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Some pics of my Boudreaux/ Clemmons Pit . He's getting solid. Listens pretty good. Gets along with the other
dogs on the yard.

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Good Lookin Bulldog

Got ped on him? Looks good...

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=405415

Nice representative of that line of dogs. I did a breeding to Kincannons Musket a few years back but it was pure Carver down from Lil Man and Miss Kim. Proud to call Floyd a 30 year friend and got to meet Jerry a couple years back.

Didn't know too much about pits. We took a guy hunting and he seen we were in need of catch dog. The next day he called my son and said he had a pup for us. We knew he raised pits, but we didn't know anything about the dogs he raised.

The men who made those dogs have decades of knowledge. Both are near or over 80. Good luck with the dog. Don't let some growly cur start something cause your dog will sure finish it.

Nice! Hope he turns out how you'd like him to.

I look forward to hearing how he catches, he is definitely gonna be thick... He looks like a little angus bull.

I was thinkin the same...beefcake....BEEFCAKE!!!! ;D

I never started a catch dog before. He's 8 months. I use to bring him everyday in the woods with me to feed my
hog in the pen but he showed no interest in the pig. Maybe 1 or 2 barks from outside the pen. I quit taking him
about 3 months ago. Any suggestions as to when and how to start him would be appreciated. I have a spot in
Mississippi that I can work him  with another catch dog but that won't be later till the fall. He will be about a year then.  I have a barr about
150 in a  8 x 16 pen. Just need a little guidance .  Also awhile back there was a post that mentioned some sort
of exercise or workout you could do to prevent head shaking and re gripping. I searched but can't find it.

Had same situation showed two game pits hog they ran from it. Threw her in small horse trailer with hog and she had no choose.

Choice*

Good looking dog I like them black dogs

Show him a small pig get him interested in it an then when he gets a year old show him a hog with some attitude an I'm sure he will catch

You may have to grab the hog a flip it an get him interested

The stock trailer treatment will work if he doesn't show much interest.

You may have to let him hear a pig squeal to make his switch flip, but if the Barr is the only thing available, tape his mouth shut and maybe hobble the front legs to help him out.  I doubt the dog needs much help though.  Just watch his mouth, when his grown dog teeth are fully in go let him catch. This is just me though.

Have had bulldogs my whole life and some turn on real early some you have to wait on. And a lot of times its like a switch one day off the next day on. I'm pretty sure he will turn on, some are just late starters. But I'm sure some of the other ways that were mentioned might work to get him started quicker.

Catching is the easy part , like I said on here time and time again , handle is the most important , this takes lot of work and time , more than a baby for months , this dog was bred to hold on , only will take a few minutes to catch , months of Experiences ,dogs , people , kids , ect to teach handle , I believe catching a hog is the least of your worrys , handle first in my book , what a beautiful dog , he's a boss , don't rush him , be a good pack leader , no hand games

She looks nice.  Those black dogs give me the creaps lol. I agree with bob handle is durn sure at the top of the list for me in cds.

The guy that give us the pup was telling us today that the litter mates to our dog are VERY dog aggressive.
None of them went to hunters except ours.  I let ours out with my cur dogs about 3 or 4 times a week since
we got him and have had no issues. A couple times he got to playing rough and the older dogs put him in his place. Bob what do you mean by no hand games?

I mean don't let any one be grabbing it by the head , nose , slapping it around the head to get it to play rough with them , this will teach it bad habits that will be hard to brake , I had a guy jacking with mine like this , she was growling at him and he continued , I seen my wife pick up the pup with a strange look on her face , so I walked over there and just sit down observing , he grabbed at her nose and then slapped it in the ears , the monster came out in me at this point and he cured out you might say , I have been working with this dog since I got it , 24/7 to make here have super handle and then this , he had no idea what he was doing , he does now , once you achieve extreme handle then you can play if need be but not before , that's why I don't show a hog for a while , first teach calmness , handle , you show a hog a lot as a pup this teaches them to attack right off the bat and in most cases anything and trips them out at a young age , teach handle , calmness , around everything first , and then after that then teach it to catch , now once it hits the trip factor it respects you and once calmed down you have super handle. JMO , IT SURE IS A NICE LOOKING DOG ,I've had mine around hundreds of strange dogs , she is really doing good , this is not impossible , if he comes from dog aggressive dogs then this is we're he needs the most work now , not just your pack , go we're there are dogs , parks , ect. Talk to people ask them if you dog can smell there dogs butt , ask strange folks pet your dog , be bold , this is what I do every day with mine , I live by a park , boat ramp , lots of dogs and people , drunks , I go there a lot to teach handle , if yours is like mine he is out going , not scared of nothing with a very aggressive personality , establish your the boss , don't allow it to growl at dogs at a young age , correct bad behavior and you will not have to post a aggression post next year Lol. , I wish you the best , get them papers sent in , if he turns out to be great you'll want them in the future

Thanks Bob, I assumed that's what you meant by no hand games but I wasn't sure. And yes I need to get him
around strange dogs and strange people more than I have been.

Bob is bang on in his advice with these dogs. Someday he won't just let those curs put him down and you better have that handle to head it off before it's an issue.

From my experience with gamedogs I would say consistency is the most important thing. The socialization needs to stay on a consistent basis because with a lot of game bred bulldogs their dog aggression is so strong from years of selective breeding that if you stop the socializing for any prolonged period they will go back to being hot again, and once that happens you better have a lot of time and even more experience. That is some good advice from Bob as well. That prey drive isnt going anywhere its more important to have control.

He sure is a good lookin pup!

One thing I would like to add....

There's been some great solid advice on establishing a firm handle on this type of dog...especially from Mr. Bob! I wanted to add....there's a second important factor to owning a dog that's 'battle bred' if you will. ALWAYS be prepared, no matter how good of a handle you have on that dog, to know how to quickly and efficiently break up an accidental fight in the case that one may occur for whatever reason. Always have a stick handy, and remember to stay calm. I felt the need to bring this up, because there have been a few instances (in both the hunting world, and the everyday 'pet' atmosphere as well) I have seen of folks that get so comfortable with their bulldogs that they actually seem to forget that they ARE bulldogs, and boom, an accident occurs for whatever reason, and they just go into panic and do really stupid things in the heat of the moment to try to break up an accident, sometimes even hurting their dog in the process. I've seen dogs ruined this way. All in all, you may know that your bulldog may not START a fight, but keep in mind, they can and will FINISH one. No matter HOW good of a handle we have on our bulldogs that we do take out, we still take small precautionary measures of responsibility to help ensure no accidents occur. We NEVER load a bulldog into the dog box with other dogs. Bulldog always rides solo, or hitched outside of the box for instance. Sometimes if we're hunting with someone else, they may have a dog in their pack that is naturally dominant. Whenever I'm walking a bulldog out on a hunt, I always stay aware to make sure my dog stays clear of such dogs. Little things like that can make a world of difference. I know that not all types of bulldogs used out in the field are off of 'hot' lines, but it's still good to treat them all the same, at least in my opinion. NOT trying to tell anyone how or how not to handle their personal dogs, just trying to offer helpful insight from personal knowledge and experience from owning/working/handling this caliber of dog over the years.

Lil Man and Kim reminds me of when I was at LG's houseone time, would have been late 80's or so.  He had some brindle and white puppies in a pen and before we left, he asked if we would be interested in buying a puppy.  He showed us these puppies and wanted $250 for them.  He said they were out of his Lil Man dog and Miss Kim.  I passed on the offer, and got back in the truck to go home and I told my buddy . . . "I wouldn't buy one of those puppies, I've never heard of no LIL MAN or KIM.  That stuff aint near as good as this Jeep blood I got at home."  Anyway, you know the rest of the story.  Lil Man and Kim produced GR CH Tina, CH Son, Flint, etc, etc.  Miss Kim went on to become ROM and that bloodline was a consistent ass whooper for the next 3 decades.  That Jeep stuff I had at home was "garden variety" roll dogs at best, but at the time I thought that the pedigree actually meant something.  Anyway, I told that story to G-Man several years later and we bothed laughed and got a big kick out of that story.  Best bitch I ever had was out of Wiggles, a daughter of Ch Leroy Brown and GrCH Tina.           

Very good advise from all of you that commented. Thanks.