EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

 There are more than a couple of hog dogs out there and several "good dogs" out of the group. I have always hunted for pleasure but there was a time when I was competitive about it too. I had a dog that I thought was a pretty good kinda dog. When I met someone new that spoke of or owned a dog that was supposed to be good, I wanted to hunt my dog with them. It took me to all types of terrain and a bunch of different styles of hunting. I was never ashamed of the old dogs performance. "HE" gained the respect of lots of hunters. In all this, I learned that there were basically two kinds of "good" dogs. There was the dog that did all the things that I expected a dog to do. I wanted him to bust brush when he hit the ground in any kind of country, hot or cold, wet or dry. I wanted a good nose and the ability to drive a track fast. It needed to stop a hog if possible and if not stay with it to the end, tons of bottom. Cast him, road him, rig him don't matter. A good mouth you can hear. Brains, a good handle, and not just hunt but knowing where to hunt for a hog. It sure don't hurt if it's easy on the eye. A dog your not gonna come in behind and strike hogs in an area he's already covered. If there is one hog in 5000 acres, he's a found rascal. That's my version. The other kind of good dog is the one that makes the person feeding him happy. What's y'alls take?

I'd feed a whole yard full of dogs like that;)

Those type aren't found on the end of just any chain.  I think they're few and far between more than what some woupd want to admit.  Now, you get a dog like that and it can pass it on to its pups...then you'd dang sure have you somethin to grin about
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Now that easy to find...for sure...and even harder to attain.

Buy pups...out of good lines or at least dogs you described (when you can) and hope for the best.

I think almost everyone strives for the first dog you describe but while we're waiting....we settle for the second  ;D

You described it perfect

I never had the privilege to hunt with the dog that tdog just described

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I never got to hunt with (Clyde) but I have herd stories all over the country about him.  I have hunted with several of his offspring.  He did pass on many described traits!  Speed, stamina, hunt, have passed on for many generations.   I would feed the dog you are describing any day!

Man you can only hope for a dog like that. I got one that's on his way but if you can put a few dogs together that all have some good aspects to add to the pack you might not need a super dog jmo

sounds like you described it pretty good.

There are many styles and lots of criteria, but at the end of the day... A good dog is the one that YOU enjoy hunting behind!

Steve

nicely put...but one can have a yard full of these dogs...but maybe not the places to hunt these type of dogs...I did have a yard full of these type of dogs at one time...and when they reproduce themselves and sometimes better is just icing on the cake...not to mention 80 to 100 percent turn out per litter after 3 or 4 generations...it can be done fairly easy with a good line of dogs...but one must not deviate  from the line of dogs and breed best to the best and build the program around one or 2 good ones...

I was with until you said

If there is one hog in 5000 acres, he's a found rascal.

That's pretty tough right there man.  I've got some nice dogs that I'll put up against any, but I'm not gonna say if there is one hog in 5,000 acres, I'll find it with one dog.  In the right conditions, I believe I have passed hundreds of hogs and me nor my dogs had a clue they were there.

I agree with that brother

I think the 5000 acres is a figure of speech...I see it that the dog is a great find dog...way better than average at locating hog...a great dog when he smells hog he will roll out and more than likely find hogs...

5000 acres is definitely a figure of speech. I had a friend that I hunted with quite a bit. His dog was a hot nosed cur dog that would stay with a runner for 20-30 minutes and come back. That's  what my friend opinion wanted. Don't bother a cold track and come on back so we can go to another spot. We both thought we owned a hog dog. I wouldn't have fed his and he wouldn't have fed mine. Another friend has a couple of seasoned dogs. I think one is better than the other, but he likes what I think is the lesser of the two because he is 77 years old and can keep up with him better. These differences are why I started this read. It wasn't to brag or  belittle anyone's dogs. Just wanted folks to realize that what is desirable to person might not be what the next one likes. Besides just not knowing, it's another reason people don't se the same thing when they are describing their dogs.

Tdog got at question
As you are getting old, the hogs are running more, their are more hogs around, the ranches are getting smaller.  Is this still the type of dog you desire, or has that changed any, and if so how?

Hunted w/ a dog like this last night. Everything described he showed us. We also met the Leon county sherrifs officer, he struck a hog @500-600yds. He was by his self and stopped him more than once although because of fence and dirt roads anytime we started to get close, the hog would break. We ended up sittin him down 5 miles away from where he struck him up. Although do to the police and an upset land owner we had no choice but to stand at the gate and listen to him hammer down. They made us leave him and we ended up picking him up this morning, 3 miles from where he was last night. I think the world of the dog, but I sure would have like him to come on back after the first 2 miles. I just think having these great dogs sometimes bites you in the butt, because more and more, people are not allowing us on property, hence the land we are allowed to hunt is getting smaller and smaller. Couple short-medium range dogs are starting to look more and more appealing. Jmo

Now listen here I just now caught that Mr Tdog LOL.  But Nawwww yall gonna drag me in this bisness!

All I wanna know is do you and ole half pint Sid have them fully customized heavy duty over load springs yall promised me and ready for my next hunt with yall ?  Because last time I was in a neck brace for a week after running behind yall all them miles  Lmao !  That thing gets heavy LOL .  That Black Jack will kill a full grown man !  Also I got more than a few lead ropes were yall can snap his ass when you get there!  I think yall just do that chit on purpose when am there makes me look bad LOL .  Some kind of friends I got !

Yup I like my Horn dog better than my Whitey dog .  Ole Horn just fits me better LOL !  Atleast I don't have to wear a neck brace for a week when I hunt him LOL !   Next time if Black Jack is there and Whitey am just gonna throw the damn towel in and let yall have it !

T-Dog

That is a perfect example of what you are talking about.  The longer ranged people "1000 yd to how ever far the pigs go "  would love the Whitey dog she is not really ruff but ruff enuff to hold what she can and will put teeth on one when he trys to run, she never runs out of gas and is as fast as a deer , nose on the ground are in the air don't matter she is just lots of dog n that way.  By the way she Got me my first ticket I ever had , trespassing ! 

The Horn dog is more of a dog for us shorter ranged ruffer type of dog hunters .  He will hunt 400 to 750 yd he will get ruff with one will catch what he can but has enuff sense to know on the big bad boar hogs to back up he has learned to respect them been cut down a time are two.  You nailed it . I like him better because he suits me better I like the shorter range he has on him 750 yd out hunting for sign is perfect for me and the places I hunt as well as I can get to him a lot quicker and easier . He is a little bit hard headed sometimes but who aint.  He is fast and quick has a enuff bottom for me but does not have quite as much running gear as the Whitey dog.

This is why folks are at so much differences on here because whats a great dog for man does not fit and is not a great dog for the next man .  It does not mean the dogs are bad dogs,   its just that the human differences dictate which type of dog they call the best !

Jimmy, we are having to go back the drawing board on the spring thing. Think we gotta figure a way to attach them to your boots. I'm scared attaching them to your belt might split you right in half, lol. As for horn, I think he's probably a better dog than White unless she is on the ground with him. He just isn't himself if she is there. He'd be my pick too. You other fellas  are right about running hogs and land owners. I'm trying for a little less range and more grit. 15-20 minute rounds are good enough if a dog is really hunting right. Those garmins  will sure tell on them too. I have a lot of country and know most everyone around so I still want that stay power. That's exactly my point Jimmy. You nailed it. That's what I was getting at with this post.

T-dog...I like what you have been posting...you write what I like talking about...  8)

I'll be the first to admit that I get caught up in all of the talks about good/great dogs and what a dog is supposed to do to be great and how to breed em right and on and on and on..........I'm about burned out on all the inner workings/ political correctness of hog dog terminology and hunting and want to get back to just enjoyin the time in the woods with good people and dogs......I used to have WAY more fun than I have here recently and I believe its due to always worrying about the little things and raising my expectations too much too often........I plan on slowing down ALOT and just enjoyin the ride from here on out!



 Monteria I believe you summed it up best....... A good dog is a dog that YOU personally like to have hunting with and behind and that leaves an impression on you once its gone. Good post Sir.

We are on the same page sir.

There are tons of variations of good dogs. Saying one "good" dog is better than another would be like saying one "NFL" athlete is better than a certain "MLB" athlete. One may be better at certain things, it just depends on who's using him/ her.