EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Ive about gave up on the whole Internet hog dog thing I've tried 7 dogs and not one have been what I was told..if your going to sell a dog..sell the dog, but don't lie. Damn, especially when you give a trial? If you know I'm not going to like the dog why even let me try it? Tried a "finished" dog today and he didn't even go to the bay. Ive told myself that everyone hunts different and maybe it's just because the dogs weren't use to me. But nope, ive come to conclusion that some people would rather climb up a tree and lie rather than stat on the ground and tell the truth, when the truth sounds better. If you don't agree with what I have to say, don't reply.. because I've wasted enough of my time with these finished dogs on here.

No hog hunter will sell a HOG DOG. Just my 2 cents

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I always ask the person I get a dog from will they show the dog hunt.. If they said no or DON'T HAVE SPOT to show the dog then you know your about to get screwed. If they say yes then go watch it that way if u don't like the dog then no one is harmed or screwed.

Couldnt agree more. Had a similar incident. Ask to c dog hunt behind its owner n got told, i dont hav a place. If u dont hav a place to hunt, how do u hav a very well started, aka: "finshed" dog? Thats the point to walk away from the table.

I usually ask for a trial..might have to use that method, I guess someone that will take you hunting without a problem might actually be telling the truth. Yea and I guess so, no hog hunter will sell a "hog dog" I've tried to focus on people that are selling out but those don't seem to be working either..hell the best dog I've tried was solid bone when I picked her up, I may just hit that sorry daddy didn't marry mommy after he gives me my money back and keep the dog too.

 I have a dog that I have thought about selling for a while. She is 6 years old. Found alot of hogs for me. Hunts 300-400 yards. I cast her in areas I think hogs are most of the time. Can be road hunted too. Silent. Plott x BMC. Will help catch with bulldog. Will catch ear or just behind the front leg everytime. Able to shoot over her too. Will follow a dog on a deer track but only for 100 yards or so then she will peel off and go hunting. Easy keeper. She was my best dog for a while. Some days she will impress the hell out of you other days she will be your avg dog. That is how I would post an ad for her.
  I paid 300 bucks for her a little over four years ago. A good dog can still be bought. You have to hunt the dog with the owner and listen with your eyes not your ears.

Here's my take on that...I've been messing with hog dogs for 20+ years.  I've met a WHOLE lot of folks along the way and those I haven't met, chances are if they've been in the game for any amount of time and raising a line of good dogs I've probably at least heard there name.  Having said that, I've not once ever known anyone who posted a "selling out" ad.

Take that at face value...

I just sold a 5 yr cat.   1350 bucks   everything i said she was , i sold her to my best friend lol , pretty good deal , I still get to hunt with her on every  hunt , he feeds her and takes care of her , but like said if you read on her you would think finshed dogs were everywere , but thats not the case , it takes to much time and to many hogs to make a dog , there not just gave away , and every one dont have one , there passed threw freinds in most cases, there are a few good dogs sold on here but do your research , look at there post , see how many hogs they catch , is all there post on the dog trade , dead giveaway , I have dogs I like , they will find a hog , not finshed by what you read on here but would take the bank for , there are some good dogs sold here but ther far and few between , everyone wants a finshed dog but dont have any money or dont wanna pay , 5000 wouldnt by any of mine and there not finshed

So your saying if you have a dog that hunts but not to your standards it's a cull? I've had dogs in the past that won't hunt but would hunt off the hood and since I don't hunt like that very often I sold him. I've heard from the man and he says that he made a half way decent dog.

Will you take $150 ??   :)

I will sell a dog that ticks me off just because I don't like them. But I will sell them to someone I know. Kind of like this girl I knew once. She would do what I asked but I did not like her. So I asked a guy I knew that need a girl if he wanted to go out with her rolleyes But I am just honest and that is how I am. A dog is finished to me when I am finished feeding it. I will tell you the good and bad. But my bad may be just what you want and your bad may be what I want. Now I do a guy that will sell you a real good dog but it ain't cheap and you can hunt the dog. I can't afford him but I hear once the dog is bought it is bought. But the man has some real good dogs. So you can buy some good dogs. But for my money I will go with a puppy and take my chances.

A couple pups I got now may go up for sale if they keep ticking me off rolleyes

Will you take $150 ??   :)
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 yes.

I sold two good started ybmc males a few months back cuz I thought they weren't learning fast enough. Nearly gave them away. Problem was I didn't have good places to hunt with fresh enough signs. The man that has em now said that was just what he needed to have a solid pack. Like was said. Check there last posts and ask questions. Get proof if possible.

Clean that up dub before you start getting PM's from some dude who goes by BACKDOORHOGDOGGER or REACHAROUNDHOGDOGGER asking if you would like to come and hunt with him sometime !! HaHa :-* :o ;D

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But there lies the problem, a half way decent dog is not what most people consider a hog dog. Good dogs do get sold but their never cheap. There was a post in the dog trade today wanting a good dog but they said they would not pay over $300. There's alot of people who will sell a junky dog for $2000 but I don't know anybody who will sell a good dog for $300.

half a$$ dont make a finished dog if anything a help dog ...lol  the hard working dogs cost, if its not a mt curr or jagds then dont spent your time or money on a half a$$ dog unless proven.   lolol  this is how i tell..just a little 2cents.... take a garmin us it an watch the dog your buying, watch for your self .. this tells u why the man is selling the dog it my be the slowest or loops while on track or my be just to slow for his pack.. the garmin tells a lot about a dog in a race..   {use some cents say pig or hog  if the dog dont jump or go crazy it not finished} lol  jk somwhat

The internet has driven up the prices and the amount of culls being passed on as finished dogs. Now don't get me wrong you can still find some good dogs on the net you just have to do lots of homework before you purchase anything. The day where you can take someones word and it's good as gold is far and few between. I chuckle when people write that they are selling a good dog for 500 without a trial and 800 with a trial. Most people pass off too many dogs that will never make anyones pack. Have the guts to part the dog from hunting at all. Cull it!!!! I have been given lots of dogs or purchased lots that never made the team and if they didn't I did what I had to do. Let's not forget what most of are in this for, produce better hog dogs. If they dont make the cut well don't pawn them off to someone else looking to get your money back on these dogs. Better yet don't breed these dogs to cash in on the new trend either.!!!

As far as the selling out goes I sold out due to family and work reasons. Sold some good dogs cheap too. They were dogs I would still feed if I had the time to hunt like I want to. This after hunting for 16 years with my own pack and I still have the itch in my blood. I just can't do it like the dogs deserved.

With that said there are those that HAVE to sell out but don't want to. An good dogs out there for sale for that reason. Just few and far between. Look at their old posts, amount of posts in the forums compared to dogs for sale, and ask questions of fellow hunters about the person/dog. Ask for references on the dog with people they have invited hunting etc... I was willing to give this and more if asked. I always pushed for the "buyer" to come hunt with the dogs and me. If they say they don't have a place I call BS. If they want to sell the dog bad enough they will find a place. I gave a two week trial on the finished cur dogs no matter what, and took them back no questions asked. I didn't give trials on pups or young started dogs, and catchdogs as I was burned in past on them. With that said if the person called back within a day or two with a problem I would work with them or take that dog back as long as they came back in as good a shape or better then they left, but not a week or more.

Granted though my best dogs went to friends free or cheaper then I listed them for because I wanted to keep track of these better, and they were out of my folks line.

Good luck and don't give up.

Yep they are a cull. Who wants a halfway decent dog?

Man I try to type better than I talk but sometimes the typing leaves out a word or two that changes the whole thing. I will just say that you read that like a perv rolleyes I guess I left the "know" "I do know a guy..." I ain't judging some of you ther guys or anything but it just ain't my thing. But you are a sick puppy. (I would have given someone a ribbing over it too)

Haha!! I just could'nt resist it ! It was too easy and after all someone has got to keep you on your toes or you'll get rusty. Do unto others before they do unto you ! :angel: ;D

Good dogs can be bought!!   If you want to purchase a good dog be prepared to pay for it!!!!!   Money speaks a language of its own!!!   Be willing to pay $$$$  if a person has plenty of money to spend put the word out, and they can be found......

Sorry but you are wrong on that one, I have been hog hunting for a little over 10yrs and I just sold a HOG DOG yesterday to a guy off this site that has hunted with the dog and has seen with his own eyes what the dog will do...................... how do you explain that?

.........I understand that it is getting pretty dang hard to find a good dog these days with the huge influx of newcomers  joining and dropping the sport, I think this has alot to do with the overall lack of quality in dog sales, hence the unhappy customers that unfortunentaly  get the raw end of the deal that we read more and more about. I do however believe that true hog dogs can still be bought........just off the top of my head I know 2 guys that visit this site daily and both have bought their best dogs in the last 6-8 months........

At the end of the day, if you want to BUY a good hog dog you HAVE TO DO the homework!

Yup

May I ask why you sold the dog? Musta been something you didn't like about the dog unless you just don't hunt anymore.

I dont mind one bit, spoon is....well i should say was the #2 dog in my yard. I have 2 older males that are neck and neck hunting wise, smoke and spoon, when on the ground together they range Too far out for me from time to time......maybe not too far but further than I like...... on one hand its great because they hunt great BUT on the other hand i dont have big pieces of property to hunt unless I am invited,  AND i figured out that if i run them one at a time they tend to stay at a range I like. Smoke is rougher than spoon and i like rough..... i consider both of these dogs to be good puppy trainers...hunted individually they have worked great with my young dogs. Another reason i leaned towards selling him is that I think in the right yard he would be the #1 dog and someone else could use him more than I do......now whether or not he will be #1 in the particular man who bought hims yard is not up to me to say....don't know what all he is workin with!


 I said all that to say this, i honestly enjoy workin young dogs as much as I enjoy any other part of this sport and the other day I saw a young gyp that honestly excited the hell out of me, and to my surprise the owner said she was for sale.... She managed to find the 1 and only hole big enough for her to fit in on a large horse trailer and was 6' off the ground and in the trailer full of pigs and caught before we could blink......it was a hell of a sight!

Lol not that it was important to add to the story but i am comfortable knowing I can still go and catch hogs without ol spoon and i havent been this pumped about a young dog in a while.

You ever walked up to a kennel with a buncha dogs and 1 just jumps out at you from the get go for some reason? That is what she did to me, i didnt ask to buy her, he told me he would let her go.....so on the way home the other 1/2 and I talked about it and decided that we didnt need another dog so there you have it, spoon rolls out and new gyp comes in.

BTW i didn't mean to be rude in my first post.....shoulda said that I disagree, not that you were wrong, my fault.

I never said he was a jam up good dog. All I was trying to say is you can sell HOG DOGS. Weather they don't fit your team or just not your style of dog. I don't see since in shooting a dog that has hunt but just not to ones liking.

I thought hard about shooting a dog a few weeks ago but decided to give him to a guy on here and told him if he don't like the dog shoot him but I thought the dog might be able to do something for the right person. Within two weeks the dog had helped catch a real big hog. (not saying this guy of all people needed my old chit eater just thought if the dog had a chance it'd be with him.)

And to further the point im the one who bought Justins dog and I couldn't be happier about it. So in the past month I've given away a good dog and bought a jam up dog so there are reasons people will come off of a dog.

Good deal

Seems to me that you just ain't met the right folks... Chit, I've given a few good dogs away for free, and sold a few anywhere from 40 to couple hundred bucks cause they were started and running with the big dogs... Hell, I gave one of my lead dogs away just cause he wasn't what my pack needed and only reason I didn't sell him is cause he had 3 legs. That dog is still a hunting SOB and the guy loves him. Sounds like you just need to talk to the right kind of folks and quit trying to get ur hands on one so fast. JMO

thanks for the kind words Josh, hope you and spoon work out well for each other, I think he will do you a good job and like I told you on the phone, if he don't work out you know where to bring him back to!

No problem man can't wait to get him in the woods

One of biggest problems people have when trying to buy a hog dog is they are too impatient. Good dogs can be bought. I have seen it with my own eyes. People want a dog NOW! instead of doin ther homework an waitin on the right dog to come along. Me personally have never bought a grown dog bc I like to raise my own but that's just me

I tell ya'll what... I have messed with buying dogs trying to find the right finished dogs. But man if you are patient enough, and not a back stabber or poacher; good stuff comes to you. I just had an AWESOME dog given to me. Just being in the right place at the right time. And this is the second one I have had given to me. First one died. Just be patient, stick to your word, and always be ready to lend out a helping hand and it will eventually return!!!

Very good advise sir! #1 dog in my yard was free as well!

I've been patient its not something I have to have. I have a lead dog just can't find a dog that can keep up with this dog. I'm sure theirs one out there just havnt found it! Appreciate all the advice!!

i dont buy dogs unless its a puppy i want off a litter.

Cant agree with this one enough!  Ive had the best two dogs ive ever had given to me, by two different people.  I dont get to hunt as much as i used to and my yard is turning into the retirement community for hog dogs.  The two ive had and the bunch ive turned down were finished as finished gets, but above 5 or 6 years old.  And for some thats OLD.  For me hunting a couple times a month its perfect.  Ive never spent a cent on a dog, just be patient and get to know some more folks and good things come your way if you help out where you can.

My opinion on the talk is just train ur own dogs yes it takes time and slot at that but u no the dogs every move u no if he is hunting hiding ect... I've lost alot of money to people with good hog digs and coon dogs on here. Also sold my best dogs that the guy said I could buy back for to grand when he paid 12. Lol pissed me off but make the dogs ur self and ul be happy of what u trained and made of ur dogs. I no I won't buy on here I'll sell or give away but won't do no one wrong . Im 18 years old and I won't buy from young people I like older people cause there probably serious about the sport others just want easy money not speaking of myself but my friends think that way and pisses me off...

Young or old don't make a difference the worst thing that's happened to me on here was from a middle aged guy who probably does know a lot about a dog but apparently needed some money.