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Title: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: timdol23 on December 01, 2012, 01:50:17 am
I read they are bulldogs in spain that can track, run down and catch their hog?

(http://www.alano-espanol.pl/foto/nasze%20psy/calabria/alano_krowa-curro%20w%20pracy.jpg)

(http://www.alano-espanol.pl/foto/nasze%20psy/airon/airon_dzik01.jpg)

(http://www.alano-espanol.pl/foto/nasze%20psy/airon/airon_dzik02.jpg)

(http://www.alano-espanol.pl/foto/nasze%20psy/paco.jpg)(http://www.alano-espanol.pl/foto/nasze%20psy/alanosy%20z%20www-Paco%20i%20sfora.jpg)


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: SwampHunter on December 01, 2012, 08:15:36 am
Not trying to be rude but the 2 pic looks like that dog is baying , there prolly more of pack dogs an will catch when more of them get together not by there self jmo but I never seen one so Donno just going off some stuff on google


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: bignasty on December 01, 2012, 08:17:44 am
where can i get one? how much?


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: bignasty on December 01, 2012, 08:18:58 am
Not trying to be rude but the 2 pic looks like that dog is baying , there prolly more of pack dogs an will catch when more of them get together not by there self jmo but I never seen one so Donno just going off some stuff on google
i can see a fence in back groung and that dog aint got no collar on...lol


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: Reuben on December 01, 2012, 09:08:36 am
they look quite a bit like a boxer bull dog in those pics...I agree with SwampHunter...


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: halfbreed on December 01, 2012, 10:12:36 am
  this is what is wrong in america .  everybody want's to outsorce our work , ain't nothing wrong with a good ol american bred hunting dog . truth be known we ship our hunting dogs all over the world because they are better  bred and work better at what their bred for .


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: justincorbell on December 01, 2012, 10:25:18 am
OH MY, could it be..............the new dogo............. ;D ;D ;D ;D >:D >:D >:D


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: timdol23 on December 01, 2012, 10:50:21 am
I think those pics are in Spain........I agree those pics don't show much.

the only thing I've seen is a video on you tube it shows nothing either, but the odd thing is they have a crap load of dogs hunting ???? these dogs are suppossed to run together no dog aggression, and the hunt with these white  fuzzy greyhound things ????they seem to be walking around making a bunch of noise with twenty dogs????


click this link to watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6OPqkKDxvc&feature=endscreen&NR=1

look at this crazy hunt with them fuzzy white hounds, they hunt Stag, boar, and ram in a massive hunt, its long but the end is bizzarre how many they get


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz0_uovKhUU


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: timdol23 on December 01, 2012, 11:25:30 am
OH MY, could it be..............the new dogo............. ;D ;D ;D ;D >:D >:D >:D


I'm sorry if I sound ignorant , all I've ever been exposed to is Pits and curs of some sort.

Are Dogo's good hunting dogs?

aren't Dogos related to scott american bulldogs


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: justincorbell on December 01, 2012, 11:57:14 am
OH MY, could it be..............the new dogo............. ;D ;D ;D ;D >:D >:D >:D


I'm sorry if I sound ignorant , all I've ever been exposed to is Pits and curs of some sort.

Are Dogo's good hunting dogs?

aren't Dogos related to scott american bulldogs


you will get a different answer for every response to your question. Do a little searching on here and you will see how widely the opinion of the dogo varies. I myself have and most likely always will use a pittbull or american bulldog just out of personal preference. I do know that there are some on here that use and will vouch for the dogo. As with any breed there are positive and negatives to the dogo. I don't believe that the dogo has any relation to any american bulldog. 


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: chestonmcdowell on December 01, 2012, 03:01:44 pm
Dang that's a big hog. Lol I wouldnt want to be the Cd that'd have to catch that thing. I know you probly just want to know about there breed and there ups and downs. But a really good bred American bulldog or a pit can almost do any task Rcd or lead in or even a find dog.. Just pick a line. And is probly a lot cheaper.


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: johnf on December 01, 2012, 08:14:57 pm
Dang that's a big hog. Lol I wouldnt want to be the Cd that'd have to catch that thing. I know you probly just want to know about there breed and there ups and downs. But a really good bred American bulldog or a pit can almost do any task Rcd or lead in or even a find dog.. Just pick a line. And is probly a lot cheaper.
i agree thats a heck of a hog....i was more interested in the hog than the dog


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: NEGEORGIA-HOGHUNTER on March 07, 2017, 03:53:33 pm
This is an old thread, but I hunt hogs with Alanos. I run the Alanos with my Plotts. Extremely happy with them, going to Spain in May to bring two more.


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: NEGEORGIA-HOGHUNTER on March 07, 2017, 03:59:17 pm
If I could figure out how to post pictures I would.


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: T-Bob Parker on March 07, 2017, 04:17:54 pm
Give us a little backstory, how'd you get into alanos?


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: TheRednose on March 08, 2017, 10:15:26 am
Give us a little backstory, how'd you get into alanos?

X2

Also describe how they hunt for you and how you use them if you don't mind.

Can someone help this man post his pic's please!!!  :)


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: jpuckett on March 09, 2017, 08:21:33 am
Man those alano's looked really good and leggy. Probably really fast. I'm very interested in different hunting cultures. Pretty interesting that those guys hunted with like 15 dogs on the ground lol. Those dogs were leggy like dogos


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Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: jpuckett on March 09, 2017, 02:56:59 pm
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Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: NEGEORGIA-HOGHUNTER on March 09, 2017, 02:57:34 pm
Family is Spanish and I have wanted them in the states. Have several. [imghttp://(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y436/eddevelasco/Zarco_zpsnkcy32te.jpg) (http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/eddevelasco/media/Zarco_zpsnkcy32te.jpg.html)][/img]


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: jpuckett on March 09, 2017, 02:57:49 pm
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Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: jpuckett on March 09, 2017, 02:58:12 pm
Posted these for NeGeorgia Hoghunter :-)


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Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: NEGEORGIA-HOGHUNTER on March 09, 2017, 03:07:57 pm
The first 2 are 1 1/2 year old females. You can see the pictures of her catching the piglet at 5 weeks of age, then at 7 weeks of age. The two other catching are her litter-mates at 4 months of age. I have been hunting them with the Plotts since very early since I didn't want a lead in catch dog. They can run stride for stride for miles with my Plotts. Don't have a s good a nose as my Plotts maybe a 3 hour track. They hunt out about 400 - 600 yds, use their noses well and wind well are silent and catch and hold. Can run very long distances we have had them on the garmin as far as 9 miles stride for stride with a Plott. This will be the first year of hard hunting for the ones 1 1/2 years old. So far they look very promising. The breed is exactly what I want for smaller leases and with my Plotts. No dog aggression we kennel them together and they eat out of the same bowl. They bond and extremely loyal, can direct them with voice. Have not had to shock them yet. If these turn out as good as the ones my friends own and hunt in Spain, I will be very happy. I am friends with some old time breeders, very difficult to get one from them if one is not part of their circle of friends. I am going in May to bring 2 more 6 month old ones back. You can go to the web page of Vom Escorts Alanos, that is the line I am bringing.


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: Bowtech99 on March 09, 2017, 03:19:54 pm
Kinda looks like cross in boxer/apbt.

That's pretty cool. Thanks for sharing them photos, I like seeing what dogs other people use


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: NEGEORGIA-HOGHUNTER on March 09, 2017, 03:37:29 pm
[(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y436/eddevelasco/IMG-20160714-WA0020_zpsph1w3liy.jpg) (http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/eddevelasco/media/IMG-20160714-WA0020_zpsph1w3liy.jpg.html)][/img]


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: NEGEORGIA-HOGHUNTER on March 09, 2017, 03:41:03 pm
This breed is believed to have been around since 6th century.[flashhttp://(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y436/eddevelasco/th_VID-20161204-WA0000_zpslxko0z5u.mp4) (http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y436/eddevelasco/VID-20161204-WA0000_zpslxko0z5u.mp4)=200,200][/flash]


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: NEGEORGIA-HOGHUNTER on March 09, 2017, 03:42:56 pm
(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y436/eddevelasco/th_VID-20161204-WA0000_zpslxko0z5u.mp4) (http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y436/eddevelasco/VID-20161204-WA0000_zpslxko0z5u.mp4)


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: TheRednose on March 09, 2017, 04:17:17 pm
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Man those are some nice looking dogs.

Will they range out and do they use their nose or do they use sight more? Or are they more of a RCD?


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: TheRednose on March 09, 2017, 04:18:33 pm
^ Sorry nevermind, I did not see the second page where you already answered my questions.


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: T-Bob Parker on March 09, 2017, 07:13:35 pm
Great looking dogs, thanks for sharing your experiences


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: NEGEORGIA-HOGHUNTER on March 09, 2017, 09:26:29 pm
I will know more after this year if I have the stock I need. Like any breed, some are culls. Have to be very careful when getting Alanos as some other breeds were used by many individuals as they were trying to increase the numbers. There was a small pool of them in the mountains still being used on cattle that is the best blood. The best registry in Spain for the best Alanos is S.E.F.C.A. I am also a member of C.D.A.E. but some other stuff is in many of those dogs. Then you have the Vilano, which has Doberman. A lighter built dog, longer nose.


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: Bowtech99 on March 10, 2017, 07:46:44 am
Probably a dumb question, but what's that green thing around their necks, and all those numbers


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: Judge peel on March 10, 2017, 10:13:34 am
Cool dogs but I will stick with cuts and pits


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Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: NEGEORGIA-HOGHUNTER on March 10, 2017, 10:33:05 am
Probably a dumb question, but what's that green thing around their necks, and all those numbers

Not a dumb question lol. That is in Spain, it is their cut collar and the number is the phone number of the owner.


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: NEGEORGIA-HOGHUNTER on March 10, 2017, 10:43:52 am
Cool dogs but I will stick with cuts and pits

I like curs and pit very much, difficult to find anything that catches better than a pit. However, a good Alano will do the job of a good cur and pit in one dog. The Alanos that I like hunt out, have the nose to find their hogs, have the confirmation to run very long distances at the speeds of hounds to run down the European Wild Boars which in my opinion are much harder to hunt then many of the feral hogs, and they have the ability to catch and hold the boar. That is what I am looking for and that I have hunted with in Spain. If these that I brought over will do this then I will reduce the Plotts for hunting hogs and just use them on bear. If the Alanos that I have brought over don't do this then I will bring over older hunting dogs that are doing it from my friends and family. So far these pups and young Alanos have me very happy.
I don't need curs or pits, prefer Alanos and Plotts. [imghttp://(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y436/eddevelasco/IMG-20160131-WA0002_zpsyfvceui5.jpg) (http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/eddevelasco/media/IMG-20160131-WA0002_zpsyfvceui5.jpg.html)][/img]
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Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: NEGEORGIA-HOGHUNTER on March 10, 2017, 11:01:24 am
One of my Alanos at 4 weeks of age.[(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y436/eddevelasco/Bruma%204%20weeks%20old_zpsajt5rnrd.jpg) (http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/eddevelasco/media/Bruma%204%20weeks%20old_zpsajt5rnrd.jpg.html)][/img]


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: NEGEORGIA-HOGHUNTER on March 10, 2017, 11:10:31 am
They have been using Alanos in hunting Wild Boar in Spain since 1500's
[(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y436/eddevelasco/medieval%20hunting_zpsl8pzamla.jpg) (http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/eddevelasco/media/medieval%20hunting_zpsl8pzamla.jpg.html)][/img]


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: NEGEORGIA-HOGHUNTER on March 10, 2017, 11:12:34 am
Cool dogs but I will stick with cuts and pits


Love pits but can you kennel pits like this, 10 Alanos kept with 18 other dogs, no dog aggression? In Spain.
[(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y436/eddevelasco/Alanos%20Kennel%202_zps4fckvkvr.jpg) (http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/eddevelasco/media/Alanos%20Kennel%202_zps4fckvkvr.jpg.html)][/img]


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: NEGEORGIA-HOGHUNTER on March 10, 2017, 11:14:26 am
[(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y436/eddevelasco/Alanos%20Kennel_zpsuvs2tekr.jpg) (http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/eddevelasco/media/Alanos%20Kennel_zpsuvs2tekr.jpg.html)][/img]

Aggression on Wild Boars not on other members of the pack.
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Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: NEGEORGIA-HOGHUNTER on March 10, 2017, 11:19:15 am
Alanos excel on European Wild Boar. Don't see any pits in Wild Boar packs in Spain.
[(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y436/eddevelasco/Wild%20Boar%20Spain_zpsm7yj8opp.jpg) (http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/eddevelasco/media/Wild%20Boar%20Spain_zpsm7yj8opp.jpg.html)]
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[(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y436/eddevelasco/Tusks_zps3ituqzes.jpg) (http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/eddevelasco/media/Tusks_zps3ituqzes.jpg.html)][/img]

All caught using Alanos, no feral hogs here. These fight and run harder in my opinion than the feral hogs. Yes there are some extremely bad ass Feral hogs that are crossed up. I have run them in these mountains. However, in the general sense, the European Wild Boar is meaner.



Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: NEGEORGIA-HOGHUNTER on March 10, 2017, 11:29:30 am
These Alanos are for my personal use and for my hunting friends. A couple of us are bringing these dogs over because we love the way they perform and don't want to deal with the dog aggression or legislation in some areas concerning pits. I don't breed and sell my Plotts and I am not planning on selling these! This project is for my hunting pleasure. Fortunately, my dogs are a hobby, no need to try to promote them and make money. I am just sharing this information with fellow hunters and hounds-men who like to keep tabs on dogs that are used successfully on hogs. The Alanos are a top hog dog! Whether mine will be as good as my Plotts or as good as the ones that I have hunted with in Spain is yet to be seen. Very promising is all I will say at this point. I am pretty hard on what I call a good dog so for now I will say that I am liking them but far from being what I would call hog dogs. Hopefully in a few months I will be able to give a more accurate report. 


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: NEGEORGIA-HOGHUNTER on March 10, 2017, 11:34:20 am
I posted some hunting videos up top but I can't get them to play. I will make one more attempt.
[(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y436/eddevelasco/th_VID-20161204-WA0000_zpslxko0z5u.mp4) (http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y436/eddevelasco/VID-20161204-WA0000_zpslxko0z5u.mp4)][/img]


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: warrent423 on March 10, 2017, 11:34:49 am
What are them two white dogs in the back left corner of the yard pick.


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: Judge peel on March 10, 2017, 11:37:49 am
All that's cool. But I don't see the need for me to bring in a out of country dogs to do what a dog down the street will do. There are many breeds around the world that will do the job. I guess if that's what u like and love then more power to ya. But there are many guys hunting that can take two or 3 curs and catch any hog out there and most of the time the pit is just the nail in the coffin not the start. All the videos I have seen on them there are 20 dogs on the ground that's just over kill around here. Not saying they ain't good I just never seen anyone use 20 rough curs and 6 pits to catch a hog. What is the price of one of those dogs and shipping run just curious. These are not jabs at u ether just things I have seen


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Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: NEGEORGIA-HOGHUNTER on March 10, 2017, 01:12:31 pm
All that's cool. But I don't see the need for me to bring in a out of country dogs to do what a dog down the street will do. There are many breeds around the world that will do the job. I guess if that's what u like and love then more power to ya. But there are many guys hunting that can take two or 3 curs and catch any hog out there and most of the time the pit is just the nail in the coffin not the start. All the videos I have seen on them there are 20 dogs on the ground that's just over kill around here. Not saying they ain't good I just never seen anyone use 20 rough curs and 6 pits to catch a hog. What is the price of one of those dogs and shipping run just curious. These are not jabs at u ether just things I
Totally understand your point. These dogs have been in my family since the 1500's they came with us when members of my family came to settle the Spanish possessions in the New World. The ones we keep in Cuba were Alanos but with some out crosses probably closer to Dogo Cubano. Don't need any other dogs than my Plotts! Prefer them over curs & pits! Alanos costa lot of money, I am able to afford going overseas and bringing them when I want. Good thing is that we get to chose the breed that we like.


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: NEGEORGIA-HOGHUNTER on March 10, 2017, 01:18:07 pm
All that's cool. But I don't see the need for me to bring in a out of country dogs to do what a dog down the street will do. There are many breeds around link=topic=61380.msg556016#msg556016 date=1489167469]
All that's cool. But I don't see the need for me to bring in a out of country dogs to do what a dog down the street will do. There are many breeds around the world that will do the job. I guess if that's what u like and love then more power to ya. But there are many guys hunting that can take two or 3 curs and catch any hog out there and most of the time the pit is just the nail in the coffin not the start. All the videos I have seen on them there are 20 dogs on the ground that's just over kill around here. Not saying they ain't good I just never seen anyone use 20 rough curs and 6 pits to catch a hog. What is the price of one of those dogs and shipping run just curious. These are not jabs at u ether just things I have seen


By the way I don't use 20 dogs lol! I use 1 or 2 Plotts 1 Alano. Or 2 Alanos by themselves. I am sure there are good curs and pitts but I don't think that they would be very successful producing hogs in the mountains of NE Georgia,  Western North Carolina, and Eastern Tennessee.  There is a reason why you see predominately Plotts in those conditions. Do you have pits that yu think would be suitable for non feeder fed mountain Wild Bars?


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: NEGEORGIA-HOGHUNTER on March 10, 2017, 01:19:58 pm
All legit questions from you judge peel, no jabs were taken lol.


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: NEGEORGIA-HOGHUNTER on March 10, 2017, 01:30:29 pm
White dogs in the background are called Podencos. Medium nosed dog used for trailing. Many of the guysuse them to start tracks. When they bark Alanos run to them and run down the hog. Some are hunting with only Alanos.  Good friends of mine are using the Plotts with the Alanos in Spain the same way that I am doingit here.


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: NEGEORGIA-HOGHUNTER on March 10, 2017, 01:40:57 pm
Judge Peel, a well bred one should be around 500 euro if they will sell it. The best stock is usually only available to friends and family. Cost way to much to fly over in cargo, over $1000. I bring several on the fights with me for $200 per kennel and 2 can be in 1 kennel. For instance, in May I am taking 2 Plotts to Spain and I am bringing back 2 Alanos.  $200 per kennel makes it very cost effective.  But I agree with you, if it wasn't because of my family's history with Alanos, I would only run Plotts and stop plenty of bears and hogs. I think like the cur, the Alano will work very good on the smaller places that I have available to hunt. Alanos will also guard my place and great companion on the farm.


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: Judge peel on March 10, 2017, 01:50:54 pm
Gotcha. My family is from North Carolina. Mnt curs are there and work very good. Yes plots are good and bad like any other breed. I wouldn't say any one breed is better then the others. But a good dog will work any where. I don't know what 500 euro is but if it's 500 bucks not bad. Lot of guys pay that for cur blood. Far as pits I would say the average pit cd is better then all the other cd breed in the catching and dying on the job dedication. Now some other cd catch with a certain style and that's cool. But far as catch and hold tell taken off I would go with pit


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Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: NEGEORGIA-HOGHUNTER on March 10, 2017, 02:03:42 pm
Euro is about the same as dollars just a few cents higher. Many think that the BMC & Catahoula have descendents in them from the Alanos. Alanos were the war dogs of the Spanish. Desoto brought them when he march from Florida though Georgia South Carolina and on to Mississippi


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: warrent423 on March 10, 2017, 08:40:58 pm
Been living here in these SE Tennessee mountains for going on 13 years now. My Florida cur cowdogs have been fairly successful at keeping my freezers full of fresh pork. Extremely rough terrain and lots of Russian influence in these hogs, but still plenty "catchable", even for this flatland swamper ;)


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: Judge peel on March 11, 2017, 06:09:42 am
A pit will catch a hog In any terrain the pig is bayed in. He don't care bout anything other then his job. Dogs will surprise you. I am sure if I was to hunt with your Spanish dogs they would surprise me. And Joe blow from any where USA would surprise you. A good dog is a good dog no matter where you take him.


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Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: warrent423 on March 11, 2017, 09:15:07 am
They are good looking dogs though, and I too believe there blood to be in some of our cur dogs, especially the Leapard dogs. I hear they have a pretty strong herding instinct(head style) ;)


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: Amokabs on March 11, 2017, 04:18:16 pm
So when the Spanish were colonizing the new world, did the only population of alanos brought with them wind up in Cuba?  Were  none brought to the mainland?. I know Spanish explorefs brought hogs to Fla ,, seems they would ha e brought the alanos in larger numberz.


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: mike rogers on March 11, 2017, 09:50:06 pm
there were more than just the Alaunts. There were other types breeds. Guard dogs like the Spanish mastiff and herding dogs like the El Pastor Leones (Carea Leones) Types of greyhounds and a few others. Some real good history on Spanish and French during the conquest and settlements. Carea leones could be the link to a lot of leopard dogs in early America.  As they settled, colonized and built Missions across the gulf states and then moved inland they brought hogs, sheep, cattle and horses along with guard and herding dogs.  the Spanish really push across South America, Mexico toward California.  Some neat history about the Basque and the Basque shepherds and how they pushed 1000's of sheep from Texas to Oregon and Washington state. McNab  like the Basque shepherd so much it was crossed on to his collies to come up with the McNab Shepherd.  I think that was right at 1800 when that happened.  Old world dogs crossing with new world dogs and indian dogs made from some neat stuff out there...


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: decker on March 12, 2017, 09:45:51 pm
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I sure like the looks of the dog on the road, pretty interesting read.


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: Judge peel on March 12, 2017, 09:49:47 pm
Those are some good looking dogs


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Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: NEGEORGIA-HOGHUNTER on March 13, 2017, 08:21:59 am
So when the Spanish were colonizing the new world, did the only population of alanos brought with them wind up in Cuba?  Were  none brought to the mainland?. I know Spanish explorefs brought hogs to Fla ,, seems they would ha e brought the alanos in larger numberz.

They were brought to many of the areas that they landed in. Do some research, very easy to find on the internet.


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Post by: NEGEORGIA-HOGHUNTER on March 13, 2017, 08:25:22 am
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I sure like the looks of the dog on the road, pretty interesting read.

Decker, the one on the road is named Messi, it was bred to the 2 females in the picture together. All are very good hog dogs. The pups were just born so to young to bring one back on this trip. I am bringing 2 pups from the other dog that you only see his head.


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: NEGEORGIA-HOGHUNTER on March 13, 2017, 08:28:32 am
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I sure like the looks of the dog on the road, pretty interesting read.

Decker, the pups I am bringing on my next trip come from the dog on the left. I have a great video of the female that is laying down but it doesn't load. You can see how many attempts I made.

Decker, the one on the road is named Messi, it was bred to the 2 females in the picture together. All are very good hog dogs. The pups were just born so to young to bring one back on this trip. I am bringing 2 pups from the other dog that you only see his head.


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: NEGEORGIA-HOGHUNTER on March 13, 2017, 08:29:50 am
Been living here in these SE Tennessee mountains for going on 13 years now. My Florida cur cowdogs have been fairly successful at keeping my freezers full of fresh pork. Extremely rough terrain and lots of Russian influence in these hogs, but still plenty "catchable", even for this flatland swamper ;)

My partner had some outstanding Florida Curs over in the LaBell area. Hunted a lot with them.


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: NEGEORGIA-HOGHUNTER on March 13, 2017, 08:37:33 am
A pit will catch a hog In any terrain the pig is bayed in. He don't care bout anything other then his job. Dogs will surprise you. I am sure if I was to hunt with your Spanish dogs they would surprise me. And Joe blow from any where USA would surprise you. A good dog is a good dog no matter where you take him.


I would have to agree with you, a good dog is a good dog anywhere. The Plotts that we have sent to Spain are doing outstanding. And if all I wanted was a straight catch dog, I would go with a game bred pit or a Banddog from Robinson. My friend has a couple from Robinson that are sledgehammers on hogs. Seriously considering getting one when he breeds his. If I didn't have the Alanos, I would probably still have a couple of Florida curs with my Plotts for hogs. Florida curs that I have hunted with hunt more in style with the Alanos that I am trying to select. Even though we have great dogs here that can do the job, the Alanos to me have a historical connection, and I like them more than just for hunting. They are an extremely noble and old breed with a lot of history to them.



Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: bigo on March 13, 2017, 09:59:17 am
If you want to see how the Spanish dogs evolved in the Americas, google The Baldwin Project: Buccaneers of America by John Esquemeling. In the index click on The Island of Hispaniola. This is an eyewitness account written in 1666 by the author. It's a fact that some of the French from Hispaniola came to Louisiana the same time as the Acadians did. It would be hard for me to believe that they didn't bring dogs that had been a big part of their lives for a few generations. The same thing happened in Cuba and it's a documented fact the Cuban dogs were brought to Florida to hunt Indians. They were also used at prison camps during the civil war and by slave hunters.


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: Amokabs on March 13, 2017, 05:30:50 pm
I am researching by asking someone posting  and starting a thread with knowledge of an interesting breed . II'm curious , since they  came with the settlers, where are the purebred examples of the breed here in the new world?  Were the pure lines diluted over time? I suspect thats what happened.


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: warrent423 on March 13, 2017, 07:39:17 pm
Been living here in these SE Tennessee mountains for going on 13 years now. My Florida cur cowdogs have been fairly successful at keeping my freezers full of fresh pork. Extremely rough terrain and lots of Russian influence in these hogs, but still plenty "catchable", even for this flatland swamper ;)

My partner had some outstanding Florida Curs over in the LaBell area. Hunted a lot with them.
Half my kin are from and still in Highlands county. You from down there or from Georgia.


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: NEGEORGIA-HOGHUNTER on March 13, 2017, 08:01:47 pm
I am researching by asking someone posting  and starting a thread with knowledge of an interesting breed . II'm curious , since they  came with the settlers, where are the purebred examples of the breed here in the new world?  Were the pure lines diluted over time? I suspect thats what happened.
As we communicate I am reading the latest book published in Spain regarding the history of the Alanos and the project that began in 1980 to find the best stock that was still in Spain and save the breed. Since the project began with hunter breeders the breed has made a very good come back. The purest stock is registered with S.E.F.C.A.  You will find many Alanos that have been crossed with other breeds in the other registries. Extremely difficult to obtain S.E.F.C.A Alanos to take out of the country. I have to promise to abide by their rules and breed according to their beliefs. I also have to make breeding stock available to go back as they increase breeding of only the best stock.


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: NEGEORGIA-HOGHUNTER on March 13, 2017, 08:03:52 pm
Been living here in these SE Tennessee mountains for going on 13 years now. My Florida cur cowdogs have been fairly successful at keeping my freezers full of fresh pork. Extremely rough terrain and lots of Russian influence in these hogs, but still plenty "catchable", even for this flatland swamper ;)

My partner had some outstanding Florida Curs over in the LaBell area. Hunted a lot with them.
Half my kin are from and still in Highlands county. You from down there or from Georgia.
I am also a flatland Swamper, grew up hunting in the Big Cypress Swamp and Avon Park Bombing Range in your neck of the woods.


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: NEGEORGIA-HOGHUNTER on March 13, 2017, 08:12:52 pm
Been living here in these SE Tennessee mountains for going on 13 years now. My Florida cur cowdogs have been fairly successful at keeping my freezers full of fresh pork. Extremely rough terrain and lots of Russian influence in these hogs, but still plenty "catchable", even for this flatland swamper ;)

My partner had some outstanding Florida Curs over in the LaBell area. Hunted a lot with them.
Half my kin are from and still in Highlands county. You from down there or from Georgia.
I am also a swamper grew up hunting the Big Cypress Swamp,  all around Immokalee & LaBell and Avon Park Bombing Range in your neck of the woods. Had some really good Florida curs . My friends still hunt Florida curs.


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: mike rogers on March 13, 2017, 09:19:13 pm
I am researching by asking someone posting  and starting a thread with knowledge of an interesting breed . II'm curious , since they  came with the settlers, where are the purebred examples of the breed here in the new world?  Were the pure lines diluted over time? I suspect thats what happened.

dilute. I think so then transformed into new breeds. I think a combination of things happened as the conquest was happening.  Both French and Spain settled the coast lines and inland. Battles won and lost against the natives, themselves, as they moved conquered and  colonized. Then trades for goods, spices and animals for gold as they began to settle these areas and then send gold and goods back the Kings.  Trades such as the mustang horse brought native Americans, like the plains Indians,  down to Mexico area for trading.  This could have spread the old world breeds with the native American dog.  But I bet Mother nature took a hold as the war dogs bred native dogs. I would think the same with the guard dogs running with herding dogs. Some old writings talk about the landrace breed and it's importance to the new world. Not just dogs, but other stock.  Landrace dogs may be something for you to look into too.  Gotta remember we had wild game that these war dogs, guard dogs and herding dogs never seen before. Funny too how a "mastiff" covered a wide verity of dogs. Same with the old world hounds or hunting dogs.

good little thread you got going.

mike


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: warrent423 on March 13, 2017, 09:57:30 pm
Been living here in these SE Tennessee mountains for going on 13 years now. My Florida cur cowdogs have been fairly successful at keeping my freezers full of fresh pork. Extremely rough terrain and lots of Russian influence in these hogs, but still plenty "catchable", even for this flatland swamper ;)

My partner had some outstanding Florida Curs over in the LaBell area. Hunted a lot with them.
Half my kin are from and still in Highlands county. You from down there or from Georgia.
I am also a swamper grew up hunting the Big Cypress Swamp,  all around Immokalee & LaBell and Avon Park Bombing Range in your neck of the woods. Had some really good Florida curs . My friends still hunt Florida curs.
!0-4 I grew up in Bear Island and Turner River Units of the Cypress. Rest of kin, as well as myself, are from West Broward. Also hunted the bombing range quite a bit. Any evidence of those early Alano/Alaunt types coming white, especially in Cuba. Seems the newer dogs are mainly brindle and fawn.


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: NEGEORGIA-HOGHUNTER on March 14, 2017, 06:35:05 am

Been living here in these SE Tennessee mountains for going on 13 years now. My Florida cur cowdogs have been fairly successful at keeping my freezers full of fresh pork. Extremely rough terrain and lots of Russian influence in these hogs, but still plenty "catchable", even for this flatland swamper ;)

My partner had some outstanding Florida Curs over in the LaBell area. Hunted a lot with them.
[/quote]Half my kin are from and still in Highlands county. You from down there or from Georgia.
I am also a swamper grew up hunting the Big Cypress Swamp,  all around Immokalee & LaBell and Avon Park Bombing Range in your neck of the woods. Had some really good Florida curs . My friends still hunt Florida curs.
[/quote]!0-4 I grew up in Bear Island and Turner River Units of the Cypress. Rest of kin, as well as myself, are from West Broward. Also hunted the bombing range quite a bit. Any evidence of those early Alano/Alaunt types coming white, especially in Cuba. Seems the newer dogs are mainly brindle and fawn.

Small world,  I spent many years hunting Turner River and Bear Island until they forced us to give our camp on Turner River to the government.  I don't know what happened to the Dogo Cubano.  I still have a picture of me with one taken in 1958 and it was fawn. We used our dogs to work cattle as catch dogs to hold them. We had honrey Brahma.


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: warrent423 on March 14, 2017, 09:05:27 am
10-4 on the rank Brammers ;D Small world indeed. I'm in McMinn County Tn these days. I've got some friends in Ellijay who I hunt and day work with from time to time. You close to there. I'd like to see them big daddy didn't marry mommys work sometime :) As stated above, lots of interesting info being discussed. No doubt a link between the Spanish dogs, as well as the French and Indian dogs, and our curs, especially them Leapards. Many old South/Central Florida families, as well as mine, shipped a lot of cattle to Cuba out of Punta Rassa years ago. It would be hard for me to believe those Cowman didn't trade stock dogs with them Cuban boys every now and again ;)


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: warrent423 on March 14, 2017, 09:55:29 am
Some interesting reading on Punta Rassa for those interested. Lots of well documented history around there, especially surrounding cattle culture in this country. Punch in Punta Rassa for reads.


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: NEGEORGIA-HOGHUNTER on March 14, 2017, 02:31:39 pm
I lived my last 10 years in Florida on the Charlotte Sarasota county line so I am familiar with the Punta Rassa area. I spent a lot of time at Babcock Web. I live near Athens Georgia now.


Title: Re: anyone hunt with a Spanish Alano Espanol ?
Post by: Amokabs on March 14, 2017, 07:55:19 pm
This is a fascinating thread.  been looking at some info on the www today at work and it is very interesting. Seems there is a Spanish mastiff which some view as a variation of an alano while others see it as a totally differnet breed. Incredible how you can kennel so many together peacefully.  Would make it easier to bring them over in the large sailing vessels, I would imagine. Whenever you get a pack that you are happy with, and you are running them regularly, i would love to tag along, am a good hand, keep my mouth shut and listen and do as i'm told. I'm located just north of birmingham. Got a bunch a city hogs i keep fat on corn.