EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Sam was a ybmc and was like a friend not just a hunting dog. I'm not a bragger but he was one of the better hood dogs I had ever hunted with and had a handle so good you just didn't see very often. Only a 4 year old dog. I had went hunting Thursday night and had caught two boars with Sam and two other dogs. I was putting up my dogs at about 2am and noticed two little baby raccoons sitting on the top of the very end kennel. I didn't think anything about it and just let them be and went to the house. I had a male bulldog that was pinned next to Sam that was kind of worked up wanting to get to these coons when I had left the kennels but didn't think anything about it. I came out the next day to feed and this bulldog had manged to push his way through the wire at the top of his pin and into SAMs pin and had killed Sam. My guess is he was trying to make his way to the baby coons. Because there had never been any kind of dog aggression out of either one of these dogs. What worries me is that I would have never dreamed this bulldog would have ever done anything like this. This may sound weird but how do I trust another bulldog to not do something like this. I do know I will not pin another bulldog next to my curs. What are the chances of a female bulldog doing this? As I have only male bmc's. I'm thinking maybe of only keeping female catch dogs from now on. Something like this may never happen again, so I do realize I maybe blowing this out of proportion. Building better pins is also in the plans for the near future but I have had several bulldogs in this same pin and never had a problem. Just can't get this out of my head. Any opinions would be appreciated. Thanks

Best containment for a bulldog is a secure proper chain.

Sounds like you said....he got worked up over them coons and redirected his aggression on your other dog. Regardless of breed, that can happen. I have seen instances of that happening. Unfortunately in this case, because he's a bulldog, the damage was much more severe. I am very sorry for your loss.

As for your question about whether a female bulldog would do something like that? Sex does not matter in that type of situation. Male or female, doesn't matter.

Again, very sorry for your loss.

X2 , no matter how much handle you have on a bulldog it is still a bulldog and has a trip factor male or female , when the trip factor happens anything can happen if your there or not , they require a tight handle and a eye for things before they happen , I'm so sorry about your loss , don't beat yourself up about it , some things are learnt the hard way , I've been in your spot before even after I was told , it went in one ear and out the other , I paid the same price , I'm so sorry and god bless

Sorry for your loss and as stated above ive been in your shoes. Bulldogs are what they are and you have to be very very aware of what they are capable of. Again sorry for your loss.

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Agree with the hi-lighted 100%.

A buddy of mine has a GREAT female CD, this gyp listens to him as good as a well trained bird dog but and she still ended up killing one of his best currs...... little different situation, the male curr had gotten loose off of his chain and was tryin to get into her pen because she was in heat and she wasn't having it. At the end of the day a bulldog is a bulldog, handle doesn't matter once the switch is flipped. Hate to hear about your dogs man.

If a catchdog did that on my yard, I'd set up a meeting with the dog gods for him.
I've heard this type situation many times.

It's bad when stuff like this happens cuz they both can be like family if your like me but I have put a lot of dogs down due to Biting hands or dogs. I had one that took my boy ear dang near off I can tell you where he went. But as a long time pit owner of game and non game pits they are the same thing when action is called on they need to be treated as loaded guns cuz that's what they are most are sissy baby to Handle but when you get one that is hot you need to be carefull

Then it would be best that you never owned a bulldog.

Believe me, he didn't live to kill another dog. I feel that it might have turned into a bad problem in the future, had I not taken care of him. I just was wondering if I had female pits with my male curs if I would still have the same chance of problems happening. Example: I have double snapped opposite genders and led them away from a bay. (One being a cd) and not had problems. I tried that with two males and had to change things in a hurry. It could have just been that certain cituation. I'm not saying I disagree with all of your opinions, I just thought I would give an example as to why I thought what I was thinking. Thanks for the inputs

Just another word on pits if they are in a caged in are or tied up to another dog and are not calm it can trigger a attack as a rule never squar them off with another animal when they are excited or by by animal. They can get out of controll very easy sometimes it's hard to see becuz the pigs are taking the hit so just be carefull I was attacked by bull dog when I was young 3 surgerys and over 200 stitches was not my dog guy who didn't go by the rules of bull dog ownership

I agree that usually females and males get along better in MOST situations. I have recently been having a few situations with my ab with other male dogs he is perfectly fine with females,but I'm sure under the right situation that male or female wouldn't matter. 

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Im so sorry for your loss. RIP Sam.

So, if a man were to say the same for any dog...he shouldn't have dogs?
C'mon dude

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Had it happen to me also. Best cd killed my best strike dog. Woulda never thought it as well. I shot the cd and vowed to never get another pit. Well they catch the best for me. So I have another. I also now have a strike dog yard and a catch dog yard. They don't intermingle. And the catch dog is on a chain in a fenced in area. It works for me.

Yes, these situations can be easily avoided with proper containment of the dog. But your comments indicated you would cull the dog for doing something that it has been bred to do for many decades/centuries. To me that makes as much sense as putting a shock collar on a hound because you don't want it to open on track. It's not the fault of the animal...it's the fault of the owner for being uneducated at best.  Why anyone would own a bulldog and then be quick to cull it for animal aggression is difficult for me to understand.

No, Dude, we're talking about bulldogs.

And THIS kind of thing is what I was JUST talking about in another bulldog thread.

For all the folks saying they shot a bulldog because it killed another dog.....more power to you all in all, y'all do what y'all feel fit on your own yard....BUT....how can you fault a dog that did something selective genetic breeding from the past told it to do? If these dogs are contained properly, things like that shouldn't occur! That'd be like me shooting my Staghound because I didn't contain her properly and she got out and went into my rabbit pen and killed all my rabbits!

Owning a bulldog = A whole 'nother level of responsibility, and a big part of that is proper containment!

Bulldogs are not out of control beasts, but they DO need to be properly contained, especially when not working.

Owning a bulldog is taking a risk as far as dog aggression. Bottom line, if you don't want to take that risk, do not, and I repeat, do not own one!

so just because he would shoot a pitbull that killed another dog means he shouldn't have bulldogs.. Wrong how about shoot him and get rid of him instead if selling that dog to someone else and getting there dog killed because you didn't tell them he had dig aggression.. So it's best to just put that dog down and get one that doesn't fight or have any trouble out of it... I had that bulldog kill one of my male dogs I told myself I will give him another chance and about a week later he just jump on my lab and I said it ain't worth having to mess with a dog like this..

It is my opinion that the vast majority should not own a bulldog.

Some female bull dogs are more aggressive than males. I have two of the best tempered male bull dogs that my little girls play with. But I will never trust them totally, they are still bull dogs that can snap at any time. Be cautious and be smart about every situation. Just my 3 1/2 cents.

Just to so in clear..I'm talking bout game bred pits we know that's different story.
I'm talking bout the average out that little johnny picks up from the pound.
Ill cull them because I'm raising hog dogs not dog fighting stock.
The majority of people hunters and non hunters have bulldogs.
I live in the city and people walk there dogs on side walk in front of my house and 6 out of 10 are bulldogs

Dog aggression in bulldogs is not worse in one sex than the other. Dog aggression is dog aggression period.

No, they do not just "snap" at any time. That falls into the same myths that "pit bulls brains never stop growing, and when their brain gets too big, it swells, causing them to 'snap' and go crazy."

I'm sorry, but I cannot let comments like these go without speaking up. I am constantly having to fight legislations proposed by bulldog haters that say the same types of falsehoods that are trying to have the breed eliminated.

Also, dog aggression and people aggression are two totally different things, yet I see a lot of folks lumping the two together quite often.

Also, as far as shelter dogs go, you have NO idea what the genetics are behind any dog picked up at the shelter. That dog could be an ADBA registered dog for all you know, or, it could be 1/8 german shepherd. Completely unknown. A bulldog of any type should be treated with the same standards. Hell, my mother in law has a blue 'Am Staff' type dog....she isn't "game bred" (a term thrown around quite loosely nowadays), but if given the chance, she will do her darndest to grab another dog up.

"Game bred" or not, a bulldog is a bulldog. Some are of higher caliber than others, but all come from similar genetics. I'm sure that 99% of those that own bulldogs right now don't own them for 'fighting' purposes. That's beside the point. Their genetics are what they are. I can go pick up a beagle from someone even if I don't want him for running rabbits, but I bet if given the chance, he'll still run rabbits.

 

Rip Sam sorry for ur loss...
What if the bulldog got into the other dogs pen going to the coons and the other dog is the one that took the first bite? Either way bulldog shouldn't have gotten out but I don't see why everyone points the finger at the bulldog... there not the only kind of dog that fights with other dogs... just wanted to get my opinion out there but I am sorry for ur loss

I agree with the Mrs, I'll also say that no dog of any breed should be left unattended with a child.


I understand where you are coming from...I just see it a little different. I know the pound is a popular place for some to find a "bulldog" (something else I can't quite understand). I can't agree that the majority of people have bulldogs, simply because there's no way to prove that it is a fact. How do you know that 60% of those dogs walking in front of your house are bulldogs?

Amen! Bulldogs ain't for everyone. In my opinion those who trust their bulldogs 100% basically set their dogs up for failure. I say this because they start to think ther bulldog is an average dog and put the dog in a situation and when it reacts in a bad way they say " oh I had a great handle on my dog, I can't believe my dog did this"

This topic close to me cuz I have had these dogs my entire life and have been attack by one. That being said there many dog more aggressive than pits of any line or style mixed or not only different is that bull dog where bred to stop hold and or kill. Once there prey drive is triggered it is kill or die this was the way they brought to be you can't stop that behavior you can only manage it I have had many of these dog the best mannered one will still kill when you don't expect it to all bull dog owners just be safe with these dog and yes I am pro pit

Mind explaining a bit about what I have hi-lighted? Some people (including myself) don't care to wait over a year to raise cd pups, I do have one now that I am raising but I normally don't raise them, I pick em up already grown for next to nothing. The CD I have been using for almost 2 years now was found wandering down the side of the road in a not so good part of town and passed along to me, she has ended up being a GREAT dog in every aspect, had I not given her the chance we would have missed out on one of the best mannered dogs we own.  I have owned more than a couple cd's I got from the pound and never had a problem with em, I guess it goes back to some people being on the other side of the pet/ hunting tool line than myself........ if I want a house dog/ pet I would buy and raise a lab puppy.

 I personally have had great luck with pound bulldogs, some dogs just need a second chance.... I can honestly say that out of all bulldogs that have come into my possession as grown dogs only 1 has not made the grade and his problem had nothing to do with fighting other dogs, he just simply didn't care to catch a hog. For what I use a cd for I don't need to go through months and months of training, I simply need to make sure that he is good around people, is going to go to the bay from 40-80yds, catch and hold the hog and only the hog and not act a fool, thats about it. You would be surprised how well some of these dogs have worked for us. At one time myself and my main hunting buddy had 2 uncut male bulldogs that would follow us on horseback and would go to a bay on command, we caught TONS of hogs with those two dogs and never had so much as 1 altercation with them and and other dogs.....care to guess where they both came from? Not trying to start an arguement at all, I would just like to know why you are against pound dogs. I know of a more than a onet pretty well known and respected hoghunter / dogman that does it the same way and have for years and years with success.

Sorry for hi jackin the thread, maybe we should start a new thread for this topic....??

I don't think the problem is that a bulldog is more likely to "snap" than any other dog hell every cur I've had will scrap with the best of them if he gets irritated enough. The problem is that when a bulldog does get after another dog he's a lot stronger and don't have any quit in him

To the ladies and gentleman that are preaching hard core about not everyone should own a bulldog and whatnot... I used to be the same way, someone would post on here about a dog got off a chain or out of a kennel and killed another, and I would sit behind this computer screen (not owning dogs too long) and call them dumb or say they need to control their dogs better... But guess what you own dogs long enough and keep enough dogs on a yard stuff is going to happen... one day a dog will slip a collar, or in my case they will rip the door off of a perfectly good preifert kennel. And when that happens and I have a dog running loose that will kill another dog just because it has been "bred" into them, that is the last day that dog lives. Owning a dog that I know will kill if given the chance is dumb as hell and asking for trouble... Preach all you want about controlling your dogs better or better restraining them. Have 15 dogs long enough and one will get loose... Its just gonna happen. It sucks when you have to learn it the hard way... But my bulldogs are now completely separated from the curs, chained and kenneled!!!

Sorry about your dog man. I was there not 6 months ago... It really sucks!

So, do you own bulldogs?

I had three before the incident... now I have just one. I do not know if the 1 I have now will kill... He probably would of given the chance, and if I see any sign from him what so ever he eats dirt.

"Why anyone would own a bulldog and then be quick to cull it for animal aggression is difficult for me to understand."

This is what I am talking about... I might go through 50 pits/bulldogs before I find the right one, but they won't all have that aggression. SO ya I am going to cull every single one that shows it. The one I have now has shown 0 aggression, but if he does then he will be gotten rid of.

I wonder how many of these bulldogs that get culled aren't even the ones that start the fights?

hey guys if ya'll don't mind lets move thise discussion over to the "pound dogs" thread. The OP posted up about a good dog he lost and we are hi-jacking the hell out of his thread  :-[

Then my question to you (wine) is why do you own a bulldog?

Would you put a shock collar on a hound because he was open on track and you want silent dogs?

10-4 My responses will be there.

Sorry we hijacked this thread and sorry for your loss.

If the cur was tougher and the pit was weaker you could have had  one less catch dog  on your yard. I have 10 acres of land then 10 more between my other neighbor. So a total of 30 acres. My 2 dogs in kennel breeding. My neighbors dog leaves their 10. Crosses other neighbors 10 then comes on my 10 breaks into my kennel to try to breed my female .  Well my male won. But it could have went the other way. Sorry for your loss.

I agree...yes, regardless of breed is true but once a good bull dog fires up he/she will not stop until the job is done is the biggest difference IMO...

with some bulldogs the loud noise of a mower or weed eater will fire them up or a running screeching child...just depends on the bulldog...I treat them all the same...like a loaded 357 magnum...