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Country Bumpkin

Bout time.

Now make him the head of Security for the neighborhood and begin training recruits.

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Country Bumpkin

If it had been my son he killed, this is the result I would have wanted.

Revenge is much easier accomplished against a free man.

Ill put in my .02 cents. They represent the trayvon guy like he's a middle school kid. But he was gang related and drug tests proved he was higher than a kite that night. He did put a pretty good beating on Zimmerman smashing his head into the concrete? I can easily see why Zimmerman thought that was the end for him

at the beginning I thought Zimmerman was a bad bad guy...and Trayvon the good guy...but as I learned more I believe both were in the wrong...and 2 wrongs don't make a right...

and if Zimmerman would have minded his own business this would never have happened but the law is the law and that is why he walked...

Never bring skittles to a gunfight.

Why should he have minded his own Buisiness when he was neighborhood watch that saw someone that was suspicious. Maybe Martin should have not attacked him and just continued to his home. Then this wouldn't have happened,

U can't blame a man that is doing what he was asked to do that is completely leagel that later was defending himself from someone that was trying to Hurt him.

I don't get how everyone keeps defending the attacker and attacking the defender.

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I am not defending the attacker just trying to be logical about what happened...I started out looking at Zimmerman as a "want to be a cop" so bad that he was one of those that doesn't need to be in the NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH program...there is such a thing...but that was me making an assumption...I would have acquitted Zimmerman as well on the info that I have...

Treyvon was a gang thug, doper, criminal that needed killing. IF he had of killed Zimmerman nobody would even know anything about it. I am retired and watched alot of the actual trial. The evidence was overwhelming in favor of his innocence. The states witness were pathetic.

Answer me this. Would you rather have Treyvon or Zimmerman as your next door neighbor?

If you didn't sit on on the jury or through the court proceedings in the court room all anyone has is an opinion. No one has all the facts because no media source will report just the facts much less all the facts. The American justice system did its job according to law and that should satisify everyone with the exception of those who sat through every second of the proceedings.
Should never have received all the media hype especially considering some of the trials that received very little coverage such as the Gosnel trial. Proof that the liberal media is doing its due diligence to keep racism stirred up in our country today.

The last statement in my last post was not directed at u bruin but at the public in general. I have seen so many in this case do as such.

Meanwhile here where I live a grown man beat a 28 month old little girl for 6 months before she died as a result. The mother allowed this to happen to her child. The Lil girl wasn't the mans daughter.

He got life. She got 20 years. Where was the public outrage? Why didn't they beat him to death over a 6 month period.
   
    I see so much in this world today that is horrible that receives no attention while a non story that should have remained as such gets all the attention because it divides the public and pits us against each other and turns our attention from more important things that are going on. If people don't let the media destroy us in the next generation it will suprise the devil out of me.

I meant Reuben. Sorry.

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no problem whatsoever...we are expressing our views...

and no doubt...I would rather have Zimmerman living next to me any time and not Treyvon...

If I was on the jury, with what limited info I know of this case, I would have acquitted.

If I was the parent of the young man killed I would have a different threshold.

Really?  Based on what little is known about him, you opine that he "needed killing"?  Where do you draw the line of who needs killing and who doesn't?

As to who one would prefer as a neighbor  ...  what does that have to do the with price of coffee?  The combination of your statements might lead one to conclude that anyone you deem not worthy of being your neighbor is a candidate for being killed.

Agreed.



Actually, it received as much media hype and attention from the entire media spectrum.  From conservative to liberal media.  All any of them care to do is inflame their audience so that they will continue to watch/listen to the pot stirrers.

I wouldn't want either one as my neighbor.

I think there are a lot more issues in America that should make news other than BS like this.

The NAACP and the family are going to sue Zimmerman. This is all BS. The Al Sharptons and all these race baiters make their money off of this kind of stuff. The president even made comments on this case. The prosecution didnt want to take this to trial, but were forced to do it... More Tax dollars wasted

If woulda been a white on white, black on black, mexican in mexican or any other race on race killings. Its a good chance NONE of it woulda been commercialized to the extent it was. Look at the majority of the races in the prison population. What race holds the mojority? Exactly, 1 less in the system. Zimmerman just saved $1000s in tax money. Its cheaper to burry than to feed n house a criminal for 3yrs. Some of that little hoodlums actions can be contributed to his parents, there for, they r partly the blaim for his culling from society. Hopefully any personeal suits against zimmerman will b sqaushed before more tax money is waisted in the court systems.

They cant blame whitey on this one because 5 of the 6 jurors were black women.

Now thats funny. True, but still funny. I do agree, whitey did hav a hand in this 1. Now lets see if there is an riots that spawn from the vedict

I'm glad Zimmerman got found not guilty I do not like thugs or worthless dope heads. They say they are going to riot but I think they are just running off at the mouths. I'm not a racist but I just do not like people that steal, smoke dope don't work or support their family or think I owe them some kind of respect because they ancestor had to pick cotton. That goes for white or black people

He needed Killing because he was on top of Zimmerman beating his face to a pulp on the concrete. What is he supposed to do let Martin kill him. Chicago had 12 deaths and 74 people shot over the 4th weeked and the overwhelming majority were black ---where is the outrage over that.

I checked 3 sources, all major news outlets, and the composition of the jury was 5 white females and 1 Hispanic female.

I don't know enough hard facts of exactly what went down between those two individuals to make a full opinion on the verdict. I CAN throw my opinion out there based off of what I did read in various sources.
RACES ASIDE......because race should NOT be a factor here (speaking for myself anyway) .....just because a kid is walking around a complex with a hoodie on should not automatically mean he's up to no good. I know that stereotypes are a b*ich though, so I'm sure Mr. Security stopped him to question him or whatever because that's what he assumed. Whether the kid was gang affiliated or not, was a weed head or not, IN THAT MOMENT should have been irrelevant, because he was simply walking through the parking lot....NOT attacking, or harassing anyone, or causing a duisturbance. He was indeed unarmed. So okay, the two wind up in a tussle/grapple/fight....what....was Mr. Security seriously in LEGIT fear of his LIFE to where he pulled his gun and had to shoot this kid DEAD? Only weapons this kid had on him were his fists, a soda pop, and a damn bag of skittles. I'm sorry but......in THIS particular situation, I don't feel that Zimmerman was justified to take this kid's life. Shoot him in his leg or arm or.....somewhere just to wound and make the kid imobile......but not kill. I think it's pretty frigged up that a lot of folks are all like " Oh it's just another thug off the street " or whatnot. Does this concept give me the right to just go take a ride to the 'hood' and get to blastin people cause they LOOK suspect, and they're 'thugs' or whatnot? Now this is just my opinion, like everyone else has expressed. I DO NOT know what EXACTLY took place in that incident, so I'm sure if I had more specific info, it is possible that my viewpoint could shift a bit in regards to the legit 'fear for his life' or self defense claim. All we can do is speculate.
Let me add: I do NOT condone ignorant law breaking idiotic behavior from ANY human being, black, white, yellow, purple
                  I FULLY support the right to bears arms, and to defend myself and my family (and I WILL), if JUSTIFIED
I'm sure at least one person is not going to like my insight. But it's just an opinion, like everyone elses.

Who knows. Zimmerman knows in his heart if what he did was justifiable, and he will carry that for the rest of his life.

wow... "needing killing" strong words.. ill keep it short.. I wouldnt care if zimmerman was innocent if the state of florida didnt.get TWENTY years for firing warning shots at her documented abusive husband... can someone explain the justice in thay to me? I mean.im not perfect.. ive done things that where flat out.wrong.. but if you feel like my.wrong.doings makes.me.a.person.who."needs killing" grab your gun and id gladly meet you ANYWHERE  ;D smh..

My opinion in the state of Louisiana a 17 year old is no longer a kid. A 6+ft tall individual that is on top of you beating your face and smashing your head on the concrete is not going to be looked at as a kid if your taking the beating. Age at that point was of no concern. In prior weeks there had been multiple breakins and burglaries in the neighborhood by....you guessed it a black individual around 6ft tall wearing a hoodie I'll have to go back and check sources to verify that but I'll try and get links for it. So if your on neighborhood watch someone matching the description shows up and you confront them they flee and then sneak back up on you and commence to bouncing your head off the concrete are you gonna ask for their age before you defend yourself?

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I'm just Glad to see Hollywood and the threats of the BS Black Panthers didn't get there way and the system did its job and weren't influenced by all these A$$h!!!! groups. Now just waiting for the riots can't wait!! :)

Don't forget in the 911 tape he said a suspicious person sneaking between houses apeared to be looking in windows. Also this was a gated community not just an open neighborhood.

The fact of lack of cuts on his head is irrelevant. A concusion hemerage or death can be caused by blunt force trauma without leaving a scratch, the part of him being a kid is negate because I would figure Z didn't ask his age while he was receiving the blows to his face and head. All he saw was a person beating him. He fired his shot to stop the attacker. My guess is he could not hit that same spot again in the same situation. Meaning he fired and bullet landed where it may. I don't condone going out looking for people to shoot but in this case laying on ur back receiving a beating u do what u can to stop it. Who is to say Martin may have been getting up off him when Z fired but how could he know Martin wasn't getting up to kick his teeth in.

Just look at the facts as presented. Take out age take out race see where u land. In this case I land with the defendant.

A neighborhood watchman approaches a suspicious looking young man (he was not a child by any means).  When confronted, the young man had several options.  

He could have respond no sir I am not doing anything wrong just walking home.  Ok then be on your way.

He also could have ignored Zimmerman and just kept walking home.

He could have said F U, you creepy azz cracka, and why don't you mind your own business, and kept walking home.

none of those scenarios would have gotten him shot any killed.  

It is clear that martin assaulted Zimmerman during the confrontation.  There is concrete evidence of that  That is what got him shot and killed.  I am assuming Zimmerman began to loose the fight........he then reportedly feared for his life and pulled out his gun and shot martin.

The justice system prevailed despite media and political bias.  I am very please to see that was the case.

Was martin up to no good.  probably.  but that's not what got him shot.  What got him shot was assaulting Zimmerman.

Was Zimmerman a wanna be cop who got his rocks off playing cops and robbers.  probably.  Is he a Wussy *P for letting a 17 year old beat his azz.  Id say so.  Does that make him guilty of murder.  Absolutely not.

RL if it were my kid that were killed in that scenario,  I would know squarely where to put them blame.   And Id wonder where I went wrong as a parent to allow my kid to grow up to be someone who would get them selves in that sort of a situation.  I dont let liberal, biased media cloud my judgment.

X2 well said people have a tendency to base their opinions off the media, get actual facts before making ASSumpitons!!!! Their is a lot more to the situation as for blaming one or the other look outside the box at the big picture.

Well Said!!! Pretty good summary!!

Country Bumpkin

praise the lawd...you hit the nail right on the head...I see it exactly as you...

usually when the kids become hoodlums it stems from bad parenting whether it is intentional or not...

Wmwendler...I basically said the same thing as you but in a few words...sometimes, just have to read between the lines...  :)

Anyone see the news story about Obama commenting on this whole ordeal??

Country Bumpkin

It's pretty clear the kid could have got away but instead he stopped trying to get away knowing he could kick Zimmermans ass. I dont see where everyone comes off thinking Zimmerman should have easily handled him the kid was in entirely better fighting shape than a fat Mexican 10 years older. Than him. How many of you were in better shape at 30 than 17?

at 17...I was pretty stout from shoveling cement most of the day and sometimes running the big jack hammer at a 30 degree angle...it was a hot summer job but I was in shape...

This kid probably never had a job, and it wouldn't have been a strenuous job like that if he did but I'd be willing to bet he played some sort of ball on a regular basis. Not to mention he was apparently a regular fighter.

Heres another thing to think about for those of you who say you wouldn't have shot... Have you ever been in a fight to where your opponent had you in a full mount? I have and I promise you'll do whatever you can to get out of that there's no doubt your in fear when your opponent has full control of you.

RL,
Your right, I read it wrong. Know I hope this all goes away

27 year old me would put 17 year old me to shame in a fight.  The only thing stronger when I was 17 was my cockiness which does not help in a fight.

Waylon

I hope it don't get much worse at 30 when I was 17 I was a fighting joker now at 25 I do good to make it throughout the day without throwing my back

Out

The gun shot went from the bottom up into Martin's chest. The only way that could happen is if he was on top of him pounding his face into the contrect. Which lick was going to knock him out? Would all the bleeding hearts feel better if he had of killed Zimmerman and then be running loose with his gun. I still say he was a gang thug, doper, criminal, that needed killing.

An 80 year old man that sold produce on the high way was killed 500 yards from my house. The wanted to steal his car so they could go rob the bank in Noonday. However, none of the 3 perps could drive a stick shift so the killing was for nothing. AND they didn't even have the sense to rob him of the 400+ dollars in his pocket. The man that did it was named Patric Horn (check it if you doubt me) and he had also killed a 10 year old child in Tyler named Chad Choice. He sent body parts of the child to his mother in order to extort money out of her.

I stay armed 100% of the time and will damn sure challange anybody that I do not know that is on my property.

This issue makes as much sense as suein the m@m company for not puttin equal color of m@ms in each pack.

If I was getting my face pounded into the concrete and I could not get who ever off of me and I was fearing for my life you can bet if I got a gun on me he is fixin to catch some lead.  Zimmerman did what he did in fear of his life and its the same damn thing 99% of the people bitchin about all this would have done if they were in the same postion !  The whole point is when Martin decked Zimmerman and then kept on beating him and stayed on top of him and never got off till the lead took him off that is were the problem lies . If he would have kicked his ass then got off of him and went on it would be a different story but when he stayed on top of him and kept slamming him that is when it became a different story and that is why Zimmerman is a free man .

I got a gun just about everywere I go and all I can say is I would have done the same thing if I was in that postion and never batted a eye !  I don't know all the facts of this but if this is the case then its shame on who ever .

I read an article on fb that Ted Nugent wrote that made the most sense to me. But don't know if I can find it now. Maybe somebody else can post it.

george did what anyone of us would have he defended himself an the media an propaganda ran with it an twisted for ratings.many crimes are commited daily against all races that never make the news,the martin family profitted from this trageity an that is sad.

"For those of you who say you wouldn't want to be in Zimmermans shoes on judgement day, keep in mind if you had a teenage son, Trayvon probably would have stolen his shoes" lmfao best thing I've heard about all this

It seems the best thing outa this whole ordeal is, there is 1 less hoodlum running around beatin up on his elders, an elder elected to keep his neighborhood safe from crime. Zimmerman just culled a waist of oxygen from the neighborhood

all the racism - real or imagined by all sides, and the "he deserved it" type comments  notwithstanding , i'm tired of this case.

 Basically One dumb A  annoyed another dumb A to the point that they started a fight. It's essentially a bar room brawl case at day's end. As in those bar fight cases, just moments before things hit the fan, all was well and both parties were generally law abiding citizens(not without blemish but not ax murderers either - dont forget that you were not an angel at 17). Neither thinking their lives were about to change/end.

For all the talk of Martin being a thug or punk, well what red blooded American male wasnt at some point? I wont pretend he was on his way to bible school that night, but i also wont assume he was on his way to meet some gang members,  smoke some crack, then pull a drive by before stopping off at the local retirement home to steal an old womans walker. He was a young man with more testosterone than brains and his color, past texting, drug, or fight history is not important. He let his temper and ego get the best of him and his life ended as a result.  Zimmerman let his ego, little man complex, mall cop wannabe, attitude get the best of him and as a result his life will never be the same.

This is a tragic case because say what you will, most of us could have at one point in our lives been either one of these people. None are perfect, no not one and but for Grace of God, go I.

Hit the nail right on the head.

In my opinion, this is one of the most sensible posts on this whole thread.

I don't think he should of walked. If it been my kid he sure wouldn't be walking . If you had your head smashef in the sidewalk it would have been worst then a few cuts on his head.

Who are you to say who should live and who shouldn't ?

I agree, the only one who should decide if somebody should be dead or alive is God himself

who's to say thats not exactly what happened?
   Some people act like gz just rolled up and shot him for walking down the street.

Wow some of this makes no sense to me, he was a cc holder in a gated community and someone was there that didn't live there and there had already been burglaries in the neighborhood. How many of you do holders that think he should not have defended himself would not have asked what he was doing had he been in your neighborhood doing the same thing. Ultimately that's how it started he asked what he was doing knowing he had no business there and was on the phone with police while doing so. If the TM was so innocent why did he run off and come back around to him why didn't he just leave. He attacked the man in the dark and was unknown this was not a bar fight where you just got into it with another hot head. This was a situation where one individual attacked another unprovoked. He was not a kid he was a 17 yr old that knew right from wrong and chose to attack Z anyway. How many of you fine upstanding individuals who think he should not have defended himself would have just played there if this was your neighborhood or by your home with your kids in it. Some of these comments are plain bus because in the same situation you would not have been Mr nice guy and just to a beating

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Right on Hogsnatcher...and if he came back to confront and attack then he already had sized up GZ and figured he could take him on...otherwise he would have moved on....

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 they wasnt even going to arrest zimmerman until the naacp went down there running their mouths, he had every right to give him a bullet. now they are sueing him for some civil rights bs, all that boils down to is somebody wanting something for nothing. not much has been said on the news about the thugs beating up people because they are white or because they know zimmerman because its the other way around. its suppose to be alot of protest and stuff this weekend at like 100 and something cities all over maybe someone will do something and start the next civil war

I dont understand how this murder warrents SOOOOO much media attention. If it woulda been a honky kid murdered, it wouldnt hav made no more attention than at the local level n probably in the middle of the local paper n in a #4 font just so the paper didnt hav to use so much space for a white boy bein murdered.

Or if it would of been a black guy who shot Martin, there wouldn't have been a story. It's just something to get everyone all riled up about, and give the media something to talk about.

 bo pugh hit the nail on the head, the dang naacp had a huge hand in it. the da saw little reason to prosecute him, but of course the big mouth naacp had to get involved for nothing, and of course, the same reason the da didn't prosecute in the first place, NO EVIDENCE of murder, just self defense. the honkys need them a naawp so when a whitey is killed by any other race, us crackers gots us a helping hand in pushin for a trail. ohhh, yea, most crimes aint committed by whitey anymore, we just the minorities. is there an affirmative action for white folks?

Now you know it would be racist of us to have a naawp Charles gotta have a certain percentage of the colored people or affirmative action may come knocking

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Classic Quote of the Day:

10,000 protestors in the street today over the outcome of this case, and only 3 missed work  ;D

Not racist at all but all they are doing is pulling the whole racism card like always happens. If it was two white guys or two black guys you wouldnt hear much about it.

Ur right, i dont know what i was thinkn. It would be a disaster if the honkys actualy had a say in the country, but heck.  a white man can dream cant he?  ;D

I got this off another site but thought it was worth posting here......pretty funny stuff!

Jesse Jackson, Quannell X and Al Sharpton, while visiting a primary school class, found themselves in the middle of a discussion related to words and their meanings.

The teacher asked the men if they would like to lead the discussion of the word tragedy. So the illustrious Reverend Jackson asks the class for an example of a tragedy.

One little boy stood up and offered, "If my best friend, who lives on a farm, is playing in the field and a runaway tractor comes along and knocks him dead, that would be a tragedy."

"No," says the Great Jesse Jackson, "that would be an accident."
A little girl raised her hand. "If a school bus carrying 50 children drove over a cliff, killing everyone inside, that would be a tragedy."

"I'm afraid not," explains the exalted Reverend Al. "That's what we would call a great loss." The room goes silent. No other children volunteer.
Reverend Al searches the room. "Isn't there someone here who can give me an example of a tragedy?"

Finally at the back of the room little Johnny raises his hand. In a stern voice he says, "If a plane carrying Jackson, X and Sharpton were struck by a missile and blown to smithereens that would be a tragedy."

"Fantastic!" exclaims Quannell X, "That's right. And can you tell me why that would be a tragedy?"


"Well," says little Johnny, "because it sure wouldn't be a great loss and it probably wouldn't be an accident.

Now thats funny justin, but who the heck is quanell x?

Somebody needs to explain this to me where it makes sense. One black man gets killed by a white man in self defence and you would think the world is coming to an end.

Here are the stats for Chicago in 2013. This is one city and no telling how many have been killed in other major metro cities.

http://crimeinchicago.blogspot.com/2013/07/chicago-violence-scoreboard-july-15-2013.html

Where is the out cry about all these killings. NOBODY even knows thier names.

Hard to call racism or injustice or being put down and mis treated by the man when both are the same color. That's just life in the hood. Gotta be hard to survive the street G. Some fool step to u u gotta bust a cap in him or u weak. Can't have no body selling dope on ur turf instead of u and god forbid they work for something gotta get it from them cause they just a bunch of uncle toms.

the reason the naacp and Al sharptn or jesse jackson are like they are is because they got alot of people standing behind them no matter if they are right which they are not or wrong. it dont matter whats happening the colored people always have each others back. the white people could have a al sharp or jesse jackson or martin luther or whomever but the white people will not stand behind each other when it gets down to business, usually the whites will end up mad at each other or back down and let whatever go. every bit of this mess is the white peoples fault for letting it go on and its to late now. im just telling the truth like it is. and im white as a white crayon but i know not to look behind me as i would be the only one there just like everyone of you know the same thing. hope this makes sense its hard to type on a public forum without stepping on any toes if yall know what i mean

 u r very right bo pough, but I don't think ALL the blame can fall onto whitey. it was the spaiards and portugues who strated the slave trade, and it was the tribes in Africa who sold their own people into bondage. I know my kraut ancestors didn't hav anything to do it, but since im whiter than casper the ghost, I get blamed for it bc im of the not so dark race. again, their own ancestors sold their ancestor into slavery, the European countries saw an opportunity to exploit free/cheap labor, just as we do today in third world countries, or just below the poverty line countries, only difference between then n now, aint no chains involved, atleast none in the united states.

Whites stood together for a long time till the government went to trying to put them in prison. They were called the klan. Every since I was a kid general public said u couldn't speak up if ur white unless u planned on being painted a klansman. This is what over the years shut up the white folk. At the same times everyone encouraged the blacks to speak their peace. They did and still are because if whitey has something to say in the contrary u just hit him with the racist tag and he is out.

Leader of one of the panther groups he came to lumberton a few years ago when the cops killed a black guy

An ignorant daddy didn't marry mommy that does nothing more than rile the animals cages.....