well I do believe this country is headed for hard hard hard times lots worse than what we been threw the last four years.  I also think they dropped the ball on all the bail outs that was noting but the rich helping the rich .  Now all the money is gone and the credit is burnt up and in the red so there is no more money and there is no more credit .  There one time chance to get this country back right when they still had a little money and credit is long gone down the tubes .    The rich got bailed out by their political Buddy's the rich are still rich are richer and the middle class is now in the poor category and the poor at that time is now below poor . 

Obama and his teammates screwed up big time because you cannot fix a cracked crumbling foundation from the top are "roof" down it has to be fixed from the bottom up you start at the foundation which is the backbone of this country which is  the workers and  the poor the middle class this is were the jobs are and when you fix that the rich still are rich the middle class is doing well and the poor have a lot more than they had .

But no they blew all the money bailing out the rich and the super rich and we have gone no were but these people are still rich and the Poor need more than prayers now the middle class is failing and what ever me and you are , are bitching gripping and going no were but down when all of this comes together and this country goes completely bankrupt and a full blown depression is in storuntiltill this happens tcountrytnry is going no were .  Its gonna have to all be blown down and rebuilt from the bottom up !

Good luck !

Since our constitution is was written with State sovereignty in mind...why not one state one vote when it comes to the presidency?

Because a vote in a low populous state would carry more weight than one in a heavily populated one.  Texas is the 2nd most populous state with over 25 million.  Wyoming has the lowest population with 568,000.  Vermont has 630,000.

Would it be fair for a voter in Wyoming to have more influence in the presidential race than a voter in Texas?

Its not all bad, think about it. Obama will probably be in the history books for re Uniting the states, Americans. But only to spite him. Its a pretty sad day really when the leader of this country is elected a second time, not based on merit, ethics, values, morals, past contribution to society, or with any real qualifications to run or manage anything. But through strategic campaign, attemting to disqualify his opposition,  being the supposed " Lesser of two evils".It is tragic for sure, but who got us here......you did, i did. Its as old as the hills but true, United we stand, divided we fall!!!  Goverment should not have control of commerce, health care, marriage right, personal choices which in no way harm or indanger or deprive any but ourselfs. The best thing for government to do iscover their eyes, take back seat for a bit.....this country has the tools, history and enough pride in county left to fix itself. I know, i know, all you smart people will say its not that simple. I ask why not, example: health insurance for me my wife and two little boys cost me $5-800 per month through employer. Lets  say we see a doctor for some reason once every month= $60 visit plus $10 prescription, total $70each month,  which seems more logical? We spend +/- $400  month just in groceries......thats what i need insurance on. LOL  Enough of my ramble, the facts are that no one person can fix this, regardless of party affiliation, color, gender and so on.

 RL, why do i have to argue about failing to follow the constitution? it falls on deaf ears most of the time or gets carried away. There is no more constitution anyways and not enough true redblooded americans to bring it back by above and beyond means. as corey said, united we stand, divided we fall. we have divided this country in so many ways, that the only unity is in small groups who still still believe in the constitution and what it really stands for are out populated by those groups who want a free handout, want to twist the constitution and play samantics with it and interprit its definition to read/say what they want it to, even if their definition contridicts its original meaning. i will still die for the original reading and meaning of the constitution, im not the only 1, but there is not enuf of us to do squat. its like p-ing on a raging forest fire, and adds fuel for those who want to manipulate our rights to suit their expectations and achievments.

There is no doubt it is a changing country by the minute.  All I can say is Obama is the president and even tho I don't support much of anything he does should nut cutting come to nut cutting with someone trying to do harm to our people are our country I will stand with him. 

I am just sick of all the corrupt BS in governmentnt and the regular Ole Joe having to pay the price for all of it .

I do believe there is a lot of things going in this country inside and out to try and divide our people and our country which is the worst thing that will ever happen it will tear the country apart and make it weak so everybody better keep there eyes open and use the common sense the good Lord gave you.

 mr jimmy i am, my 1000rds of ammo just came in today, im gonna order another 1000rds in a couple wks and keep goin till all my planned weapons have pleanty of food to spit out.

So, then the residents of wyoming, montana, the dakotas, etc. would be/are disenfranchised in our current system. When all you need to do to win the presidency is win 11 states there's plenty of voters/states that have absolutely zero impact on who becomes president.

Scott, the best solution would be to make it based on popular vote.  Think about it, every other political office in the country is determined by popular vote of the people they represent.  Senators, congressmen, governors, state legislators, local legislators, etc.

Well I am in Louisiana and we have parishes... That being said my parish has been called outlaws, low life's, meth-heads, rednecks, and racist... Whether any of the before mentioned are right or not, our parish voted 86% Romney and 14% Oh-bummer. I think "smart" should be added to the list of insults.

Agree 100%

I didn't vote for him!
He is our president so I am going to pray for the best..
Hope I like him more over the next 4 years than I do now!