EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

As many of you know, I am a runner/cyclist.  I usually run in suburbia and I can't recall the last time I encountered an aggressive dog that was not on a leash.  When I ride 100+ miles it is often in the country and more dogs are loose, but usually not a problem.  I do carry pepper spray.

Still, this caught my attention.  It is not good news for the running community nor for those with dogs, especially aggressive dogs.  Let's all be careful out there.  These types of events aren't good for any of us.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/51843358/ns/us_news/t/pit-bulls-blamed-s-calif-joggers-killing/?lite&lite=obnetwork (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/51843358/ns/us_news/t/pit-bulls-blamed-s-calif-joggers-killing/?lite&lite=obnetwork)


Associated Press        updated 5/10/2013 10:24:23 PM ET


PALMDALE, Calif. — A pack of dogs remained under quarantine at a Mojave Desert shelter on Friday as investigators tried to determine whether they were involved in a mauling that killed a jogger.

By afternoon, Los Angeles County sheriff's homicide investigators had not announced any DNA match between the six pit bulls seized Thursday and the four believed to have attacked the woman in the high desert neighborhood of Littlerock earlier in the day, Deputy Guillermina Saldana said.
 
The county coroner's office identified her on Friday as Pamela Marie Devitt, 63, a local resident.
 
A woman in a car saw pit bulls attacking the runner in the area 65 miles northeast of Los Angeles. The driver called 911 and honked her horn to try to get the dogs to stop, sheriff's Lt. John Corina said.
 
An arriving deputy saw a single dog still attacking the jogger and tried to chase it off, Corina said.
 
"The dog ran off into the desert, then turned around and attacked the deputy," who took a shot at the animal before it ran off, Corina said.
 
The woman died in an ambulance on the way to a hospital, said Evelina Villa, spokeswoman for the county Department of Animal Care and Control.
 
Hours later, sheriff's and animal control officials served a search warrant on a home near the site of the attack and took away eight dogs, six pit bulls and two mixed-breeds. A 29-year-old man from the house, identified as Alex Donald Jackson, was arrested on suspicion of cultivating marijuana.
 
The owner was cited previously because one of the dogs had attacked a horse, Villa said. She did not immediately have details.
 
The dogs were being kept under quarantine for rabies observation at a Lancaster shelter, said Marcia Mayeda, the county's animal control director.
 
"They're fine now," she said of their behavior. "They're all separated so they're not able to engage in a pack behavior, where they group up together and may act aggressively."
 
Their strange surroundings also may have intimidated them, she said.
 
Mayeda said the animals, five females and three males, are all adults weighing between 40 and 70 pounds, with the biggest being an overweight female Australian shepherd mix. The other mixed-breed appears to be a Labrador-collie, she said.
 
Not all of the dogs are licensed, spayed or neutered as required by county and state law, she said.
 
The agency will seek to have any dogs involved in the attack destroyed, Mayeda said. The others will be licensed, spayed or neutered as required and three of them — the legal limit — will be returned to the owner while the rest will be placed for adoption if they are friendly, Mayeda said.
 
However, there still was a chance that the attacking animals were strays.
 
"In these areas, you might have a situation where people dump animals out in rural areas," said John Mlynar, a spokesman for the nearby city of Palmdale.
 
People living near the site of the attack said stray dogs constantly roam the area and have attacked people before.
 
"It's really scary," Diane Huffman, of Littlerock, told KABC-TV. "I don't know what to think. I really think I'm going to be getting a gun to protect myself."
 

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The jogger's death was the latest of at least five deadly dog attacks in California in the past two years.
 
Last month, Claudia Gallardo, 38, of Stockton, was mauled to death by a pit bull in the front yard of a home where the dog lived.
 
In February, Elsie Grace, 91, of Hemet, was killed by a pair of pit bulls at a motel.
 
In June 2011, two pit bulls escaped from their yard and mauled a neighbor in her San Diego backyard. Emako Mendoza, 75, suffered arm and leg amputations before dying months later. The dog's two owners were convicted of involuntary manslaughter.
 
In June 2012, an 8-month-old boy, Tyzhel Latella McWilliams, was mauled to death by a pit bull at a home in Lemon Grove, near San Diego.
 
Anyone who spots an aggressive dog, even behind a fence, can contact Los Angeles County animal control officers to investigate, Mayeda said.
 
If behavior problems are found, the owner will be cited for violations or encouraged to seek dog training.
 
"They'll be put on notice that there are people concerned about their animals," she said.

Notice every attack is blamed  on "pit bulls" malarchy media bias at it's finest

Story is confusing. Says Pitts says mixed breeds.

I would like to think though...that a police officer could tell the difference and he said (I believe) that last one was Pitt. Anyhow...sad all the way around.

Bulldogs...in my opinion...should be treated, oh...a little different than most dogs. You've got to be aware of them...as an owner or otherwise. As an owner I think you need a VERY strong handle on them. My CD was raised in the house till he was 10 months...my back up...an 8 month old pup is strictly an outside dog but both have the fear of "god" put in them by me at an early age. I squash (with extreme prejudice, lol) aggressiveness of any sort.

As good as a bulldog may act...IMO.....you never let your guard down...be vigilant when strangers are around and while out in the woods with new dogs. If something goes wrong...it's ALWAYS the owner/handlers fault.

That's the way I see it.

Chances that they were actually pit bulls are very slim more than likely some mixed up dogs trying to be passed as pit bulls. It is never a good thing that these things happen and I am very sorry for the families. 

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 A search warrent served and animals siezed, that may or may NOT have been involved. what does growing weed or suspected of growing have anything to do with a dog attack. The media is doing everything possible to discredit the man, and a specific breed of dog, especialy when at the time of the siezure, the was as stated NO proof his dogs were the attackers, but yet coulda been strays, since strays have been sighted in the area and being aggresive. Typical california queer action goin on, leave it to the pole vaulters to twist and turn the possible lie into what they know will achieve a public outcry over the attacks.

X2 Well said

Back in Florida I had a second job at the county animal control. BELIEVE ME......the media is prone to calling every darn dog with a big head and short coat a 'pit bull.' I know this factually because everytime a bite case happened that was publicized, I'd be the one doing the X-21 on the dogs and I'd see them first hand. There were some 'bulldog' looking dogs occasionaly, but alot of them were obvious mixes. Media hype. They think 'dog attack' alone isn't appealing enough. Gotta be a 'pit bull' attack.

That and people who do own bulldog type dogs DO need to be 'extra' responsible with proper confinement, and socialization, just as with ANY breed of dog.

Mixes most definatly, my patterdales are more likely to attack you then my catch dog....he gonna knock that a$$ over and lick you.   Miss LA  you would know better than me,  but what would the old bulldog men do with man aggressive dogs....since they required being handled so regular to do what in fact they bred them to do.

Leave it to misinformed coupled with the media to turn a breed known in the '20's as the "Nanny Breed"   #1 most populous FAMILY dog to into a man eater.  Then take all the chain toting thug wanna be's and.......not even gonna go there,  sorry y'all just really lights me up.

Man biting bulldogs (APBT's) earned a quick dirt nap back in the day, as it should be. (Well with exception of a couple I know of, not naming no names, lol.)

Yeah back in the day when only dogmen had bulldogs, this problem did not exist.

I'm so damn sick of hearing every dog bite having to do with a pitbull. I brought bambino (Dogo with cropped ears" people asume hes a pit to the dog beach the other day. I had one lady pick her dog up an put it in the car. she then had the nerve to come back and tell me she didn't feel it was safe for her dog to be around bambino. And boy the looks I got, I felt like I was a criminal. It's pretty pathetic If you ask me.

Stereotyping. Just like within humans. Hell I'm tattooed AND I own bulldogs. You know what THAT means!!! >>>eye roll<<<

Doesn't matter that I am very well spoken, and conduct myself like an educated human being. I STILL get the 'looks.'

You should see when I go to my daughter's school functions, LMAO!

Dodgegirl, u shoulda told the hag, it aint ur dog she has to worry bout, its the owner of the dog. No matter wjat u woulda said or did woulda changed the b!t(hes thoughts bout u or ur dog. I took my big red pit to kansas during the summer, went to a public swimin hole, had him chained to my tck bumper and a woman come over and said that it would be a smart thing for me to not leave the dog unattended, it mite have an accident. I informed her that if she wanted to keep her jaws in the current condition and didnt want to eat her food through a straw for several months, it would be wise for her to shut up n find some1 else to bother. Of course the county po pos showed up, talked to me and several independent bystandards and the truth of her thretening my dog came to light. She was ticketed for drunk in public, threatning bodily harm to an animal, lude behavior and use of foul language in front of minors. Only thing i was told, was to call them the nxt time something like that happened. Once the deputies relised kojo was a teddy bear n only harm he would do was lick u to submission and slobber on ya, i was good to go about my business

Mr. Charles, I had a lot going through my mind at that point, but I knew it'd be best if I kept my trap shut for once. I politely told her I was sorry she was leaving and hope she had a great day I then went about my business. But it sure gets my blood boiling when people see dogs like ours and think all they want to do is kill. Im happy the cops handled your situation the way they did.

omg...YOU have tattoos...and a bulldog.....;);) me too!!!!

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Sorry for the family but I have to say it with the breed who's fault is it the dogs or the owners they know what there taught

you guys are right imo , a dog does what is taught or not taught , a bull dog is not for everyone , they need to be taught extreme handle and socialized , this is time consumming and a pain in the a$$ , people are lazy , same thing with kids , a lot of people are to lazy to correct them or teach them and here we are ,I have a game bred  pitt pup with me now for three weeks , shes been by my side non stop , at work , fishing , everything , I know a lot of people cant do this but a bulldog needs taught extreme handle and is not normally easy , a dog pinned up and not worked with at a young age is not socialized and could be a problem ,I almost ripped a guys head off for playing hand games with her but he had no game lol , heres what can be achieved with extreme handle on game bred bulldogs , anything can happen but with handle you can minimize the risk and really know your dogs in and out , 2 game bred males 2 females and a new game bred pit just fitting in with the pack , I posted once , this is not the exception , I think true dog trainer or teacher are far and few between as the same for parents JMO



72 lb chinaman male , 65 lb chinaman male , 92 lb american , 50 lb red nose , chinaman female pup all running in a pack with no problems and extreme handle
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punch on the pic to watch the video and please comment , give your thoughts , ive herd a lot on the aggressive dog post , game bred post ect. in my case ive proved those wrong to this point , a pitt is a pitt but can you socialize , imo yes , can you make mean , yes just dont mess with it , leave it locked up , play hand games with it , that part is easy , just be lazy and let it go and then post here later to ask for help ,  tooooooo   late

I'd like to reiterate on prior discussion on battle bred bulldogs.

It *IS* possible to have bulldogs bred old school get along with other dogs. There's been CH and even GrCh dogs that would get along with other dogs, young pups, and even cats. It's just good to be in the right mindset of not letting your guard down, as if something sparks a spat, it can get real ugly, real fast.

With people now, there should be no exceptions. If any of my bulldogs ever so much as looked at me, or any of my kids cross eyed, they would be culled accordingly. Only bulldog on this property that would be a man biter is my American Bulldog, and that's his job, and he is 100% properly and securely confined to where he cannot and will not ever break loose.

Bob....I love that video! She looks so cute runnin and keepin up with the big dogs!

Thanks Krystal , oh yeh. You have tattoos OMG.   Wish I would of known.  Lol

lol yessir. Two half sleeves!  :o :o :o :o :o :o

Here is the update on this incident.  It appears that the dog owner is being held responsible for the death.


http://www.inquisitr.com/682128/dog-pack-murder-man-charged-after-his-pit-bulls-kill-jogger/ (http://www.inquisitr.com/682128/dog-pack-murder-man-charged-after-his-pit-bulls-kill-jogger/)

Dog Pack Murder: Man Charged After His Pit Bulls Kill Jogger

Posted: May 30, 2013


A dog pack murder charge is being leveled against a man who allowed his pit bulls to maul and kill a jogger in Southern California.
 
Police arrested 29-year-old Alex Jackson on a warrant for felony murder, also charging him with negligence, said Jane Robison, spokeswoman for the Los Angeles County District Attorney’s office.

The dog pack murder took place May 9, when 63-year-old jogger Pamela Devitt was attacked by four pit bulls in Palmdale. A driver passing by witnessed the attack and tried to deter the dogs by honking his horn, but he could not stop the attack.
 
By the time a deputy arrived there was one dog still attacking the runner. He chased it off into the desert, but it came back and tried to attack the deputy. He took a shot at the animal before it retreated back to the desert.
 
Devitt was rushed to a nearby hospital, but died in the ambulance.
 
The killing sent police on a manhunt in the area to find the dogs before they could attack again.
 
“Sheriffs deputies are knocking on doors in the neighborhood, patrolling and warning people in the area,” Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Captain Mike Parker said in the hours after the dog pack murder.
 
Within hours police found the pack at Jackson’s hose, seizing eight dogs. Four of those dogs were believed to have attacked Devitt.
 
Police initially arrested Jackson, but he was released on bail while police conducted DNA testing to find out if it was indeed his dogs that carried out the attack. Police said they have received other complaints about Jackson’s dogs, including at least three other reports of attacks. He has also been charged with growing marijuana.
 
“I do not blame the dogs. I don’t blame pit bulls,” said Ben Devitt. husband of the dog pack murder victim. “I blame people who don’t take responsibility for their animals.”

You know what....GOOD (on those charges). I am SICK of people not being responsible with their dogs, ESPECIALLY man biting/unstable bull breeds dammit (IF that's actually what they were.)