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video on facebook? i cant explain the thoughts that go through my mind because i will get kick off of here but how much more messed up can u be to do that?!?! just down right sickning

care to explain a bit?

I watched ig and it brought me to tears. I fully understand that the police have a tough job to do but there was no reason for how things played out in my opinion.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152013118644622&set=vb.433440843399392&type=2&theater

thanks for posting and yes, that severly burns my ASS!

I don't like dogs getting shot.

But,

There were other people filming this who got in no trouble at all and lived to post there videos on Facebook. Why? You might ask? BECUASE THEY DIDN'T GO BOWING UP TO THE COPS AND TRYING TO PROVE SOME MACHO POINT.  Fact of the matter is, "that kinda people" ie thugs, don't know how to behave themselves, and that is what gets them in situations like this.
That fella figured he'd just run his mouth and interfere with an investigation and cops be damned. Well he put himself in a situation where his dog got killed.

That dog would still be alive if that dude would have just minded his own business.

Tbob you are right the cops were in the right I will not say what im thinking but that was one dumb sob

I guess I saw it a little different......regardless of if we like these "thugs" or "gangstas" what he did was not illegal unless there is a law walking around and filming the police when they are raiding a house is illegal.......He was filming them........it ticked them off, they approached him, he put dog in car, they placed him in handcuffs for what reason im still not 100% sure......dog came to owners aid but never really attacked anyone, cop advanced at dog, dog jumped......cop shot dog........ While I agree he was being a pecker head I think that the situation could have been handled a bit better from both sides........

I agree with you T-Bob....that guy knew that his windows were down where the dog could get out....nobody is that dumb, he put his dog in a bad situation, the dog was just being a dog. Dang that's a shame though.....I HATE to see a dog shot for any reason,.....but this is just plum unnecessary. Wish I hadn't even watched it now.

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Maybe the guy was a thug trying to provke the police, or maybe it was a guy whos relatives house just got rushed by thug cops and he wanted to get video for proof.....we will never know. There are two sides to every story. But as far as the dog goes, I think it could have been handled better on the part of the cops. Maybe they just dont have any experience or training when it comes to dogs.



Either way, its reality and its just plain sad.

As in so many cases, a dog gets the bad end of the deal, due to a sorry owner...   Happens all the time.

THIS.

IMO, the police were wrong.  I understand they don't like to be filmed, but tough.  The man did not interfere with the police activity  ...  he stood away from it and filmed it.  There was nothing I saw that justified putting him in handcuffs.

I will not say what my actions would be but there would be retribution of a clandestine nature.

X2.....yep! We can't hear what this guy was saying to the cops either......I still say he knew his windows were down so the dog could get out. It's a shame either way.....dog was just being a dog.

  yep you can't stand there and cuss out the cops which i'm sure this guy was doing . he had no business walking a rotty around while filming and saying who knows what to the police .  just a bad dog owner and the dog paid for his stupidness  .

All 3 of them (cops & the dog owner) were in the wrong in my opinion. the dog owner was more than likely running his mouth, because there were at least 3 people videoing and he was the only one they messed with. regardless of what the dog owner was saying (unless he was threatening them) he should not have been placed in handcuffs right off the bat. bottom line is, if you'll treat the "law" with respect - most times they'll treat you with respect... 

Proof, that in urban areas cops are completely out of control.  This type of police state mentality is moving into rule areas as well.  I feel like we are living in Nazi Germany.  Cops are kicking doors in without warrants or probable cause, shooting and beating whom ever or what ever they want.  At some point we are going to have to stand up and say enough is enough.  Cops go home and mind your own business.

Where do you get your news and info from? Lol!

If a dog came at me I would smoke it too. We dont know the story behind this so I'm not going to say anything about what was going on and put my intelligence at risk but I will say the dog looked very aggressive to me. It sucks that the man lost his dog but I bet he'll drive on home next time and not stick around where he doesn't belong.

I am a certified criminal defense attorney, i have practiced law in Texas for 15 years.  I see these same situations on a daily basis and it makes me sick. COPS ARE OUT OF CONTROL. So you are saying that a citizen does not have a right to be on a public street! 

Coming from a LEO perspective....without knowing what was being said and exactly what was going on I can only assume and we all g know what that stands for LOL. However if the guy was causing a disturbance during an investigation that is grounds for arrest...the officers could have felt that if he was inciting the surrounding bystanders, and his behavior was getting out of hand then by all means arrest him. I have taken people to jail for similar incidents....

As to the dog I support the officers decision to shoot if he felt it necessary HOWEVER I think I would have tased him first before drawing my weapon...bad owner bad position for the dog.

There was a stand off at the house. Armed suspect. Guy didn't listen to police to vacate area then ran his mouth. I do not know the thoughts going through the officers heads so I can not comment. I do know pepper spray is not a good deterrent to many dogs. Listen to the police , bottom line.

Nazi Germany ? Really ? You must live in a really bad area because I have yet to hear of that.

I think this was handled badly by all parties.  What I don't understand is when the dog jumped out of the car if he wanted to he would have ran straight to someone and tried to defend his owner.  There were atleast two times when the cops reached for the dog and he kinda backed away when he could have just snapped at them.  When the last cop briskly walks up and pressures the dog the dog does snap but is not lunging at the cop he is already back on the ground by the time the cop shoots him.  I just feel like if the cops would have let him the owner easily could have got his dog calmed down and placed somewhere safely out of the way.  And if your gonna shoot anything kill it fast.  Good lord he shot the dog several times and then just backed up to watch it sieze up and die.  Just put it out of his misery.  

So your saying WITHOUT knowing full details of he incident the cops are 100% percent in the wrong??? With out KNOWING what was said/done NONE of us know what was TRUELY GOING ON!!

As far as Cops being out of control well there are bad apples every where attorney's included that are out of control.

If those officers fill that the man was distracting the investigation from themselves or other officers they can arrest for obstruction. Dont play victim, that guy new what he was doing, thats why he immediately turned around and didn't argue. Besides theses cops that are out of control are keeping food on your table so, your welcome. Slow down and Drive Safely! popo

I understand what you are saying and agree to an extent. With that said, you cannot dictate a tame or wild animals aggression or action the first time you've ever seen the animal in question. Secondly, you only shoot as many rounds as necessary to stop the aggressor. Especially in public. I agree that they should have tried OC spray or something but I dont know what was going through there minds either. Good post Whistler.

LIKE.... lol

That makes sense what you said about shooting in public.  I am sure the officer didn't go around the station bragging on what he had done.  If he was a dog owner I am sure he was very sad.  I get that he felt threatened and was trying to take care of himself and probably just went with his first gut reaction.  Just an all around crappy situation.

I don't know what the guy said but it's his right to film the cops they're not allowed to stop you from doing so. But I do know if I'm holding a gun Fido isn't gonna bite me.

We couldn't hear what words were exchanged between LEOs and dog owner, so we can only speculate there.
As for the dog situation, the owner looked very distraught as he witnessed his dog shot in front of his face, which was very sad, but ultimately he put the dog in a risky situation in the first place. Even when he put the dog back into his car because he knew he was about to be arrested, he didn't bother to roll his windows up to where he couldn't jump out. Hell lord only knows what woulda happened to the dog even if he did have him secured in the car once he was arrested. ACO's would have been called and the dog would have been impounded at the shelter, probably declared 'dangerous' in the process due to defensive behavior, and the fact that his breed works against him.
Sad situation for the dog for sure. He was acting on instinct, trying to come to the defense of his owner.

Ok, so you are a police officer that wants to do his/her job everyday and protect your community.  At the end of the day you want to go home in one piece.  So now put yourself in the officer's situation.  They aprehended a person, for some reason that is not clear.  While apprehending the person, a large breed dog tends to jump at you and all of a sudden you are threatened.  What are you going to do.  Fight with the dog?  Let him bite you; I mean you want to go home at the end of the day in one piece.

I am not a lawman, but I think officers have some level of self defense to help protect them against other humans, and then they have second and third levels of defense.  Are officers trained themselves to defend themselves again large breed dogs, probably not.

I don't know what I would have done in that situation.  It is easy to say right from wrong and say what I would do sitting behind this computer screen.  I feel bad for the dog, he was trying to protect his owner, nothing wrong with that and I think the only person to blame is the dog's owner.

Who knows what was said but if the man was so much in the wrong about the video why didn't the cops come over sooner confront him and tell him to leave are stop the video.  Then if he did not do what they ask then arrest him instead of just letting him do it for so long then all the sudden come over and throw him in cuffs.  Am sure the guy with the video was a prick Mr Bad ya know and as most the time the innocent dog pays the price for some dumb prick owner !

 I will call a apple for a apple don't make no difference to me and Am all over the cops most the time but  from what I can see that was handled piss poor and sure not professional by the boys in blue  !  Just because you wear a badge don't make you right all the time and a saint !   Does that mean the owner of the dog was right no it don't it just means it was handled piss poor and the dog paid the price !

I listened to a copy that had sound.  The only thing I heard the guy say was "that's a civil rights violation" as he went to put his dog in the car.  Prior to that he wasn't saying anything and the guys who filmed it all were commenting that the police were annoyed that he was filming.  As they walked up he wasn't saying anything and the female officer told him to turn around, which he complied with.  She then handcuffed him.

The only provocation I saw was that he was filming.  Clearly his legal right to do so.  I would.  He was not within any perimeter barrier.

I think this was in LA. 

It will be interesting to follow this story and see the resolution.  That should be easy since this is on several national newswires.

I was wondering where this was....I'm going to look it up....

x2...I can't say for sure if the cops were in the wrong or not but...they should have given that man a chance to shut up and go home...after that if he didn't follow those instructions...then it should have been handcuffs at that time...it seems that the cops jumped the gun...

Really?  I have the right to speak.  If I am not interfering with the investigation then I see not why I have to "shut up".  I certainly have the right to be on the street unless it has been cordoned off.  If so, show me where that is and I will stand there.  Apparently, it couldn't have been more than 50' because this whole incident was filmed.  Follow instructions?  Not if I am doing nothing illegal.

Just because a cop is annoyed by being filmed  ...  tough.  In the world today with all the smart phones, they are pushing water up a hill trying to stop law abiding citizens from filming their activities.

I just don't think that people on the street should badger or cuss the cops when they are trying to do their job...but there is a fine line...we should be able to film the cops doing there job anytime any where as long as we are not being disrespectful and not interfering with what they need to do...

They will probably lose their jobs. I would have shot the dog myself if it was coming at me like that.

its a shame the dog lost his life for his owner being stpid, should of had a handle on the dog.

Just my opinion and nothing more BUT if that dog was going to bite someone it would have as as soon as it got out of the vehicle.........

This video has me split. Both to me were in the wrong from the vantage point I had. Dude did something to cause the cops to want to talk to him. The cuffs were brought out awfull fast in my opinion. The cops firing with little regard to the people in the area bothers me. The fact that they chose to jump to shooting so fast bothers me. That dog did not have the body language that indicated it was intent on attack. The dude was more than likely in an agitated state which brought the dog to his aid. Lots of folks don't realize or know that a dog any dog that is bonded to its owner will react to its owner being agitated. Hate the dog got shot but no way blame can be pointed at one person.

I'm on the same page...

It'd probably help as well if officers had to go through a course to better learn body language of canines in general, since they encounter so many while doing their jobs. This could potentially lower the number of dogs shot to death. There are almost constantly stories on officers shooting dogs that were simply approaching to greet them, but they misunderstood that action as being charged. I've taken classes due to my prior field of work in order to better read dog's body language and behavior. I'd be willing to bet that that Rottie was actually FEARFUL and confused at that moment.

I must be the only person that saw the dog bite the officer's leg the first time he lunged at the cop. I'm not saying the situation was handled properly by any party involved.  But, as a dog owner if you don't properly restrain an aggressive dog, it's your fault as a dog owner if the dog gets shot confronting a police.
I hate the dog got shot but why was his master provoking the men in blue in the first place. 
This is a problem in the country today.
 People do not respect law enforcement, teachers, or even elders for that matter. As a society, Americans are quick to blame others for their actions and not accept any responsibility for their own actions.

Facebook deleted that whole post & all the comments on Noah's wall. What a shame so much for freedom of speech.

Wow seriously?!

It's a shame when they'll take down something like that so fast, but there have been other more terrible things posted up on Facebook that took forever to be pulled down.

Yeah so much for freedom of speech!

It was Snowden. Lol!

as far as the windows being down on the car, i highly doubt the dog owner realized he was going to be arrested and put in cuffs when he put the dog in the car. he put the dog in the car and walked towards the officers in a non aggressive manner, as if he was expecting to talk to them. they immediately cuffed him and took him to the curb. in my opinion, he wasn't being an irresponsible dog owner. the dog was leashed while filming, and then placed into the car to be OUT of interference with the officers before they approached him. i really doubt his windows being down was the primary thought in his head at that moment... situations like this ARE THE REASON we should have full rights to film what police officers do.

as far as shooting the dog. the officers had little option to do much else, things were going to hell in a hand basket fast. the wrongs were committed by the officers way before it ever reached that point of the situation.

Imagine what the officers would have said if the man put the keys in the engine to put the windows up. They might have said he was trying to flee. Very sad situation.

The owner of the dog has a video explaining everything that went on. And he had a very good point. When the two officers had him the dog did go after one of them but the owner said "no max" so the dog backed off. Then the third officer having no idea what was going on came up and went towards the dog right away. He then shot the dog wounding it and the dog went the opposite way of the officer, the officer then sent THREE more rounds into the dog. Why did he put three more rounds in a dog that was already shot and not coming towards them?

Could you send me the link to this vid? I'd love to see...

I would also.

I will try to find it again on my newsfeed

http://youtu.be/cqjyc6naDKI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-mVjFJbTvM\

wasn't to hard to find on youtube.......

lol thank y'sll. Yeah I suppose I coulda checked there....  :-[

agree

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Totally agree with you

If able to, I hope they made their piece with god if they do it to my door with out a warrant and I hope they brought their own body bags, bc I only got 1 and its for me.
I agree that the po-po's have a dangerous job, a job that's not ment for every person, even some of the cops out there but some1 has to do it, but they should know how to protect and serve. not serve for their personal agenda, but serve the people, the same people that they violate the rights at times in the name of the law. cops r not above the law in any circumstance, not all do it, but the bad apples spoil it for the bushel and when they break the law in the name of upholding the law, they too should be placed in chrome bracelets.

The cops were already dealing with armed robbers, they don't need some jackass harassing them. That guy picked a bad time to show his ass. I think the cops shouldn't have unloaded there weapon with so many people around. The guy is already working on his lawsuit.

how about the outcome of a civilian shooting a threatening le canine?

they place their "canine employees" almost, if not equal to, a human officer.

but wait, it's okay for them to use canines as long as it's in their interest, while

our rights to raise, possess and use canines is steadily infringed upon?

civilians cannot even legally kill a dog unless it is in the act of

endangering domestic livestock, even then...

as a side note, i'm not against military and law enforcement using dogs. not in the least.

it's just that the gap in between what is okay (moral, ethical, lawful) for government, military and law enforcment and what is okay for civilians gets wider and wider by the day. it seems to me that to be able to create and enforce standards, you, as the creator and enforcer, must also live by the standards you create and enforce.  who will guard the guards?

as a side note, i'm not against military and law enforcement using dogs. not in the least.

it's just that the gap in between what is okay (moral, ethical, lawful) for government, military and law enforcment and what is okay for civilians gets wider and wider by the day. it seems to me that to be able to create and enforce standards, you, as the creator and enforcer, must also live by the standards you create and enforce.  who will guard the guards?
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its a do as I say, not as I do government. they shouldn't be charged to uphold the law if they cant abide by the law. who will guard the guards? I used to be the rights of the civilians, but that power has been forgotten and removed, the law makers don't ask the citizens to vote on the laws, they just make them and ignore them theirselves.

I say AMEN to that...

At the same time we are the ones putting food on their tables, both cops and the thugs!!! I don't see how they keep food on my table???

He was referencing criminal defense atty's.

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The cops should of use there baton first , or tazer , then the gun , supposed to use what force to get situation under control , with out goin staight go leathel force unless you have to fear for your life an with 4 or 5 cops there the dog is not going to kill you

If the officer thought the dog was about to bite him then I stand behind his actions. I doubt someone is going to shoot a dog in public being filmed for the fun of it. Common sense should tell you that.  Yes , I am sure the officers knew multiple cameras were on them.

im sure those of you.who are law enforcement officers are not.going.to.speak against the actions of fellow officers. and im sure those who live in rural areas who know every policeman by name and have never dealt with a angry police.officer who has.to.deal.with alot of drama and legit criminals daily cant truely understand how (semi understandably)rude and short tempered inner city cops can.be..  Ive dealt with these cops spending ALOT of time on the southside of chicago. and while alot of ppl say what they will do.for.their dogs.. ive sat in jail.over mine and the right to own them.. With that being said if I was walking.my dog.. and seen police officers at work.. doing inportant work..  video taping would not be on my mind. I cant.watch thee entire video.but I.believe the dog.is a rottie.. A dog who.I know will protect and defend.to.the death.. if he would have jus looked.over the situation before hand.. this could and should have been.prevented..