EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I've about decided to go and get a heavily bred Hemphill/Wallace old family red nose from southern inferno kennels in Georgia. Question is do yall as a group still care about these old blood lines? Would yall if possible want them? Why? And why not? Just looking for opinions.

Heck yes I have a wallace over eli boomerang female and love these pups if you get one and want to breed to a heavy wallace bred male with papers let me know and I will get you in touch with them that have the male.

I would love to own a piece of history just haven't had the opportunity to one but im workin on it, i know they aint cheap

they will be great for the future and from the past

They have some mighty fine lookin dogs

Well all of  that's good to hear, I hope to get a male from the next litter. Gonna send  deposit next week. Would love to be able to get the a dog to a couple  places that use a workin dog. So far they sound like a great kennel, ive talked to Dave and he seems to know a thing or 2 about real red nose dogs. Although they are in Georgia and only have a couple pups available ever so often. Maybe just maybe I can help introduce the line to a few good people in our neck of the woods. From what ive seen there dogs are some of the finest when it comes to the old family red nose. And pure breed ill be showing pics when ive got him, so we will see then on a breeding.

I have had two ofrn one hemphill/Wallace and one Corvino/Reddevil. One was the smartest dog I have ever owned by far.  They did not have the same drive as my gamebred bulldogs but that just made them much easier to handle. They were tall, rangy, and could really run. Great pets! I bet you will really like yours if you end up getting one.

TheRedNose...I like leggy fast and laid back catch dogs...were these dogs solid catch dogs?

Which breeding produced the smart one?

To each their own flavor. Not gonna down any one's lines specifically, but sine the OP was soliciting opinions....most (not ALL) of the dogs of those lines in today's modern day are very 'watered down.' Stale, or a cold bloodline if you will. Some of 'em sure are pretty to look at though.  ;)

But as I said, to each their own, and what wouldn't make one person an ideal dog, may make another their idea of the perfect dog.

X2 Exactly what a old timer told me when I asked him about them.

Hemphill, Wallace , Joe Corvino  do yall have any ideal how long ago that was .  Out of all of them Corvino dogs would have been the best by far  and he didn't breed Red Nose dogs.  Hemphill , Wallace dogs were good years and years and many years ago but the Red Nose family for the most part have not been kept up to par for years on end in other words just breed for pretty.  Not to say they would not make a good dog.  I myself would not go pay no big big money for a pup cause there is plenty more out there that are far better bred and better familes by that I mean been kept to some performace standards other than just show dogs. With that said A lot of pit bulls no matter how watered down has made some excellent catch dogs.  Anyway man good luck hope it all works out of you .

Hey Reuben I had them both in the mid 90's and I was just a teenager when I got the first one, even though believe it or not she lived to be 17. They were never on any hogs, but the female that lived so long was a hell of a dog. I would let her go in a small five acre field and she would run down ground squirrels, also she would stalk just like a cat and jump up and grab sparrows off of branches of the trees in our back yard. Even though she was not dog aggressive, she did have a pretty great prey drive. BA she was the smart one and she was Corvino/Reddevil. She was a much better dog imo then my other ofrn.

I only been hog hunting a couple of times but it is something i am trying to learn about, so by no means am I a expert on what makes a good catchdog other than what i have seen just a few times and what i have heard you guys say. Someone stated that they are watered down, that depends on what you mean by that as you can still get them very pure, but if you are talking about gameness of course they are, but why would you need that? Cause you are definitely right mine did not have the intensity that my gamebred bulldogs do. Do not mean that negatively just wondering. Bulldogs I do know quite a bit about and have had quite a few. From what you guys say I don't think you really need a gamebred bulldog even though it may sound like the best way to go. A top of the line gamebred bulldog will not have the kind of handle you guys want, without double or triple the amount of time and work and most (not all) run small. That is just against their nature, I know a lot of people will say that they have great gamebred bulldogs for catchdogs and they may, they are definitely out there, but i just feel like there are easier more logical ways to go. I usually like path of least resistance, its like trying to train a dog who has been bred for hunting the last two hundred years to not hunt. But to each their own, that is just my two cents. Take it for what its worth.    :)

 she was the smart one and she was Corvino/Reddevil. She was a much better dog imo then my other ofrn.

Joe Corvino was one hell of a dog man and dog breeder.

I understand and know exactly what you are saying and agree,  in you do not have to have a great game bulldog bred to the hilt to make a great catch dog.  That's why I was saying up there its really no since in going out and paying big money for a pup in that red nose line when you can find just as good nearly anywere and they are not even family bred  .  You will be buying papers more than a dog .  That's just my Opinion.

Unless that is just what a person wants then that is a different story.

To each his own know what I mean .

Thanks that is what I was thinking but like I said I am just trying to learn about hog hunting. But just like you said, if you like'em than who cares. To each their own.

this is about game dogs and to me it is more a figure of speech and not reality because the game bred dogs are about gone...I am sure there are illegal breeders that test there dogs out there but I don't know them...and the crack heads that go around stealing dogs to fight don't know the first thing about breeding consistency...

Same with some working dogs that haven't been bred for their specialty since many generations past...some will have the desired characteristics but quite a few won't...same as the so called game bred pits...

another thing that I see is that people put a lot of emphasis on a certain line of dogs from many years past like 50 years ago or longer...well the reason why that line of dogs was legendary at that time had more to do with the original breeder himself that started the line of dogs because he knew what a good dog was and did not compromise his standards of breeding the very best for performance and even for looks to match...so many generations pass and many amateurs have bred that famous line but in reality the dogs now might have less than 5 percent of what the original breeder had in his yard if any...but the so called line is still called xxx...  :)

but when I hear talk about game bred dogs of today I visualize 38 to 48 pound dogs that have a high prey drive that are leggy and sleek...not big ole bully heads with 18 inch wide chests and dogs that can't take the heat or even breath...

 I like a leggy agile bull dog of about 60 pounds in working weight for a catch dog...and just as important a dog that gets along fairly well with other dogs and is laid back and quiet until it is time to go to work and not before...and I love a purty dog...cost the same to feed a good looking great dog as it does a sorry looking great dog...

I sure am not an expert on bull dogs but have had a few good ones in the past...and my favorite was a 48 pound dark red rednose that was game bred and he was a good one...did not have any quit and did not know fear...

I have a Hemphill / wilder bred , male , I've been told in the day he was called a battle type cross , he's a old family red , ( black nose dog ) , suppose ably  bred the best of the best for hybrid vigor , he's a 70 lb dog , not dog aggressive , very smart , he can catch a train if it looks like a hog , broke off cows  ect. , he's a special dog , he's game bred but had no idea until after I had him a few years and realized how special he was and started researching his pedigree , I purchased a  chinaman , frisco , pure blood female to breed him to , and she was hot when I got her , I've calmed her down a lot ,  but this type of dog is a lot of work to socialize and still haft to be on gaurd at all times watching your dogs body language out and about , I luv this type of dog for hunting , my male is a special animal , the watered down statement  is what made me start my research on my own dog , it's good to learn and listen to multiple opinions , there is some people on here that really know these types of dogs , and if you don't piss them off LOL they will teach you something in the writings , I'm still looking for a ADBA reg outcross to breed my male to , I'd like a red pup from the litter

If I didn't get it from the ole man, his son, or breeding partner.... I wouldn't waste my time buying dogtalk... Get your dogs from the source!  Like Bert Sorrells says..."if it didn't come from Bert Sorrells, it's not a Sorrells dog"
I'm gonna leave it at that because im sure that  you know your business.

I was always taught that its not how there bred, but more of who bred them and why..with that said,  too many folks breed for pretty papers and not important traits.

After starting the thread any seeing all of the interest I thought I might chime in. I fully understand that these bloodlines are in reality very old. And that actually obtaining a dog with close relation to even 1 dog on any of these great dogmen's yard is impossible. I do beleive that there are a few people who have atleast tried to keep it as pure as possible. And after some research I think southerinfernokennels.com happen to be one of the few. And they happen to raise working dogs.

Texashog ,if that's what you got your heart set on I say go for it , you only live once , opinions are like butt holes everyone has one , I have a game bred dog , no what ifs at my house , he's got more handle than you can imagine , the prettiest papers than you can imagine , number 4 hog in world in the WWT  from Oklahoma under his belt ,most people that talk on here cant even afford a dog of this caliber , talk cheap so they all can afford to do that , it does take work to socialize this type of dog but when done it will be the best you ever seen , and also with that said everyone here has there own ideas on this also LOL