EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Animal planet is coming to our february bayn for a pilot show i would just like some input from you guys on what you think and if anybody on here has any experience with things like this i could really use some input on this one pros and cons

   only thing i can think of cody is to be sure and see the final product that is to air before you sign off on it .

Being that the animal cruelty laws in Texas are written the way they are... I wouldn't allow it.

No matter what they tell you, you won't have any input on what gets aired.

This will not earn me any fan mail & this is just my opinion. First let me say that nobody likes to watch dogs baying hogs better then me but when it get publicized, watch out. I said as many as 20 years ago, probably 25 years ago that baying contest were the worst thing possible for our sport. I will list some of the negatives.

1. It brings to much negative attention to the media, Peta, & the Humane society. No matter how careful it is done, either hogs or dogs get busted up.

2. It has just about ruined Catahoulas & Curdog breeds. They are calling dogs hogdog champions & they could not go out in the woods & find their own hog to save their life. Dont get me wrong. I won the very first hogdog baying contest in Eufalla, Ala. that the Wild Boar Conservation Ass. put on & then won the very first baying contest that the National Catahoula Ass. put on in Ms. with the same dog. But, he was a hunting dog. This was a long time ago.

3.  It has brought our sport into the limelight. It has flooded the woods with wannabe hoghunters that have no more respect for the place or hogs that you stocked 30 years ago.

3. I have also met some of the finest people I know.(not a negative)

4. Fla. has already closed down baypens & I have not kept track of who else has done it.

I agree with mike, i wouldnt let them show up, they could twist the event in any direction they want it. I would hav to respectfully decline their request

I learned my lesson with National Geographic. When they get through cutting and pasting the film, they can make everyone involved look like idiots or cruel or whatever else they want. I would not do it.

Bad idea.

This is the worst thing you could do.  If only one dogs bites a hog they will show it over and over and tell how curel this is and you let it happen.

I agree, because I have been there many times, thay say that you will see what they will show but fact is you only get to see it when it's on the TV and you can't even remember what they show and how bad it looked and they keep showing it over and over.  

Very well put. Cajun

I don't mean to sound negative but that is probably the absolute worst idea I've ever heard!! Dog hunters have enough problems as it is!

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As much as I would love to see it being glorified on tv and for them to show the true sport and family pastime that it is. I wouldn't take a chance with a big name place like that being if PETA found out they could offer animal planet a stupid amount of money to make baypens look evil and then poof, bend over and grab the ankles! I was thinking yes before until I remembered how the world is now. So my answer is no, don't do it

i am going to give you guys a little of what our lawyers and theirs have aggreed there will be nothing aired i dont not want aired, boarsnest has full editorial rights legaly they can not show anything we do not wish for them too, also at a bay pis en there r no catch dogs this does not just mean the pitt, terrier, dogo, etc specifically this means all breeds of dogs that catch, if a person is nobay t smart enough to know this they have no business with a dog in a pen, yes bay pens have gotten a bad light because they have been run behind doors like chicken fights instead of the legal livestock activity such as a rodeo that it is, people that hunt woods will always think e dogs r better than any pen dog and vise versa but anybody that has hunted with me knows i got huning dogs, anybody that hapbayd with me will tell u the same of my pen dogs, no matter how u shake it its all in the sport we all love and support on all ends nr just the end ur on is what will keep this sport alive for our kids, we would never do anything to harm the sport that our family lovesr just hoping to put it in a better light and show what it really is not what people think it is. therell be no blood no catch nothing negative in any manner or aspect.

I don't care how professional the bay pen is run, there is ALWAYS a dog that catches/bites the hog. 

I guess the real question is the law going to come after... The pen owner, the dog owner, or both.

You may have editorial rights to the footage, but what about when the cameraman turns some footage over to the law. 

well this is why we r asking for pros and cons i appreciate all input this is a great place for it i will be using all the input thank you guys i can always depend on ethd

Can we depend on u to make the right choice for all the dog hunters ?

Ive never been to ba baying where no dogs caught out.

What's the show about that this will be aired on?

I agree...somehow someway it will be ammo for the anti's...

anyone remember etoile'huntington area baying contest? Also had some catch and tie back then and somehow some photos made it in the national enquirer and a few other of them weekly/national magazines...I knew right away what was fixing to happen the first time I heard about it...I stopped going to the contest when they started catch and tie...

baying contest will be next...divide and conquer is how the antis operate...the brick wall comes down one brick at a time...don't look like it will at first... but it will come tumbling down...

I am not trying to be a nay sayer but there is no sense in helping the antis...

What about when a dog gets injured? Then you will be getting plenty of the wrong attention. Let them
film hunting under natural conditions in the woods. Baying may not seem too harsh to people who bay or hunt, but our opinions tend to favor what we think is the norm.

They used to have bay comps and catch and tie on the Indian reservation down here. Even though it was illegal in Florida they were allowed to do it. But anyways, the anti's got after them and they shut it down to the public.

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Anti's in Austin are telling me that they have gained the upper hand and the dog hunters will defete ourselfs.

It's outlawed in FL. all but Uncle Earls in LA.  I have been too and entered a lot of bayings and have never seem one where no dog, at some time, didn't put their mouth on the hog.  Only takes one.  I have had film crews come sign contracts and I have yet to see the film before it came out on TV.

Hope you have looked at everything really close, good luck.

 you have no more editorial rights to the footage and whats aired, than u have the right to walk into the austin capital building and say since i pay taxes, this building is now mine. you can edit, view, edit view all you want, and the tv producers and editors can fix it to where it was an OOoooppps, we didnt catch that, and now its to late.


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If its the same place, that was the first time I had ever seen any dogs on hogs. Had a guy rodeoing over her with us that was from Florida and ran dogs. He heard about it somehow, and we went one weekend. That should have been around 1992 or so. The only thing I can remember was a big ole Greyhound catch dog they had there.

why would you want to put it on national tv anyway? its no way it would help with anything. i remember when they use to have a catch competion around here everyhouse within 100 miles had bulldogs and the people that hunted couldnt find any without having to pay 500$ and when the law shut it down it was free bulldogs everywhere. which is not the point. im just saying i dont see how anything that could help us come from putting it on tv, i think it would be alot better to keep the general public out of it.

I'm sure their lawyers have been down this road a few times.  They will edit it and air it however they want and there won't be a thing to do about it.  Heard y'all had a good bay pen down there.  Sure hope this doesn't ruin it and others as well.  Bad decision if you ask me.

As bad as I would love to sit down an watch a tv show bout hog huntin an bayin I vote No. Had a good bay pen around here, got alot of attention and eventually got shut down.

Pride's a Hard thing to turn down, But think about the Sport and the people more than A chance to be on TV. Hope you make the right Decision!  :-\

Call Mr. Mason, or PM me and Ill send you my #. I know he has done the TV thing, and so have I. And I'd bet we have the same advice... DON'T DO IT!

I got lucky, it was a History Channel show and production was subbed outside of California, to an open minded production crew. The effective portions of my contract were adhered to, and no harm came of it. BUT, I'm telling you from experience... I didn't get the final cut as was contractually stipulated. Even though it turned out fine, the result could have been really bad. Between the producer, editor, editing company, casting company, and every other involved entity, all they did is point fingers at each other for the " contractual oversight". Once "it" is aired, the damage is done. It does not matter what the contract says.

PS: I have both personal and corporate attorneys on retainer, and they wrote my contract. It was air tight. but again, once it is aired...

Steve

I remember seeing a dog catch out at the last baying down there...

Dont think I've been to a baying where Atleast one didn't....

If you say you don't want to hurt the sport, you may want to take the advice the majority has already given you...

my 2 cents.   if ya wanna show the world what HOG DOGGIN is dont do it in a pen cause that aint doggin.its not a sport its a COMPETION

Very bad idea Facebook and you tube are bad enough jmo h

Please listen to everyones advice... And decline ! Nothing good can come of it !

I vote "NO" also. I've not seen ONE good thing come from any of the t.v. shows only BAD!!!!!

I'm from Florida were bay pens are illegal, there is no getting the buddies together and go spectate. There is no load my own dogs up and go compete. It sucks ! We don't even have dog sales here we have to drive to the winter classic in Ga. every year. the only event they have any where I can find they have a fake bear up a tree or coon with scent on it attached to a pull rope and its for hounds only. And it's boring. That's just for as far as events go. As for actual hunting goes you better have your own private land. Or you can get on a $1200 lease that's only good for hunting season. All of the wild life management areas do not allow any dog to pursuit a hog. only limited 3 day quota hunts that you have to apply and pay for and might not even get. My point is its extremely hard for guys to hog hunt around here and it's because it was advertised by the wrong person to the wrong person in the wrong way!   don't get what y'all already have takeing away!

Don't do it for the sake of the sport ! Worst thing that could happen!  just look what they are doing to guns now.

I also feel that photos taken after the hunt with a couple dogs in the pic and the catch dog is full of blood and the hogs ear is all bloody
doesn't do our sport any good. Also pics where the catch dog is latched on to the hogs ear while we are actually out in the field isn't
good.  Ever wonder why there is just a few of us hog hunters from South La.? Because the mentality has changed here. People hate hunting dogs. I know people with big pieces of property that hogs are rooting up. When I ask if I could hunt it they say sure. When they
find out we want to use dogs they change their mind. I'm 50 now, but when I was growing up every one hunted with deer dogs. Now just
a very few people do. Every year in the legislature it is brought up to ban hunting dogs. So far they shoot it down but one of these years
it's going to past. Youtube, Facebook, Hunting Shows, Hog Hunting Pics shown in bad taste, and the big one, TRESPASSING on property
we have no business will end this sport. It will end.  When ? I don't know but it will. It will end when them state legislatures feel pressured by the property owners who are getting their fences cut and pressured by their anti-dog hunting constituents.  The younger generation
of hunters feel it's their right by-golly to post any picture they want. Them anti-hunters can just kiss their country arsses. The younger
hunters enjoy making videos of everything but it's hurting the sport of Hog Dogging. I'm not picking on the younger hunters.
   Oh, and one last thing. You know what else is brought up in the Louisiana legislature every year ?  The antis try and ban Uncle Earls.
Uncle Earls only exists because there is still some older good ole boys in the legislature. Once them good ole boys retire from the legislature, who knows how it will go. We better all think things through before we post pics and videos and let TV crews film us. I'm a firm believer of "Out of Sight, Out of Mind". 

I wouldnt allow them to come, it would be nothing but bad news in the end IMO. 

X2 evidentially you're more worried about making a name for your bay pen. Do us hog hunters a favor and don't do it! It's hard enough now to get places to hunt and dealing with critics saying you're abusing the dogs/hogs blah blah blah. I think everyone on here has agreed not to do it. Guess we ll see if you listen and take our comments to heart and realize you'd be hurting the hog dog community or if you disregard what was said and get caught up doing what you might think will "help" your pen thrive cause its been on tv. I wouldn't be surprised seeing your bay closing after the viewing. Good luck.

jimco has awesome points....i also agree with don't do it!

Stick to the rivers and the lakes that you are use too. Trust me I would love to be able to sit back and watch bay's on TV but look at what the anti's have done to greyhound racing, most tracks have been shut down, only a few left. Dog hunting will be next. It is already illegal to  hunt hogs in TN with dogs.

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There are 2 types of people I don't trust no matter what side of the fence they are on....Lawyers and TV producers... Don't do it.

well we are on page 3 now, and nobody has thought it was a good idea.

You do know Animal Planet has the series "Animal Cops" right??

All it will take is one dog catching out while they are filming and we may be seeing you on there...

Then it's Bye Bye Boarsnest and possibly all the others!!!!!   :o

I know that I myself sure as hell would not go to this event if in fact Animal Planet is indeed going to be there filming. I'd want no part of it. Countless folks on this thread have made very valid, legitimate points as to why it is a bad idea.

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Don't do it. We already have enough negative spotlight. Take them to the woods atleast!!
Here's a article I found while googling Uncle Earls Hog Dog Trials... The Human Society has a show called "Animal Cops" and I think you should read this article from them maybe it will change your mind.

http://www.humanesociety.org/issues/hogdog_fighting/facts/hog-dog_bloodsport.html

THAT ARTICLE IS SCARY LOGAN! DANG THEY DONT EVEN APPROVE OF A PIG SCRAMBLE!!!

Wow, article is well wrote trying to dissuade anybody to agree with this blood thirsty sport. Lets all just not catch another single hog, and let them overtake their sub-divisions and cities to where they are afraid to even make it to their hybrid car.

Boy that article strikes me wrong. Dont be that guy that gives them more fuel to their fire Only to fuel your Pride. You wanted opinions and you got em, a unanimous NO.   

I would love to see the dogs work but at the same time I do see the points made by others. Bay pens are not the light that needs to shined. In an open hunt atleast u could spotlight the control aspect and that what we do helps wildlife and preserves natural areas and the ecosystem. Even with this angle it is only a matter of time before a dog gets hurt. Once that happens all bets are off. Personally I don't see the problem with pics of dead hogs but I don't care for the pics of the bay or catch. In these cases IMO they could be shown as harassing the pig regardless if someone is trying to finish the deal swiftly. I just don't feel that there is any way to ensure that the baying can only be shown in a positive light. Much less we are all ready a bunch of blood thirsty rednecks so gonna be hard to change that view.

They don't see hogs as we do, they've never had a hog tear up they're fields, ruin hay fields and crops. One thing that strikes me wrong is when they say we "force" the dogs to go after the hog. I've seen puppies first time hammering down at 9-10 weeks!! Just be careful what you say! And be careful what you post. We don't need to see pics of dogs getting stapled up or with bad cuts and blood.

boarsnesthogdogs what do you think of the input?

Bad bad bad bad bad bad Ideal.  They will find a way to twist it .  All it takes to set off a stick of dynamite is a spark and it will blow up in your face.  Thats exactly what this is .  It may not happen in a week , month are even a year but bad is coming some way are another you can bet on that .

I heard about this from a buddy today and luckily I saw this. First thing I said to him when he told me well how is it going to be shown positive or negative. Let's put it simply. Uncle Earls is coming up and its the biggest in the country right. As soon as you walk through the gate its automatically no cameras no exceptions. There is a reason for that I say its a very very bad idea... with all the other laws on the fence and the way the antis are on the full push lately you probably couldn't anything more harmful to the sport than this. Best of wishes I was planning on coming out but if they are there I won't be

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It would be a hell of a thing if they aired this thing and never showed you what was being aired and this thing blew up into one hell of a mess .  A mess that shut down all bay pens and maybe also lead to hunting hogs with dogs banned are outlawed.  If this was me I could not live with myself to know I might have caused all of this .  You never know this could happen and man o man I dont even have the words if it did.

Ask yourself could you live with yourself if this sort of thing happened ?

Agree with everyone on this one! BAD IDEA!!

Am I the only one who caught the TLC reference?? LOL

Definately a bad idea! You might think it will make your bay pen famous, but it possibly could bring the sport to its end!

Hey Cody I have read everything posted you know what I think.don't do it.gov know you are our good friend and usually are there on the spot to help anyway or time you call and you have done the same for us but I can just see this playing out in my head...yes they may do what they say and only air what you say they can but all these so called animal lovers are going to get all stired up just watching it and it's going to get out of hand..it's like other people have said it will eventually lead to the end of bay own comp in Texas as well and I enjoy coming there and would hate to see this happen..hope you got the answers you where looking for

This almost gets as good as a DOGO topic lmao :D :D

I hope you dont do it. I do know if I pulled up and a TV crew was thier I would load my dogs up and leave. It can bring all kinds of problems to the competors and to the by standers.

If I have a vote, I'd have to say no as well. All this talk has also got me wanting to go and change up our video or possibly delete it just because of the overwhelming feed back being against the idea. It's all good to be able to show our fellow hunters that enjoy watching stuff like that, but I think everyone is right... when it comes to the antis they will eat that up, and then come back for more trying to shut everything down. This is just more ammo for them to use against us all. Good luck!

Can we do a poll on the topic  ;D

I vote NO . Gotta play smart.

To preserve our tradition game.

Just my 2 cents.

Well that's four pages of all "No" my vote is no as well. Why broadcast it all over the world when there are so many people against it? Now days if you so much as injure an animal you could go to prison or end up in a lawsuit . Don't ruin the great sport of hog doggin!

  been settled a while back .

Everybody in the news media is a no good rat. Do not do it or you will rue the day you ever laid eyes on them. They all have an agenda and all of them lie. By the time they get through cutting and editing you will probably get arrested or worse.

Wow guys stop beating a dead horse. Read through these post before you reply

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