EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

What type of hound do yall like in your cross dogs ,  Plott , Walker , Blu Tic and so on.

Now why do you prefer that type of hound in yours?

OK how much 1/8 - 1/4 - 1/2 - 3/4 and why that amount ?

Boy!!!! That is a loaded question. Depends on what your looking to get out of the cross I imagine.....and who you ask.  Most likely it comes down to a specific dog having the traits you hope to add AND his/her ability to reproduce that trait/traits. Good luck with this one.......as has been said many a time on ETHD, get out, hunt with some find what suits you and breed to it........hope it produces itself and not its single crapiest grandparent.LMAO

I like to cross redbone into pits. My family has always run that cross and it just works for us.

Plott x Catahoula, 1/2 to 1/4. 5/8's is to much.

I agree Silverton spot on.  Plott 1/2 to 1/4.  Dont like 5/8's either.  This is what I crossed with my cur dogs that have a lots of ole time Leopard type cattle dogs in them. 

If I can ask are you may not want to put it out there I can sure understand that if not but what bloodline of Plotts do you like and run in  yours?   I got the Sizzlin Heat and Alabama Hammer heavy in mine the Plott dog I crossed on it has really worked out well for me and I got some grandsons and daughters of the dog I used now that are really really looking good.

well I am currently crossing all 3 you mentioned . started with the old cur type plott running 50/50 liked it a bunch and obtained a big game bred walker gyp and went 50/50 liked it a lot .  went with a 1/2 bluetick 1/4 walker 1/4 plott and they came out well but some were mouthier than the cur dog folks like . right now I have some poch, type plott walker cat pups on the ground  . 1/2 plott 1/4 walker 1/4 cat that I bred to run hogs or any other game I choose they should have tree power wich is what I was lacking for my future endeavors . but I guess my favorite are the walker cat crosses they posses tons of speed as well as bottom . the plott walkers move a track fast as well . my next cross will be my new mnt. cur over my bluetick gyp mainly for tree game but will be excellent on hogs as well . hard choice to make as to wich ones I like best I like them all just mainly depends on if the breeding  [ clicks  ] or not . when I first started all of this cur hound deal I was wanting to breed semi-open dogs but as my luck would have it they for the most part remained tight mouthed unless a hog broke  lol  . but all in all they all made some better dogs than what I started with pure . I caught a lot of hogs with my cats but they couldn't handle the hunting pressure I was putting on them . them big boned heavy cats would be stove up about Wednesday but the hound crosses was like the energizer bunny they kept going and going and going   lol

Best dog I've hunted behind is 1/2 bluetick 1/2 bmc gyp. The second best was bmc./redbone male. The gyp is still alive and is 12 and will out work any dog I've ever seen.

some of the best dogs I have seen had walker or plott in the mix...

2 famous lines of mt cur from the older days were the Texas Smoke line which I had that line for a long time and it was said that a mt cur was crossed with a high powered walker...

the other line of mt curs were bred with a high powered plott hound...the busher sam line of mt cur...back in the old days mt curs and plotts were basicly the same dogs...

right now I have a 1/2 redbone with 1/2 bulldog I like...he looks all cur...

I was looking at this ad yesterday and I was thinking she must be a dog tom look at but was wondering about her bloodline...

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I have a walker female very good looking dog will show in the woods alone shes still got puppy mouth but it carries along ways she is the hardest hunter ive ever seen at this age she goes to hard for me and i dont have a tracker would sale for 700.00 or trade for the same calibur of dog 1479 787 0012 text only thanks

I was wondering about her bloodline and then another post further down caught my eye... when I saw her bloodline mentioned  I became very interested an then I checked her location on mapblast and she is out of my range...but this is one dog I would ad to my mt curs once and keep the traits I would like if I had my way...she is located in the NE corner of Arkansas...double rat attack double nailor and double sackett Jr need I say more???

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 She's double rat attack double nailor and double sackett Jr bred great bring ur boots if u wanna come hunt

http://www.easttexashogdoggers.com/forum/index.php?topic=68489.msg437340#msg437340

a dog like that black plott that cajun owned looks like an indepenent can do it alone type of dog...been thinking about talking to cajun one day soon...  ;D
I like the comments he wrote about his dogs...just cutting down a little on the cold nose is all for me...every thing else I like...
I like crossing one time and then keeping it pure after that one cross...

Although I don't have much experience with these crosses... I have two pups that are walker x cat.  They are about 8 months now, when my walker male opens up one pup will stay with him for hours on the trail till they stop a hog.  She is kind of yippy when she sees or is very close to a hog.  I am excited about these pups because they just keep getting better ever time I out them in the woods.

You never really know what you are going to get when you cross a hound or hound cross to a cur.  It does not matter what the percentages are.  Even pure line bred hound liter dont always trun out the way the breeder wants.  there are tons of posts on repreat crosses on hound forums.

Another thing you need to think about is each of the dogs you mentioned about have different strenghts and weaknesses.  For example, the plott is commonly known as the grittiest hound and the walker usually has the fastest track speed.  Before chosing a hound or hound cross to breed to, I think you need to identify trais that you want your pups to have.  Thins to consider might be:

Speed, grit, mouth, treeing ability, endurance.

Once you have figured out what you want, find a hound or the hound that is strongest on these traits.  It still does not mean that your cross will work exactly like you plan, but it is the best way to try to get what you want.  It may work, it may not.

I personally have 6 pure bred plotts (all bred a little different) and one cat.  I would consider a cross but I like pure bred hounds so I elect to own them.  I also like to have a couple of silent dogs so I plan on breeding my cat next time she comes in.

For all that read, I would ask that you be responsible in breeding a dog and dont leave a bunch of pups out there not taken care of.

My Plott blood all came out of a lion and bear pack in New Mexico, I do not know the blood line. This line crossed to straight cow dog stock has worked very well for me with a very high percentage of really nice dogs. TColt is hunting one of these crosses of mine "Jade" she is 1/4 Plott, 3/4 cat.

I like these dogs when they work at medium range, my "Griz" is near perfect for me 1/2 Plott, 1/2 Cat. He rids, casts, and roads, paired with two of my straight Catahoula's from my straight cowdog stock and we don't have much trouble with hogs breaking at all.

Walker, plott, bluetick, redbone!  ;D I like em all lol. Got a 1/2 cat 1/2plott that's prolly my favorite dog. And a blackmouth 1/4 redbone I like to. Buddy has a full redbone that's dead silent that's bad to the bone. And another buddy has a plott gyp that's pretty dang good to. Don't matter to me I just like listening to them ol hound dogs singin the blues.

It just depends in my opinion.  Now a days you have people evolving these hounds like "cutter bay blue ticks" and several walker lines. Whatever your wanting from these hounds is where I would go. Just like cats vs curs, you have to find a line you like. However I specifically like plotts. All the plotts I've hunted behind had some of the most bottom and heart I've seen. Now crossing i have no clue? Cross the best to the best I would think ??? Right now I have a plottxpit cross that I really like. He's got a great nose but I only hunt him by himself because he catches every time. I plan on crossing him in about a year or two if he's still alive onto my BMC gyp.

you are right...you have to know what traits you want to breed...if you like gritt then breed a gritty line of curs with a gritty line of hounds...

I have1/2 Running Walker and 1/2 Cat I love it..he has all the traits that I've looked for....nose, endurance, and a whole lot of bottom to him...(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/04/01/aquduzup.jpg)
The black dog with brindle trim...
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I would go with a 1/2 Croghan hound x 1/2 blackmouth...
Croghan is just a rough line of running walkers.

I use a Running Walker, it is the most heat tolerant of the hound breeds. You are not going to find the drive and stamina in other hounds in this South Texas heat. They are plenty aggressive and a cold fast paced nose. Breeding to a real rough 1/2 bulldog 1/2 cur will produce some of the best hog dogs. This is my opinion at least.
    

1/2 plot 1/2 curr

Gives them the nose and the grit too stop one where they stand . Best dog I've hunted with is that and she'll straight up burn the woods down to find one.

This was my best dog "Dixie" she was 1/2 Running Walker, 1/4 ridgeback, 1/4 bulldog. She would hunt long range and stop a runner in his track's. When we would come up on a catch, if you wanted to go home you better of caught her before killing the hog. When she new you had the hog she was gone to the next one. She was killed by javalinas 2 years ago.
 (http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj629/lvtrouthunter/Picture086.jpg)

x2 on the croghan

Talking with some of the old time Plott hunters, they mentioned that the old Cable line of Plotts were the best dogs they have seen they were a Plott/Cur cross. I am going to breed one of my Fl Cur female to a Pure Weems bred dog from Dan Moody. The dog is a Top bear and boar hunting machine. He is the most athletic Plott you have seen and is tight mouthed finish the track kind of dog!! Barks a couple times when he gets the track started, then not a word till he is facing the bear or hog. One dog show!,

Ought to be good .  I got the Plott crossed on my old dogs a lot of Leopard Cattle type dogs worked great and getting better seems like and I just added the Partin dog now to the mix,  so we will see how it goes.

Ruben, Cajuns dogs are a site to see in the woods his line of Potts are brutal on a hog. Ive hunted cur dogs for 15 yrs  and now making a change, going to his line of dogs. People all over the world have some of his blood .

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some of the best I've seen was 1/2 plott 1/4 cur 1/4 pit

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thanks big cutter...because of your comments I for sure need to contact cajun...but the demeanor is written all over that dog...a pic is worth a thousand words...  ;) I have always studied pictures of the world champion dogs and he fits right in...I'm just a dog nut...  ;D :)

Cajun's name is Mike, and he is a terriffic guy.  The dog in his pic was an outstanding young dog and line bred out of his Trapper dog.  Trapper died two months ago and he was what every plott should be.  I have a couple of dogs from Mike and I hunted with him last year in Canada for bear.  All I can tell you, is if you are lucky enough to get a dog from him, you may be waiting in line for a while.  His plotts are about as rough as they come.  He catches a lot of hogs and he has a lot of dogs,,,becuase they get cut up a good bit.

That's a HalfBreed dog cuttinup is huntin but before we sent Ole Bo to him he was huntin  his on line of Pitbull X Beagle  O0

I think He caught quite a few feral potbelly pigs with that cross ! :o LOL

i like me a touch of plott in em put that nose on em and i like to  hear em bawl mine aint open on track but they dang sure rattle the ole tree limbs when they sit down and start bawlin!

I am talking to a guy in Kansas right now who has some running hounds that he uses on coyotes. Blood consist Hellums and Crghan with a little trig and july in them..Anybody know anything more about these lines?

Suppose to be super fast on track. A little tighter mouth but still open. He hunts them year around and says they can run all day!

I am wanting to get a gyp to put my Tiger dog over. He is 5 years old now and has never gotten any pups out of him. Got a good feeling about crossing him over some type of running hound!

       i agree there are alot of really good hounds out there they will add to most familys will give them a heck of a hunting drive good noses.but then you mite get some traits you dont like open on the trail,cold nosed,slow on the trail not gritty enough to stop a hog.you really need to search and do alot of hunting to find what you want. i think plot and walkers would be your best bet.

mtn cur...middle of the road...good nose, just about right...good winding ability...great finding ability and plenty of grit and bottom...

I judge grit on a coon dog if he is willing to kill a boar coon by itself...