EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I have never hunted with a full Catahula I have allways hunted with and own BMC. I have been offered 2 Catahualas and just wanted to know some of y'all reasons for using one breed over the other and why?

   well I just love a leopard colored dog .  curs is curs good and bad in all of them .  as far as hunt goes  again cur dogs is cur dogs . I hunt with a buddy that has yeller dogs and the yellers and the cat's hunt the same , although I do think mine were better dogs   lol .

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The only dog you got that's Bmc is remy and I doubt he's full.

I've owned tons of both, can't complain too much about either. A good dog is a good dog! But I do think the bmc has more bottom. If I had to choose I would go bmc , but like them both

Hmmmmmm. How to answer this without coming over completely blind sided prejudice................Nah can't do it. :laugh:

 :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X....I'm not allowed to say it...  :'(

Chthoggin all I was getting at is I haven't hunted with catahulas so I wanted to see what other people had and there thoughts

Lol I'm gonna give it a shot we will see!

Catahoulas are like BMC's, most suck and ain't no hog dog, but when you get a good one in either breed, they're hard to beat  :laugh:

Tell us how u really feel Ben :)

 Nice observation there Ben.  Them words ought to be in bold type on that East Texas Hog Doggers Banner at the top of the page.

^^^^^  Your just grumpy Ben! Go hunting!

Boy howdy ain't that the truth.

People can be perfectly content and happy, catching hogs with their dogs and having fun doing it, then one day they go hunting with somebody who's got hog dogs and they are ruined.
Its like Being a Yankee, eating Yankee food, drinking Yankee soda pop, having Yankee hobbies and looking at malnourished Yankee women all your life and then you come to south and see how were livin, what were earing, taste a glass of sweet tea under a tin roof porch and look at the bam bam boom on these southern bred girls. You can go back north, but you'll be sore over it till you get back down here!!
  :D

lol. yes most southern men i know like there dogs, like there women, with plenty of BOTTOM;D;D;D;D

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If neither one has ALOT of bottom, they won't eat my groceries, just ask the ol lady  ;D

Dang T-Bob  I sure am glad my wife don't read this cause I keep comin back to Texas  every year and she thinks it's for the hog huntin. Wait it is for the huntin!

Terry and Ben both got it right.

   Never judge a dog by it's breed. Every dog is different.


I was content with my dogs for a few years. I am after better now. My older dogs work great but they lack some qualitys I want.


The taste in women is a whole new argument !

Ok thanks those are good points

I've always hunted both couldn't sit here and pick or choose but my best is 1/2 and 1/2..  DOn't matter to me on color or looks, i love both breeds and wil continue to hunt them both, i just like that Texas BOTTOM!!!  My main concern

both are pretty good workin dogs if you got right blood.  my opinion is yella dogs are way to over rated and good cats dont get enough credit.  i got
 a little of everythiing on my yard

Bmc all the way

if your culling through that many dogs you need to change something last litter of yello dogs i raised we culled one pup the rest are bayin hogs cant say the same for the last litter of jam up cats produced  2 good ones and 4 culls but will change that in a couple breedings lol

BMC all the way I want touch a spotted dog

Or maybe me and you differ on what a hog dog really is  ;)

Spots typically require a regiment of antibiotics. Hehe   :laugh:

Yep, that's what I was thinking...different standards.

The guy asked what is your reason for using one over the other.  Your comment about not touching a spotted dog is just an opinionated
senseless comment. Do you hate them that much? Have you ever hunted behind some good ones? Why can't you just appreciate a good
dog no matter what cur breed he is?  So saying you won't touch one , what if Paul Silverton offered you one or Mr. Mason, or River Bottom
Catahoulas, or how bout Mikes late dog Tweety? I guess from your comment you wouldn't want nothing to do with any of these dogs.

Dont believe the comment was meant to be in a vain manner. But will allow him to answer that for himself. 

I will have to speak up on your question in a truthful way.

I have hunted with some good cats...NOT MANY.....but as a dog man I will always give credit due to natural performance no matter the breed or how much I pick and joke around.

But on a serious note...my complete personal preferences will always be YBMC. Mainly due to my own unique experiences that have proven them to compliment my stlye of hunting in a 360 degree form...including looks. 

No Malice toward anyone.. but to answer your question about receiving a dog or pup from any one of the highly respected breeders of Catahoulas......I would without question always respectfully decline....My heart isn't with that particular breed. 

Truthfully the question is loaded from the beginning and cannot be answered without numerous prejudices that come into play from everyone's personal tastes and experiences. 

There is no right or wrong answer to this or any other VS question when it comes down to it......Only what makes you happy personally. 

Hope this thread goes back to a lil lighter mood........So I can quit being serious and begin ragging on Kitty Cats again.  ;D

have hunted with some good cats the reason that i stick mainly with the yello dogs is ive been fortunate have had some good brood dogs pretty well just handed to me. when i breed them i know what im getting.the familys throws some get out of town find a hog type dog and will put teeth on them. i may not have as high a standards as some of you. tell you what ill do the next litter i raise there will be from 8to 13 pups in the litter when they get a month old you come pic the pup and when its a year old i will bet you the pup you pick will find a pig on its on. but thats with me training the dog. i do have a couple of cat pups its took me alot of looking to find what i want the female has been on 6 hunts and going to the bays and beginning to really hunt hard i think she will be finding hogs very soon. im not trying to be a smart butt i just know what i have as far as my yello dogs go,the cats are a different thing have seen cats go threw a area and 5min later a yello dog hit the same area and find a hog.but the same can be said the other way im shure there are some fine cats around. i just dont purse them like i do yello dogs. I would like to hunt with someone that only uses jam up cat dogs. not just one or two a good group 5 to 10 of them kind of like a bunch that you could competition hunt.

There's Catahoulas like that out there, whole lines of em that produces the same type of dogs as the Yeller dogs you talk about. If you've got a high producing line, stick with it, but there rare.  They may all bark at a pig and find there own hogs young and make decent dogs, all of them, and that's alot of good right there, but that don't make em a hog dog in my book.

If the yeller dogs are more accessible to you, well that's what I'd hunt, same goes for Catahoulas.  It's took me alot of culling and alot of miles to get where I'm at. I've got one dog over 3 and one over a year and some pups, ALL virtually a different breed. I've started over and culled just about everything more then once. I don't care ably starting from square one again, because if I'm not satisfied then I won't feed em whether that means I won't catch another pig for a year, so be it. That's all I'm saying. Plenty of dogs find pigs, but that dont mean there a hog dog.

I have both Black Mouths and Catahoula's.  Have seen some very good dogs in both breeds.  Out of good stock I wouldn't turn down a prospect in either breed. 
70 years old and still catching hogs.
Know a lot of people with Black Mouths that Has some great dogs, also know a lot of people that has some outstanding Catahoula's but in either breed you will never see they in the classifieds.

I bought and culled from both of these breeds and never really found what I liked...seems the cull rate was real high for some of these dogs back then...and I saw lots of these dogs go through the woods and just keep on trucking and someone else come right behind with their pack of dogs and they open a few times on top of the other dogs tracks  and bam...hogs running everywhere...but as many people that like the yellows and the cats I am sure there are more good lines out there than ever before...I always say I like a dog that knows how to find a hog if it is there...I have seen some dogs that stay busy but don't find  many hogs...friend of mine calls them brush beaters...another friend of mine has a nice looking bmc pup that is coming on and he has 1/4 plott...I am sure the cull rate can run higher in some breeds...more so than others....

That's Wisdom!

You pass on a dog because of its breed.... ??? :-\

exactly!!!! someone like me learns from the old dudes that tried it all and stick to what works. just look at that rig that mr.Boland has. the shock on dog box is genius, or Mr Masons catdo catch dog. never waste any energy never barks never even has a hint of excitement until he's cut loose.

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BA-IV
" Plenty of dogs find pigs, but that dont mean there a hog dog."

Lol please explain this.....and what those dogs are called!!!???
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I figured I'd ruffle a few feathers with this post. 

A HOG DOG is a hog dog period.  You may think any dog that finds a hog is one, and then one day you'll have your eyes opened and you won't look at dogs the same no more. Best I can tell you.

Jimco ok I didn't want too start nothing that is my opinion I don't like a spotted dog iv had a couple back in the day I didn't like em yes I hunted with a few good cats but if they said they would give them to me I wouldn't take them I don't like lookin at a spotted dog il stay with my yella dogs just my opinion sorry if I piss any body off don't mean to start no sh$$ or I wouldn't of posted nothing

I'll elaborate...

There's tons of dogs that will take a smoking hot track, or get dumped where hogs are under every bush. They'll find a hog, hog breaks, dog runs it a little bit, quits and comes back. To me that a cull, not a hog dog.

A hog dog will find it and bay it, if that hog wants to run and can't be "stopped", that dog will run it till it's lungs are deflated and be there bayed when you get there... whether its 5 minutes or 5 hours.

Finding a hog is only part of the package.

Another angle to throw into the brain storm room is a distinct difference in where the ultimate priorities lie.

Some are more driven by the shear aspect of the hunt and do not take alot of interest in the actual breed or bloodline aspect.
An example would be....Someone that continually rotates various dogs no matter the background or breeding ...as long as they provide them a means to stay in the woods. They typically buy everything on their stringer throughout their hunting careers without raising their own.  Nothing wrong with this at all....BUT its a different outlook than the dogman.  

They are in it for the dogs themselves not just the sole thrill of the hunt.  Dont get me wrong...producing a working stock dog capable of accomplishing anything the person desires it to do.....is highly regarded.  BUT......

If the dogman had to get out of hunting all together.........They would still keep their dogs VS selling out because of where their true loyalties lie.

Two aspects of this game that commonly get regarded as the same.

Just to make sure I understand.....

A true dog man can or can't have more than one breed of dog he works with?

Well said Mike. It's hard to explain a true hog dog until you've seen one with your own eyes

A true dogman, and I use the word sparingly, can take your cull and make it into a dog. He's got a gift few have.

Its a mind set of where the true priorities lie.
Are you in it for

DOGS that hunt?  

Or

HUNTING......with Dogs?  

Neither are meant to be compared good or bad against each aspect. But definitely a difference.  

I have both my catahoulas are better dogs but I hunt with rockin b a lot he has some jam up yella dogs he won't own a spotted dog lol but me it don't matter wat it is long as it hunts ill hunt behind it... And and a yella dog started from a catahoula

I understand totally what your saying. I've raised Cat curs on and off since I was a kid. I only started hog hunting a few years ago. I was determined to take the dogs I have and use them to hunt hogs. When I breed I try and improve what I already have. They are going to hunt and work for me or I just won't hunt. It's all about trying to improve the bloodline to me. I won't be changing dogs after every dry run trying to keep up with any one. I started with a line and I'm going to see it through trying to improve on it where I can.   On the THIS BREED  VS, THAT BREED,  I really enjoy looking and reading about all breeds.

correct  how many guys out there run just one type of breed, mike you have several diffrent ones. in fact all hunters that are worth there weight seem to run a few. I like bmc, I like cat. but what I really want is a good find and bay dog. dont care if its ugly or not.

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get you a well bred mt cur dog to run with your Cat and BMC...

All of what mike said, PLUS, they no the jobs not over just cuz you caught one hog. A hog dog will see you got this hog handled and boogie on to the next sign (that it probably already smelled and remembered while still working the hog your currently legging.) the true hog dog knows there's more hogs.

Next (in my opinion) the Hog Dog has a freak Brain. Almost like they are thinking human thoughts with a dogs abilities.
EXAMPLE, they can be a long ways from you, but still are almost connected to you. I've seen one bitch that I really like bayin a boar hog in a bad spot and stay bayed in the extreme summer heat and humidity all day BECUASE she knew I was coming, I've experienced the same dog bayed on a equally bad hog in an equally bad area and I was sweating bullets (this has happened four times) BECUASE I knew for sure I was not supposed to go in there, I would definitely get cuaght and I would definitely be in major trouble, and with out calling her or her seeing me, at the height of my anxiety she came back to me and loaded up.

The real hog dog isn't a pleasure hunting dog, he will bust your butt and work you into the ground.

It really is impossible to sum up what some ofthese guys are calling real hog dogs, but u can say that by and large, the Hog Dog will make you ashamed that you brought dogs when somebody else owns em, and he'll make you cull dogs that others would pay thousands for when you own him.

(as a disclaimer, a Hog Dog may very well strain your marriage and cuase you to be a terrible employee! Lol)

Like a good friend told me I never seen a good dog the wrong color!!!

I've heard of good dogs just never seen or had any....at least I don't think I have... ???

T-bob, your right about making  a terrible employee..got to plan a hunt because you might be there pretty late getting to the dogs...

 I have never seen a true hog dog. I have seen a few really good dogs but no true great dogs. My standards are high. Another reason I havent ever bred a dog. To reproduce, a dog better be really,really good at his/her job. Way too many breed for money and "just because".
  If you have a good thing(dog) you dont want everyone to have one. Human nature makes you competitive. I cull dogs. One took a trip to the vet and the all the others found new pet homes. Some are blood dogs and some are back yard pets.