EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Thinking about changing things up a little. Need to hear about some packs. I know T Graham used them. And a guy named Steve. And a guy named Brooks. But I never hunted with any of them. I use them for blood trails. But never had a sure Nuff strike dog. But it's hard to get ahead of some of the hounds I got. But damn they go a long ways. Kinda looking for something that can stay on 1 or 2 thousand acres.

I have when I first started bayed and shot what they didnt catch. I like my curs but never have I seen dogs work a hog like lacys can when they work as a team I dont thimk there is a better dog for a bayed hog. Know I am going to catch hell for that coment but it is true they flat work a hog.  For hog dogs the best ones have been crossed with something
The one I got attached to was a ridgeback/lacy.   I love my lacys but they are lacys.  Can it be done oh yeah but it will be fun.

I have 2, my male a blood dog that I feel like you could call finished, and a gyp that is a hog dog, does really good baying pretty loose kinda like purebreed said, she just started rolling pretty good before I bred her, 400yard and closer and was always going to the bay. Seems like most Lacys are slower to develop then the hounds/curs etc. My male was finding deer and or catching by 6 months vs my female that started ranging/ huntin out around 14 months. Still like em though I ll always have a few if they prove to be worth having a pack of em I ll do that. Until then I ll keep a couple hound crosses and a cur in the yard. Got a while to go there's alot of junk alot there to sort through to find decent dogs

I got one coming on but dont think he will make the cut! He does nothing wrong but not special either! Has not been hunting much either so he could make it. Lacy man ever have any dog fights. My blood dogs stay apart unless I know deer is alive. And the cowdogs I had dare not growl amongst  them or you would find out quick the order you were in. Usually  on bottom.

My male don't put up with much chit to say the least, normally I don't have issues though he's pretty good. If a male dog bows up he won't wait for him to start though. My female is great. Prob sweetest hunting dog I ve ever had. She actually smiles at you when you talk to her. And hell on a hog when she sees it.  I wouldn't give up on ya dog, prob just a slower dog like kinda like my female. She hasn't been a Rock star, BUT has progressively got better, she has never takin steps back always did better every hunt. Really smart dogs too.

I always run him solo. I bet he d be not to kind to another dog around "his" deer though he's pretty intense when it comes to his deer. Lol but he "gets out" when I pull him off.

I have hunted with T Graham and a buddy of mine has a female from his line of dogs. All the lacy dogs i have hunt with will bay a hog until another dog catch the hog and then will help out.

Just go ahead and get you some BMCs ole shep!!!  ;D

Ha Dustin, I just won't hardly walk down the most traveled road! Im always going to be a little different sometimes it's not a good thing.

This is Ashley!! Hey we are walking down a different road from our pack...got a couple hound crosses that are fixin to need new homes! They arent going to fit our pack!!! Made me think of you when we got them!!! Hows the family doing?

My dads old dog befor she passed didnt show true potential till 6 or so she turned into a hell of a dog after that.  Have been around vary few that could hunt at 12  13 and hunt hard but she could and would. She went out with a bang killed a porkiepine and it caused her to be put to sleep at somewhere around 13 think she knew her time was up and she wanted one last horaa befor she went kinda weird but these dogs are like that think they are a hell of a lot smarter than lots of humans

Going from hounds to Lacy's would  not be easy for me. Rough ,short range , dog aggressive. Hunted a little with a guy who had an all Lacy pack. Had a few my self. Never had the notion to try another.

See I think it depends on the lines cause my female isn't rough at all bays loose but will bite one in the butt if it turns. My male is a little rough in deer but he's far from short range, he ll run a deer down until he catches him.

I hunted with Tom for years and years he was a all Lacy man thats all he ever owned.  I have seen some mighty good ones and I have seen some not worth a plug nickel .  They are a different animal thats for sure they have their own ways and you either lovem are hatem .   Tom had a old dog name Sarge that was as good as any Lacy I ever seen and he had another dog name Chigger that was a damn jam up dog.  Ole Chigger Tom and me put a many many hogs in la la land .  He had some good females also .   One of the best Lacy dogs I have ever hunted with is the one I own and not because I own her she is just a damn good little dog are she would not be here and the only Lacy dog left on my yard and just had pups out of a hell of a dog here on the yard .  I was given her by Tom when she was a baby and she grew up hunting not with lacys but with my dogs so she will go both ways at times she will go her lacy way sometimes but most the time she will hunt just like my cur dogs do.  She has found many many many hogs for me and can and will strike hogs in front of my cur dogs at times and others .  Short to med range but has some real stick power once on a hog.  Nose in the air a lot of the time but will put it down and track one down also .  One thing about this gyp when she stops and looks up in which ever direction you better put your cowboy boots on and go because once she takes off there is no doubt fixing to be hogs at the end of it .  She a good one thats why she is here .  I have had a love hate relationship with her for a long long time but she has learned to put up with me and I have learned I better put up with her because she does and will find hogs with the best I got .  I have learned her ways and dont even pay her no mind no more because about the time you start cussing her she will show you your behind !

  Blood dogs can not be compared to a hog dog. A dog running down an animal or following a physical (blood) track has nothing to do with range at all.  I have seen plenty that are loose. But for the most part after seeing a lot hunt that most are on the rougher side.

Sorry Ashley, I don't think I will ever not have a set of hounds that being said I know thay run past hogs trailing up one. I almost want to try some bull/bird dog. But then I can sell purebred dogs. I got some ruff hairy ones now that are doing pretty good. Besides I'm researching a little 20 years ago a lot of people hunted Lacys. I think the YBMC have elvolded along with the pigs giving them advantage over other breeds.

My lacy is kamikaze dog aggressive. If the deer was dead there would be a dog fight.  If he was loose and I had a dog on a chain he would jump it!  Drive me nuts so I neutered him.  Did t expect to stop the dog aggression but I assured that trait would not be passed on. It was hard to have him neutered as good of a dog as he was finding wounded deer, but that's what needs to be done, of not you just keep passing on those negative traits to the offspring.

I disagree, so your telling me that when there is no physical blood from the spot of where the hunter claims he shot the deer and say 24 hours go by and I being my dog and he goes out castin 500-800 yards before he strait lines and bays up a deer he can't be considered rangy or compared to a hog dog?

Pop corn anyone? Geesh....

Lmao !

Popcorn and Beer time !

I disagree, so your telling me that when there is no physical blood from the spot of where the hunter claims he shot the deer and say 24 hours go by and I being my dog and he goes out castin 500-800 yards before he strait lines and bays up a deer he can't be considered rangy or compared to a hog dog?
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     I think you miss my point. Are you saying your dog can wind a deer at 500 yards ? Or,and I hope not, are you saying your dog can take a track 24 hours old?

Absolutely, he can find a deer after its been 24 hours and I'm saying hunting out 500 or more yards before he finds the track yes. Not winding from 500 yards.... Can your hog dogs do that? I might want one if they can.

We got a couple half hound 1/4 leopards, 1/4 lacy i think and they are some gritty, gritty dogs!!! The only reason we got them is because the old man didnt want them and he was going to shoot them so we said we would take them and start them and see if we could find them a home! We dont want them because they dont fit our pack. Im afraid they will get long range! We love our BMCs!! You ought to see that brindle dog hunt that we brought that one time we came and hunted!!! Hes turned into a heck of a strike dog!!!

 ;D ;D ;D ;D...........I didn't say it!

I agree.  From one extreme to the other.  You should call that guy that HAD the all Lacy pack and see what he thinks of them now that he's hunting a pair of dogs off my yard.

I can honestly say that of all the people I've hunted with, and dogs I've seen hunt over the years that a Lacy is the only particular breed in which I have never seen one that impressed me (as a hog dog).  Someday I hope to, though.

I could see the storm clouds rollin in a long time ago

    I don't think you understand what I am saying. I don't think there is a cur dog alive that can take a 24 hour old track.

From all the years of hunting with Tom and his dogs.  The way I see a Lacy is yes they wanta get ruff but for the most part of all the Lacys I seen they would bay real real tight .  They would not catch a bigger badder hog unless the catch was intainated by another dog and sure once one tried to catch the rest is gonna gang bang the hog .

Out of all those Lacys that Tom had he had only one that was sure nuff gonna put his mouth on what ever size hog and that was his Hoss dog .  I tell ya one thing you want to see a dog bay the hair off a hog watch a good Lacy .  They will bay one spin one and make him look like a fool seen that with my own eyes.

I will not get on here and say every Lacy is crap thats for sure because I promise you there is some good ones out there you just might have to find them .  Might not be the rangest dogs in the world may not be the best hog dog in the world but they hold there on the good ones do.  Yes they are moody as hell ,  Yeah they wont take much chit off another dog and sometimes even start the fight but most of that can be curved at a young age if you put your mind to it .

Lacys dogs are really not for me but I got a good one in my Bell dog and it would take the better part of somebodys ars pocket to get her thats how much I think of her.  She has made herelf part of the family here and she done it the hard way .

Not all Lacys are chit bro ! 

Matter of fact I just sold one here about three months are so to a guy named Willie was having trouble finding hogs .  Two days later he was sending me pics of some of the hogs they were now finding .  A few weeks more pics and how the dog was doing   A month later you could not buy the dog for 2500 bucks I bet and a month after that it would even take more .  This dog from what I was told was finding hogs in front of a dog a man paid big money for and I sold her to him just to help him out for a little pocket change .  There is some people on here that can back everything I just said up .   

My Catchdog is a lacy, hunting sob too but to rough for my pack

.......looks more like a lubbock dust storm buildin down in nederland.....big and red lolololol..... Hi Colby!

Ok back in the day when hogs ran free range lacy or lacy type dogs were used almost exclusively  to gather ear mark and such mainly in texas hill country .Is it not possible since more people hunt curs now  that when hogs started the big running deal that people not even thinking about it just kind of bred the dogs that were stopping hogs better. I mean that is how all breeds were developed. Pointers, Grey Hounds, Sent Hounds and of course all the lap type dogs. I think there are some Lacys left that will git it done. They may be hard to find

Yes sir I believe you're right. Gunna take some research and leg work but it can be done.

I blew through your town when I got off work haha

And couldn't even stop by to say hi and drop off my collars.......geez....some friend you are! Lol jk

Haha man I was on a mission and your arse prob wasn't home! You work too dang much

 Didn't know you lived down there. I will be in groves mid July. My family is from there. I have access to some really nice places down there. You down to bring your Lacy dogs out ?

Sure man, my female should be done with her pups by then if I did my days are right.

Aaawwwwweeeee!! I love a happy ending! :'( This is better than watching the Sound of Music!!! ;D

So nobody on here hunts with all Lacys ? That's amazing!

Maybe that tells you something about Lacys as hog dogs?

It would seem obvious Mike.

I was talking to a buddy, he was telling me your pack was pretty good, ole mike brooks trained em and they were young but a majority of em got killed on a big hog you caught with them. He was telling me they were pretty young and rough bunch but needed a little longer and hadn't seen a big hog before that one. What lines did you have?

 ;) ;D ;D ;D >:D

  Ha ha ha.  Got rid of all the Lacy dogs I had before that hog. Someone lying to you  ;D

Why I asked! Never know unless you do!

Somebody step in and correct me if I'm wrong, but I think those red dogs that Bob Richardson son runs all go back to red Lacy.