EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

We hunted the Gator Country tournament this year. The team was Van Dorn, Cward, Murray, Jake & Mathew Fernandez. Marshall, JJ, Clint & I were helpers along with Rowdy & Loretta. When we called up there to sign up, the lady told Erik that the number of teams to sign up this year was down 30% because not everyone was agreeing with the new  rules. We decided to go ahead and enter since we had a good place to hunt and would be hunting anyway.

Friday night Boogie, Jett & Sally had a pig killing party until 1am when they finally got everything caught.

Saturday morning with heavy eyelids &  everyone dragging their feet we struck out hunting. It was going along about 10 am before the first hog was caught and from then on it was nonstop action til about 4pm. Mathew had a good bay with 2 Barrs together. It was 45 min-hour long wait before we could get a bulldog to him... Because someone forgot to take their phone with them lol. They said jakes white bulldog hit that first hog so hard, it knocked it down to his knees where the rest of the cur dogs jumped on. From there a few boys flew in and form tackled that monster. Dogs relayed a 100 yards further and bayed the other Barr, which they quickly caught. As I'm going to the dogs bayed in a mile to the north with Marshall & Chance. JJ, mathew, clint and Jake called to say they caught the two barrs that went 260# and a 326# & for us to tighten up and deliver our own bigggun. It wasn't long before we were within hearing distance of two of Mathews and one of Jakes dogs hammering down in a briar/switch cane thicket. The way they were barking we could tell it was a big hog. On the count of 3 we turned Obama and Cwards bulldog to them. The cane thicket literally  blew up like an atom bomb as this hog meets the catch dogs head on. For about 45 seconds I watched as those bulldogs faught to get a good hold. I could already see Obama was cut down good but he was still fighting to hang on to the piece if the right ear, while chance's had a gorilla hold on his nose. Finally we got him caught and tied. Only then did we realize how big the sob was. Truly a monster, Mack-daddy hog. He only had one ear and the other was cropped extremely short. Obama got it pretty bad by almost having his tail cut off and a nasty cut through the vest and up into  his chest cavity. we arnt sure how many but he has multiple broken ribs and is still touch & go. hopefully that tough daddy didn't marry mommy will pull through, but even if he does he will be out for months or more with the broken ribs. When the dust settled we had tied 14 on Saturday with 3 good Barrs, lots of sows/shoats and a few boar hogs.

Day 2
We were in sows and pigs from the start. 6-8 small hogs later it was coming on about noon and time to goto the weigh in.

We ended up winning the big Barr side pot that paid out $700.  We declined to weigh in the rest of the hogs as we could sell them for more money than turning them in. The largest Barr and smallest both went to some of our landowners for sausage


Driving home Saturday evening we sat back and reflected on everything. Even though we just caught one of the biggest hogs of our life and with 2 other man size hogs, there was still this bitter feeling of disappointment;  in having a hellacious stringer of 5 hogs we can't weigh. The three Barrs would have weighed 977# on their own.  People said that a Barr side pot would be the answer to this,  but this hunt shows you can have the side pot but still get royally screwed. Why???? There was never a problem before with these tournaments;  While I don't think bad intentions were involved  with the new rules, we have clearly shown that it is inherently flawed.  This isn't some fishing tournament where the only damage you are worried about is a sun burn, or carpal tunnel syndrome from reeling the fish in. Hog hunting is real life danger for you and your dogs. At any moment it could be the end of your dogs life. Dogs can be gutted or put out for months by hogs that you can't do anything with. You don't know the feeling of total helplessness when you go through all that work of catching a huge hog live, getting him tied and out of the woods only to have him not count; not to mention your dogs being out for months after the damage they cause.  I know not everyone agrees with us. All I can ask you to do is close your eyes and imagine it is you hunting a tournament, and that's your dog getting gutted, cut down or possibly even killed by a huge hog that won't even count. How do you feel now?!?

In 3 tournaments this year we have caught a total of 8 Barr hogs and absolutely zero of them were cut and released by us or team members. That should prove that we can't help but catch whatever the dogs stop and bay.

Legal Disclaimer: these are just my opinions on the issue of tournament hunting and Barrs.

 Thanks for reading and for all the overwhelming  support from everyone else who agrees with us.

Congratulations to the winners, not trying to take anything away from them, they worked hard and caught the right hogs!! Fat boys won first, Mcvey took second and not sure about the rest

The biggest Barr weighed 401# after a 24 hour draw sitting in the trailer!!!

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Everyone with the smallest Barr
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401# Barr

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Very Nice!!  Hope Obama heals up quick...

Hot damn boys another real good haul! Them are some big daddy pigs for sure yal keep at it your doing what ya love and that's catching big hogs! Sucks knowing you had the weight to win it and not being able to weigh em good! Hope them dogs heal up bud!

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We all sat around talking about it. This hog was so old, it wouldn't have suprised any of us if he was cut 10+ years ago

Nice job and pics!!!

Great hunt guys, helluva weekend...y'all caught some studs!

Tony my friend, y'all put up a stringer of winners, cuaght the hog of a lifetime and those dogs hunted their butts off. Congrats!

As far as the barrs go, it makes me sick to my stomach that all that hard work has to go to waste.

Congratulations to y'all on some awesome hogs! It's truly a shame that you were'nt able to weigh them in your stringer. In fact , it's a disgrace ! I have about decided that I will not hunt anymore tournaments that don't allow barrs in the STRINGER regardless of how much I like the people that put the tournament on or how big the pot and prizes. I only catch at most 4 or 5 barrs a year and have never caught one for a tournament but when I do I want to be able to weigh it in my stringer. If it's an East or Central Texas tournament then it should alow barrs because there are alot of barrs in both areas. I believe that these tournaments are wrongly giving in to pressure from Texas J and the Trail of Tears. Prime example, and  I'm sorry if it hurts some feelings. I have said several times how much I think of the guys on the Fatboy Outfitters team and how much I like their tournament. I think alot of Clayton , Abel and the rest of the guys! Some of the nicest people I have ever had the pleasure of meeting ! But their tournament was on the same weekend as the 3W tournament and it was the 3W's first year. The 3W had over 10 more teams and had less than half the added money in the jackpot ! I had to work but the guys on my regular team wanted to hunt the 3W because it allowed barrs. I'm a TDHA member but I will be hunting the Blake Granbury hunt next weekend because it allows barrs. The guys on my team wanted to hunt it because it allows barrs and I am with them because 3 to 1 is a majority ! The TDHA can say what it wants to but long before the 2013 tournament rules were released Texas J stated, pretty confidently, in a post that the TDHA would not allow barrs in their stringer. I believe, the only reason they are allowing one barr in the stringer is because of the pressure that was applied by all of the people that was pro BARR ! It is obvious that Texas J had already talked to the BOD and convinced them to not allow barrs or he would'nt have been so confident as to state the TDHA's stance 2 months before the rules were released.  Just for the record I would, and am sure I will, lose a tournament to some big barrs but I would rather know I lost to the biggest baddest hogs and dogs in the woods than win and know that someone got their dogs wrecked on some barrs and were'nt allowed to weigh in. I've always been a very competitive person but I would rather get my butt kicked by the baddest dude on the block than say that I won against inferior competition ! That's just the way I feel and I'm sorry if it hurts anyones feelings but there is nothing that will be done to change my mind !

Helluva haul my friends!

I'm with Lance on this one... why even enter?

Gator Country and TDHA both changed their rules this year against barr hogs. If everyone would take a stand and not enter... I would imagine that both contests would re-think their rules for next year.

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We entered theses competions to try not to be sorry sports about what all we have posted. Mike im done with the no Barr competions after this year. I will say this I did not stand by the trailer at weigh in I stood away and watched people came to our trailer and was amazed by the real trophies in the trailer. The people just had to see how big this hog was he was a one of a kind. We did not complain we accepted the prize for biggest Barr. We got congratulated on our hunt before we even weighed in. To me it was like we won but didn't get the award by the tournament. Gator country did a good job of entertaining they had alot to look at for the kids. I think gator country could be one of the best tournaments out there if it allowed barrs in the stringer.  The hunt was great. It was another great hunt with good friends. We have some great stories that we will never forget.
One good one is that we had a split bay Mfkennels and Rowdy went together to a bay Rowdy is my 12 year old boy. Neither had a phone so they were separated from us for over two hours we had no clue where they were. I was only imaging what they were into. Both are pretty head strong. We were joking on what they convinced each other to do. Lol  They showed back up in one piece.
Walking over a mile to get to the dogs baying that big Barr was a,nightmare of its own. Then getting him out was no easy chore.
Great people great times.
Congratulations to fat boys on there win.
Congratulations to Cole mcvey for there second place win. Good jobs.
Good to see everyone and meet all the New people at the gatherings.

Another great hunt guys!  Hope the CD pulls threw.   

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Lol Chance we went to my 3 dogs bayed and they had a nice boar hog bayed. Maybe 250lbs but he kept on walking with the dogs. Ask rowdy about it. We were trying to get up close enough to rope him but he kept braking. Rowdy was telling me that we should go ahead and jump on him. I started laughing and i told him to call your dad and he said with what? He said i dont have my phone.

 Good hogs ! That is one big barr.


      Hope the bulldog makes a good recovery

You got to watch that boy. If he can get close he will make a move even if its the wrong move.lol I knew there would be some talking going on between ya'll two. He is a mighty fine hand I just have to becareful with him he will catch a big hog with no help. For the people who don't know Rowdy he weighs 85 pounds thinks he is 10 foot tall and bullet proof.

Chance why do y'all won't to give away those barr's at a tournament? I hope y'all stay away from my neck of the woods.I have cuaght 2 over 300 and turned them back because i don't need them to eat.I cut alot of hogs every year.

Bull of the woods right there!  Great job and a lot of hard work right there, now y'all quite giving them your money, they will get the picture when nobody enters. Until then your just supporting their cause. Can't complain about the team and keep buying tickets to watch em play.

We only turn them in at a tournament. The two barrs that could not be turned in we made sausage out of both.

To all of you who won't enter contest because they don't except barrs!!

I believe that just goes to show how much you need barrs to win a contest. If you cannot go hunting in a spot that does not have barrs and catch real hogs that can compete with everyone else then sell your dogs and Please find another hobby. Stop trying to blame all the ppl who have eliminated barrs from contest, it's not there fault they have real dogs that can compete in a hunt without having to worm there way to the leader boards by catching barrs that naturally should have nuts and weigh alot less. If you think I'm wrong by saying this think again, not everyone has barrs on their hunting spots but I do believe everyone does have boars. So if you don't want to get involved in contest that don't allow barrs then apparently you can't hang with the real hog hunters. Sry to be that harsh but this has been talked about way to much on here. I'm not calling anybody out or trying to make anybody look bad just shedding a little light. These contest are supposed to be so dog and man can compete FAIRLY against other hunters without having to cheat to beat everyone else. If you don't think that is cheating then go rob a store cuz apparently stealing is ok also !!

With all due respect fella, a quick view of your profile shows a post you made back on 9-11 where you cuaght a 250 something pound hog an a 400 pounder and you specifically said it's was "odd to catch two good ones in one night", once again, with all due respect, your talkin crap to a whole team full of guys who do that on a f'n regular basis and don't find it odd.

How old are you? You sound like a little kid by the way you talk with absolutely zero validity to any of your comments. Just because you don't have Barrs on your hunting spots that makes you a better hunter or better dogs?!? That makes zero since. You contradict yourself with so many of your comments it's not even funny


Haha how do you think Barrs became to not have nuts?? Because someone caught them as a BOAR and cut them out.

You must be another city-slicker hog hunter

I'd go on but I'm sure there will be enough over people step in and take their swing

Oh yeah and you don't nearly have enough money in the bank to buy our number 2ty Barr dogs, sorry if I hurt your feelings but the truth hurts

The simple fact that people have had to change the rules in order to make competitions more competitive is a joke! Barrs have been a part of life for 100's of years, I'm sorry that got the short end of the stick when it came to common sense

A hog is a hog is a hog in my opinion!!! Does a barr hog fight less or give up more easily or bay up better!! NO NO NO....Barrs are more often times than not more challenging and dangerous to catch than boars!! I was entered in the tournament and only caught one sow so I didn't bother to weigh in...but let me tell u if I had caught a stringer full of barrs I would been a little aggravated for them not to count!! If u don't have barrs where u hunt then its times to stop sticking em and start cutting and releasing!! ;D

The Original SetxHogDogs

I think dude just stepped in a pile of rattle snakes... ;D

Sure ain't the brightest fella here for sure!!!!

With all due respect both those hogs I caught had nuts, it is odd to catch a 400 lb hog with nuts after catching 100's before catching him. So if you say you catch 400 pounders with nuts all the time then hunt a contest without barrs and win it fair and square.

If you caught a hog that was a boar why did you cut him? Because he wasn't a big hog that would win contest, so you cut him so he would get big making it easier to win. Sure barrs fight like boars might be harder to catch sometimes but it's not how it's supposed to be. I can't help that no one down here cuts hogs because they would lose their spots in a hearbeat, so how am I supposed to compete in contest with barrs when there's none to catch. It's only fair to enter boars. If it's that big a deal to ppl then go put on a barrs only contest so you can compete fairly against other ppl who catch barrs.

Caney creek..... you just fell of the short bus huh??   I don't think you get it and don't expect you will.

Caney creek we cut hogs to make them bigger and taste better I don't think any of us do it to win tournaments we enter them for fun and to have a good time a hog is a hog cut or not and I see you to be one that thinks he has some good dogs come turn em loose on a barr hog up here in are country and see the out come Han.....

Ok ok ok, see, now I get that your just frustrated and know that you don't have barrs in Wharton and believe it or not (in Brazoria county myself)  I actually sympathize with you.

Problem is you came on originally saying basically a big F YOU to this whole team AND said that they couldn't compete, they didn't have real dogs, they should sell their dogs and take up a new sport and on and on, that part is gonna be harder to just take back.

Maybe, some people Barr hogs because it's a dang tradition and they want big gnarly EDIBLE sausage hogs and it's tradition for them. If you couldn't help but catch barrs,
How would you feel?

MAn, you just opened a can of worms...........................


   

Not sure if this is the right place to post this. But all my dogs are forsale. I just found out they are culls.  These dogs will find bay and stay with any hog but they will also find barrs. Willing to trade for a boar dog only. The reason for selling these dogs cause they find to many hogs especially barrs. The price will vary on them.
They are inbred also. Some have scars from barrs to prove they bay barrs.
One of these days I will figure this dog thing out.
I'm going to see if I can spend my summer with caney creek so I can get educated on what makes a boar dog.
These dogs are also help dogs they help catch barrs.
I hope I covered what all they do. But if i missed something ask I will tell you more about them.

Chance them yella Barr dogs ain't no count for huntin your ants or Tien boar hogs gonna have to get you some hienz 57  boar dogs that's the only way to go for them tournaments yal chest in when yal drop Yals Barr dogs down...!!

 ??? put the pipe down danny  ???

Colton, put down the Kool-aid!

How the hell can you call catching barrs cheating? Cutting boars has been going on as long as there have been hogs in America! And way before there were ever any hog hunting tournaments!

I have been hog hunting for 15 years, and was taught if you don't eat it, leave it on it's feet. What that means is, sure one land owner might not want the hogs turned loose on there property, but the police don't won't you to speed either! Cutting a couple nuts out so you can eat that hog in a couple years if you were lucky enough to ever catch it again, will never hurt anything, that hog will no longer breed or reproduce! Just don't tell the land owner! I promise that cut hog will be miles from where you release him in just a few hours! So for you to say we cut the boars for tournaments is way out of line! And the farthest thing from the truth that  I have heard about all this anti-Barr b.s.! If it were not for those old timers teaching us those ways of hunting, you younger Internet age hog hunters would have to be coon or opossum hunting because there would not be any hogs in the woods!

Do you really think that there are barrs around ever briar thicket? To us they are like a Boone & Crockett buck, there just aren't that many of them! Our dogs, are hog dogs, not just boar dogs, there job is to find, bay and catch whatever hogs are in the woods! So whatever hogs are in the woods should count in a contest is our argument!

We have hunted in several tournaments over the years, placing in some and winning some. Each time we won we did NOT catch a single Barr! So you might want to check your facts before you invade our thread about our tournaments results, and especially calling us cheaters!

Im gonna say this with all due respect to everyone on here with no intention of ruffling feathers. The statement about getting real dogs because they find barrs not boars is a joke. I meet them this weekend and i know they have good dogs. However i will say the barrs i have got though not that many have been much easier to catch most never taking a step from where they are struck. This is honest question to the guys that say they cut boars not to win tournaments but to make good eating why is it you dont take them home cut them and feed them out to eat them? The fact you cut them to eat later is not in my opinion why you cut you cut them to catch bigger toothy hogs for trophies. Why would you cut a hog to eat turn it out never knowing if you are going to catch it again? Most cut hogs to catch bigger trophies which may not be meant to win tourny but that is what they are meant to do grow bigger faster and bigger teeth. I dont however think this make your dogs culls or not real because they find barrs that is a ridic comment. That being said i dont have a problem with the no barr rule because that hog is not natural to nature it has bein altered to grow bigger faster. Its like saying a fighter that trains naturally is a boar and a barr is a fighter on steriods which would in fact be an unfair advantage most would agree because he has altered himself to grow bigger stronger and faster. Which is how i see the barr rule they are not naturally that big so i dont have a problem with the rule.

Now that being said this has no relation to your dogs in anyway. Just my opinion not meant to ruffle any feathers.

I agree no one is a cheater for catching barrs. If you believe that you catching and cutting boars is the reason why hogs are still around is ridic. Think about what you said if you catch and cut 100 hogs a year that you barr you saved 100 hogs they can no longer reproduce so they have no impact on the population anymore because they cant breed. If stabbing every hog we caught would eliminate the population then they wouldnt be the fastest growing problem in the US. Bc im willing to bet a ton more hogs get killed every year than get caught and turned loose and it has made no impact in the population. And it will never hurt anyhting is it your land that the hog is destroying or your crops he is eating so infact he is hurting someone just maybe not you directly

The statement just dont tell the land owner is why hog hunteres have a bad name.

I'll tell you why I personally don't bring them home and raise them to eat,

#1 it costs Money to feed a hog and I can barely feed my own big butt. Lol

#2 I have a wife and daughter and don't want some mean Barr hog at my house

#3 I like catching hogs and really like catching big ones.

I will tell you guys this. If i wanted the hogs gone on my places I have to hunt they would be gone. In easttexas we have been working hogs along time and still do it. Every place I have that wanted the hogs gone they are gone. I will make rounds through these ranches just to check. There might be a few move in but as soon as they do we clean house. Look at our numbers. More than 15 hogs a day on our hunts. If i did that every day well we wouldn't have any hogs. Also you have to remember in our part of Texas we like hogs. There are not many white tail deer and the hogs are good for the gun hunters to hunt.

Barring hogs is a settlers tradition, it started as a way of life.  To be able to put quality meat on the table to feed the family, without having to put precious resources into the animal to have edible meat.  (surviving on the land)  man and animal alike.  My biggest problem with the whole Barr hog rule is what rule next?  Feedlots, corn feeders game cameras, syrup tubs, no yellow dogs, no hounds, catch dog size, line-breed dogs,pound dogs, river bottom hogs, sows with teeth, no Dogos, what next?  Hell if you want to hunt competitively grow some and hunt, this ain't California!  & I ain't a Democrat, and if you want to take my guns you sure better grow some!!!!

I'm PRO-Barr and I don't hunt tournaments so that shoots that theory right outta the water  ;)

If anyone says they don't like catching a Barr hog, then they've never caught one.  Hogs are livestock, they oughta be worked like livestock when it's feasible.  Not everyone will agree with that statement, and it kills me to see pictures of a bunch of dead hogs that go to waste, but I don't say anything.  

The only thing these rolling pine hills is good for is raising cattle and hogs, and I guess the occasional white-tail.

there ya have it folks popo

Not saying it right wrong nothing but most comments on here have been about me me me. So you have hogs to hunt which i understand because people like to shot them eat them and hunt with dogs all of which i love to do. But what about the land owners that the hogs you cut go to and eat there crops destroy the field and take food off of the table. What about those people that the barrs effect are your ambitions to catch hogs for yourself weigh more than the farmer that cant pay the bills because the hogs killed his crops? This is all just questions im interested in everybodies though process here. personally i would kill every hog and never hunt them again if it would help the farmers survive and feed their families bc in the long run they feed me as well.

I will say this. That piece of property you are hunting in point blank if he gave me open range to hunt it there would not be any hogs left on it in 3 months. I hunted it one day took two hogs off with young dogs. I didn't even know anything about that land. The reason I was ask to come hunt that place is because I removed hogs for another rancher friend of his. We cleaned house. I only release where im allowed. Remove where im ask to. I did not release any of those hogs that came out of point blank and i never will do to his request.

If i recall correctly you spent 8 hrs there friday night and left with not a single hog tied. Im not here to argue with anyone because there are a few things i could say but are no bodies business and im not here to fight with anyone. So lets just leave it at that. Young dogs hey because i recall you telling me your best gyp was there and kept rolling out and out so lets leave this as it is and move on. The hogs in point blank flat run. I started on his pasture line and went all the way to the lake which was 5.63 miles exactly in one direction and i run rough dogs 200lbs and down 2 dogs will catch. Im not saying it cant be done but i have hunted there with rough dogs loose dogs other peoples dogs and never seen more than 4 hogs taken in one hunt.

Whooo-weeee, you can cut the tension in this thread with a butter knife!

What about that possum that y'all's dogs were running when JJ caught them lol

And actually you are correct they did not tie anything, but the dogs killed over a half dozen pigs & stayed in them for hours

Internet arguing is hilarious to me. So many people can just sit back and hide behind a screen name and say whatever to stir the pot when they have no business. People get on here and comment on issues that they have no clue about. People that know all of us, know we are genuinely good sportsman that enjoy hog hunting and amazing dog work; & we show it week in and week out by putting lots of hogs in the trailer.

We hunt for the fun. I agree we won't enter anymore tourneys after this year that don't allow Barr hogs. This will be our 4 or 5th year of hunting tournaments. And before that we still hog hunted like crazy, now we just do it because the tournament weekends usually end up some of the best hunts of our life with great friends.

I just hope our experiences have brought the light to people about the problems with excluding any hogs from a tournament.


The best thing about this weekend is we have the 401# Barr on 2 seperate go pro's, its not the best footage but you still get the full experience. we will be able to relive that day for the rest of our lives. Hopefully we'll have the videos put together by the end of the week. Our video chronographer will start working on it tonight

Bring out the (POPCORN)!!!!! >:D

The good thing about barring a hog is the neighbor next door can catch that fat
sucker and eat him too!!! The good thing about a Barr hog is good cutters for the trophy room and lots
of meat!!! If you cut the ears off shame on you I don't want my dog getting wrecked, been their,done
that. :'(  Everybody had to of read the rules before they entered the tournament, Don't we think
we have enough problems by people exposing the bad part about hog hunting with dogs than a Barr hog
or Boar hog!!


By the way Good hog!!! ;)

Easttexasoutlaw33.. You are a funny guy. I recall your dog running to our ranger while chasing a possum. And yal said yal were just running a hog and that yals dogs are addicted to 4 wheelers and will pull off a hog to just come back. Then before that we listen to yals story about catching a 450-550lb boar hog.. Really? Come on Now! Grow up!

See that where your wrong I didn't say anything make sure you have the right guy before you say things. As for the boar ask Sammy lane what he was

Fellas, we're talking about barr hogs, not possums... keep it on track. ;)

DRAMA..DRAMA..DRAMA...... ;D

Mike. Hows your morning goin? Havent heard from you in awhile.

Just learning all about barr hogs from youngsters who know nothing about them. ;D

Same here. I might as well start coon hunting! Less Drama.. Need to sell my dogs anyways since they trash on Barr Hogs!

Y are y'all making it into A big deal if the contest doesn't allow Barr hogs then don't hunt it Don't know y'all but it sounds like y'all have some good dogs and a lot of country to hunt so it shouldnt be hard for y'all to find some good boar hogs if y'all are catching 15 hogs everytime ur dogs hit the ground

I guarantee most of them barrs was made barrs way before a tournament was even thought about.

All of this boils down to a bunch of jealousy. Just because you don't cut boar hogs nor have any Barr hogs on your property you think everybody else is cheating. If your that mad about it sounds like you need to either sell YOUR dogs and get a new hobby or start cutting boars. Easy as that.

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That was my thoughts....

Clint, I think it's the other way around, maybe y'all are jealous cuz you can't catch any good boars that's why y'all are complaining so much about not being able to use barrs in contest. Stop trying to put the shoe on the other foot. Realize ppl down here don't cut hogs because they actually help eliminate hog problems instead of making them eat more!! So we will never cut hogs to take advantage of, or as y'all say make them TASTE better!!!

Mfkennels for people that say hide behind a screen Yal dialog of it was my dog that came to u Im glad he did anywaysso I didn't have to go trespassing like Yal did on land I told u to stay of of so if the game warden calls me he will be let who Yal are not the guys that did it rite and waited  at the road and  guarantee my dogs want touch a possums if Yal problem Yal give me call I promise u this to Yal guys will never be back out there

Different areas call for different methods. If you had the opportunity and the places to cut hogs, you would. Clint is exactly right, the shoe fits where it fits, not where you want it to fit.  It's jealously and hog hunters are ate up with it.  Y'all are grasping at straws saying that barrs are made for tournaments when they're not, most who Barr hogs Barr them because they enjoy the sport, myself included. There's never been a problem with barrs until tournaments arose and people wasn't winning, so of course let's change the rules because people are jealous and whining and complaining. You can argue and say the dogs aren't good and the real hog hunters catch boars and that barrs are easy, but you're being laughed at because anybody with any sense knows thats the biggest load of BS ever wrote.

Last time I checked you had to catch a boar to make a Barr.

Getting serious i see.... ;D

No i just dont like people who run there mouth and dont know what you are talking about. When it comes to barrs and boar i dont care one bit but when you start. Talking number 2 about folks dogs that u have no clue about i have a weigh sheet on both hogs you think is a lie. So you need to get your facts straight before you run your mouth. it funny watch all yal whin about barr hog this and that. Also when comes to growing up im a 30 yr old man and i promise you i have caught as many or more bigger hogs the you but that not my point i do this for the love of the sport not to see if im better than other. my dogs i have now arent as  good as what i did have but i catch hogs and thats all that matter to me not the money or trophies none of that why i hunt. So jus leave my name out of this yal can all act like i bunch of liitle cry baby asses .

That last post  was made by me my cousin was login on my computer jus want verify that

Colton, i wasn't going to share my input till i just read this one..  Downing someone elses dogs is a low blow and very immature...  Leave it be man, i can stand up for Tony and Eric and I'm sure Chance because ive hunted with them one time which was enough for me..  I invited them up to my country where i have NO BARRS and we caught plenty of boars man.  I have caught one barr in my life and I bet I've been around longer by reading the SH&& you keep posting...  Voice your opioun on the barr post but bashing someones dogs after a awesome weekend of hunting is rediculous and i'll stand up for anyone ive hunted with when quotes start flying like that!  

I got a good question for you Colton, have you ever caught 20 even 15 hogs in a weekend?  

I hope you'll catch all the hogs that are causing the damage to farm, & crops.  If we only had 20% of the hogs we have it would eliminate 95% of the hog hunters.  That would make me happy  :)

Txhog, I  just hunted a contest caught 25 hogs, let's all make this real simple. Enter hallettsville and let the score sheet do the talking. If your not going to enter because of whatever then I don't think you need to be running your mouth how many hogs you can catch or not. Til those hogs are turned in at the contest it's all a bunch of talk!!! Not saying im going to win anything just saying if you catch all the hogs everyone says they catch they shouldn't be ashamed of entering.

I will be there with my team and if i understand correctly Chance and TOny and Eric will be there as well with there team, i deff don't think there scared and I'm deff not cause I have plenty of money to loose!  ;)  I'm just saying you might need to tone it down a little before you get barred in one of these contest! ;)  Good luck and i hope to meet you at the weigh in! 

 I think it is funny how you side in public but complain in private.


   Man , get out the rulers. Poachers , trespasser, back dooring .........y'all are getting rough now with the mud slinging.

I'll be there, hope all of you entering have a good and safe hunt, hope to see some big ones weighed in. Good luck see ya Sunday  ;D

I think the title of this thread is bad way to express the real topic at hand. Lol maybe it should be called the gator hunt/bitching thread. Hahaha

What about the SOWS men yall making them feel left out!!!! ;D ;D
Got my rubber boots on, S@#Ts getting deep!!! HAHA

I was thinking the same thing need to ban the sows also. That way yall can see who has the real boar dogs.
Wouldn't that be a shame for the guy who caught the 394 pd. sow if he couldn't enter it in a contest if he would have been in one.

Every body on this post needs quit talking about each other and just hunt.  It dont matter whos dogs are better than yours or whos trash on what.  B glad the good lord is letting you hunt. 

You are literally one of the most unintelligent people I have ever heard talk about hog hunting. I have caught some dandy boar hogs well over 300 lbs and guess what I done with them? Cut em.

And If you really wanna know my opinion I think the whole idea of a "hog hunting" contest is stupid. It's all turned into my dogs are better than your dogs BS.

 I like to go and cut boar hogs. Hell I don't even like carrying tie rope, much less drag one of them things out of the woods.  

I just read this entire post, its sad to see all of these hunters arguing with each other, really frustrates me. Between this and what happened in the splendora tourny with all backstabbing and behind the back bullnumber 2 I can guarantee you wont ever see this fatboy in any big tourney, ever.

Everyone, remember why we started this.......for the love of the game.... don't know about ya'll but I love this sport and hate hearing all of the arguing and seeing hunters divided. I widh all of you the best of luck in the woods.

And I quoted you because this is the best post in this thread and I agree with you 100%

How about them Oilers. Go blue!!

Damn Chance I leave you alone for a few months and you start all this chit!I'm glad I checked in.

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Agreed...

For my area I see barr hogs in a different way........

Being in area that is primarily crop land and pasture, It wouldnt take long for me to get run off if a landowner trapped or shot an abnormally amount of barr hogs and they thought I was the one doing the cuttin. With the cost of diesel, seed, feed, fertilizer, labor, equipment, livestock, and leases they just dont really look highly upon the practice.

If someone around here is cutting hogs to fatten them up so they can catch and eat. They are basically doing it on someone else's dime.

Thats not to say I'm against them being allowed in tournaments, we have done plenty of good in tournaments where they are allowed.

I will say this though. When I spoke to the TPWD Rep. who said he was primarily the one who made the decision to shut down hunting in the Sam Houston National Forest. The practice of barring hogs, along with dogs chasing wildlife and outlaw hunters tresspassing are some of the reasons he gave for his decision.

I've caught a few pigs over the years and have only caught 2 barrs, they were 2 of the biggest hogs Ive caught. I guess it just different areas, but there must be some serious management to catch several barrs in a general area. If you can do it and landowners are fine with it, Im all for it...

I don't think it's about catching or not catching a barr hog. Our land owners wouldn't let us back on there property. The idea for them is to get rid of them. Not to let them go and eat and destroy the land. Catch them kill them or take them with you. Don't cut them and leave them to get fat off my land and crops period. This is just the way it is were we hunt. Five years hunting not one barr hog. Now one land owner cut them off. Took them, and the dead hog home to eat.

I guess my humble and well thought out response to the argument of "we'd get run off for doing that" is....So what?


There's an entire portion of this state where they exsist and alot of Guys can't help but get on them.




Here's a thought for some, if we routinely cuaght 4, 6, or maybe even 8hogs  MOST OF THE TIME that we dropped dogs on the grain or pasture and took the hogs to a buyer or killed them in the feild or whatever you do with them AND provided proof to the owners that we were catching the number 2 out of hogs. KNOWING THAT most farmers ad landowners also like to shoot a big hog every now and then to eat or show off to their own buddies, doesn't it make since that after youve developed a relationship with that owner based on how badass of a hog catcher you are, that he'd be more likely to allow you the occasional trophy hog or at least look the other way ad take a few out himself for sausage??


There's a landowner I know of who said basically, " golly gee whiz, I didn't think you'd make them disappear, ive got another property for you, would you mind laying off this one till my sons get a chance to kill a few?".

Not trying to be a know it all or an A-hole guys, just posing the question invade some of yall haven't ever thought to ask. Be nice, I was being nice about it.

 Most weight over all. Wouldn't that work better for all ?



     T Bob has a point. So what if you can't cut boars on your hunting spots. Not other hunters problem.


 On the other hand. You can't weigh in more then one Barr hog. So what ? Bring in the biggest and let the others go.

 Man , I feel for the people who are figuring this out for next year. It is going to be hard to make everyone happy.

Speaking for me T-Bob, I can say that a conversation like you describe hasn't come up.....lol

The landowners I hunt for feed their families by money they make from what they produce, grow, and harvest. I've seen acres of corn layed down in a single night, hay fields torn up, hogs push in between yearlings at a feeder and acres of seed rooted out of the ground the day after it was planted. Im positive they do not farm / ranch just so I or they can hog hunt.  ;)

Their are plenty of big hogs to catch, without me adding any more in my area.

Like I said before, Im not knocking barr hogs, its just something I cannot do where I am at. Its a fast way to get a bad reputation which could jeopardize my permission to hunt on other places.

Im not trying to take anything away from the monster that Chance and them caught. Thats is a once in lifetime hog and truth be told, Im still trying to break the 400 mark myself. I would have loved to be in on that catch. They were hunting in an area where that is not frowned upon, I hunt in an area where the practice of barring hogs is. Simple as that....

I think a man needs to ask himself what's more important keeping a family tradition alive or winning a hog hunting contest? If its tradition keep on keeping on support the ones you feel like deserve it and forget the rest.

What is interesting to me is that here we have this thread which has 87 replies and 2023 views, and all it really is is another barrs or no barrs thread. Yet there is another post about different laws that are being developed to make what we do illegal. That thread has 3 replies and 173 views even though it was posted a day before this one. Perhaps we have our priorities in the wrong place. By the time we as hunters get done bickering and figure out wether or not barrs should be used to make sausage or win tournaments it might be illegal to even hunt them, or boars and sows for that matter. Perhaps it's time to place this energy somewhere it can do some good for all of us as hunters. I know I would much rather be able to hunt 365 days a year and not be forced to retire all od my dogs versus worrying about a 3 day tournament that no one is forced to enter.
Anthony

Anthony
 I am afraid your right.  All the bickering is getting old anyway.

This is why we did not enter this year!  ;D

Some of these post are funnier than your best bud having a one night stand with a Fat Girl!! Hell of a hog you boys put down, "catch as catch can" big hog trophies for sure congrats

Some fine Barr hogs fellas..
We like em around here.. :)

People have been Barring hogs for a long time, long before silly hog hunting tournaments came about.  And long before most of these anti bar folks learned how to hog hunt on the internet.  In my opinion, these tournaments are bogus anyway, and the fact that many of them removed bar hogs from eligibility is just more proof of that for me.

There are plenty of places in Texas where Barr hogs are accepted by land owners.  Places where there are no row crops to destroy........Pine timber land, range land, ect.  Places like that where a deer lease is a big part of income off a piece of land and having big Barrs around is just another way to make a hunting lease on that place more valuable for the land owner.  Barr hogs are relatively common in those places.

There are also places where barr hogs are not accepted by land owners.  Places where row crops are grown.  Barr hogs are not common in those places because they are not accepted by land owners.  Cutting hogs or turning hogs back loose would get you kicked off a place quick in those places.  Hog hunters know that and don't do it if they hunt on places that fit that bill.  But not all places are like this.  Those guys that cut boars, and catch allot of barrs do so because it is accepted practice where they are from, even tradition.  If you are jealous of that....its ok.  But that's no reason to run someone down, or make your self look foolish arguing against it.  Trust me, people like Cward, and tshelly would not be able to hunt the kind of properties it takes to maintain the quality of dogs they have if they were   cutting boars where it was not accepted

Long Live Barr hogs.

Waylon.

Mr. Waylon, I agree with your post, very well said. I also agree about what you said about Cward and Tshelly, it don't matter how many idiots get on here and talk bad about them guys......proof is in the puddin and they as well as the rest of their team are some hog huntin/catchin/cuttin fools..........I think half of these post come from pure jealousy directed at them........they may not be the best but they are deff. among the best as far as I'm concerned.......PICTURES DON'T LIE...............I think the most ignorant comment i've ever read on the internet came from this thread about their dogs ability to NOT catch boars LOL.....explain to me how the hell they catch barrs all the time....someone had to remove them piggie's testiculars  ;D and i'd be willing to bet that those men have cut PLENTY.......some people are just ate up with dumbass!

I'm not kissin anyone's ass, hell with exception of Mr. Ward gettin in touch with me over the phone a while back to warn me about a guy that was up to no good i've never even spoke to any of them........anyone that will take the time to fill in a stranger about shady business is a good people in my book!

I will also state that as far as the boar/barr rule goes I don't have a dog in that fight (I don't hunt tournaments and I cut boars where I can and kill em where I can't), I see both sides of the arguement and both sides have valid points but at the end of the day a hog is a hog is a hog, if it was caught in the wild by dogs then it should count BUT rules are rules and if the tourny rules say no barrs then it is what it is ..........just my .02............bored at work and ramblin