EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

No right or wrong answers.....just give YOUR honest opinion on what you'd pay.

BMC
1 year 7 months
Has never trashed on varmints....will bump a deer if he gets bored. If he looks at a cow...1 call off is all it takes for the rest of the hunt.
Leggy and Fast....will suck a runner up in open terrain.
He doesn't burn up the woods but he won't miss a track either.
Hunts the same...with or without a running partner.
Walking or Roading he is Short range (0-500) if he gets outside 500 and you haven't heard a bark....you will.
Medium to loose baying on a rough hog but will get tight and sit one down if its soft. Will catch with another dog if the pigs not to rank. Only catches by himself on 75lbs or less.
Good Bottom....unless he just gets smoked he will stick for miles.
No dog or people aggression....good handle.

If you needed a dog and this one interested you...how much would be fair to you?

Well are you going to show the dog hunt in the woods or do we just have to take your word for it.

Worth what ever the buyer is willing to pay

If I needed a dog I'd have no problem giving " YOU "  6 to 8 hundred for him because he's pretty much what
I want in a dog. He would fit my needs.

Lets say the dog was shown in the woods and performed as described.

Of course you'd pay what you thought the dog was worth...so with this dog...what's he worth?

1000.00.......to me if he is from proven dogs and family.

Just to clarify.....No Big Hog Dog Pedigree

Out of straight cow dogs....He's a Prodigy  ;D

I'd probably pay between $650-800, but could see paying around a $1000.

He's young, finding his own, and got good bottom.  I'd pay more if he was used as more a track dog or casted alil harder.  And it's worth alot to me to know the background of the dogs in him.

Still a 1000 to me because he is from proven cowdogs and working dogs.  If he is from neither hog are cow dogs proven families he ain't worth a dime to me but that's just me.

What of is he out of?

No big names here Fonzie...parents aren't papered....he's not registered.... He ain't 93% this or so in so by such and such, at least not that anyone in Texas would recognize.

it would be nice to have seen pitures of your dog but from what you have described of it the price you put on it is what ever you think its worth. remember what ever you decide you need to stand by it

Proven or unproven, it doesnt matter, every ped starts out unproven. It depends on the seller as far as showing the hunt, but i would agree with jimco n ba-iv quoted is NOT an unreasonable price.

I'd say he's worth you keepin and huntin.

Rodeo...I don't think you read the post...I'm asking what YOU think is fair.

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Kevin Nevil
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 Just asking he could be out if good dogs that people may know and be able to give you a better answer....

Nah...Fonzie...I straight up took a chance on this pup. I did some research (after I saw his potential  ;)) Made some calls...talked to some people that owned his grand sire/Dam.......He has NOTHING in his pedigree in regards to hog dogs and no big names as far as cow dogs go.

I do agree with terry too bout keepin n huntin him, but if in a bind for cash, 800-1000 would b a fare price to ask n not unreasonable to pay

KevinN

Let me explain what I meant when posted about the worth of the dog.  To me as a breeder of a line of dogs I could not use a dog like that because of his unknown type of bloodline.  I could not cross into him without knowing for sure who was who in that dog its just a chance I myself would not want to take now does that mean the dog cannot produce great dogs no it doesn't it just means its a big chance when a breeder goes out on a limb and does those kinds of things.  On the other side of it as a breeder of my own kind of dogs myself I have had young dogs that do what you decribed he is doing at that age so in my postion as a breeder of dogs I could not use the dog myself and am sure some other breeders of dog lines might feel the same way  .

But that is not to say he is not worth a 1000 bucks to someone who is just a hunter of good dogs and not into the breeding part a lot of folks could care less and just want to hunt and have a great dog .  Now if that were me for sure the dog is worth a 1000 bucks if he is doing all that was stated if I am not a breeder of my own kind of dogs and have my own  . 

That's what I meant when I said he would not be worth a dime to me not that the dog was worthless because doing what he is doing he is worth a lot .

and then on the flip side of the flip side of that LOL The dog may end up being one of the best dogs in the world and end up producing a whole line of great dogs .  You just never know but the dog has the first part of it down with being what he is right now at a young age that's a great sign and the other will be seen later on in his future.

Its like Rolling Dice man !  LOL 

I agree 100% with jimmy

Is this the dog you just bred a little while ago ?

Yes it is

I have seen dogs sale for more than that that didn't do half of what you stated and the people where happy to get it my lead dog which I did not raise or train I got on Craig's list for 200 bucks just took a chance it had a different name on the collar than the person I got him from so I called they said he was ok at best now I have had this dog for close to a yr he has been money every where I have taken him and he was only 200 now my buddy got to dog for 800 that where breed by a good breeder and where not worth a lick so if I had money to burn I would pay big cash for that kind of dog you got there I never new there was so many politics in cur dogs I guess that why I should just hunt mutts lol

For what you say he is I would say at least $1000 and he should get better and higher priced with age.

750 but if he would cast out farther maybe more. He is young and if you put him with longer range dogs he may start ranging out more

Agree. I would feed him for sure going by the description..

Sorry just re-read. Just getting smoked doesn't jive. IMO it quits. The scent doesn't just disappear. Either way he is still young and by the description is showing a lot of potential. My question would be... When he does go two miles is there a hog at the end?

Maybe $300-500.. Seems average at best when comparing him to other 18 month old legitimate hog dogs that I've seen. Being scatter bred with no proven parents or line. Jmo

Right now (if I wanted a dog), I might pay 300-350 tops.

Right now since I don't want a dog, I wouldn't take him for free.  Sounds like he is working out well and seems like he could make a dog, but from what you described, I don't think I would say he is in the top %ile of dogs I've seen at the same age.

If I was new to the sport and looking for a couple started dogs to get started, maybe 600.

He's not my style. 500

If I knew the person selling him and had been huntin with the dog enough times to know that he was what you are describing , I'd pay $1500 for him. I know of 2 that are about the same that have had $1500 dollar offers on and it was turned down. To me if your only goal is to go catch hogs with a dog that's easy to hunt then a young dog like that with POTENTIAL to be a sure enough hogdog is worth buying.
The more I hunt the more I want a smart dog that hunts around me for the hog I put him on.A dog that can do it all right by himself. A dog that's just a pleasure to hunt and don't waste a bunch of time running 5 miles from me just to do it.
A dog that kicks rocks in your face and leaves the country when I turn it loose doesn't impress me one bit and neither does A dog that will catch a 200 lb bad boar hog by himself. I want a dog that hunts around me when I turn him loose because 75% of the time when I turn one loose its on top of a big track. I want a dog to hunt that hog and take that track ,not one a mile from me. And while big bad tough rough dogs have their place and I respect them that's not the kind of dog that you can hunt day in, day out for years. They stay cut down and beat and banged up, I've raised plenty of them.
With that being said most people have no clue what kind of dog I'm talking about and if they are selling that dog it's because they are not smart enough to realize what they have or they are done hog huntin.

You ought a know that most folks won't ever get it. Even after they've been schooled by the type of dog your talking about time after time they'll assume the hog was running away from their spazmatic dogs and yours just got lucky.  :laugh:

And that T-Bob is why I don't hunt with "most folks"....  ;)

That's a great post Chainrated.  U hit nails square on the heads  not just one but a bunch.  The only thing I like different is I like mine a bit on the ruffer side other than that and that's just me you are on the bull's-eye.   Enjoyed reading that post!

so,is he for sale?

No....he's not. Though he's not my perfect dog, he's the best I have. I like him enough to keep him on my yard and in the woods.

He is a good base to work with. I covered a rough gyp with him and I've got a few pups out of him Ill be working with over the fall and starting in the woods come January.

 after the way u tell him some where around 550 to 650 but he's still learning. 

I have paid over 2k for a dog not worth the time to dig a hole. Paid 300 bucks for my dog Sally and 500 for snapper. Not great dogs but way above average for sure. Snapper has long line of dogs behind her and has gotten better with age. They are both solid dogs and I have faith that they will find hogs if they are around.
   I may be thinking of someone else but was it Jasper who had a hard time sticking with a hog not too long ago ? Barking then when you got close he would show up ?

Oh yeah....definitely still learning.

He has impressed me at times....
On multiple hunts he shown me bottom I'm proud of, he's worked a sounder of pigs with one other dog and looked like a seasoned veteran, he's even struck out of the box a couple times.

He's made me laugh at times....
Baying pipes or being chased by coyotes.

And he's embarrassed me at times.....
Baying blood weed when then pigs have already moved off.

Honestly...at a year and half old I wouldn't even begin to speculate how he's gonna finish out. He's got SO much potential. Question is....can I bring it out of him.

It's the old standard line "just feed him tracks" but that's easier said than done. Gotta have the places to hunt that have the tracks. That's the key!

I'm just gonna keep doing what I'm doing and see how he ends up. Maybe if I'm lucky his pups will turn out like him......or......if I'm REAL lucky they will turn out to be what I hoped they could be when I made the breeding.

Anyway....I'm happy with this COW DOG

No....must be thinking of someone else.

I don't know about anywhere else but in east Texas we never could get papers to bay hogs

That's true enough...but I tell you what....there ARE some papered dogs out there that can flat get it done.

Whistlers Buzz dog young Catahoula is papered and he is turning into a DANG good dog. Really impressive.

I am a little skeptical cause he is a yellow dog...  :) but I would pay 400 from what you described...but when we consider raising and wormings/vaccines, as well as training...then realistically I would consider paying a little more...

The dog looks like he has a touch of hound which I see as a good thing in a stock dog...and like others have said I want to buy the whole package, good hog dog and breeding potential from said dog...

if it were up to me and it was my dog i would probably ask between 300.00 to 500.00 but that's my opionion

Ahah, these ppl actually do exist! Amen

in my oppinion a deer is a varmit,ive seen dogs like this sold for 100.00 and a year later ive seen the same dog bring 1500.00. alot depends on who has the dog and who is hunting the dog. but to answer your question 300 to 500 would be a fair starting price. im not gonna give as much as others because i raise my own dogs.

Just from recalling all the hunts you've posted he strikes %90 of your hogs doesn't he? I'd give $600 for him I think he'd be a good match for my main dog.

He strikes all the hogs when I'm by myself but hunting with Others like Blake w/ Tater ....his numbers go down....lol

Did your dog strike all the hogs

Not understanding you.

did your dog find all of the Hogs you have pics of with  him

1 - Yes
2 - No
3 - Yes
4 - No

The big red sow was struck by a dog called "Three Toe"...good dog, I think a walker/Parker or walker/Kemmer cross.

The Boar in the water was struck by an 8 month old Walker Gyp called "Gypsy"....gonna be a good dog I think.

I don't own either dog.

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Are you saying he found these hogs in these pictures?

#1 picture bayed up by my dogs. #3 picture bayed up by Whistlers Buzz dog. That kind of offends me that you would take these other dogs credit like that. My opinion on Jasper and how much he is worth. Jasper has real good potential but if there is a deer in the county he is going to get in behind it and if I was going to buy him I would probably give $200 from what I've seen out of him. Because I think I could break him from running deer. But why would you take the credit for our dogs work like that? I mean Buzz ain't my dog but I've spent a lot of time in the woods with him and Whistler getting them both going and Whistler has made a hell of a hog hunter and he has a hell of a dog. I believe that #3 picture was the first hog Buzz bayed up solo and Jasper wasnt even with him.

Their is always "the other side of the story".  It doesn't matter what you read on here, it seems like someone always has a slightly different version. 

That is the true story. And it offends me that he would take credit for our dogs work like that.

I recently bought a pair of male dogs that are just about what your talking about in your dog . And I gave 2000 for the pair. I work out of town and when I come home I like to hunt so they where worth that to me because I where almost finished dogs.

Kennel blindness .
   I have seen a few good dogs. By a few I mean three or maybe four. That is out of the 100s I have seen hunt. Most people don't know what a good dog is. not saying that I do but ........
   My dogs leave a lot to be desired to myself. I know that and will openly admit their faults. Seems people always talk about breeding this dog to that dog. What they need to be doing is digging holes.  :o
   The internet is filled with long range. Super star dogs . Some of the ones who talk about breeding non stop are the ones who I really don't think even hunt much let a lone have decent dogs.
  Looks like someone is getting called out .

I'm hunting right now ... I'll handle this later.

I've hunted with Jordan, I believe, 3 times. The first time... We caught this sow. Jasper was about 9-10 months old and really didn't do much on this hunt...but it was a turning point.

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2nd hunt was f'd up like a soup sandwich. Too many dogs and some of the dogs there were trashy as hell. Killing armadillos and possums all night....never even got on a hog.

3rd hunt we caught this nice sow. Funny thing is I wrote the story... Posted it... Told Jordan about it and ASKED him if it was fairly accurate.

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Now...correct me if I'm wrong Jordan.....but I do believe You were DRUNK when you made this post last nite. Maybe your memory has failed you or maybe we just have a differing recollection of that last hunt.

Although Drew was there on all 3 hunts I'm not gonna ask Him to get in the middle of it because you two are friends and he and I are friends. I'm not gonna put him in that position. I will say this....if he WANTS to comment about it, that is fine by me and my feelings WILL NOT be hurt if he recalls it differently.

Now on to the pic of the caught Boar.

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You weren't on the hunt....You don't have a friggin clue about what happened there. The only people on this hunt were Drew and I and my girls oldest son. Again...this story is posted. The dogs present were Jasper, J.P. And Jinx, and CD Zeus (my dogs). Whistler had his Buzz dog and I believe Jewell's was on this hunt as well. I don't think he had a CD old enough at the time. Jasper and Buzz took off at the same time and came bayed at almost the same time. Who struck it? I think it was Jasper...could I be wrong? Possibly. Again...I actually want Drew to comment on this one.... Won't hurt my feelings at all. I mean...honestly...it Doesn't really matter to me.... It was some excellent dog work. They had that boar bayed for 45 minutes easy before JP and Jinx got there and then they caught.

Oh...as far as Jasper trashing on deer...hell, I will tell you flat out he trashed on A LOT of deer when he was young,10-14 months or so. Now...not so much. He may bump one but he won't run them anymore. At least he hasn't in ages. On that hunt last Wednesday he jumped 11 deer (they just kept pouring out of the woods, lol) as we were getting close to the truck and he didn't run them at all....just watched them bound away.

Anyway....that's about all I got.




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First of all i've been at work all night. And you never told me about the story on that sow that you wrote and evidentally it was false if its saying Jasper struck it. And I doubt I was told a lie on the hunt on the boar hog. And yea we have only hunted a few times because of your dog running deer. I had nothing but young dogs at the time to and they were started off good before my old dog passed and i didnt want them picking up bad habits from Jasper. I dont get on here very often, just mainly to look at the stuff for sale or to look at the pictures of the hogs. When i came across this it irritated me that you was taking our dogs credit. And yes i do like to drink. What do you expect from a 24 year old single man. Im pretty sure a bunch of men liked to drink at my age and still like to drink how ever old they are now. And i do remember the first hog because you tried saying they were barking at cows and i told you my dogs dont bark unless they're looking at a hog and thats when we caught that sow.

Goodness...  I for sure dont want to be in the middle of this but i guess its to late.  Its hard for me to remember because both of these hunts were over six months ago.  The big sow i believe if i remember correctly there were several dogs in the area when jordans gyp started yipping and within minutes there was a short bay all the dogs. They ran her in front of us and bayed up again and we caught her.  The one with me and Kevin and the boar hog. Again if i remember correctly they were both working together and bayed within seconds of each other. They held it bayed for a while for us to get there.  Kevin was nice enough when i first got my pups to reach out and help me start them in a pen and go on several hunts when they were young and i am very grateful for that.  We didnt have any good dogs just pups so it was difficult.  I met jordan and he let me tag along and he had a dog that was jam up that trained one of my dogs and three other young dogs that are all finding hogs today.  I really dont care who's dogs do what im just glad when i catch a pig. I have not hunted with kevin in months and yes when jasper was young he would bump a deer. I am sure he is like my dogs and everyone else's with age and experience those things are corrected. Again I dont want in the middle of this.  My wife is having contractions today so hopefully i dont have time to get on this the next couple of days.

Fair Enough

Hog hunting and drama...IMAGINE THAT  :D

Guess I better be more careful from now on....don't want to be "one of those guys". Think I'll only post stories from solo hunts from now on.  :)

To be honest solo is the only way to be sure what dog did what. One dog on the ground. Then there is no doubt. When hunting with others to me the dogs get the credit. Not a certain dog. If there is more than one dog on the ground the only way to be remotely sure is if all the dogs are one way and one dog the other by himself. I don't care who u are if ur dog is where the hog is found regardless if there are 3 dogs with him it's human nature to think ur dog started the hog or stopped the hog. This goes for the owners of each of the 4 dogs.

Don't get caught up in bull. Enjoy the hunt and give all the dogs credit on a job well done.


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Kevin, keep on telling your stories brother... just ignore all the bull caca.

I agree, water off a ducks back kevin, i enjoy your hunting stories.