EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Been hearing about a lot of hunters in North Texas buying dogs lately with one week trials. Problem is the dogs have never been hunted. When they call the guy back he won't answer his phone or text. He always wants to meet you at some public place. Sometimes will even have other people meet you. He got to a buddy of mine and since then I have heard a lot about this. Does any of this sound familiar.

very much so. It happened to me. Met in long view which is over an hour from me and when I got there he wanted to meet at a gas station. Well then he calls and says he can't make it and is gonna send his wife. Supposed to have a one week trial. Anyways I paid $400 for the dog and when I found out she wouldn't do anything I tried calling back with no answer. I googled his phone # and saw he had several other dogs for sale. So I used a buddies phone and called him and lo and behold he answered . We had a nice chat (sarcasm) but there wasn't any way I would have gotten my money back. I finally got the dog to do something, she's been doing pretty good now. This was all my fault shouldn't have bought her. He wasn't much of a man

Could be the same guy. He didn't have ads on here but he did have them on bay dog.com I know he has an acct on here however because I had an ad looking for a dog and he called me bout it

He always forgets to bring his drivers license for some reason. Always in different vehicles. My buddy bought the dog off of here. Always says finished strike dog or catch dog but never gives any details.

I think the last of his number was like 1973 or something like that. I pretty sure it had 73. Mine wasn't advertised as finished but very well started

I'm pretty sure the Carthage ,Longview area is where the notorius Claud Ard use to hang out !

I've sure enough heard some stories bout him lol

I was wondering when that name was going to pop up.  :D

Sounds like text book claude ard to me!

That's not him. This guy is from Oklahoma. I wanna see how many people he got too and how many will end up stolen. And can anyone describe what he looks like and any certain tattoos.

Search Claude ard on here pretty funny post about him and his wife

I haven't heard anything about ole claude in awhile... but I have been watching a cpl other fellas and there dealings. Do your research, ask names loations. The dogs name ask around. When you see a dog for sale on here or any other place look at other sites compare the posts! There is a few shady ppl in my area.

He is from up around Paris, tx. He got my partner for $400. Bought a finished gyp for $800 that was scared of a hog. After much harassment he actually sent a money order for half. I posted a long description of how the deal went down, along with his screen name and the phone numbers he used. I was banned from this site for what was called slander. It hasn't Been up until these last couple months I've been able to get back on here. Best thing I can tell you, is watch what you say about him on here, and if the chance presents it self give him one in the teeth for us boys in Leon county.

yeah it was in Paris tx  and it was supposed to be his wife met me in long view

So u got banned for publishing the name n number/s of a crooked dog trader to hopefully prevent others from gettin takin for a ride and now others have been takin for a ride. Purty crappy to rmv a thread that could possibly prevent orhers from bein bent over the tailgate n taped. How is it slander if its the truth  ??? How is it possible to bring thief n crook out in the open if the "issue" should be taken up in pvt  ??? Dont make dang sence why u got banned for exposing a thief n tryin to help others out.

Hold on a second charles, while I see and agree with what you are saying we are only getting 1/2 of the story....... No offense to texashog26 at all but i have been in contact with at least 1/2 of the moderators at one point or another in the past and ive been on this site for quite a while, surely there is a little more to the story......

Justin, u r 100% correct about only havin 1/2 the info. Till the other half of the info comes to light, a person can only go off that. Im not saying he is correct about his bad dealings, but i cant say he is wrong either.

Thats a big 10 4!

 Justin, I call it how I see it. if it has webbed feet, flat bill and goes honk, honk. im gonna assume its a goose. if it ends up being a duck with a sore throat, then I call it a duck. a crook is a crook till something shows other wise. look at a person arrested for theft of a large some of something. until their case is heard and both sides are presented, those on the prosecution side see the person as a crook, those on the defense side may know they r a crook, but have to trick enuf of folks into believing the person is not a crook. I guess if the crook has greasy elbows, then they get to slip by.

I got took a few months ago from a young punk mid 20's from Paris met him in Tyler got two dogs from him and of course they weren't worth a dang. No answer on call back or text

It's pretty simple....

1. Ads on this board are strictly between buyer and seller, ETHD assumes no responsiblity.

2. You must include a valid e-mail AND phone number in your ad, no replies can be made on this board. If you do not feel comfortable providing that information, then post your ad elsewhere. Negative comments and/or bashing the individual or the dog in other posts will not be tolerated and will result in being banned from this forum. Any disputes between buyers and sellers will be held off the boards and in private. All IPs, phone numbers and e-mail addresses will be turned over to law enforcement if any legal actions are taken.

3. BUYER BEWARE... research the seller as much as possible. If the majority of their posts are in The Dog Trade, that should tell you something.

4. Sound advise: If you are going to spend a bunch of money on a dog ... GO SEE THE DOG HUNT/CATCH BEFORE YOU BUY. Any respectable person selling a proven dog will not have a problem with this, if they do turn and run the other way. Also get a trial period on the dog, but remember this... it takes a lot of dogs time to get used to their new owner and new packs. A short trial period is not always sufficient.       

                                   *** WARNING TO SELLERS ***
If you are advertising a "strike" dog or "finished" dog... you must be willing to show this dog in the woods!!! If you are not willing... do not advertise the dog on here!!!

                                   *** WARNING TO BUYERS ***
DO NOT... I REPEAT, DO NOT MEET AN INDIVIDUAL SOMEWHERE AND HAND OVER YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY ON A DOG YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN HUNT OR CATCH!!!!!!!

Don't come back to ETHD bitching because you got screwed over on a dog where you met the guy on the side of the road and took his word that the dog is as stated.

Same reason doors have locks, onlne accounts have passwords, and ETHD has the policy it has, there are crooks out there looking to make a quick buck.

I am not going to spend my time moderating a pissing match between a buyer and seller.  If you have a problem with how ETHD handles it's business, then don't log in.

Thanks Chris..well said.

  I had one last night pisssed cause he wouldn't show a 2k priced dog and only meet on the side of road. Then texted and talked smak all night. !!!

did ya offer him up a heapin servin of east texas butt whoopin?   ;D

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Is that the person in tge dogtrade that moded his post n removed the info n mike posted?

The only one week trial and guarantee I'd ever give someone is this....  In the first week that I even sold the best dog i have, he is guaranteed to piss you off atleast once, eat, chit, and he will also find you a hog more than likely.  If you want a "trial" then its at cost of the price for the dog, plus if returned, he gets a full check up including xrays at the vet of my chossing and tested for every disease known to man or dog that he could have caught being with you and your kennels, theres your trial. Whos to say he didnt do a hell of a job while you had him but he got licked a few times and has damage to him or catches kennel cough, rabies or some other crap.  After the check up, and the "buyer" has paid in full the vet bill, I then will give you back what you paid for the dog minus 25% for the hassle.  Sounds good to me....  Although I'd never sale my dogs.  Ive always said that if I ever had to get rid of them for any reason, they would go to my hunting partners or they wont go.

I'm not sure who the post about the pissing match between buyer and seller is too. I posted this because warning hunters not to trust their hard earned money on a one week trial. The guy will not answer his phone or text to return the dog. There has been a number of dogs stolen and sold. Someone is making a living selling sorry and stolen dogs with one week trials that will never let you get ur money back. Can't tell if a friend of a thief is selling the dog but if I see tatoos with dogs in them I will see a red flag.

I agree you are only gettin half the story, but the reason your getting only half is because this guy can't defend his self. He is prolly reading these post callin all of us a buncha chumps. I might agree with you on the half story part if I was the only one talking about it. And to answer the ? the only thing I did was explain the deal how it happened, along with posting the personal information that this guy gave me. Of course I was upset about the bad deal although I never got out of line with my comments. I was only trying to save the next man from a bad deal, which clearly I was not allowed to do because my post only lasted about 30 mins before I was banned. Believe what you will, that is until he sells you that jam up strike dog that's scared of its shadow.

Why cant he defend himself, banned too? I dont blaim u for wanting to warn people n he wont be sellin me a dog, jam up or a lump of turds. I aint got the money for a finished n if i did it would only b from those i KNOW personally. Dun been burt once, aint happenin again. The adage of "foll me once shame on u, fool me twice, shame on me" is tattooed in my head now n iv become a t-total a-hole bout it n wont go outa my to help most folks either bc of the knife in the back routine. Trust is now earned, not just a hand out

I believe some of this is being taken the wrong way, by no means am I lookin for a pissin match with anyone. I was just under the assumption that if I was able to help a fellow hunter out then I'm inclined to do so. I fully understand the rules of this site and also understand that sometimes deals aren't what they seem. I'm no veteran of the game by any means, but I am a man of my word and by no means are any of my past post or post to come meant to upset anybody. But if someone is doing bad business then I think it should he brought to light whether its on this forum or any other one.

Agreed
 it should b allowed, but like chris said and i accept it but dont agree with it,  its the rules, if the rules are not like, dont log on. It just seems that by not allowing a crooked dealer "dogs, equipment, vehicles or anything other services" to be posted and brought into the light, AS LONG AS IT REMAINS CIVIL AND POLITE, that its condoning the principles of theft n dishonesty. Even though its NOT those intentions of condonement on this forum, it could be construded that way if a new person didnt know.

Go check out any other hog dogging website, and find me a thread where someone calls out a dog deal gone bad, and show me that the thread can remain civil.... It doesn't happen. I've been a moderator or admin on enough sites that I know how they turn out.


Texashog26,
     I don't know you, and while I think your intentions are probably in the right place.  We have a policy at ETHD, we have also posted advice about buying dogs... Watch the dog hunt before you hand over your money!  It seems that you don't want to heed our advice, and you don't care for our policies... Is it any surprise that you were previously banned?

You want to let everyone know what happened, here's a way that we are ok with.

Post up that you had a dog deal gone bad, and that if anyone is interested in the details of the transaction, they can PM, email or call you and you can fill them in.  DO NOT go calling someone out and causing me or the other mods to spend hours babysitting a post, because you didn't do your homework on a dog purchase, and a crook was able to get one over on you.

The rest of us that buy dogs the smart way will continue to check references on the seller, the dog, and/or watch the dog hunt. 

Ur rite chris, very few if any bad dealings can stay civil. I admitt that iv let my emotions get the best of me both on n off this site. Thank goodness my crazy meds r workin n my temper is less, again chris, ur rite, once in a blue moon will a bad deal stay civil.

All of this is fully understood, reason being I've no longer posted about any deal good or bad. And just so everybody knows I was not the one getting the short end of the stick it was my partner. Yes I posted the comment that got me banned, and excepted responsibility for it, hence I was banned. You are correct about what  my intentions were and yes I understand the advice given from you and everyone else. As I said I'm not lookin for a pissin match, I only posted on this thread because the ? was asked if anyone knew of this outstanding fellow.somewhere from north Texas and I replied.  I also agree with the fact that a bad deal will not stay civil and that's why I stated I don't post about a good deal or a bad one.

Funny you mention not posting about a good deal or a bad deal... It reminds me of a VERY short trial we did here at ETHD several years ago.   It was a "feedback" thread, similar to an ebay style member feedback.  One of the very first positive feedbacks was posted up by a friend of a known dog peddler.  Right away we figured out that the feedback system was flawed as well.

that's about the time we took the position that we don't want to hear about the dog deals, because it's a rare occasion that a dog in the flesh lives up to a dog in text.

Dang man, wasn't trying to rile you up.....just stating simple facts, apologies if it was taken the wrong way.......

and referring to what I have hi-lighted in red......he wont ever sell me chit.....that ain't ever gonna happen.....my dogs comes from litters I raise or people that I know and trust........no exceptions, period ;D

Boy howdy, ain't that the truth.  :D

thats some words of wisdom right there circle c, well put!

beat me to it T-bob........... very well put in my opinion!

@Justincorbell- not riled up, no apology necessary. The comment was only a statement..we all at one time or another have been angry. This is not one of those times for me. I guess some of this got turned around alittle. I was never really mad at anyone with the exception of my buddy for completing the deal. I guess what it comes down to is simply the principal. Why ruin a reputation that will follow you forever and everywhere with one bad deal. 2 worst kinds of people in the world in my opinion, a liar and a thief more so the thief because he will lie about stealing.

agree completely!

Some of us were raised alittle different then others and that's a tough pill to swallow. I'm only 25 and wish a deal was done with 2 gentleman telling the truth and shaking hands on what the truth is.

There is another crook doing the same thing. Said his name was ************. Dog not worth a crap, temporary tags on truck, phone turned off the minute he gets the money in his hand.

Leave the names out of it like said earlier in this thread.

I'm going to lock this now as like Chris said baby sitting it is getting old.

It's also always funny that the #1 dog peddlers, who we receive the most complaints on, are usually the ones that get on here and start throwing names out. rolleyes