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Where are the working lines of catahoulas? I've got a gyp that's nalc and isn't finished yet but is pleasing me so far and I would like to find a stud worth breeding her to... my problem with that is I haven't seen one worth even considering. Does anyone have or hunt with some good working stock cats anymore or have they all been bred down to sh**? Any info would be appreciated stories how they hunt etc she may not make the grade but seems to be pretty close to it so I'd like to get ahead of the game a little

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"She may not make the grade, but she close enough and I'm trying to get ahead of the game alil."

You'll have to explain that alil, but I think you answered your own question as to why you can't find a good stud, cuz to many guys are adopting this philosophy when it comes to breeding dogs in general.  There's still some working lines of Catahoulas and a few lines that do it with style, but they didn't get that way and stay that way by breeding a good dog to an average dog.

I think he meant it's a real good dog to him but to you she may not make the grade?

I got ya.

Snatcher give me a call I mite be able to point u in the right direction 985 677-2007

To clarify in my eyes I've not caught enough hogs to call any dog finished... yet. She does well catches with cd will leave out with some coaxing but is getting better stays busy usually 6-800yds has done some things to aggravate me but at some point they all will if she continues the path she's on with more woods time and more hogs she will be the real deal. I got her as a older dog that was not hunted much at all so things she should have been learning as a pup she missed out on she has never went backwards always improved. Hope that clarified what I meant.

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  i'd rather hear more about this gyp . there are plenty of stud worthy cat's around . that have made the grade . how old is this gyp ect. ect.   gritty , loose , catchy .  what are some dogs on her papers ?  what line is she from or is she scatter bred ? and as for lines there are only three true lines  one being the  WRIGHT  line . research the others . the wrights are the big boned jug headed cat's  .

She's right at 4 now I have had her a little over a year. She's out of the here we go "salty dog line" I know there is a lot of bs and all around them here but I like how she does. She's blocky built real athletic. She bays 6-8ft or so back but if they break she is gonna try and catch them almost instantly and when she does its not a Imma catch and let go the ear comes off if we aren't close enough or she is broke off when we get there on this is on a smallish hog under 175 or so if its bigger or a super nasty hog she will hit the rear end and back up and bay again. been cut super bad on a 218lb boar and never backed up was still hammering when we got to em almost lost her front leg.

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I'll be the first to say that yes at 4 she should be finished but as I said she was not hunted much at all if any before I got her she has steadily improved since I've had her

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   don't worry about the age . I have rescued several Catahoula's from pet homes that went on to become excellent hog and cow dogs . if the genes are their the age don't matter  .   what salty line are they from the poser line or from salty dog kennels in Oklahoma  ?

I bought her from the poser but she came from Oklahoma. I've spoken to the kennel in Oklahoma about her bought her as a finished dog from the poser turns out she was barely started. So chalked it up to lesson learned and took my lemons and started on my lemonade. Found out all I could about her and here we are

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If you find a sure enough, male Catahoula with a lot of hunt in him let me know, I've been looking for one myself.  Im looking for medium to tall Cat with a lot of hunt (med to long range), bays and hunt by himslef, rough enough to try to stop one but not a RCD type.  Color dont matter.

I have a 9 year old CAT gyp, long range, silent, bays tight, tight, tight.  Been cut I dont know how many times, punctured lung, broke ribs, snake bitten, you name it.  I would say she has about 500 hogs under her belt, not a bay pen dog or a pack dog.  Camp A while bred.  Smart, smart dog that can do it all by herself.  Short legged black and tan color.  She stays no matter how long and will stay when injured.  A lot like the dog in the "what if" post.  Only reference I can tell you is BA-IV.  I've been looking for a stud dog for almost a year.  Dog rolls over very fast and wont bay the same hog twice.  This dog was raised and trained with my plotts and I'd like to get her bred sometime soon and keep a couple pups.

If you don't mind a cross bred cat I'd try Monty's "Tj" he's a damn good cat cross...

My old catahoula Hank is out of the Johnsonville line... Big tall long legged block headed dog!  Takes  track or winds don't matter.... He is 8 years old and has struck hundreds of hogs!  I like the way he hunts.. He is semi loose baying and will stay with one for miles!  People on here I hunt with will vouch for him!  2 of his pups which are a little over a year old are striking their own! 

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"Country Bumpkin"

  I might know where one is at . but he is just like his sire and is gonna try to catch a hog before he thinks about baying it up  lol.  his papers never were sent in but I have them here and can get them . i'll have to call a friend of mine and see if he is still alive  .

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Anyone is welcome to hunt with me or I'll bring him to ur place when it cools off if u would like to see him hunt!

"Country Bumpkin"

I'll vouch for Jon's (hoghunter 71409) gyp. She's like Jon said she is.

She sounds like a great dog! 

"Country Bumpkin"

Id  be very interested in seeing this guy work and I would bring her along so you could see her hunt or I'll get you some references. Here's my gyp
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I like em pretty rough Mr Whitten but its so thick on a lot of the places we hunt now its taking forever to get to em and that rough from him and her being the way she is I may end up with some rcds lol. Would like to know more about him though that's for sure

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I'll pm u my number so we can set up a hunt!!


"Country Bumpkin"

How is the salty dog gyp bred?

Mr. Whitten,that is a very impressive looking dog,thats the kind I like to see on the ground.

   I liked him roo  he was my last male pup out of my dogs and I should have kept him , but I had a friend in need and gave him the dog . i'm like these boy's here now looking for a suitable stud for his sister   lol  , but I think i'm going with a keating bred dog when I do . the sire side of my dogs go back to keatings gigalo buck that jr. vidrine owned , might get lucky going back to that side .

  hogsnatcher that's a good looking gyp !   


  setexas how much does ol country weigh ?  he looks purty good as well , hell setexas ain't no further than lousiana   lol   I was gong to hold my gyp over this heat cycle and breed her on the next , till this horny little mnt. cur hung her .   so it'll be next winter before I breed her again . she's getting on up in years herself  .

10-4 on that...she caught my eye... :)

Old Hank weighs about 70 pounds halfbreed.

"Country Bumpkin"

    that's what I thought  .  he looks it  .  my old dog in the pick was 85 lbs and his sister is around 70 75 . I like them big cat's  I know mine could man handle a pretty big pig all by their lonesome  lol .

yep i like the looks

Thanks for the compliments fellas. She is on her way to be a good dog. here is a pic of her ped be easier to show than tell.(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/08/13/su7ubaja.jpg)

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I know of a male that hunts out about the same but tends to bay more. My Moto dog is not flashy but gets the job done would like to hear more about the breeding behind the gyp.

Just posted up a pic of her pedigree

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Just wondering why you pick Mr. Clydes dogs? What do you like about them? Aren't they mostly tree dogs?

As a side note if I do breed her I will not be selling any pups. Don't guess it should matter to much but wanted to throw it out there

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It makes a huge difference to alot of guys.  When you breed for yourself and cull the rest, it really opens a few more doors as far as good dogs go.

yep alot of folks dont want their blood all over the country.

If you wanna do a little diggin ill tell ya

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   well not mostly tree dogs .  I like his line , he has managed to keep the nose and hunt in his dogs . I hear tell of a lot of good blood dogs from his breedings .   and treeing and baying go hand in hand if it will climb they will tree and if it don't they will bay  lol  the older Catahoula's were as good of a tree dog as you would find and the Catahoula's have lost that ability as a rule .  mine don't tree worth a hoot and I would like for them to run and tree a possum or two if I so desire . it ain't all about hog hunting to me , it's about hunting period ..... ;D   

just wondering why you prefer his dogs. nothing against them. i met him a few times and really liked the man and his dogs

I like what you said...if I were to buy a catahoula I would like to buy one that had the nose and treeing would be a bonus...

It makes a huge difference to alot of guys.  When you breed for yourself and cull the rest, it really opens a few more doors as far as good dogs go.
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That's my intention I have no interest in selling any pups only intention I have is getting a good line of dogs I can breed and use for myself and the guys I hunt with so we can have enough on hand to breed amongst ourselves and cull accordingly

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I love the look of the big Catahoulas, I got a red leopard male and he is getting big. Hes pushing 60 lbs right now
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I have a friend with two good studs.
1. BLACKJACK- Son of campa-wildes GRCH ELVIS
2.CASH- bluesky x diamond cutter
IDK $h1t bout catahoulas but PM me if you want his contact info

How do his cats hunt txsteve?

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Cash hunts short-med range...gritty..all around solid dog
 Blackjack is retired so idk bow he hunts.

well cutter and elvis were darn good bay pen dogs in their day won many a baying competition . so the off spring have the potential to be more on the baying instead of catching style of dog  .

testeve, PM sent.  Elvis was the grand sire of my gyp on the top and bottom in the 3rd generation pedigree.

Pm responded

Im not real crazy about the bay pen bred stock cow dogs or woods dogs but prefer straight woods hog dogs preferably out of straight hog dogs

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Im the same way, but, i bought my little gyp from Sheri Bando herself in 2004 and never but her in a bay pen.  She has always been used as a woods dog and trained with woods dogs.  Genetics is important, but so is bringing them up right.

My buddies dogs are woods dogs...pen dogs,woods dogs,cow dogs idc what they are along as they catch pigs.
Damn good yella dog stud named mcilorys Tank (cowdog) ain't never see pig in his life but his offspring are pig hunting fools.

I got some cats out of ( halfbreed ) mr. Whitten good busy dogs on the rough side one of them is 90 lbs and he can move some ground not a finished dog but he is still young won't work a pen been in on some big nasty boars with me and Brandon that sure. He ain't scarey that for sure wish I new how to post pics of him I would he is a looker

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Don't you know the people that started the crawdad catahoula line Mr. Whitten? Seems like everyone likes that line.

Todd Tramel in Arkansas had line bred Wager dogs. They are built for speed and are rough.

  I have seen a lot of there dogs and considered getting one from them . the ones I saw were big boned well built dogs and that's the way I like them  . I have heard good reports from the people that owned them .

Anybody have an idea of what original lines the "salty dogs" came from or where they may have originated they didn't just show up as that and I can't seem to find anything out past that so far

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Salty dogs started out with Wager and Blue Frost bloodlines the Blue Frost went back to and bloodline called Dog Patch I think both of those had Chester Wagers bloodline in them too

i personaly have never had a catahoula myself, but i've seen some that i think i would like to have and try. all i have raised are BMC'S, PITS, DOGOS, AND RHODESIANS, now i want to try out cats now what do you think any imput would be nice

Are there any Wager blood dogs still running around?

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Someone mentioned Todd Trammel, he used to have some really tight old school Wager blood.  I've bought 2 dogs off him in the last 10 years.  He uses his primarily on cattle.  I don't know what he's got anymore, but he does still have a stud dog called Boaz.  Pure Wager and a good dog.

Anybody know how to get in touch with him?

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Yes I live in Arkansas and just bought 2 heavy linebred wager pups

Awesome do you mind pming me your number I would like to speak with you what part of Arkansas? I live in Sarepta,LA which is about 30-40min south of Magnolia

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Mr. Wagers dogs use to be real good from what I hear, but he hasn't bred woods dogs for quite a while.  I'm sure there's good dogs in the mix, but when you breed for bay pens it's cuts alot of hunt and nose out.  I know of some dogs bought recently straight off his yard and they didn't perform as good as expected.

That's good info to know I'm not really wanting any "bay pen" dogs. I want dogs that work in the real world whether it be a real deal working cow dog or real deal working hog dog I'll be happy with either but if they are bay pen bred primarily I don't want them I've had a couple bay pen bred cats and in a pen they were top notch in the woods they were a waste of time

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I hunt with a reputable seasoned gentleman out here that runs a lot of the Wager blood....in the woods. No pens. I've got no ill words to say about 'em. Just my two cents anyway. :)

Really, well do you think he would be interested in possibly breeding them? I'm not committing to any breedings yet I am just trying to see what all is out there that may be worth looking into. Thanks for everyones replies so far I appreciate the help.

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Todd Tramel 479-495-3589. He doesn't have anything for sale right now. I just his last 2 which are grand pups off of Boaz. Todd's dogs are firecrackers. They work a cow or hog and are rough on a hog

i live in Conway Arkansas. If you would like to call me my name is Neil Johnston 501-428-4044