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Need advice about this line of dogs.... I purchased this female pup in march 2012 straight from randy wright, she was born 2012JAN10. She was baying and catching small hogs at 10 weeks, she is mean as a rattlesnake!!! I have had her on several hogs in the woods with my older dogs. She does not hunt consistent at all. One hunt she will hunt out 300 yds as soon as she hits the ground and other hunts she walk behind me the entire hunt. She will go to a bay and be caught when we get there but I did not pay $750 plus $300 to have her shipped to me in Florida for a "HELP" dog!!!! She has been on enough hogs tomknownhow to hunt and what she is doing and why we are in the woods. She just started sticking armadillos which shows that sheik mows how to use her nose because she will stile on one and trail it a couple hundred yards till she catches it or finds it hole. I am use to hunting with good ole fl cur cow/hog dogs that start striking their own hogs at a very early age! Are all of these dogs like this if so why? And the people that hunt this line of dogs what type of hunting do y'all do and how do your dogs work? I strictly walk hunt with short/medium range dogs so the 300 yd hunting is good with me I just don't understand the inconsistency? I know she is young but for the amount of hunts and hogs she has been on she should be doing more I believe... Any input would be greatly appreciated!

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How she bred? Have you done any jump out races or drags with her? They might help..

I don't know this first hand but I have been told by people that have gotten dogs from Randy that he breeds papers to papers not proven dogs to proven dogs. I was told it was all about the money. Again this is here say. Good luck may be she will turn around for you

Thats a typical type of dog strait from his yard. Iv had the same problem, but she should get better if fed enough hogs. Iv got 2 n had 3 that would burn 1 day n hang back the nxt. Some folks on here hav them dogs n are proven dogs. Its a crap shoot with any breed or line of animals. Iv heard that thrown an out cross helps the nxt gen and then so forth on down. Talk airduster29 or anthonyb, they both have dealings on this line n hav proven dogs from that line. Roll the dice n hope for the best.

I have all the percentages of all the dogs he told me but I don't know chit about what that garbage is? Her parents are wrights western gunslinger and wrights bounty reva... 43.9203125% Ben 36x, 25% wrights western pistolero, 18.75% wrights bounty hunter and 12.5% conns randy. Txsteve85 if you know what all that verbiage means maybe you could tell me? I had always heard a lot about the dogs and decided to buy one but I am not impressed thus far, and I have not sent her straight in to a hog because I don't want a sight hunt dog, the woods we hunt are thick as all get out...and I'm not just talking little thickets here and there, I'm talking entire properties of wax mertiles, palmettos over you head or thick cypress swamps. So I try to train to get out and beat the bushes type of hunting. Totally different from texas and that may be the problem but idk? I have not done drags but I have sent hogs into a small piece of property and given them 5-10 minutes to get away and then cut her out and I have basically had to walk her right up to the hog before she would do anything. She was young when I did that though, the rest of the time it has been in the woods for her

I don't care how they are bred, who breeds them, or where they are from, you are going to get some culls. Thats why, in my opinion, its ridiculas to give that much for a puppy.  If you send it back, you'll have 600 in just shipping, not counting your time and trouble. I would give her 6 months then cull her if she dosn't measure up and chalk it up to experience.They can't all be sorry or Mr. Wright would soon run out of people to sell to.

I tried a few a long time ago and the ones I tried didn't turn out...but they had some good papers on them. Luckily I didn't have to pay for them...the type of terrain you are talking about you probably need a dog from a long line of proven hog hunting dogs...

I have my own line of cur dogs and a few from some local cowboys here in Florida so I am good on the dogs I need as they all find hogs for me... I guess I just had a stupid idea of buying the dog from what I am hearing I just wanted to try one but I guess I really just wanted to throw away a grand

If she is that bad, i would request a refund n be done with it.

I don't know or do percentages...I was just wondering I know most of that stock is rough..
I'd spend couple bucks on .22 lead and wipe my hands clean.
I see your from Florida, guy with screen name Stacy on here just got some good bmc's from Texas shipped to him . I don't remember what part of Florida but you should shoot him a PM.

Not an expert but not very many dogs are even close to being mature enough to cull at 1 yr old.  I have a son of off Rathke's Reno, grandson of Ben and my yard all comes from him and I only hunt on Saturdays, which may take longer to finish the dog.  It takes 2-3 yrs before the dogs usually get the confidence to get out on their own and hunt.  Some start early and most don't.  I learned the hard way and gave up on dogs at 1.5 yrs old and made somebody else a good dog.  I raised them and they got the benefit..  I had a friend get one of my pups off Cowboy and he gave up at 1 yr old and now she is finding hogs in Flordia and the guy loves her.  Give her some time...

Would you sell the dog?

Redline I would if I could get at least my $750 back from the original purchase... But I would want to make sure you knew exactly what you were getting and if you were close to me would like to show her in the woulda so that there would be no issues later on, and would like know that you have worked that line of dogs as you may know a trick or two to get her going. Charles I did call randy and asked for a refund but he refused to do so, he said get another pup or nothing...i can only assume he is having a hard time selling puppies right now, just my opinion. So I settled for trying another pup. I specifically asked if I would have to pay anything for the swap as I was already into the dog $950 and refused to pay any more. Randy told me absolutely not and that the shipping would be taken care of...as that was part of the guarantee. So I set up a ship with redwing hound haulers and they told me a date that they would meet me. Well that date changed three different times and. Lost three days of work but that's a whole different story don't have time for that one. Finally shipping company gets here and they want $350 for the shipping??? I told them they needed to call randy because he was taking care of that part as he had already told me that. Well it boiled down to randy refusing to pay for the shipping so the little pup went on back to texas.

Wow Randy sounds like a piece of work!!

Circle s, thats what randy did with me too, except the shipping, i would hav to pay that. It seems he dooped you too under false pretence. I was lucky to be able to sell my dog for workn cattle n the new owner called n giv me an update that the dog is turning out excelent for his usage. Atleast u only paid 1/2 what i paid n we both got bent over. Hogdogger, he is a piece of work n a bit more on the poo side of things.

I wish I would have found this site a long time ago and asked around before I purchased her... Lesson learned!! Thanks guys!

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she might excell on cows or...
maybe blood tracking or search and rescue???
 

X2!!

Might be better next time to pay a lil more and get a guarantee for you guarantee.  :laugh:

There is another man down that way that will do you the same way.  Been there done that. 

Just to make sure my math is correct....your currently at $1400 for cost of original pup and shipping both ways? Possibly shipping of new pup back to you also? 

Not trying to stir the fire...I know you are very frustrated. Just did the talley and it blew me away if correct. 

At a year ole a dog is still in the baby stage.  Also it depends a lot on how the dog is bred some tighter bred dogs will not turn on and do as good as cross dogs at a young age.  Its crazy as hell to cull a year old dog being bred like that .  People that do those kinds of things shows their inexperince big time  .  Give the dog some time.  If it dont work out it just dont work out nobody makes nobody buy a dog .  The way I see it when you hand him the cash the ordeal is over right then and there so people need to make damn sure that is what they want .  Good luck with your dog bet she just needs to mature out and get some age on her . 

Give the dog a lil more time.

Yellowblackmas I am only in the female $950 including the original shipping. When the new pup was delivered here to Florida they tried getting me to pay $350 for the shipping on it, I was told by randy himself that he would be taking care of the shipping cost....that was a lie so the pup got delivered back to him and I hope that he eats that shipping fee for the little guy traveling around the entire United States!

Texashogdogs, I am by far an inexperienced dog man! As I stated in my previous post I am in Florida and have been around the original cracker curs for the past 25 years. Don't forget Florida was the first to have cows and the first to have cur dogs..... The dogs I have and my family have along with good friends that work cattle and hogs have outstanding dogs. We ain't got papers on nothing, and our dogs are working finding their own by 6-7 months old. Not bragging just don't want to be labeled as an inexperienced dog man! I have never tried anything other than our own chit and it appears it was a mistake to do so. I understand the dog is young and I plan on continuing to work her in hopes that she will figure it out I was simply asking the folks that run this line to give some insight on the line.

I was told by the man who started the line of dogs nothing but what someone would want out of any cattle hog dog, hunt all day hunt for miles until they find what they are after so on and so forth, we'll my experience with the gyp I have has been anything but that.

If I really liked that type of dog I would do this...My thinking is that she isn't what I really want but I would be looking past her...I would find out about her sire and dam as well as the grand sire and grand dam...If I liked them then I would breed her once to one of your best florida curs in your area...Then I would move her and look for the best pups out of her litter...I would not breed her more than once because I would not use her as the main dog to line breed off of...save that for one of her pups or grand pups...

sometimes we buy a pup from a kennel that advertises quite a bit and has been around for some time and they have registered pups and charge an arm and a leg for them...and the whole time and old man down the road will sell you a pup for 50 bucks or will give you a pup that will be a better dog...I been down that road more than once and got burned...and now I try to breed my own...just works better for me that way...

Wouldn't make a comment at all except for the fact I have tried several throughout the years.
Love a Yeller no doubt but have never witnessed any of the above traits in them. I have witnessed small framed, skittish,  extremely unstable baying fluctuations and ZERO nose.

They typically come as perty as they can be. So they continue to keep my attention looking for a select cross that does hold these desired traits.  

Not taking sides or starting any arguments ....I respect the different hunting and training aspects of all.........but for discussion purposes only...... I stand completely at the other end of the dinner table from the late bloomer aspect.

A two year old dog still having a question mark is not a question I answer.  A year and lil bit of change and the dog isn't impressing ..........no problem with letting them impress someone else on their dime.......or lead nickels.

Probably my inexperience bleeding through.. ;D but never atested to begging one to do their job! And dang sure dont wanna pay quad ooodle dooodle with a guarantee to find that out.   :laugh:
 Hope it works out for ya brotha.  Sounds like a very expensive lesson learned.

Myles...I second the motion on the late bloomers...I want to see a progression from 12 weeks on up...8 months old and it should be hunting with the big dogs and sticking pretty good...late bloomers begets more late bloomers...then what if at 3 years it didn't turn out...three years wasted and said dog took up some valuable space...and ate lots of dog food...early starters produce early starters...

I cut loose a nice looking larger type mtn cur pup at 10 months who was out of some good dogs...cut him because he didn't meet my expectations at that age...He bayed good and was smart but...Jesse Paul took him and tried him for several months and cut him loose as well...

once I like a pup he or she gets a name and some preferred treatment...  :)

 myles u took the words outa my mouth.
i also agree with reuben, breed her once to c whatcha get and then if still nothing from the cross out, use the lead nickel. some of them dogs work n some dont and it aint got crap to do with experience in training or raising dogs, sry jimmy i just dont agree with u on this topic.
 i myself am inexperienced, there is a lot of talk bout culls from that line n then there is a lot of talk on how great they do. as an owner of this line iv gotten rid of a couple and got a couple that i think will do the job, atleast to my satisfaction.
 its a toss up on a dog turning on no matter the experience of the owner. like on this similar topic before, some dogs have it, some dont and its not just the wrights line, but any line.
 anybody who says EVERY dog/pup from EVERY litter they have bred n raised is the best and will go go go and go some more and have tons of hunt n bottom is a full of poop, it just aint that way no matter what.

so what im getting out of it shes a year old and shes not what you want.there are lots of dogs that dont give there full potential until they are around two years of age. i wouldnt give up on her just yet keep hunting her give her more time shes still a baby. seen lots of good bread dogs that people gave lots of money for sold for a fraction of the original price. seen some dogs at 1 year that were not worth 50dollars but by the time they are 2years old you couldnt by the same dog for 2500.give her some time to mature...........

Just because a man has experience with one bloodline of dogs in a certain breed don't mean he has any experience with the next bloodline are breed  .  All bloodlines are different in its on way and it goes the same for different breeds  .  Some bloodlines may turn out to find hogs at 10 months old then some bloodlines may not mature till later on like two three some four and five yrs of age.  Some may be finding hogs at 10 months old and burning the woods down only to fizzle at 2 yrs old and never do much after that .  Some bloodlines may not find hogs and make any kind of dog till they are two three years old only to get better and better as the years goes on and be great dogs .  So experience in one bloodline don't make anybody a expert are experience in another bloodline and thats with the same breed of dog and it don't have to be a entirely a different breed of dog it could be the same breed but of different bloodlines.   Names on paper don't mean Jack and the paper don't make the dogs the dogs make the paper until then you can wipe your butt with the golden papers .

I don't patience for dogs that are late bloomers...
I want dogs that want it on their own...
I expect them to be burning up the woods by year old not striking hogs left and right but making strides everytime we hunt..
High standards...maybe but Im not gonna listen to my wife bitch at me everyday for some okay dogs.

Any time you buy a pup you are taking a risk wether it is guaranteed or not. All the pups I bred are replacement guaranteed if they don't work, and I have had a couple come back on that, so to say that any line will never produce a cull is a little far fetched, and working expectations are different for every person. The other thing you have to do is your research on what lines preform the way you want. I know what my crosses do, and what the majority of pups are going to start out as when they age, but that comes only after working and proving my dogs and crosses over time, which doesn't make me a dog expert by any means. To be able to look at a cross without knowing what the parents, grandparents, and so on do, it's pretty hard to say what the pup is going to do. I think one of the things that someone looking to buy a pup also needs to do is not spend more money than you are willing to lose if things don't work out the way you wanted them to. A year old is a little young to be thinking she is what she is going to be, I've seen them mature out anywhere from a year to almost three, but personally I give them till around a year and a half. If their development has stalled I will cut them at that point, and cut them even sooner as far as starting to work goes. Not sure what happened with your and Randy's deal, I have never had that experience with him, but also haven't spoken to him or bought a pup in quite a while. I hope everything works out for you.
Anthony

Man I sure hope there ain't nobody out there tryin to get started with some 5 year bloomers!!!!    :o

A lot of wasted time IMO....

If you have raised any kind of hunting dogs you know from the time you start them up to about 12 months to 18 months old which pups are going to more than likely turn out for you. I have a 2 year old gyp now that I should have done culled but all I hear is that breed of dogs is late starters. She has untill spring to show more potential.

I do agree with the comments on breeding her and picking the pups you like and then cull her.

If you have been raising dogs for as long as you say you know whether the dog is gonna fit you or not.

I wouldn't breed her until she was proven. I really wouldn't breed her at all if she was a 2,3 or 4 year old late bloomer and I mean at all. Who would ?  Why take that chance of passing those types of genes to their litter. No matter how good the male dog is,  it might take you a year and half just to see what you got. And you might be in the same place you started when you bred her. I sure wouldn't feed a pack of yard dogs for 3 years before I could hunt them. You should be breeding to improve your stock.  JMO

I have a gyp that is 1/2 Randy Wright and 1/2 kemmer. She is bad to the bone ...and was free.

While I do agree with your reasoning and obvious knowledge of what you are talking about, I have to state that if a dog isn't hunting and maturing until 3 or more years old then it is a no good around here. There are WAY to many lines of dogs that progress and hunt by 1-1 1/2 years of age to deal with dogs that you have to wait 3-5yrs on, just my opinion.

X2!!! >:( >:(

i have two that are jam up and i know kid7 has a gyp thats about as nice as they come

I agree man 100%  .  I like my dogs doing well by 20 months then by 30 making a real dog.  From 30 on they should be great hog dogs improving till their life is over.  I dont agree with anyone that culls a year old dog but thats just me .  If a dog is not making no progress by two then am pretty sure he is gonna go on the chopping block around here he may get some more time if he is showing intrest till around 30 months but you can tell if it has not clicked in him are he is just assing around showing no intrest he is pretty much gone.  Its a judgement call .  Been many many a great dog culled early in life .   I dont like late bloomers myself but sometimes the best comes to those who can wait .  Its not so bad on me around here the waiting because I have dogs that I have hunted for years and all know the ropes and are finished type of dogs and got new age groups coming up every year that I breed for myself to keep the young dogs rolling and coming as they come and go  but for someone that dont have that and needs a dog now I can understand not wanting to wait but if this is the case a pup is not for you go out and buy yourself a good started young dog then you are way ahead and the pups and young unstarted dogs get a fair shake . 

I personally disagree with those who say breed the dog and see what you get.  Seems like if you've been hunting and raising a line of dogs for sometime, perhaps you bought the dog as a potential outcross to the line you have.

I just went through the same thing over the past two years.  I made three outcross breedings to evaluate the crosses.  One litter was all I had hoped for, and I have one pup from that litter that is making as good of a dog as I've ever hunted for his age.  Second cross was to a VERY nice male that was said to have produced some good dogs and been a very prepotent male.  This litter was the biggest dissappoinment of all.  I got everything from a really nice male pup, to a couple females who at a year and a half old won't bark at a hog.  I don't care how good this male pup ends up, I won't breed that cross back into my like because of the overall result of the litter.  

You have to keep in mind when outcrossing that you're breeding everything bad in that line of dogs as well as everything good.  For me, the bad outweighed.

Perhaps you keep that female and in another year she turns out to be a pretty decent dog.  Is slow maturity something your willing to breed in?  If it were me, I'd keep looking.

When breeding, people sometimes have a problem looking beyond the dog in front of them.  Lineage is where the decisions should be made.


Oh...and for what it's worth, I raised three foundation bred dogs.  First one was a male and was a pretty nice dog if you could get past his slight male aggression and catchiness.  Second decent at best, and the third was a double bred Bounty Hunter female that was probably one of the worst dogs I've thrown feed to.

well i appreciate all of the mixed opinions..... it seems like the guys that have/had the dogs seem say that the dogs arent all that they are cracked up to be, maybe minus a select few who have got lucky with one or two. all the other people that have posted on here that have not directly said they have/had one just seem to be puting me on trial? i simply wanted advice and opinions from individuals that have/had dogs straight from randy rights yard... to those that put thier input in, thanks. i didnt buy the dog for an out cross to my line as i would not put any papered dogs into it, as it does seem that no matter what breed or line weather it be curs, pits or beagles papered dogs seem to be bred papers to papers as was said in a previous post. our dogs are breed by working abilities... best to the best, when all possible. for those that are real true hog hunters and that catch hogs more than not know that the average life span of a true "HOG" dog is maybe 5 years old so to say work a dog till then to see if it turns on is absolutley stupid. i have been at this game for a very long time as did my parents, grandparents and great grandparents. i am not an expert by no means and still learn stuff from the dogs i have now on a daily basis but i am by no means an inexperienced dog man.

i believe i got all the advice and opinions that i need for now, i plan on working her for another six to eight months so if she dont work out by then i will post another thread about the dog and get opinions on how many years i should continue feeding her after determining she is a cull before i should dispatch her

Most of my dogs live past 5 years.. what part of Florida do you live in ?

north central on the gulf coast... crystal river to be exact

WOW!  Two to three years. Have fun with that...

Sounds like you answered your own questions right there.  It sounds as though your pretty content with what you're already raising.  If not for an outcross, may I ask why you bought the dog in the first place then?  You spent a bunch of money, so something about the purchase had some potential value to you.

I think it very important to hunt with dogs you like. If a dog irritates you I would get rid of it doesn't really matter why you dont like it.It's a very senseless frustrating cycle,trying to get the best dog in the country.I think the thing to do is start with the best genetics you can get your hands on.(no point in handicapping yourself by buying unproven lines)Or afford. Again it is not what dog hunting is about, to spend thousands on overpriced dogs. so get the best you can afford. Make sure you like the dogs you hunt. To me thats most important.Not them being the best dog out there just that we get the job done and work like a pack with me the alpha. I would love to have the best dogs but to much focus on that, Screws up the whole thing in my opinion.I enjoy hunting my dogs period.I don't live vicariously through me dogs. how much i payed for a dog neither adds nor subtracts from who i am.You get hogs with a 2500.00 dollar dog. Guess what? I get hogs with mine as well and I love every dog I hunt. they arent the best but we are a team and mostly learned to hunt hogs together.I enjoy hunting as much as anyone out there.If you don't like the dog it will never do what you want it to. If it had potential you likley wouldn't notice. Dogs have personality's the proper mixture of males and females can effect them. along with your attitude toward them or another dogs attitude toward them. I've noticed dogs not accepting a dog on a track. I had two dogs that always hunted together. I put another female in and it busted them up and she don't hunt as good now.dogs get peer pressured bullied and befriended by other pack members. I may not be articulating my point well but the point is If the dog don't fit you or your team it likley never will regardless of age or experience. It's senseless to spend a fortune on a dog never hunted unless you are buying it's genetics for breeding purposes. I have learned alot from the jagd terrier forum. they fight constantly but there is a reason you dont hear very many buying a jagd terrier that wont get out and hunt or is half hearted.they have been natural instinct tested as pups generation after generation.In europe they don't breed any that havent been certified to have all the genetic traits a jagd terrier is supposed to have. I'de like to get a bmc breeders club started that did  just that. It would in a few years clean up all this hit and miss stuff. It's taken to much work on the part of the dog men of the past to transform the grey wolf into modern working dogs to let it get screwed up by paper breeding for money.sorry I didn't mean to hijack your thread. If it where me and I was stuck with the dog. I wouldnt cull it yet. I would take the dog where i knew hogs were and let it find some pigs by itself no dogs around and make it easy.one on one no mistaking what you want it to do. My best dog was started that way and he hunts regardless of what dogs are around my feet. It just dont matter he knows what i expect of him and he does it no matter what.I think every potential strike dog should have some time hunting by itself. I know two different hog hunter that hunt nothing but other peoples culls and get the job done great! They watch their dogs and take time to bond with them and are real good handlers that take what they can get and develope it to its full potential instead of  trying to pay their way forward.

there has been lots of good input here on this thread...you bought this high dollar pup for a reason...I will stick to what I said earlier about her...just because she does not turn out does not mean that she doesn't bring value to your needs...You can send her back and continue to spend more money and the possibility of the next pup being a cull is still there and this will push everything back at least 2 or 3 years and possibly more...So what was the reason for buying this pup in the first place when you have a good line of dogs? I would not hesitate to breed her if that was part of the original plan...Just know there might be a few extra culls in the litter...

Another option is to breed her to one of Randy Wrights best stud dogs and now you have the potential to have more than a few good dogs with registration papers...he should cut you a good deal because of the circumstance...I know I would...

the very best dog I ever owned was BMC and mt. cur cross also...

Circle S...it was getting a little boring on here and you kinda livened it up some with this thread...  :)

X2 Ruben.  ;D

Never seems to be boring posts when talking about another completely satisfied WB customer.  :o

If you have hunted long enough you see all types of hunting dogs come and go like the make and model of vehicles. What I have noticed is that everything is on a pendulum and will go out for a while but will come back into style. Mostly these dogs get bred to make more $ than better hunting dogs and everyone just wants to cash in. It goes on till most dogs are just bred out and become horrible at what their intentions were. Let's look back at some hounds, lacy, jags, dogo's and now it looks like eventually it will happen to some BMC's. All for a couple of greenbacks. Hopefully as hog hunters if it's on your shoulders you do the right thing and breed good to good rather than paper to paper. Cull hard my friends.

Circle S I am not trying to stir the pot but did you receive and or read the FBMCBO guarantee? I hate to see some one get screwed out of there hard earned money. 



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I guess if a person dont have that warrenty letter in hand, then the word of that reputable dog peddler dont mean crap.

That would have been nice to have knowledge of when I was dealing with randy but at this point I could give two number 2s if I ever talked to the man again...matter of fact I won't. I'm gunna work this one for a little while longer and if she don't work I will dispatch her and be done with the WB bloodline and stick to my own

It's only my opinion, which don't mean much, but, I think your on the right track now. When someone produces between 150-300 pups a year at between $700 and 1500 per pup, they are sure to make a nice one every so often, but the majority will be exactly as youd expect an assembly line dog store pup to be like. Sorry you got screwed, but from what I've seen of WB dogs, it happens more often than not.

Dig a hole and cut your losses.

That being said, I'll say the few decent registered dogs I've seen, came several generations removed from the puppy mills, bred by hunters for what they wanted and they had to cull thru lots of pups

Dang, 150-300 pups a year. That's a lot of pups, who breeds that many??
Anthony

Don't be naive. You exactly who breeds close to those numbers every year. They are the same folks who have threatened to sue over people voicing the truth.

That came out a little rudely, I apologize.

Between the top two registered fellows, they breed that many at least per year, in my humble opinion, (based on my personal observations)

And all I meant to get at is that a hunter like yourself, who has those dogs
And has used them and found ones they like and breeds and dulls from there is a better bet to get a performance dog
From than the source of the registered dogs, who I don't believe do any real, worth while evaluations.

My apologies.

No apology needed, I know this subject can get heated at time.

I personally haven't seen those numbers per year, but haven't kept track in a while either. And like you I think dogs should be bred for proven working ability.
Anthony

i'll say this , and i saw it in the hangin tree dogs as well .


when money gets involved , quality goes down and quantity goes up ! there is no such thing as a "rubber stamp franchise producer"   in dogs or anything else for that matter .


you have to start with good stock , test them hard and cull hard .

i'm told by several sho nuff hands that by old stock dog standards , weatherford ben was a cull !!!!!!!!

I think there has been some great point and comments I also say I would cull the dog if she isnt what you want her to be yes some WB dogs are late starters but usually make up for wen they start ( i wont wait longer than 1 1/2 yrs and i wont be breeding that dog ever no matter how it turns out )  I have been hunting wb dogs for 15 ish years ive seen all styles including many culls they are for sure there
I also say the line has produced many outstanding dogs but that always seems to get tucked away on this site no one here really wants to hear about the good ones but they sure wont miss the oppertunity to trash when they can that is a 100% fact ,this line is one of the largest bmc registry out there and yes has thousands of dogs in it so it is one that is gonna catch this traffic.

there has been several comments mad by people that have good lines but some how they are not available to anyone but close friends expose those lines to the world see what happens ( will be just like our line get dragged threw the mud every chance someone has when lines get hot everyone wants one then they breed it to what ever or breed to a budys registerd dog just to captilize on demand then next thing you know there are thousands of dogs and breders and everyone knows all about the line and how much it sucksthen there mad cause they wanted to see what the buzz was all about and spent alot of money on a pup that was never breed to fit what style they like to hunt or was bought from some one that had no idea how to cull and breed good dogs in the first place

Dang i ain't good at math but my calculator says 150 x 700 = 105000 :o, and 150 x 1500 = 225000 :o :o
......Thats it I'm gonna quit my day job and sale TAYLOR bred curs.   >:D........

Mr. Wright has made alot of money off this line and will contine to make money if so to say there is 300 pups a year and only a few bad ones showing up here sound to me like pretty good odds to me and there is still people out there trying and hunting and wanting more dogs so something has to be going right

I personally have 27 grown dogs on my yard evry one of them has made a dog for me and is allowed to stay on the feed bill I sale 2 to 3 litters a yr and have a couple other litters trying new crosses and such (not for sale) I still have culls but I can say I havent got a dog back in several years due to non performance (knock on wood)  

This is a hard world there is so many styles and so many people that think they know how to make a dog and the one that can and still have diffrent styles and expectations there will always be culls no matter what line is out there happy hunting each to there own always has been always will be

I'll say this and leave it alone on the numbers;
A fellow I was working dogs for really wanted a yellow dog a few years ago, I asked a few people and looked on the net and came to a website with real pretty pictures and testimonials, so I called up the old fella and shot the breeze with him for a while and he sure seemed to know his stuff. He said he didn't breed real often and but just so happened to have "a litter or two" on the ground right now. I thought WOW, how lucky for me!! Then we started talking price. I found there was actually 3 litters to choose from depending on how much I wanted to spend.

I confirmed the customers budget and soon went down to pick up this pup. When I got there I saw enough pups for the multiple litter story to perfectly feasible and what I believe (opinion only) was another pregnant bitch as well as being shown another bitch who had a dog in her kennel. There were tons of kennels at this place so I dint believe these two were bonking together because of necessity.

Now, let me say, this guy had an awesome setup! Everything was clean and orderly and really top notch, I don't believe I've seen anyone with a better kept kennel yard with my own peepers.

All that being said, as this pup progressed in age and I progressed in knowledge of his lineage I did a little snooping and found that I could call just about any time of the year, do a lil talking, talk a lil money and viola, there would be pups available. Tada, surprise surprise.


As the dog continued to grow I was dissatisfied with alot of things about him and his progression in comparison with other dogs in his age group that I had or hunted. I was tempted to take him back and try again, but the GARUNTEE was that at a year old he would bay a hog and thats exactly what he was capable of so how do I claim he's a cull when his only aspiration in life was that he'd do what my wife's butt ugly mutt will??

I don't hate this fella, I really don't have any hard feelings towards him, and if he is happy with the dogs he's breeding and he's making a few bucks on them, then good for him.

I ONLY COMMENTED BECUASE THIS FELLA FROM FLORIDA SAW THE SAME BASIC THING I DID AND DECIDED HE WAS UPSET ABOUT IT.




I bet alot of you WB guys have dogs you like, heck when I talked to KT004 he seemed about as nice and knowledgeable a fella as anybody else, and he seems to have some pretty dad burn nice registered dogs!!! THAT my friends, is what I was saying, that HUNTERS OR COWBOYS who USE those dogs and breed on their own prejudices probably have a good deal of measurable success. But the folks who solely breed their dogs off of other men's word on how the cow ate the cabbage aren't producing show stopping, contest winning, strike quality yellow dogs.

Hope I didn't hurt to many feelings, ya buncha ben lovers  :D ;D

See see see happy an jokin.

Oh also for the record, the dog I got DID NOT COME FROM MR WRIGHT. he came from another fella who lived by several flowing water sources

HAHAHA Flowing water sources!!! I get it I get it!!!

All that writing isnt worth the paper its written on.  If that guarantee is true then there should have been a couple names removed from the list already....

 Ha ha. I like what you did there.   ;D