EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Its kinda funny really when you just sit back watch , read and think about it as people squabble over the differences of dogs and their styles of dogs.  Your hunting style , your hunting places are the one thing that should dictate to you how you need to are should  hunt and also should tell you what kinds of dogs you need.  Because one dog may be great in some cases and not worth a dime in another .  Same with a mixed pack of dogs not worth a dime in most cases ones gonna get the other in a bind .

You know I been thinking for a while now , there is many different people and many different kinds of hog hunting places that calls for many different kinds of dogs.  Some call for tons of bottom, some calls not so much bottom, some calls for looser baying , Some calls for ruff bite you in the butt kind ,  some calls for just about RCD's on the ground most the time .  Then you get into a dogs hunting  Range for sign,  some need dogs that go for miles tons of bottom looser baying and then there is the middle man that wants mid ranged dogs out hunting with some bottom and bite you in the butt kind  and then there is others that need the hogs stopped as quick as possiable due to land acreage stipulations so its just many many factors that factor in to what a person hunts, wants and needs.  Then you got the hound/Cur fight the open mouths the closed mouths the cold cold noses the hot noses its all in what a man wants and plays into his sitituation which may not be the same as mine are yours.  Its just many , many different situtations that calls for different kinds of dogs .   Its not that someone is always right are wrong about everything its just that he is proably right about what he wants and hunts in his area that may not be the case for the next man are person.  So all in all its just a flood of different opinions in different situtations .  Then again there is some people that have no ideal what they need are what they should be hunting in their cases .

Its just goes on for days and nights man and am sure it will as long as hog hunting is alive and well and the people also .   

I disagree... good dogs should be able to produce pork where ever they are hunted.

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Most people don't wont a ten mile  big bottom dog thats only got 500 acres to hunt .  He goes a mile out before he ever starts to hunt.

And am sure most people that's got ten miles of land to hunt don't want no 100/400 yd dog checking back in every five ten mins.


 

I think a good mix of dogs is best a long range or and a cold nose can run right pass game and a short range don't might not go far enough to find the game. So when I load up my dogs I load up hog dogs cooler full of drinks and a few snack and have fun when we get on them we give heck when we don't we figure that we can get em next time. Lot of fellas in my opion put to much brain power in to it if you want more pork in my opion get a descent dog and hunt and u will get em

I agree with Texashogdogs.  They way I read his post is that he was talking about style of dog for the individual hunter.  Nobody can argue that.  I don't believe the statement "Because one dog may be great in some cases and not worth a dime in another" is meant to mean that a good don't will not hunt or find hogs in an area, I think he was implying that one style of dog may not be good for certain conditions.

There are a ton of examples to prove the point, I think he did a good job pointing out some of those examples.

Yes sir that is what I was trying to say.   

and that one mans kind of dog may not be another mans kind of dog.  There is different conditions and circumstances that weigh in on what kind of a dog is a perfect type dog for someone.  Also if it is not the nexts man kind of dog  that does not mean its a piece of crap like a lot of folks like to say so freely on here but what it means is it not right for the next mans kind of hunting and conditions he hunts in .   So all the going back and fourth is kinda funny because everybody has all kinds of different needs and circumstances when it comes to hog hunting dogs.

I agree a good dog should find hogs anywere but that is not what I was getting at .

I agree. The size of place might dictate the type of dog but not the terrain...

I disagree I wanna see u hunt a jadg terrier in rice! Its not affective! Or a geat Dane in rosehedge! No real effective! I think terrain can deffinately dictate the type and style of dog need, not meaning range or grittiness but, a good jadg is worthless to hogs 300 yards in a full rice field. Just saying

Then it's not a Hog Dog...it may be a dog that stumbles on a hog every once in awhile or finds them in terrain they're use to, but that don't make it a HOGDOG.

The jadg finds hogs on just about every outing, but can't swim 300 yards across a rice field and possibly stick with a runner, a good Dane a buddy has close range very ruff but every time we get in rosehedge he gets in half way and gets tangled, don't make him a bad dog just body type does not fit the terrain being hunted, I don't no where u got I said they occasionally stumpled up on hogs?

I personally agree with you. Just like a day at work ..........productivity is generally highest when you have the right tool for the job and in that aspect the individual dog is the tool and some will work better than others in certain situations and thats a fact jack! ;) not tryin to argue with anyone, simply my opinion on the subject.

You were stating generalizations on certain breeds, and that's how I feel about it.  Dog may be good in your country, but if he ain't good in my country, or someone else's country, and can't produce hogs in most any terrain, then to me it's just a dog, not a hog dog.  I feel the term is slung around way to easily, but that's strictly my opinion.

I wish I owned a dog like I'm talking about, maybe I will one day, it's for sure a good goal to reach for, but NO, terrain should never be a factor when it comes to a dog producing hogs.

I do understand your point on dogs and breeds, but the "want to" factor comes into play at that point, and if the desire is high enough, the dog will make it happen.

No, one dog will work fine, whether in rice, rosehedge, salt marsh, pine thicket, mountains, cactus, cedar, etc, etc, etc....

Don't need a little one for this and a big one for that... ha ha ha!

Size doesn't matter... a good dog will still get it done regardless.

Good dogs of the same type and style used by the old timers to gather stock off the open range, will catch hogs most anywhere you turn them loose. The reason they are getting hard to find is, people think they need a special kind of dog for the hogs and terrain they hunt. I have hunted hogs in five states with the same dogs and caught hogs.

O the jadg wanted to he wanted to work the hogs, he ran around the rice levy barking and barking and barking swimming in 25 to 30 yards coming back barking the hogs eventually took out across the rice and we went and put him on there track and had pork, it was just not physically possible for him to do so in that particular terrain, now did he want to? Yes he wanted to but some things just can't happen amd that was one, now ya I'm speaking about things that are not common but it's common for us being around rice and having a jag as one of our lead dogs, thanks! And not trying to stir up anything just saying just cause there good dogs the terrain on very certain particular occasions can dictate there abilitys!

It dnt matter if they rough..catchy..or loose bay..
If you got the rite type of curs..you'll catch hogs in any type of terrain..

Dedication... I've known several folks that ran jagds over the years and hunted with a bunch... water never slowed them down. It's no different than a hog out in a lake, swamp or river... if the dog has the "want to", it will be out in the middle of it.

Like I said, im not tryin to argue, i never said a thing about big or little......i was speaking in terms of the dogs individual use or purpose if you will.....not that it matters.

Terrain wouldn't be so much of a big deal if folks gave some thought and planning to the way they hunt in various places.



Let me use this as an example. A man has a puppy and takes it to the woods a few times, chunks it out with a bunch of other pups and crummy dogs, the pup won't quit playing, wont go hunt and when it starts to leave it CSS running back soon.

Other man gets the pup, takes it to woods, finds fresh hog sign, puts the pup out in it and while the pup is full of energy, lets it go explore what those fun smells are.

The second guy will more than likely have seen that pup make a dog whereas the first fella was probably creating a help dog.

Take the same "type" of thought process and apply it to talented dogs and you have a successful hunter in diverse terrains.

Some people wouldn't be able to kill more than a hog or two in a year if they had to do it without a dog (like gun or bow hunting) these folks are the type to not give any thought to how and why they hunt the way they do.

Other folks are hunters. And they hunt with dogs too.





Make any sence? Y'all know what I mean?

I smell what you are steppin in.

Mike I agree to an extent! He tries and will go, but physically he does not have the ability to get to a hog and get it stopped! Then runners here on top of that it's hard to keep up with the hogs, we can get shoats but no hogs until there ran to land then we do all the good! Now I'm not arguing with the fact that a good dog will get it done but some terrains dictate dogs abilitys. Maybe not all breeds, but certains breeds yes, when I first commented on that there was not a certain breed directed, it was simply a good dog, I classify this lil jadg good, he just don't have the ability to get in 2 ft of water and really shut down them hogs, now the daNe on the other hand he looks like a champ in the rice! I do agree with u tho and I'm not speaking in behalf of all Jadgs I'm speaking in behalf of mine and I really think hes a GOOD hog dog!

Now this is just me and how I look at it.  If a dog has the heart but not the tools to get the job done its not his fault.  If he wants to but cant do it because of some physical incapable abilities  but would die trying its not his fault.  He might be to small to swim 300 yds are he might be to big to get into a rosehedge and just cannot get it done.  Does that make him a bad dog when he has maybe found and caught you 100's of hogs ? 

Na I don't think so .

Can you ask a Champion Pointer to whip a Gr Ch Pit Bulls ass ?

Can you ask a Gr Ch Pit Bull  to do a Ch Pointers job and find and point out birds ?

Can you ask a great Catch dog to do a great find dogs Job?

Can you ask a great find dog to do a great Catch dogs job ?

This can go on and on and on .

Does that make them a bad worthless dog and not great at what the do for real ?
No.

Dogs are like tools ! "Don't mean that in a bad way just a figure of speech"  You breed them to do a specific job and do it well.  You hand pick the dogs to do what they do well.  Then you fine tune it .

I sure as hell aint going to call a dog that has found me many many hogs on top of hogs for years not a real hog dog if he just cant get the job done once are twice in a very bad situation  .  Am not going to call my 80 lb catch dog a piece of chit if he cannot fit his self into a briar thicket a rat has trouble getting into .  There is excuses for everything but then there is common sence and lets not forget about the almighty ego's.
 

a true hog dog don't need help.. That's right mike it doesn't matter what breed of size if it can show hogs for the work he dose in the field then he's a keeper if not keep cull an buying or breeding for good dogs!   yes it's about having fun an catching hogs it's not about dry runs all the time!  good dogs are out there do good shopping an breeding.. 

Here's my view on this. I agree not every dog is right for every situation. I feel that a top notch dog from one area if taken to a totally different area should still be able to get it done. I feel that there is usually some adjustment period to the new environment if it is totally different. Now if ur dropping dogs on sign that's still steaming that's another story even my old throw away dogs might do something with that. I'm talking going into an area that generally holds hogs and letting the dogs find them not me find them and them bark. I agree these dogs are like tools and the right tool will do the job it needs to do. But there aren't as many crescent wrenches out there as some may think. Heck my dogs are stubby screwdrivers. They have their place but most don't like them, they can be agrivateing to work with, but they will do the job if its what u gotta work with.

I have seen a dog from far west Texas (Jp's dog) who to the best of my knowledge only hunted out there in the rocky,dry mountains. He came here and Mike took him to one of the nastiest place around...palmeto thickets (acres and acres ) swamps youpan thickets etc...nasty,nast place to hunt. That west TX dog ran a hog for 5 straight hours in that crap he was not used to and we caught the hog too....he ran the hog till the hog was stiff,when we caught him with the bulldogs he was litterally stiff. I say terrain don't matter with a good dog.

Underdog,  that's what it takes to be a good dog in your eyes? Wow! What's a super dog any story's about one of them? If my dog runs a hog for then 2 hrs I'm getting worried there lost and start calling back. To be honest just not my style I'd prefer them come on back and get one down the road! Good story and sounds like thats a super dog!

That's called a hog dog my friend... 2 hours the dogs are just getting limbered up on a good race.

It sounds like a hell of a dog to me...I understand its not ur type of dog but some people expect more out of their dogs than others

I no what it's called, I call mine hog dogs, it don't mean its a good dog sounds like a super to me me and my opinion! I'd lie to experience your pack mike all your dogs individually alone on the ground will stick for for 5 hours plus? If not the ones that don't aren't hog dogs? What u consider them? If they do that's amazingly spectacular! My dogs prolly would stick that long if I allowed it! Thats not my cup of tea, back to what texashogdog said it depends on the size of land u have privilege to hint and I'm not blessed with many big places I gotta keep my dogs limited to the distances they can stick! I culled a young dog cause of it's bottom on a runner! So does that mean I don't have hog dogs mike? Because they don't stick for 5 plus hours? What do I need to call my dogs? Cull trash dogs? What's there correct classification?

HS, I agree 100 amd 10 percent it's sound like a super dog! Were talking about a good dog! Just cause my jadg would not swim 300 yards plus into a rice field amd bay hogs, does not making it any less dog then the next maybe for those scared to swallow there pride or carry a heavy ego! Just my opinion!

If they're over two years old they will... the ones that don't get culled. ;) There's nothing amazing or spectacular about it, that's what I expect out of a dog.

Mike, now I grasp what your saying, that's your individual expectaions! That's what meets your needs and makes a dog worthy do be called a hog dog! That does not mean mines not. Mines still a good dog, my dog wouldn't work for u as well as many other but it fits my style! When u stated earlier that's called a hog dog! I didn't know what to call mine? I've always called them hog dogs! I doubt that anyone on this forum has a dog that has never at one point or  another ended a race with out a hog, even the super dogs get smoked on accasions!

Ran over 31 miles on two four wheelers one day Kyle and myself .  Back and fourth back across 4500 acres four are five times cut down ever dog I owned except one my old CJ Bitch.   They hit the hog at about 6.30 that morning and I didn't get home till 6 that evening .  When the hog crossed the 4500 acres the last time he hit a dry creek and ran across the highway onto some more proptery that was around 2 miles to the back of that proptery which I had permission to .  Old Cj would walk with the boar hog and we never could get close every time he would take off run for about 500 yds stop fight and walk with her .  Well he went back and fourth alond that creek for about three four more hours and finally came out of the creek and crossed another proptery line and went about 900 yds up in there and finally sit down could not go no more and when we finally got to him it was like 5 pm that evening he didn't have a nut left and was sitting on his ass when we got there.  We went in got the hog and did not have the energy to drag him out of there we were both just wore completely out from busting the brush all that day trying to get to the dogs  . Had to call my Buddy Cory and he brought one of those big red wagons and we went back in there loaded the hog on the big red wagon and push the SOB out of the place.  Could not get four wheelers in there because we were truespassing and didn't want the man to hear the four wheelers .  Big boar hog around 250 lbs .

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Kyle , Tom and Me let dogs out at 6 am one morning we ran hogs till around 12 am had a pick up load of them .  My old Blu gyp got off on a big bad boar hog.  Long long story short .  We started on hwy 485 that morning and that nite I finally found her in Wilson Tx and the only reason I found her was a farmer that was on his tractor earlier that morning came by I gave him my number told him to call me if he seen are heard my gyp.  Well at 6 that evening me and Kyle had to leave we were about to starve to death plus we were dried out with no water from looking for the bitch.  So we came back to town got something to eat and drink went back now it is about 7.30 we are go into a high game fence a buddy owns looking for my gyp but no dice.   As were were about to give up and were going down the drive way my phone rings its the farmer that was on the tractor that morning .  He says Jimmy your dog is over here outside of Wilson she is in a corn patch and bayhing a big ass hog .   He gave us directions I didn't even know were this  place was at but Kyle did.   We get over there and sure nuff ole Blu got a boar hog bayed about 250 yds in a cut corn patch we go out there and the big boar never moves he is so wore out .     I shoot the hog we load the dog and go home .  This bitch had been on that hog all day long no telling how many miles back and fourth as a matter of fact she was so drawn up I had to administer two IV's that nite just to get her half way back to normal.

Hog dogs you damn straight !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Does that happen every time why hell no !!!!!!!!!!  Does that make them any less dog why hell no !!!!   Is there more times than that that we have been on all day and half the nite hunts chasing hogs more than I can remember !


Point is not every dog is gonna work the same every time out .

Some days mine are all pot lickers, mutts etc. Some days there just Dogs and Some days they are hog dogs. They will do something different all the time, but none of mine are even 2 yet so hopefully with time they will do better. Everyone talks about well this breeding or get a better dog. Well I can tell you most them guys that have them badass dogs wont sell them let alone reply back to you when you ask to try and get a pup. Im sure there are some but not many! I work with what I got to work with and that's fine with me.

Another Example !

Me , Kyle and Rick hit the 4500 ac place here last fall.  Turn dogs loose 6.30 that morning run hogs all day long get some loose some. Its a day you can run hogs all day because its cool not cold and hot just a good day. About 11 that morning dogs get on a big bad boar hog .  The run and run and run and run some more we cant get them stopped by 7 pm dogs are falling out coming back cant hardly walk no more.  Horn stays on the hog with my Whitey gyp the hog ends up cross Co Rd after Co Rd we are 10 miles outside of Cameron when we started hunting we end up that nite at 10 pm One mile from Cameron right out side of the Country Club about a mile mile and a half from there .  Horn has been on this hog for hours now they are in the biggest damn thickest stuff I ever seen in my life didn't even know there were thickets that thick around here .  He is 1000 yds up in there you cannot even walk threw it much less get a wheeler.  Well I start calling calling calling at 11 pm we are on the side of a road it is showing my Horn dog is 250 yds up in there and has not move in over a hour are so .  I didn't want to go in because I hate truepassing and lucky some folks came by that owned the proptery and let us in .  We all go in with flash lights and I go straight to were he is at no barking no noting silent am skeered he is dead and cut down .  I get in there and Kyle sees him .

HE IS LOCKED UP TIGHT EVERY MUSCLE .  HE IS AS RIDGIED AS A PEICE OF STEEL FROM BEING DYHEDRADED CANNOT MOVE.  I PICK HIM UP CARRY HIM TO THE TRUCK RUSH HIM HOME AND GIVE IV'S AND OTHER MEDS ALL NITE LONG FINALLY HE STARTS TO LOOSE UP .  HE WAD DAMN NEAR IN SHOCK HE WAS SO LOW ON ELECTORLITES .  

Now folks this dog was locked down tight I don't know if any of you have seen that before but it happens when they just cannot go another inch done give it all they could give .  Is that a hog dog ?  You damn right in my books.  Does he do that every time?    Why hell no !
  

The topic was about how dogs do in different terrain right? ...thats why I posted the story I did,,,the dog came here and hunted basically the oposite terrain than were he lived.  Many of these places we hunt if a dog were to quit after 2 hrs you'd never catch a hog, if they came back and "got another down the road" you'd still be in a race on a runner. You can feed quiters if you want,,,no big deal to me. Same with that no swimming jadg....if I were feeding it it would be culled for not going forward but if a quiter suits you no sweat off my back.

Do a search on here for "Lionandboarhunter"  ;)

Gee wizz i have heard lots of stories about this lion and boar hunter guy... mostly dirty lil stories :)

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Hey for those guys who got the dogs that run all day and night too stop a hog.. What y'all feeding? Lol I got a couple old farts who could use a little extra boost.  ;D

LOL............ I hate when that chit happens am to damn old and broke up to be chasing dogs and hogs like that and am working on a cure over here.

Half T-Rex x Half Big Foot ........and a 12 gauge if I can get close nuff !

I agree with this. It amazes me how many out there, both young and old, have absolutely no 'hunting" skills. By this, I mean looking at a piece of country and being able to have a pretty good idea about where game is going to be laid up, traveling, or feeding. As for quitting, I'd rather feed my quitters than cowards ;)

Underdog, I don't hunt quitters, I hunt dogs that suites me! To talk with such intellect and acting like you are so high and mighty it's amazing you had to use not YOURS but another mans dog as an example. So I changed the subject I was replying to your post and hada question! Which was what's a super dog in your eyes! I have read his history as well as your and others amazing have few for as many comments you have are actually posting catches with your crew!

And lion and boar awesome awesome  awesome hogs man! I wish I caught as many that's size as I've seen on your history! Congrats

I think it is good you are happy with what you hunt....  As far as ME,,,I hunt for fun,and to enjoy my dogs and thier working abillity,not to brag or anything else. I have a job and a family that comes first, I hunt when I can. I never said my dogs were anything special, I catch a hog on occasion and I only have one spot of my own to hunt, the rest I have to rely on invites. Now I do keep some of the best bulldogs around in case you didn't know that part  ;)

And....I used JP's dog as an example as like I said....at one point we were talking about dogs hunting different terrain so I thought it applied.

It ain't the feed bud...its just well bred cur dogs..

I think I've posted about this before but can't remember....may have wrote it then deleted it without posting....not this time.

Bunch of freakin elitist....good gawd the egos around here....it's astounding.

"True Hog Dogs"  rolleyes

Theres no doubt in my mind a lot of yall have better dogs than me..NO DOUBT..but good lord....to tell a man he aint got a "true hog dog" for this reason or that when he catches hogs on a regular basis with his dogs.

How bout this..all you elitist.....your pack to Florida for a month hunt there...then Georgia, then Alabama, then Kentucky, then Mississipi and Louisiana, the Arkansas and Oklahoma, the Missouri and the all points of Texas. After that hop a boat to central and South America...then steam over to Australia, New Zealand and New Guinea...after that head to Europe and Asia. Hunt all those places and catch pigs.....THEN you have "TRUE HOG DOGS".

Hahaha jimmy lemme know when you get those T. rex big foots going !! I wouldn't need any other dogs ! That'd be my super catcher !! He'd find em catch em kill em and load it up for you lol

And HS I'm aware of what it is. Ever heard of a joke.  ;D and ps it's not the breed it's the will of a dog and his owners handle. That breeding stuff don't interest me.

YEP YEP

Lmao !

I tell ya..........I may not have no dogs worth a chit to the other man and to tell you the truth I really don't give a rats behind what the next man thinks about my dogs as long as I know the truth .  Also I may not can breed a good dog to save my life but man I tell you one thing.   I sure love to get on here and get them ole back hairs all bristled up and get a little slober slinging going on  ,  sometimes its funny as hell ...... LOL  Gotta love it man !  Its all good !

I personally don't have an ego or honestly have the right to anything other then an opinion.  I feel strongly about what a hog dog should be and will tell you the term is slung around with to much ease.  I have dogs I hunt hogs with now, and that's about it.  Ill be the first to tell you that nothing on my yard is outstanding or great.  Once you can do that and acknowledge just what your after, and then go hunt with a hog dog or two, then nothing is good enough but the best.  

There's no ego here with me, just how I feel about breeding and how a dog should perform. I gues sit boils down to what you wanna feed and what your willing to put up with, but if you have don't have standards and claim you have hog dogs when many of us have seen good dogs go, then someone is bound to state their opinion on what a dog is or isn't.

KevinN... who's an elitist and has an ego? The ones who have high standards for what they expect in a dog?

Having high standards and expectations for YOUR dogs is GREAT! I have expectations and standards and goals....all of which are MINE and for ME and my yard. I sure wont tell someone else they don't have hog dogs just because their dogs don't suite me.

As far as what a "REAL HOG DOG" is....well.... A 5-10-15 mile race DON'T MAKE a "REAL HOG DOG". You want to talk about a real hog dog then don't spout out this crap about "if a hog wants to run its gonna run"

That is B.S.!!!

2 or 3 "REAL HOG DOGS" won't LET a hog break...period. You say you've seen hogs dragging dogs hanging off their nutts and it don't slow them down? Well....I've seen it plenty and the hog stops every time. You say a bad briar thicket and the hog will blow and and leave the dog behind? Well I've seen that too and the hog don't make it 100 yards because the dogs bayed tight...even in the thick stuff. THESE dogs were true hog dogs....gritty as hell but didn't catch...sure, they got cut and some died but THEY were sure enough bay dogs.....and sure enough "REAL HOG DOGS".

There are MANY styles and preferences when it comes to hunting hogs with dogs and if the dogs produce...they are ALL TRUE HOG DOGS.

KevinN perfect! Perfectly stated! Thnks!

Where are they and when can I come watch them hunt?

Well Kevin I guess I've never seen a real hog dog out of the hundreds and hundreds of dogs I've hunted behind.

I can promise you one thing... if a hog wants to run... he's damn sure gonna do it. And wreck everything trying to stop him.

Hahaha I hear ya on that one mr jimmy. People on here crack me up sometimes !!

If you like your dogs then that's all that matters. Who cares what everyone else thinks. And when it comes too bad mouthing other people's dogs. It's unnecessary and childish.

Kevin N explained it perfectly I think

T-bob...I like what you said...and strategy is a big part of the hunt...

ETHUnters, your impressed by that but not at all by the high numbers of dogs that stick 5 plus on every hog they get on that runs everytime and never have an off day? Where are they??? When can I see that? I'm not even asking the next level that simply would impress the crud out of me

It's kinda like this to me:

I don't think anyone was bad mouthing anyone's dogs.  This site is great to get gut checked every once in awhile.  If you come on the site claiming you got this and that and then tell how you have hog dogs when they run 200 yards and come back, ill call BS.  Mine may not do any better, but I know they aren't hog dogs and I will express my opinions.  I won't bad mouth anyone's dogs, but if you ask me what I think, I'm going to be 100% honest and most don't like that.

The deal is this, everyone is gonna feed what they like, BUT don't get your feathers ruffled when some people have higher standards and expect it.  I don't mind someone bashing my opinion or my dogs, ill drop em with anyone, and expect to be showed up by quite a few people's dogs, but that's all part of it. 

It's all learning one way or the other.  Take it all in, sift through it, figure out what you like and don't like, build on that, raise some dogs, hunt some hogs, and HAVE FUN.

Wanna know how you can tell its summer time????   rolleyes

I don't have a clue what you've seen or haven't seen.

Again...your wrong..."if a hog wants to run its gonna run"...think about it....EVERY hog WANTS to run. Most just get their minds changed by the dogs. The biggest, meanest and the ones with the ivory are the ones that usually succeed. If YOUR dogs can't stop a 250lb sow or 250lb boar with not much in the area of cutters...well...your dogs aren't for me. Don't make em bad dogs...HELL...I KNOW they're still better than what I have right now, lol. But...like you, I do have expectations and goals and in the end I DON'T WANT dogs like that.

As far as where these dogs are at...the dogs of my recollection are long gone and the gentleman that owned them...well...i talked to him not long ago. We discussed running hogs and whether they were as bad back in the late 90's as they are now. We both thought the same...it had more to do with the dogs than anything else. I asked him if he had any of that blood left and he said no...he had bred it out of them because he was tired of sewing them up. He also said he didn't realize what he had when he had it and he wishes he still had it. Sound familiar Jimmy  ;D Anyway...i don't have any in my yard for sure...but there are some out there. The term "bay buster" comes to mind...I know that's what some of you would say...but I assure you...put two or three "bay busters" together and the bay don't hardly bust. Again...let me make it clear...I ain't talkin about catchy dogs...just gritty as hell bay dogs. Anyway...that's what I'm shootin for....that'll suite me fine.

Everyone's on here instead of In the woods catching pork lol this heats getting everyone worked up. Hahaha

There are not a high number of dogs that can stick for five hours but I have seen a few. I personally have only owned one out of probably a hundred dogs over the last ten years.  What I have not seen is a set of dogs that can stop any hog from running. Maybe they are out there that is why I would like to see them.  As for seeing dogs with no quit that do it day in and day out there's really only one person I can speak of but I won't. I will say his screen name has already been mentioned. I don't have very good dogs and I don't care if you do or not but when someone starts bragging about how good their dogs are I'm always interested to see them perform. Problem is most of the time when people are bragging its about a dog they used to have or.somebody else's dogs.

Jimmy...I agree with what you are saying here...

but for hog dogs I am very particular about size of a hog dog...if it is 10 pounds heavier and or 1/2 inch taller I don't keep it unless it is an outstanding dog...it is my opinion that too large of dogs are slower in close quarters and usually don't have the stamina of a 55 pound strike dog...it is also my opinion that a 30 pound dog might be very good at finding hogs and finding his way through all types of terrain including getting in rose hedges...but I like that 50-60 pound dog because I want to know that the hog knows he has an anchor on his ear and not feel like he is wearing an ear ring when that smaller dog latches on...but this is just how I see it...

that mid sized dog can go all day and he can can be a strong swimmer, maybe not the fastest but fast...and this dog is agile in tight quarters and can get in tight places including rose hedges...

This type of dog can hunt anywhere any other good hog dog can...my comparison of that dog to a human athlete is that of the "IRON MAN" triathlete...not the fastest but fast...not the strongest but strong...not the best swimmer but a very good swimmer...etc...etc...lots of old time folks that used there dogs to help make a living kept this type of dog...

as a little kid I had the perfect pack of hunting dogs for the terrain I hunted...I was lucky I could hunt in any direction and not see a soul...  :)

I had 3 different terrains to hunt and 2 of them were not good for my dogs but one was perfect...one of the bad ones was very tall weeds and grass as well ots of brush...the other was nothing but pose hedges too close to each other...not good for running my dogs...but that third spot was perfect...caught lots of game and could catch as many rabbits I could carry...all my dogs had a job to make my pack complete even though I participated...at any given time I had 1-3 strike dogs of the 20 -30 pound size and one flush dog that was part wiener dog...also had one to 2 running catch dogs...if one of these three were missing it hurt the pack...I had different options on how to help but I liked to let the dogs do most of the work...I just led them in the direction I felt was the best to work...lots of rain hunted high spots...drought conditions meant to hunt closer to water...etc...etc...

 

You know the dogs are pretty good when someone else is bragging on em, NOT the person who owns them.

If you're the only one crowing about your dogs, chances are they ain't that good.

Kevin,

I don't now who you was talking to but I sure as hex know how he felt after he bred it down .  Am just glad I realized it before I bred it all out of mine.  It didn't take me long .  The first crop about two years old good dogs but not near the sit down the other ones had .  I realized real dang quick running hogs for miles is not me and not what I wanted to do, not that it is wrong in any way but just not what I want to do nor was it satisfactory with the amount of land I hunt just not big nuff for all that.  We got hogs now but the big boys were running like mice and we went from catching big hogs to chasing them and just getting lucky every now and then that is just something I was not used to are even wanted to get use to hell I don't want to catch babys and medium size hogs hell I want the big boys .  I realized real real real quick it can happen with those less gritty dogs but not like it was happening in real time when I had those dogs .  They just didn't have the chance to run like they do now.  Anyway to each his on is what I say .  I been on this board now for along long time and I promise you ,  you can go back over the years I been posting on here and you will not find one post were I said a bad word directly about a mans dogs.  If he likes them and that's what he wants man more power to him I wish him the best am not going to say a bad word about his dogs are him.  That's just me man .

BI-AV

That part of crowing has a twin ugly sister also . 

When a man goes to worrying about what another man has more than what he's got and telling him what he might need and don't need .
It might be time to re-examine what he has in his yard are look in the mirror .

I see it both ways myself .

I agree 100% ben, an old timer once told me "you know you've got a dog when other people are talkin about it"

Happy huntin everyone.

That's true as well man.  It's always great to read about good dogs and cipher through the breeding and how they came bout, and figure out what makes em that good. I don't care to brag about mine at all, cuz they ain't worth the feed I feed em half the time  :D but I do know what a good dog is and what it takes to own one.

Hogs have changed, if they didnt they'd be extinct. Every one hates these Russian influenced running hogs but if it weren't for them we'd have nothing to hunt. If hogs would bay up in big wads like they used to when I was a kid, there would not be any left because every Tom dick and Harry wants to kill them.
And yes I agree there are dogs that can stop hogs better than others, there are dogs that can keep hogs bayed that other dogs can't  but a HOG DOG will do every thing in is power to get one stopped and bayed but if it can't do it, it will run the hog till it can't physically go any further and they wil be bayed when you get there.

Can I get an AMEN for Casey!

Kevin... no offense, but you said back in the 90's. Brother, we ain't huntin the same hogs from 20 years ago. Most of those hogs were dumb as dirt, very seldom did you have runners like we do today. Just like Casey stated, everyone and their momma is chasing them these days. I used to have that mind set when I first started... "piss on that one, we'll move up and catch an easy one".

Don't get me wrong Mike...I'm not one of the guys in that mind set. I HATE losing hogs and do want my dogs to stick until I decide to call them off.

Back in the day...there WERE hogs that TRIED to run and a few succeeded, but for the most part they were shut down inside a quarter mile.

I still strongly believe....If a hog is bayed solid initially, ANY hog, that the bay CAN be held with the right dogs....and I'm not talkin bout RCD's or rough catchy dogs. Just solid gritty bay dogs that bay tight and aren't afraid to mix it up.

Any hog can be caught.
Any hog that wants to run will run.
I also believe you can take any one dog with plenty of bottom and catch or kill any hog in any terrain. It dont' matter if its 10 acres or 10,000 acres.

Agree.