EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

(ME) How is the gyp you have posted?

(Liar) She is great, hunts good, stops a runner..

(ME) Can you show her in the woods?

(LIAR) I dont have any places to hunt.. But I will give you a trial.

(ME) Can I come and get you and the dog and take you to a place I have full of hogs? Hello... Hello... Hello.... Anybody there? Hello.... Hello...

(Liar) Sorry I just sold her 1500.00 cash, the guy didnt even want a trial..

(ME) Save contact.... Another lying dog trader #7


ETHD are very correct when they say don't buy a dog unless it is shown in the woods...

Yea I don't think it's necessary to display the interactions you dealt with. Everyone hears about this stuff daily, sounds like you did right and asked for a trail and didn't get one. Congrats on not getting screwed but no need to cry on the board. Jmo though

Not crying at all... Just another typical dog buying day....

It's easier to raise em!

BA you are probably correct, it will take about the same amount of time that is for sure...

didn't c anywhere in his post bout crying, just making  point for others to follow. I don't c u tellin any of the admins to stop cryin bout tellin others to get a trial.

Southtexasguy, hopefully others will read this and take note. It's been discussed on here many, many times over the years about seeing dogs hunt before you buy them. Unfortunately people still listen to the lines of bs and get taken.

Thanks Mike, I was hoping I didnt step out of line on posting this. Where has the honesty and a mans word gone over the past 10 years.. Money is a sick thing these days. Great site by the way, we are getting more and more South Texas guys on here.

There has been theives since the beginning of time just the Internet is helping them out not to mention people that don't have sense help them also

Learned the hard way on that as well. At least it was 200 bucks instead of 1500.00

I didnt think we needed a dialogue on how the transaction happened is all I was saying. A simple hey guys don't forget make sure and get a trial before buying dogs would have been plenty good. Like I said in the post it was jmo.

What if the dog was good and it wasn't a screwing? Coulda been an old man with jam up dogs and he was calling him a liar on the board? You never know and that's kinda the point I was tryin to get across. Sorry to ruffle your feathers there Charles.

Other topics carry dialoges too but u aint commented on them. Why cant a person come on say their point of view on a dig deal gone good w/o u tellin him/her how they should right their story/opinion? Im by no english major, barely passed as it is, but iv see numerous spelling and grammar errors, but who am i to correct a grown man on his spelling, just like who r u to trll a man he dont need to disloge his experience? Aint got no feathers to ruffle nor do i wear undies to get bunched, im making a point just like u r tryin to make, n im not sry for my method of makin a point

Just didn't think you call someone a liar when the guy didnt do anything..... Just don't think this case was relevant to when ppl get screwed on dogs. And why jump down my throat? I have a pet peeve about dog trade so what? I comment once and you get excited over it? I sit back and just read 99% of the time and have many comments you ve posted and have agreed and disagreed but don't come on here throwin the red flag at you..... If you d like to discuss anymore just pm me. Didn't know ppl were so sensitive on here.

U can theow all the red flags at me u want, i dont care. Im just sayin ur jumpin down ole boys throat for posting that he didnt get screwed on a dog deal. From the way u got all defnsive bout his post, a person theorize u could b the dog trader. I dont think that to be true though bc i dont recolect very many posts in the dog trade, but still, some could make their own conclusion as to why u jumped feet first  in his a$$ over a topic that has been discussed many times, even an admin commented to him bout not gettin taken for a ride.

x's 2. I would MUCH rather read this than read about another guy on this board getting burned with a cull!

I guess they could but I ve never posted a dog in the dog trade. I see where your coming from but I guess I felt like he might have been jumping the gun when the other guy just might have had someone come buy the dog. So I didn't really see him dodging a bullet but I guess I view things different not everyone is out there to screw us. Though there are more to screw us than help us. Me personally I won't buy a dog unless its a dog that a close hunting friend has. Period.

Pretty sad....having the " dog trader. Peddler". Label is almost the same as talkin smack bout a mans mama.lol. Everyrhing in this world jas gone down hill not just the dog trade business...theres just more piece of sh** people around now tjan there use to be.

Yea I agree. And that's probably part of my fault for the comment I made cause I like to think there are decent ppl out there but you're right alot of culls when it comes to the human race. Lol

This is an open forum. I don't think the man was cryin bout anything just sharing how it all went down. You say there's no need for him to be cryin on the board. Well it's general discussion and I don't think there's any need for you to be spouting your opinion. Nowhere in his post did it say what's your opinion. You say there's no need for cryin I say there's no need for opinions whenever there not asked for. Your right it coulda been some nice older gentlemen and it could have been completely legitimate but the truth is we'll never know. The man was just venting and giving a friendly reminder to others that you have to be on your guard.

No offense!!!

Opinions...gotta love'em ;)

Popcorn is ready!   Who's next?

10-4, just for fun didnt you just do what you were preaching me not to be doing? Giving us your opinion? ;)

No offense either just fun times

  lol   well I don't know either party involved , but I have sold a few dogs in my day .  and as well after talking to some of them I have just hung up on a bunch of them and refused to answer when or if they called back . a lot of folks looking to buy a dog are just plum idiots and I have better things ta do . maybe they thought I was a liar as well   lol  . not calling any body out just my past experiences in the wide world of the dog trade   lol  .

If you cant show the dog, or come along to show the dog, you dont need to be listing the dog. Trials are fine and dandy but I want to see the dog hunt with the person that is trying to sell him. I dont like putting 1500.00 - 3000.00 in someone elses hands that could be hard to reach or will not answer your phone call when your trying to contact about the dog or bring the dog back.

I have bought a few dogs on here, and to be honest both deals went smooth. Previous owner took me hunting the dog did everything he said he would, and money traded hands and we still talk daily today. I have tried several other dogs on trial some were not what they said, some wouldnt hunt at all.

All I ask is show me the dog and if he is as good as advertised that shouldnt be a issue. I will pay you what you are asking for the dog it your honest.... I didnt call anyone out, mention any names and if I offended anyone you shouldnt be reading a message board anyways.

Lol....A man can list a dog however he wants to list it...he could give you a trial or he coukd say no trial cause he thinks your a knucklehead and don't know the difference between a hog dog and a lap dog. He could show the dog hunt on his place or yours.....or he could not show it....maybe he dont like you and doesnt want to hunt with you, lol.....he can do as he pleases and there ain't JACK you can do about it. If you don't trust him...steer clear, easy as that.

Yes your right I did but I'm tryin to make a point. All you did was tell him to quit cryin on the board, when in fact all he was doin was givin another reminder to watch out for shady dog traders.

No, if someone's advertising a "finished", "strike", "find" dog on this site and aren't willing to show the dog hunt.... then they can go peddle their $hit somewhere else. Cause I'll damn sure delete their a$$ in a heart beat. ;)

As was I. Just because your opinion was different than mine doesn't mean my wasn't relevant jack

That's what I m talking about

This isnt really relevent to me but just to play Devils Advocate.....

So a "TRIAL" is no longer good enough on a dog advertised as strike, find, or finished!?!

If a man wants to buy your dog and you dont want to travel to HIS place, you've got to take him to one of YOUR spots to show him!?!

Sounds like you could be one of the 7 blacklisted numbers... : )

*** WARNING TO SELLERS ***
If you are advertising a "strike" dog or "finished" dog... you must be willing to show this dog in the woods!!! If you are not willing... do not advertise the dog on here!!!

How bout u ck the dog trade and find out how many dogs ole kevin has posted for sale. I could count it on 1 hand. He aint a dirty dealing dog trader.

Evidently not, because all the people that get screwed have the dogs on trial... then the seller disappears.

Point is, if you can't see the dog hunt... don't buy it!

If you can't show the dog hunt hunt... go peddle your junk somewhere else!

It's pretty simple...

I guess you didnt see the smiley face..... Lighten up francis.... I think I have made my point.... Carry on!

It had a smiley once i fixed it. U dont hav the authorita to tell me to carry on, u r not high enuf in my rank structure n im pertty sure im name aint fancis, my name is my screen name, so try usin it.

http://www.ehow.com/video_5103544_learn-write-english.html

So what, ur an wnglish major now? Ur a major alright, use ur imagination to figure the rest

Mike....I hear what your sayin. I'm more referencing the guys where it's really not feasible for them to show their dogs in the woods, for whatever reason it may be. Doesn't mean they don't have good dogs or that their dogs aren't what they advertise. Sad they have to pay the price for people being knuckleheads.

I know it must be a pain for you MODS. Listening to people b$tch about getting screwed.

Thing is...if all these knuckleheads would just do their research, do a little homework, get some references, they wouldn't get took! Honestly....it's so dang easy, I just don't understand it.

I never got screwed, never said that I did. The two dogs that I bought off of here I am very pleased with them. The posters that had them listed, backed up their word and showed me what the dog could do with them behind the wheel. From a buyer side of things, if the so called knuckleheads would do the same we would all have a great dog exchange.

Well im not a genious but by reading what southtexasguy and liar was conversating about it's pretty obvious it was a dishonest seller! He can arrange for the dog to be picked up which possibly means meeting, or waiting around for someone to come to you which always takes longer then planned, but he can't use the same amount of time to simply show the dog, maybe u dont have the land to hunt? He offered to take u to his place, no ride nor gas money he offered to take u to his place which possibly meant he'd pick u up, and if u have no gas to hunt, how'd u have the gas to make it finished? If u have no land to show him? How'd you finished the dog? And this is my opinion and I'm entitled to my opinion therefore I will give it! It is not meaning to offend anyone although it may, it just simply is to express my side of things and what I see out of it.     The whole trial thing absolute joke I hear and see of more people being screwed on trials then I do buying dogs outright, IF U TRUST A MAN AT A TRIAL U MIGHT AS WELL TRUST HIM AT HIS WORD! I posted dogs for sale on here was my first post I showed the dogs to 3 different people they didn't work until finally they worked out for a guy I insistence showing my dogs just to try and keep my name good. And grammar and English majors of ethd if I misspelled any words I'm human!

southtexasguy...i read your post...i know your happy with your dogs....if I WAS referencing you...I would have called you out by name.

Personally....If I EVER list a strike or find dog for sale or trade, I just wont use those words.....I ain't gonna kiss your a$$ to sell you a dog.....you either want it or you don't and just because you want it....don't mean your getting it.

The bossman hath spoketh!!!

And while im sure no one cares about my opinion, I agree with what he said above....... I honestly can't think of 1 thread in the recent past where what went down wasn't pretty much word for word what Mr. Mike said above.........

guy buys dog on trial.....dog sucks....guys tries to get money back and seller disappears......guy gets upset and complains.....

It's sad that hunter will do this to each other but it happens and thats just a fact of life....... there ARE good dogs on this site for sale occasionally but you gotta look for em and do your homework!

calm yer nerves FRANCIS  ;D ;D

Kevin that would be like me listing a truck for sale and telling you how great it runs and then you ask to come drive it and I say no I'm not kissing your ass you either want it or you don't.

No sir...it wouldn't....I have no problem with giving you a trial if you have money in hand. I may or may not take you out to one of my places....but I sure as hell ain't coming to you.

Difference is...I'm not a dog peddler...I go into detail and list a dog as what it is...period. I've listed 2 young dogs on the dog trade I believe and the initial post on each dog was detailed enough that you should know just by reading it whether you wanted the dog or not. These dogs were also cheap. I'm sorry...you AIN'T getting a trial and I ain't showing them.
IF I WERE to list a dog that I expected more than a few hundred dollars for it would be listed the same....in detail. It wouldnt be neccessary but I would probably give you the standard "bring it back in the same shape" trial. I MAY even take you out with me IF I like you but it's not an entitlement. You don't DESERVE it. The person that researched the bloodline and did the homework before he purchased the dog or raised up and trained up the dog did all the work and your just buying his blood sweat and tears.

Again....just know who your dealing with and you'll be fine.

If you think the dog business is bad, you should try the horse business.lol

Like

I'm fix get some more popcorn, ready for round 3.  Ding-ding

I wouldn't have a problem givin a trial with money in my hand either! The problem is being a buyer and putting your money in the hand of a dishonest crook! And back to earlier if it was that he didnt like the guy inquiring about the dog simply let him no u don't like him or u will not sell him a dog! but instead he offered a trial? If I don't like someone I'm not gonna respond. Not let them take my dog on trial, that's just a method of scam on my opinion!

Let me clarify one thing. I was willing to go pick him and his dog up. My time my fuel my place! I want to see the dog work in front of him. I got some good dogs, but always willing to find better ones.

U ever been burried up to ur thighs, hands bound n honey poured over ur berries n let the ants go to work  >:D Keep it up n ull experience it. U aint to far from me rite now.   :P  ;D

I was expecting a inrtoduction of a new member or may be a new litter of pups, then I click on the post and get caught up in a world of hateful accusations and he said she said....it was awesome! ;D


....make sure and get y'all's comments in on horse peddling as well :angel:

Now Francis thats not very nice, and you better lay off the kinky stuff....fella's around here may start lookin at ya funny  >:D >:D

Now ta know, francis sounds to much like a french name. How ya gonna go n call a kraut a frech foo foo name? How bout herman or hienriche or somethn like that?

if i was going to sell a dog for over 500 dollars i would give trial or let them come hunt with me whichever one they wanted to do, if i was buying a bulldog i would want to see it catch a good hog in a pen atleast and walk it around a few more dogs to make sure it wasnt a fighter and a dog less than 500 id let you see it bay in a pen because thats about all your gonna get for a 500 dollar dog most of the time no since in everyone driving all over the country for a 500 dollar dog no how. but i had a good dog deal a while back i found out about a dog for sale for 2000 i didnt know the guy and he didnt know me but he dont live to far maybe 80 miles i went and met him and he said we can go hunting now or this weekend or you can take the dog to your place and hunt it i called the guy 6 days later and told him id keep the dog. but its easier to give someone money if someone you know knows them. but its no way id drive across the state and buy a high dollar dog at the gas station with trial or without, its just asking to get took. the only way id sell a dog is with cash i wouldnt take a check from someone way off either because they could cancel it before they even right it. what it boils down to buying a finished dog is a big gamble every hog hunter i know has been took on dogs and im sure someone somewhere tommorow will buy a dog at a gas station and be real dissapointed when they let it out of the box but its been preached on several years.

Nien nien nien! Adolf!  >:D ;D

 Nien, he was me greatgrand pappy. How bout joseph gerbbles?

How about Colonel Kilnk  ;D

Good chit right here! To southtexasguy - post em all!  i know i culd fill up a couple pages too! Lol

sounds like we need to exploit this guy so that everyone will know who he is, that was just a big damn lie

that won't turn out well for you or anyone else that starts throwing names around. The admins on here will tell you quick fast and in a hurry not start throwing around accusations and to keep it in PM's  ;)

When I see a "finished strike dog" for sale, I always wonder why some of the seller's hunting partners or neighbors in the area wouldn't buy the dog.  I know of several dogs that could be sold today if the owner even mentioned selling, and the dog never would leave the county.  I don't think you are going to buy a "rockstar" unless you buy him as a pup.

If somebody is selling a dog on a trial bases for $1500 would it be smart to let someone take the dog for 2 weeks, hunt it and then in two weeks if they like the dog bring you the money? Hell no, its the same as giving a man $1500 for a dog you know nothing about, I don't plan on spending cash like that on a dog, but if I did I would wanna see the dog hunt on his own before handing over the money for a two week trail.

Correct!!!!

Always wondered that myself.

Money makes things happen!
I have seen good dogs sold outside the circle because of the price. I'm sure the dog was worth the money, but no one in the circle could produce it, or they all had equally good dogs.

Or the fact some people are alil skeptical about selling that good of a dog to someone who hunts the same properties.  No sense in having to compete against a dog that you raised and made.

Not trying to jack this colorful topic but, do a lot of people share properties?

 I went hunting with quite the character up by canton a few years back and he pulled dogs out of two different yards of people he knew. Half the pack we hunted, he didn't own. And then when picking properties, he called around to see who had hunted where like they all shared. He dropped the dogs off when we finished and that was that.

 didn't think it was an ordinary thing to do....not exactly that way down here. Your spots are your spots.....I wouldn't want to lose hogs to a dog i raised....

I hunt with my Dad, Uncle, and a couple of good friends.  We all work, so we hunt when we can.  We hunt the same places and use each others dogs.  We are all about breeding and making better dogs, so jealousy over places to hunt is a non-factor.  However, we are blessed and have several good places to hunt.  I'm sure that makes a big difference.

thats right

Funny how like 90% of the ppl who advertise finished dogs on here go to fishtailing when u ask to hunt with the dog. It should b a requirement to show the dog in the woods to advertise one!