EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I've been a member of this site for a while, and I thank the board for allowing me.  Forgive me for venting but.......

On another note...(and I don't sell dogs on here, or at least not very many).  It seems like every post I read about a pup or pups, or even a young dog says something like..going  be a good dog.  I've got news for sellers and buyers, you don't know what a dog is going to make until you've put a lot of time and sweat equity into a dog.  I don't care what the breeding is, what state it came from, or what type of cross it is.  None of that matters.  I read post about the best dogs...the best dogs I've seen are the dogs that have been hunted and handled year after year by the same person.  I'm here to tell you, the good dogs are not sold cheap. 

I get real tired of all these advertisements selling pups and guys that don't know better selling to another ignorant person that don't know any more.

It boils down to a lot of dudes on here selling chit to make a buck. 

I agree...

Don't have to look at the dog trade if it upsets you that much.

Damn sure don't have to buy any thing....

Just sayin  ;)

Like.. See it and hear it all the time.. "gonna make a dog". If the dog will bay a hog in a pen then has to be good dog...lol

I agree as well...but on a few things you said I somewhat agree...
Day in and day out good dogs will be high dollar...but some folks will sell one of those dogs cheap or even give it away...

The right pups don't need lots of time in the woods to make a hog dog...just show em you want hog and just breaking em off of trash is all that is needed...but the problem lies in finding the right pups...

Like it Reuben

Well who is gonna advertise their chiteaters as chiteaters? lol


I agree with the most of what you are saying BUT there are a couple things I differ on. 1...... I have to disagree about the lineage not having anything to do with a pup making a dog..... If you want a bird dog are you going to buy a pup from someone who has pets or from someone who uses the parents/grandparents as bird dogs?.....same way with a hog dog in my opinion.... Now we all know that there are culls in every litter BUT buying pups from producing lines does improve the chances of getting a pup that will work out in the end.

I just like to catch swine ;D

  well it's just American capitalism at it's finest . you show me any add anywhere, where a person or company or conglomerate doesn't have the best product out there !  all the auto manf. are selling the number 1 rated vehical . every insurance company out there will save you hundreds over the others . I have the best and I sell for less  lol   just the way it works folks .
 
  you don't know for sure that them pups are gonna make A1# dogs and you don't know for sure that they wont . anybody that has ever hunted or been around curs and hounds knows this already  , anybody that has ever bought a used car knows these things as well .

  I can count on my two hands the number of pups I have bought in my lifetime that didn't make MY STANDARD  but would have suited others i'm sure .  a lot of bringing up a dog is genetics and breeding and a whole bunch of it is what is DONE WITH  the pups when brought home and being raised . human error has ruined many a fine bred dog .   but what ya gonna do ?

Halfbreed...like you said as many others have said on here...pups that are bred right with lots of potential can be ruined with bad handling...

Just like the dog whisperer says...he trains the owners and rehabilitates dogs...


The Nany does the same with people, rehabilitates kids and trains/educates the adults...


I am a better parent, grandfather, and dogman, because of those 2 shows...  :)

agree with that 100%

Am sure your remark was aimed at me becaue this went up not long after I posted that young dog for sale and said with being fed hog he was gonna make a good dog.

Maybe I should not have worded it like that maybe I should have put he is likely to make a good dog .  I can tell you this .  I have sold some dogs on here and they can all be backed up by who bought them.  I sold the Briar dog to Cory as a young dog he made a great dog said the same thing about Briar when he come to get him just ask him.  Sold the Penny bitch to Kelton told him the same thing as she was already a good dog in my eyes.  Sold the Ranger to Kelton also told him the same thing it was gonna take some work but he would big a good dog some day and from what I hear he is doing pretty well.  Some Mojo and Steve to a Game Warrden out of LA same thing with them they both turn and were damn good dogs.  Camo and Sis sold told the man the same thing a young dogs that were gonna make good dogs and they damn sure did .  solda lil Red dog to a man that needed a started dog told him the dog was gonna make a good dog and he sold the dog for over 3000.00 smacks you know how much I sold him for 200 bucks just to help the man out !  Also sold Cory the little Horn dog and told him the same thing about him and he is as pleased as he can be with him right now a young dog ,  sold Mike the little Rambo dog a young dog told him the same thing the dog is doing great and he calls every week.  There is more but you get the point.  When I say they are going to make a good dog am not off by much because I worked the dogs and know this line of dogs .  I hunt my dogs I breed my dogs I keep what I want and I try like hell to help young folks out with good well bred working dogs from proven stock and that why you are not going to find many if any are bitching about it.  Pups are a different story nobody knows cause they have not been worked .  If there were some that did not work out that I sold as young dogs you can bet your sweet ass they was told hey I don't know much about this dog and its your chance .

So for your remark if it was aimed at me you can stick it were the sun don't shine !

Jimmy, I'm pretty sure it was a general remark towards the majority of ads on the dog trade... some of them crack me up.

I got a deal (22) shells!

I can sure agree with that Mike if that is the case because there is a ton of chit sales on there .  I  had more than a few calls people telling me this went up after I posted that young dog I never even seen it till a few mins ago.  I hope it was not aimed at me cause I say what I mean about a young dog. Am sure not going to say that and then sell a piece of crap to somebody, my name means more to me than to do that kind of crap and I know how it is to be screwed out of your hard earn money for crap dogs.

Anyway if it was not aimed at me then I apologize to the man.  

Let a man said what he wants about his dog, if he thinks it will make a dog then put it. What you want them to post "started bmc doing pretty good should make a sorry cull one day $100" lol. Yeah the peddlers are out there and lots of them, just don't buy their dogs without research or seeing them do something. You go out on a limb buying any dog. If I sell a dog I would like to think he's gonna make a good dog. Not all people are peddlers. I'm sure we've all got burned some point and time I know I have and learned from it

This is just something that never really bothered me .  I don't give a dang what a man has to say about his dogs are how many he sells.  If I was in the market for a dog I would know who is who and who is not and if I didn't I would be researching and talking to every one about who is who and what they got .  Plus if I was buying a suppose to be finished dog I would have to see it hunt and on my terms not the sellers only other way is if I knew the man that was selling the dog.  A finished dog is one that is going to be turn out by himself ,  roll out , hunt , find and bay his on hog without any help at all and no other dogs around him and of course there is other things to be looked at ,   unless you see it with your own eyes are know the man don't believe it .

Same way as who has the best dogs he said she said BS. I myself don't give a damn if a man says he has the best dogs that fine by me it don't bother me in the least nor do I take offense to it at all get you some get  after it hell .  All this kind of silly chit just never has bothered me in the least .   

Well when i sell a pup it's because i have them baying an trailing.. I do my part so when i say it will make a good dog it means i have spent time with the pup an scene good action an learning ability to drive an please so just hunt the pup! An staying out of the woods doesn't make a good hog dog. If some of the people would start complaining less and hunting more they just might know the quality of a good hog dog from super hog dog! Every body want's a super hog dog but truthfully, Hog dog picking is like a box of chocolate never know until u try them! lol

HaHa! I like! I've said the same thing in not so many words....over....and over....

But....people are just to dang lazy....they still buy from people they don't know or at least do their research on and then they complain when the pup/dog isn't what they want.

There are a very select few I would buy from without seeing the dog work first, just buy off their word......those few I've already hunted with or at least done research on and feel they have a good line and can be trusted.

Sure...there are some B.S. adds on the dogtrade but honestly.... I get more tired of hearing people bitch and whine about that or bitch and whine about getting done wrong when its their own dang fault!

There are two kinds of hog dogs...good to great are one...and culls are the other...and I wouldn't knowingly sell a cull...it is hard for me to understand why folks would do this to others but it happens quite a bit...that is why I will only breed my own so I pick what I want...

I think a big part of it is that a lot of folks really and honestly don't know what a good dog is....so when they try and sell one they aren't all being crooked but just don't know better. .....some times anyway!!!

Agree 100%

Agree

You're Bryant, I hear about all these great, outstanding, super dogs all the time... I can count on one hand the "great" dogs I've had the pleasure to hunt behind.

It takes time and pork to make a hog dog.

If you don't like what people wright on an add then don't read it or simply pass it by I don't know much about anything but I do that what people put on there add or say bout there dogs is there business I will never slander some one for there opion just my opion my momma told me when I was a little when you act out becuz of some one else then your the one  who should listen the pound has good hog dog so why should some post about there dog if it makes the buyer happy who cares and if it don't is still only the buyers falt jmo

That is fact...

YES YALL ARE RIGHT, i have only bought pups from people that i know or someone else they know that hunt every chance they get. So you kinda know about the dogs your buying

Yes sir that is why I like pups almost all dogs well do something if brought up good I got a few pups from my buddy few yrs back no one wanted them and they are become good solid dogs not super stars but good dogs so you never know

Judge Peel...I like pups because there is a chance they will make great dogs especially when out of a great line of dogs...but an older pup or dog that is for sale is probably a cull...I see a red flag...at least that has been most of my experiences...
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  well it has been my observation thru the years that , the folks that start these threads [ as a rule ] never join in on the conversations .  lol    just joking around .  but you are right for the most part Rueben . and older pup most likely has been worked a little and the seller most likely see's something in the pup they don't like .  now it may not be something bad . it could be showing to be either too gritty or not gritty enough . and then there are those that didn't think thru about this dog hunting life and never realized just how much time and money as well as sacrifices that is required to handle a yard of dogs .  like the old saying ,   AT WHAT PRICE GLORY  . and then there's the old  [  no time to hunt  ]  sorry but if you love running dogs you are going to find some time to run , a dog doesn't have to be taken hunting every day or even every week or hell month to stay in the game , sure they may not be in the best physical shape but they don't forget lol  hell I ain't been able to hunt in a couple years , but after a little conditioning on the dogs as well as myself I could throw these old culls down and go catch some swine but i'll be horse whipped before I get rid of them  lol  .

I am back on the thread...sorry it took me so long.  Sometimes I have to focus on other things like work.  You know so I can support all those that don't work.  I wasn't referring to anyone specific or any specific post so if you took it that way, maybe you are worried about your own post and maybe you feel like you have a reason to respond defensively.  My comment was generally aimed at multiple post that read something like this....."crossed a this to this, pups for sale, should be good dogs".  WTF is that?  Wouldn't you only make a cross that you thought was going to make good dogs?   I see your sarcasm in saying "these pups will not make it, buy these".  Advertising a durable product is a little different than a dog, and I stand by my original post of pedigree and breed, and cross don't make a good dog.  I say that because, a good dog means something to different people.  So if and when I ever post pups on here, I'll show you pics, tell you about parents, and offer a pup at the price I feel they are worth.  It is up to the buyer to put the time and sweat in to make a dog.  And at the end of the day, only the buyer can say if it is a good dog to them or not.  I'll continue to read posts on the dog trade and think what I want.  I'll make general comments for all to agree or disagree.  I'm not going to single anyone out or send anyone a PM.  I make comments based on trends, not single post.

Hey Ruben I Agee with what you said bout pups cuz some dogs will mimick you and the dogs you have or raised with its not science but it does work on occasion well at lease I think so lol like I said earlier I don't know much about anything but if 44 yrs on earth has tought me anything is be respectfull when respect is not given and be kind when kindness ain't given and to be honarable when no one is looking and life will be enjoyable to the fullest

ya if hes gonna make such a good jam up dog you really think a 1oo is gonna get him ya rite. ive had better luck sellin pups for 300 than for 100. i  really think you will have better luck raising pups and training them the way you want them. find a well bread bitch from someone you can trust and get started.now you cant cry about getting it put to you for buying someones culls. now all you have to do is have the heart to do the right thing with the culls that will come along with the good pups that you raise.

Ten4...
It's amazing what some kids and grown men think they know about dogs when they've only been hog huntin 2 years.

WELL i can say all my puppy's get the proper LTC to trail an bay at a very young age 10 week our less or they don't make the cut don't have time to wait for late bloomers an all pups are started an will work! just hunt them!  sold one pup really cheap the other day an the person took him home an put him on a 40 lb pig an fired right up an put moves on the pig the person called me back an said thanks an sent me video an pic of the pup working...so money has nothing to do with good dogs more the person how hunts an raise the dogs.. so i do my part!  so going to be is not bull number 2,  feed them tracks an they do the rest!   Just because u don't have the tracks to feed your dogs to make the dogs that it takes, Don't blame the dog.... ya culls are culls but some may be better then the rich mans dogs around the corner..