EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

what are some of the main east texas red or yellow or brindle cur lines? current and old lines?

I know of jerry curtis line(old)
tyler windums dogs (new)
ray mod. (old)
rex womacks(old)...

just trying to figure out what is some of the best and whats all out there?

Richard Brooks

I never heard of these bloodlines...if you have pictures and/or descriptions on how they look and hunt it would be nice if you all would post that...

Curtis Spivey

Albert Wayne and Richard Davidson.

McMullin boys in Apple Springs. Belive the old man was Bennet Ray

Alot of the Havard's and Lowery's have kept lines of each throught the years.

Butch Arnold in Crockett. Think he is out on his line. 

Feller in Pollok area last name Lee I believe kept Yeller dogs for years. Somebody on here will know him.

Jr. Gossit and his boys out of Diboll have been around for a minute and know what a Yeller dog is made of along with having some good examples.

Poulands in Diboll have had some gooduns but believe they typically ran crosses.

Another feller in Pollok area kept red curs for awhile that were supposed to be top knotch. He was a professional roper if memory serves. Would know his name if someone called it.

Bunches more but mostly just smaller pockets of dogs kept for less than a decade.

Winfrey dogs out of Coldsprings, which had a big influence on the Woodruff and Hutto dogs.
Thornton
Shives
Taylor
Ashcraft
Most of the modern lines in this part of the world will go back to one or more of the lines here and the ones Yellowblackmask mentioned.

Jude Hart

Is that the same Hutto that sells the show goats?

Lewis Ross kept Yeller dogs east of us.

Preacher Ray out of Zavalla kept a line of brindles for years. Last ones I saw were in mid 90's dont know who kept his line if anyone.

Murdocks out of Nac County kept some Yellers and Brindles that were cobb rough. Believe Howdy is only one that has anything left.

Cook boys in Etoile had everything under the sun. Lots of cur/ridgeback crosses. Had A Yeller dog called blue collar that was rediculously good bout fifteen years back. Believe Darron has some offspring still over their.

Well the ones I know in the liberty county area
Taylor
Skinny Campbell (real rough line)
Hart ( out of the batson area)

There's a few more just can't remember the names  ???

Everyone has had they're own line around here. Just depends on what you are looking for.

well the ones i know of is

Rex womack: he orginally started with some brindle dogs but he got low on them and got a gyp from curtis spivey and that where the yellow came in the gyps name was spanky and she sired his king dog. most of his dogs are cattle dog but one in perticualr went striaght hogs and was too rough for cattle his son owns him and he acts just like his daddy king... the yellow dog that im talking about is named luke. rex calls him king bc he looks and acts just like his daddy.. rex also has the brindle dogs that started with rufus who he got from joe allen hooks male dog and a brindle gyp... he started crossing the brindle with the yellow and got alot of yellow pups right now he has a gyp called lady who is out of his brindle dog jumper. lady is double bred rufus...  rexs line tyically get alittle rough on hogs but he trys to keep them light on the roughness due to working people cattle for the county and doesnt want them to catch unless they really just have to on a rank cow.... his dog has lots of bottem and hardly any quit. they are usaully medium to long range

And I really dont know much about rays dog not enough to post i just know he has some good stock they arnt really rough but the mainly just back up and bay....

from what i understand that alot of people havetold me is that most of the yellows owned by people in huntington/ zavalla area go way back to a guy in zavalla. I really want to know who it is!

YBM are you talking about randy nerren? i know he has some mt. curs that are top notch squirrel dogs.. I think he might have at one time had some reds up there in pollock but not 100% sure on it

No the guy from Pollok I was trying to remember that kept red curs was Brad Hamilton. 

The most common Yellers round here when I began was from Curtis's line that he bred back and forth with the Lowery brothers and couple other older gentleman. I know at one time Rex and two of his brothers Timbo and Rodger kept Spivey dogs as well and even have a tad in my dogs.

Ray carries alot of Shive and Thornton blood in his dogs to my limited knowledge. Sure he or his daughter can give you alot better breakdown. 

No the guy from Pollok I was trying to remember that kept red curs was Brad Hamilton.
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X2 on Brad he has some fine dogs

I talked to ray and he said the dam n sire to beans is out of shive and Thornton lines

Lauren, the guy in Zavalla was probably Corbet Pouland and most of his dog had Curtis Spivey blood in them. He borrowed dogs from Curtis to breed several times........

Or Red Marshall.  Forgot about him down there.

Only he died years ago and don' t have a clue who kept any blood he had.

from what i understand that alot of people havetold me is that most of the yellows owned by people in huntington/ zavalla area go way back to a guy in zavalla. I really want to know who it is!
 
 
 
It May be T.C. Polland !

Ok sounds good...

Yeller were you from?

lauren most of tylers dogs go back to ours like moses and that crop out cur dog some of jerrys dogs go back to ours like he had edge he was outlaws brother which was a pup out of gus

JUDE HART is what my dogs r didnt think any body would have heard of them tho

You got any pictures of your heart breed dogs I would like to see them.

yea but i would have to e-mail to ya i dont have photo buck set up

I'm a Native Texan But I live in Burr Ferry,La.  I've gotta few dogs from Ray and I used to hunt alot with D.J. and Dane when Bisquit was a  young dog ! ask D.J. about  Me (Matt Irvin ) We're pretty good friends !   

Ill ask him.

I just bred that gyp out of rays dogs to biscuit which will be both of there first pups

You are correct Matt.  Like Lamar stated earlier. TC and Corbet are the same gentleman. Had a long talk with several guys today that were in on alot of those breedings. Mostly on the south end were TC, Red Marshall and Gaylon Havard.

Huntington were Curtis, Lowery brothers, Harold Moore. From my understanding the dogs went back and forth between the jest of these gentlemen regularly during those timeframes. Several more that played roles in it but not up to date on most of them.

Over east toward the border were the Ross dogs and a feller supposedly named Lowe around the Hemphill area.  Believe they called them scrapping valley dogs if not mistaken.  Dont have alot of info but heard they were solid and hard to get.

Your talkin about Roy Lowe in Scrappin Valley !

Could be Matt.  You have any further info on them?  I have very little and may be referencing a pocket of them in Sabine County.

Not much..other thab a few articles and from lavon davis...I am not really into the yellow dogs...  ;D

I  kinda know Roy him and my uncle go way back . But  last time I talked to him was close to 2 years ago  we were logging across the road from each other. He said most of his dogs come red now days ! I knew a fellow that got a pup from him years ago just  to let it be a free ranging yard dog and it would always come home cut ! He was a picture of what yeller dog aughta look like !

I'm pretty sure that Lavon's Whitey dog came from Mike Marshall !

Bet if I held one down...bobbed his tail and made him climb mountains you would.    :laugh: Hahahahaha

I dont know if Lewis and Lowe swapped dogs back n forth years ago or what. I have just always heard the names coupled together for some reason.

If your uncle knows him...see if you could get a more stable breakdown on them.  I have an invite to breed to a one sided scrappin valley dog and other side is heavy back to old blood from round here. Has my attention
.but want my homework done before committing.

Do any of you guys from the Diboll/Wells area know of a guy named  Bernice Lowe? He passed away a few years back, but he use to watch over a hunting club i use to visit every now and then. He had his own line of curs, that were pretty impressive. I caught my first hogs behind his dogs. Just curious if any of you guys had any ties with him or his dogs.

Whitey was one dog lavon talked about as being one of the best he had....if it came from mike marshall then it had to be one of those that had english bird dog.... when I hunted with mike he usually used other peoples dogs for hogs and not his cow dogs...


Lavon also had a bad to the bone red bmc I will write about later...right now I am in a deer stand and don't like typing on the phone...

That dog I am talking about that lavon had was named NUGGET...he was s red bmc about the right sized dog for working all day...he was a very good looking dog with a deep chop mouth that could be heard a long ways...fast on track and a hog about couldn't run when he bayed one...when he located a hot track he opened about 3 times and then shut up...next time you heard him he was bayed up...you could just about bet the hog couldn't run and had it's butt backed up to a stump or a thick bush...he would be baying solid...nose to nose...

I thought you liked Tx Smoke dogs

 Yea Mike told me Whitey had bird dog in him ! LOL

 Texas Smoke is that the line of dogs that have english hound in them ?  rolleyes LOL

Bird dog.....English......Mt. Cur.........AHHHHHHHH.....I am gonna go and stick my head in some sand for awhile ...let me know when its over.   :laugh:

 ;D

One thing about Ole Smoke.....He was East Tx Bred lol

Don't know if it was english or walker....but those mtn curs could hunt with the best....and you didn't need a bull dog....but back then we had a few pied in the first few litters...that is why I say...a little hound never hurts....I might get shot for saying it but if its a good yeller dog is cause someone made a trip behind the woodpile with there best yeller...and a generation or two later....they throw true...no pied's... dang....I think I said it without really sayin it...  :o ???

Back in the day there was another famous dog in the mt. Cur breed named Busher Sam....he won it all and it was admitted later that he had plott in him...lots of folks still like to say that there dogs have busher blood...

just one time with the right hound....and selecting the best pups from there is key....that way folks will have something to talk about...

Yes I do...but joe manning passed on...last I heard he had moved to new mexico to hunt bear...hog...and mt lion with his dogs...a hunting guide from around there hunted those dogs along with his hounds....

Way back...the first time I hunted with mike he had two yellow dogs that hunted pretty hard...later he told be he crossed english point and these pups were from that cross..he said that was the huntingest pointer he ever saw that it didn't matter if it was 110 degrees he hunted the same all day...I reckon if you add snother breed it needs to be of the best...

There wasnt no mt cur n Smoke

Greg Murdock started back hunting hard two or three years ago.  He has one of the nicest three year old dogs going in this area.  Half of those Murdock dogs come black and tan and half come yellow.  His three year old has some eight month old pups on the ground that are doing really good.

I would like to hear a little more about those yella dogs from the applesprings area.

The jest of them came from Bennet Ray McMullin.  Most of the founding Davidson bred dogs were from him as well.
A friend of mine just got this dog off him week ago. Says he still has one or two old dogs over there from his original stuff. He doesn't work hogs just cattle. I am supposed to make a round over to see him in the next month or so and let him fill me in on where all his start came from. I have two crosses in my dogs one twenty two years ago and a second around twelve years that go back to some of his dogs....so I am very interested to pick his brain. 

Here is Bennet Ray with the young dog that ironhead21 picked up from him the other day....and no.....we were assured that the lil rear snuffer wasn't part of the breeding program. LOL

(http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h450/YELLOWBLACKMASK/1051099348_photobucket_279635_.jpg)

Hadnt seen Bennett Ray n a while didnt realize he had so much gray.

Yea Lamar said he still has some old stuff running around still. Need to swing over there with us when we make a round to holler at him. Your Belle gyp has a shot of his dogs from way back as well.  Perty sure it would be an interesting time with great info.

Anyone have any of the dogs out of the Thornton line?
& are y'all by chance talking about C.B. Thorton?

Have a dab of blood that goes back to Otto Thortons dogs.

7mhunter has good bit of Thorton blood in their dogs and her dad has alot more knowledge and info than I do on them.

Ok... Thnx. I was just wondering bc he was my wife's grandpa and had some jam up yella dogs. May not even be the same line. Since he's passed the family has done away with the dogs. I figured it would be worth the research. I had a great deal of respect for him and wouldn't bother me a bit have a dog with his breeding in it, or least know that it's still going.

that is what some said...but...he was a very good dog and his pups had a ton of grit and hunted at a high lope...

Bennet Ray told me the other day that CB Thorton use to get a few dogs from him.

Hey fellas, there was a man around Rusk about fifteen years ago named Kevin Blackwell that had good yella dogs.  Was wondering if anyone knew where he got his start of dogs from?

The old man that I got my harley gyp from said she came from an old man that stayed in the applesprings area. I just had my secound litter out of her. I bred her with my swag dog. He came out of bobbyb's blade x petra cross. She had 9 pups 4 came out yella with light black masks. And 3 came out black trimmed in yella. Some of you fellas call them reveresed curs. The runt of the litter is charcoal gray kinda blue looking. She is slowly getting some yeall in her face and on her front legs. Kinda odd but I was assured she would turn yella. Said the cross was throwen some old school traits.

If I was a betting man.....your probably looking at the feller above who's dogs they are out of...either directly it indirectly.  Very solid line of Thicket dogs if it's off his older stuff.

yellowblackmask you might know the answer to this question, who's stock is that 14 year old dog in zavalla that everyone calls "old man" out of?

Nah bud...sure dont. Not without a lil more info.

I might be able to find out, I live right down the road from him. And hi son lives close to my folks house. Ill see if I can find out in the next week or so. There's a few ol school guys around rusk that have amazing dogs but they just stick to them selves and don't broadcast about it. But I do know that when they sale a strike dog most of the time it's never for less then 3000$ a piece. Most of them don't even have a computer and prolly ain't had a cell phone but for a few years lol. But they know hog dogs and can breed em perfect!!

Thanks a lot Irondog.

Hey coady I'm not positive but I'm pretty sure this is his number (903) 795-3745   
I doubt he would mind answering a few questions about hog dogs:) if the man ur talking about is around 55 years old this is him. Hope this helps bud.

I think that would be him.  I'm going to give him a call.  I sure do appreciate it!

No problem bud

Why is this east texas bloodline tread only talkin about them mangy ole yellers again?

This is an east texas cur dog(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/23/bu7u4una.jpg)

Some of these lines aren't just yellas. 7M has other breeds I know for a fact. That's a good looking dog to by the way. Some people ju like yellas and some settle for what ever hunts the best. (Which also has a higher chance of being a yella) lol >:D

How does that dog hunt Travis?

I will just say pretty good;) run one for longer than most and has really started turnin on lately.

is mr ross still raising dogs he use to come down and hunt w us everynow and then havent seen him in years

Dont honestly know. I saw an ad for pups in the local paper several years back. But haven't been over there in ten years plus.

And how is that fact?

Is this mr modisett? 

When I was on Facebook looking at some of the modisett dogs they were all sorts of colors. Ill have to check again but I'm pretty sure his kennel was 7m. I'm not trying to disrespect by no means. Just stating what I seen.

I've been told his curs also come brindle and occasionally saddle back.

i believe the 7m on here is his daughter irondog

I'm very sry! I just noticed where he said mnt curs on squirrels!! FOOT IN MOUTH!! I apologized for my lack of knowledge!

x2.
I just didn't read closely enough : ???  I had a good mnt cur hog dog and I didn't even think about the squirrel pics he had. But when I double checked it definately said only BMC on hogs. Mnt curs on squirrel. I apologize once again.
7m do u know an Erik modisett? We used to go on some hunts when we were little when my folks would go to central. Haven't talked to him in years, I thinks he's 25-26 with black hair. Our dads knew each other way back when.

We have several dogs but not all curs there not all used on hogs me and my dad was talkin bout it this mornin we have walkers that are coon dogs squirrel dogs feist all different kinds but no there not all hog dogs we have diff kinds of dogs for diff kinds of huntin if its hogs it has to be yella lol its fine we were jokin around about it but yes we have diff breeds yes we have half running walkers half curs but they can smoke a hog we actually just got in from huntin and just saw the post

Thank u for clearing it up for us all.

anytime lol

i thought ray only used pugs lol ;D

lol dont you us spotted dogs or the ones you find on the side of the road?

O ya definitely lol jk you know better than to think I'm runnin a spotted dog...if it ain't yeller it ain't a feller lol

Hey lane jus wanted to tell u jack an bandit are doing good ;D! They are just making puppy mistakes but found a few hogs already. They are catching on good and should be learning how to stop the runners soon. Oh an the female is doing good as well. She will run with my lead dog out to about 400 yards. An goes to a bay already! Thanks for the dogs bud!

I was wondering what bloodline they came from too. If u would happen to know..

aint that the truth ole mike dont need the spotted fever either lol

Jude Hart, The Carouthers , and I believe Marian Crow had a big influence on yella black mouth dogs in Hardin county.

 Any pics or further info on the Crow or Carouthers dogs in Hardin Cnty?

found some good reading on Mr. Jude Hart if anyone is interested

http://books.google.com/books?id=8DVmTgQ65gAC&pg=PA145&lpg=PA145&dq=jude+hart+cur+dogs&source=bl&ots=XVl6F_pE1k&sig=-cYFW4Ft7DZM0zb5Xu9tHt0bPUI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-xIOU8CbKeHx2wWR-oHADw&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=jude%20hart%20cur%20dogs&f=false

I have that book, It is a good read and I don't read that much.
What about the Benny Coward bloodline from Oakhurst Tx. I had a male dog from this line and have some pups on the ground crossed with Weatherford Ben. Big, long legged, deep chested and can run all day, and ruff as they come.