EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Why would someone post a video on you tube (for ALL THE ANTI's to see) that solely shows the extent of their cut down hog dogs?
Does this show the dogs are tough? No. The same way a bloopers reel shows guys getting hit in the nads. Nobody sees that and says "man he’s tough"... just OUCH!

Does its show the dogs can hunt? No. It only shows the dog came in contact with something that hurt it badly.

Heck it does show they are incapable of providing medical care themselves AND OR in no hurry to find someone that can.

So why do these morons keep posting them? You Tube will be the end of our sport!!!! Plenty of horses die at the tracks but nobody puts up a highlight reel of a horse with a broken leg like “that’s right were tough… see he broke his leg… that means were tough guys”!

All it does is bring us one step closer to outlawing dogging on public land, then no catch dogs, then only two bays dogs, then its outlawed all together. We really need to police ourselves in this area…

Well said. I saw one the other day off of here. All the times the bulldovs caught i never saw a vest or nothing on them .

Not running a cutvest on your bulldog is something entirely different then showing off cut up dogs.

I know the video you're talking about.  It was bad taste to go around videoing cut up dogs and acting proud of it, especially putting it on the Internet, but as far as not running a vest on a bulldog, that's completely different. I don't run one on my bulldogs, does that make me any less a dog man then you?

Have to agree with BA-IV.  The vids were in bad taste but the vest I believe is just a matter of personal preference.  A vest has the potential to save a dog or get it killed.  Just depends on the particular situation.  I personally choose to run a vest.

X2 Ive seen a vest tangle a CD up just short but I'm still gonna use one.

It's ignorance at its best !! And glorified  hog hunters on every corner !!  rolleyes

I agree Kevin, I don't look down on anyone for not using a vest on a CD, there was a time when I didn't run a vest either, just cut collars on every dog. I lost a dang good catch/protection dog due to not having him vested and I have run a vest ever since. A few of ya'll have seen older pictures of him on here, his name was buck, he was as good a cd as ive ever hunted with. My personal outlook is if im gonna feed it and hunt it im gonna do my best to protect it...........

now back to the discussion..............I also agree completely about not posting pics/vids of cut up dogs.....I have not nor will I ever take a pic of a cut dog unless im sending it to someone for advise on how to properly care for it. there is no need or excuse for pics/video's of that nature to ever be broadcast to the masses. Pictures/Videos of torn up dogs and hogs will be the end of our sport. I don't believe that there is anything wrong with showing your kills but people need to understand that to non hunters and anti's a picture or video of a torn up hog is as bad as a picture of a torn up dog. I know it sounds ignorant and I agree that it is but I can promise you that to your average non hunting individual a badly torn up/ chewed on hog is not something that will help persuade them that our sport is good to have around. just my opinion on this subject, nothing more nothing less. happy hunting to everyone!

Do we know for sure it's not an Animal Rights Group posting it? Just a thought.

not at all. My point was if your not gonna put a vest on the dog dont show all the dogs cuts and everything

Just a question to all those that DON'T. Run vests.
You know the consequence of a rank hog with teeth.  Why put a dog
that you care for in that kind of situation.   Then knowing you will be
Out a c.d for a while or even permanently.   But then again I guess I know the
consequences of a wreck but I don't where my seatbelt..fifteenth strokes for different folks I guess. 

Fifteenth lol. (Different)

I catch quite a few big hogs.  Mostly though I hunt during the day alot in summer where as lots of folks quit cuz of the heat...I hunt through it cuz I hate night hunting, so I don't make em wear a vest and usually in winter I don't.  Your bulldogs learn what they can and can't do.

I guess when I own a Catchdog worth a vest, I might buy a good one.

If you don't wear a helmet does that make you know more or less about motorcycles? How in the world would a cut vest make you a better or worse dog man? I never saw one on a bird dog. So are guys that work bird dogs not dog men? Now if you just never run a vest at all then I would say you don't care about your dogs than most. But that could be wrong. Maybe you have a good reason. A vest or not depends on the dog based upon my personal knowledge of that dog. But you do whatever you want. I only ask that you think before posting video or pictures is all.

I didn't post the video, and a vest has nothing to do with beig a dog man, that was the point. It has nothing to do about caring about your dogs, running a vest or not is personal preference.

There's more to consider than just a toothy boar.  Overheating and thick briars are the ultimate downfalls to a vest.  In summer time I try to keep the dog cooled down with water and keep the vest off as much as I can.  As far as briars go I've seen that vest get them tangled up and then if the hog doesn't decide to leave your dog can become a sitting target.  You have to take everything into account and make your own decision.  I know my vest has saved my cd from a couple of what could have been potentially really nasty cuts.  I feel like Justin on this subject.  If I have enough time and interest invested into something I will do what I can to preserve it but I can also see the occasional situation where I might drop the vest.

My opinion as to why is simple, 1 word sums it up. STUPID!!!!! Jryan has a good point, do we know for sure it wasnt staged by antis for public rating n hatred towards hog hinters?

i run a vest all yr long , and in my 11 yrs iv never lost a cd to any of my vest. and my vest are heavy and never had a cd get cut through one either. i dont under stand why hunters dont use a vest either, but its there money and dog. iv retired 2 cd and working on my 3rd one.

Monty, im the same way, been runnin a vest since i lost buck in 2006. Hell i lost a cd that the Psenciks gave me for 8 days in the middle of july this last year and he made it out alive.....if that doesnt prove that a full vest aint that bad then i dont know what does!

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now back to the discussion..............I also agree completely about not posting pics/vids of cut up dogs.....I have not nor will I ever take a pic of a cut dog unless im sending it to someone for advise on how to properly care for it. there is no need or excuse for pics/video's of that nature to ever be broadcast to the masses. Pictures/Videos of torn up dogs and hogs will be the end of our sport. I don't believe that there is anything wrong with showing your kills but people need to understand that to non hunters and anti's a picture or video of a torn up hog is as bad as a picture of a torn up dog. I know it sounds ignorant and I agree that it is but I can promise you that to your average non hunting individual a badly torn up/ chewed on hog is not something that will help persuade them that our sport is good to have around. just my opinion on this subject, nothing more nothing less. happy hunting to everyone!
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x2...and like Justin said...not just cut dogs but tore up hogs included...because that is how these senseless anti's think...

I don't understand why either. I also don't think the videos of the catch dog hitting a pig then they just video the dogs on the hog from anywhere from 1min to 3min for no reason are any better. I understand it takes a min to get in there some times but I should be able to see someone making that effort not everyone just standing around watching. In any situation a man should be doing his best to secure the hog and get the dogs off. If it takes a bit so be it. But make the effort.

yeah shotgun , you would thank if the camera man can get there and get set up ... everybody could  ;)

i have often wondered why people put them pictures and videos on facebook and youtube and etc. i take a camera hunting with me just about everytime i go and take a good bit of pictures if its something i might want to look back at, and i figured hog hunting with dogs might not be around when i have kids and would like to have a good bit of pictures to show them but its no way i would let them pictures get on the internet,  its ok to share good hunt stories and decent pictures. but getting a dog cut is nothing to brag on and advertise for all to see its just something that happens that doesnt need to be shared with the world. and i do not run a cutvest either, it is to hot in the summer, to thick for a snake to crawl through and the rivers are to wide, if someone i hunted with wanted to use one i wouldnt laugh or joke at them for it though

I've said it on here before but it was the bear hunting videos  that helped outlaw bear and cat hunting in Wa. and Or.

Well there are plenty cut dog videos around that show a bloody dog at the end or people pointing out scar tissue ect. I don't agree with any display of damage mangled hogs, 2 minute catch scenes, or any footage of cut down dogs. THE ONLY PEOPLE that want to see cut down dogs are the anti’s so they have ammunition to bring us down.

BUT this video tops it off! All it is two short clips one of a jagd terrier laying down with a good rip down his under carriage and some bull dogs sporting a chest with a handful of punctures. All the guy does is walk around and describe the extent of the damage. No dog was whimpering or anything but if you try and think like a hippy the “cute” little terrier laying down split open would make a VERY big impact on a billboard comparing us to dog fighting. Just think of all the crap a hippy can do with a clip like that and a computer! It doesn’t matter what it really is BUT how it can be portrayed to the public.

As for him being an anti? Here is the like to the page

http://www.easttexashogdoggers.com/forum/index.php?topic=62260.0

The moderators on this board had the bad vids removed quickly and I as an avid dog man really appreciate it. Thanks Guys!

But the same guy has posted it on one other board that I know of and they haven’t been taken down. Not to mention they are all still on You Tube! I have commented on the vids (youtube) saying such but my comments just keep being deleted.

How about some help guys? If we don’t tell people how devastating bad press can be they don’t know it’s a bad thing or worse might think it’s approved of. Anytime I see a bad vid I TRY and politely tell them but I’m generally pushed into the group with the anti’s and I get some reply about how it’s their tradition like that is going to make ANY deference to the tree hugging wack job’s drooling at the mouth.  No I love my sport and in my opinion people who post bad vids should be held with the same distain as the anti’s!

I’m not trying to cause drama but I know there are other people out there that like me that would literally lose their mind if they couldn’t run dogs!

Seems to me I heard that guy took some flack over on Parker's board as well...

creynolds...I agree with everything you said...keep casting those seeds and they shall multiply...

agree 100%

My purchase order #1 dogo..#2 cut collar..#3 vest.... #4 gps collars....#5 4wheeler.. Well you get the idea...

Don't stop at the videos. Just look all over ETHD. Hunters posting R.I.P. -------. My  cd or my best dog, got killed to day by a big boar hog. Then you have the ones that post hogs with blood all over them along with the dogs. Then you have the ones that post 10 to 12 dogs piled on one hog. One man  holding the hog others taken pic's of it. TDHA CAN'T HELP OUR SPORT IF HUNTER KEEP THIS UP. HOW CAN THEY COUNTER PUNCH ALL THAT EVIDENCE ?     

The way I see it is don't invite trouble ,if your dogs get wrecked  tend to them but don't make trophies out of there misfortune . As for as vests , a hunter isn't more are less if he vests his dogs are not , he's just as responsible to see about the dog if it gets cut with a vest are without it's a matter of personal choice and reason ,i respect each mans right to choose , just my thinkin . Happy Hunting