EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

what is yalls best advice in stopping a rank boar, done tried some rough dogs and he shook them before catch dog got there, thinking about tryin two rough dogs and cut catch dog loose and haul butt behind him to catch, what yall think

In heavy scrub dogs that bite the nuts are the best.  Boars won't run far with teeth on their jewels.  Thats why a lot of Kiwi hunters breed whippet and greyhound into their dogs.

I like to think this is something me and my buddy are good at we run rough dogs but few loose to seems to work good while the loose dogs are circling and baying the rough ones are moving for the catch if they stand there ground to long and the catch dog can get there they will all catch game over as long as you ain't at the truck picking your nose. But be ready cuz more than likely your going to have cut dogs

Run that hog with july hounds until he has a stroke or can't move anymore !  hunted behind a july hound this weekend on saturday afternoon an that dog ran 13 hours straight on a 200 lb hog until sun rise!!  talk about bottom !! 

that aint no joke there I think were gonna try a 2 rough dogs and two lose dogs and a cd and run in behind

Run the air out him... about the best way I know on one that wants to run.


Who's July did you hunt behind?

yea I think your right Mr.Mike, I think that's what I am gonna have to do. just run him till he drops

You said y'all tried the rough dogs... that might be why he's running? He may bay right up with some dogs that ain't chewing on him.

In my humble opinion, you need hot nasty speed, bottom and working ability once the hog is bayed. But that's just my overall opinion in general, I don't know what you need to do to catch this individual boar. Good luck

Run him with a couple good plotts.  They are rough enough to stop him or strong enough to hang in long races.  Smart enough to stand back and bay the rank ones.

yea I think we may try a couple lose dogs to see if they can hold him still while we get cd there

Rough dogs are easier to come up with!!!   If ya'll notice not many guys are giving the "run his guts out theory" much thought.  I've hog hunted a LONG time and I've owned hundreds of dogs that would eat a hog up and only a couple that would run one as long as it took.  Its a WHOLE different story to run a hog (by scent alone) for hours and hours.  Most of the rough dogs I've owned wouldn't run a hog long enough to warm him up, not to mention run his guts out.  I caught tons of hogs with these worthless alligators and its easy to get caught up, thinking you have HOG DOGS, but the truth is most hogs that want to get away, will get away.   One or two dogs that will TRULEY stay hooked (regardless of grittiness) will end this hog once and for all!!!  Or you could haul about half a dozen alligators out there and chew him up before he gets away.  That's the only two options I can see for you.   

Good luck!!!!

On a hog like you talk about ive seen rough ones get killed are cut up.ive been there done that,was there while fighting boar,catch dog would go to him,and he come alive and run straght as the crow fly set up and bay for a few he hear u are dogs coming he would run another mile,he put me out of catch dogs.2 loose baying dogs singing him a song in his face,and one 35 pd pit,and caught hog.he would put 20 miles on garmin.just wat ive done.

Oconee is right. You can haul about 12 alligators out there and maybe get him as long as they don't get to scattered out and he wants to run. Or you can take something with a bigger gas tank than he has and sit back and wait til he runs out of gas I like to run them til they just about have to lay down their so tired of running

I have a dog that will stay hooked for min or two usely two but I know guys that run lose dogs all I ever here them say is they got out run so I am confused being I have never ran all lose dogs my theory is have one or two that will stay hooked and then the gun slangers show up I would love to do the run them till they stop but I don't have big ranches to hunt. And just becuz a dog don't stay on the track for five miles don't mean it ain't a good hog dog can't have all wide outs lol

mike it's a buddy tanner dog. The dog ran 35 mile on that hunt ..    So run the hog out of wind an keep adding fresh heat every hour or two!

A good dog is a dog that sticks with a hog an shows u the hog at the end know matter the distance of the race! 

The way I look at it.... If a hog wants to run he's gonna run. Get some dogs on him that hav lots of bottom and will run the hooves off his feet till he bays and he will eventually. And I choose loose dogs over rough dogs cus I don't like vet bills and sewing my dogs up all the time. If they get cut down to where they can't run him anymore then he gets away. Some dogs that will take him for a run and not get close enough to get cut up then you'll eventually get him bayed. And this is not a rough vs loose dogs reply cus I like hunting with rough dogs I just don't like the vet bills. So I chose loose dogs with lots of bottom.

They all stop somewhere, put a dog that will hang with him till he gets where he wants to bay, then walk in and get him

If that's what you want Judge then their all yours!!!!!!   If a dog won't run a hog, he ain't a hog dog.   END OF STORY!!!!!!!!!!

Hey oncee how far will your dogs run mine don't have to run 7 miles cuz they will stop them long before that but they go mile or two all the time I don't know why your so angry I can't help it if your dogs can't stop a hog it's not my fault just like it ain't your fault that mine won't run from Huston to Dallas so you keep your dogs and I will keep mine lets see your big teeth 

The post was called Stoping a rank boar not running one if running them makes a good hog dog then there must be a ton of dang good dogs out there cuz I always here guys say they ran them all night but they got away we miss hogs to but I just say we got beat don't cry about

LOL.   Running catch dogs way to go

Just going off the way the dogs' working style is being described, I'ld much rather have a yard full of what Mr. Peel is describing. Those 30-40 mile a hunt style dogs are fun to watch on a gps screen for 4-5 hours on a Saturday night but when you have 4-5 places you need to hit on a work night and all you do is run one boar til sun up just to cut loose on him when he's froathing and croaking in a tank sounds more like running coyote hounds than hog dogs. The topic is stopping a RANK hog. I.e he's wanting to fight not run. I think the  kind of pack Judge described is the more effective and more accurate description of a Hog dog. If not, it's the type of pack that will put the most pork on the ground.

I just run 4 rough bay dogs and one runnin catch dog (pit bmc cross all catch) and a lead in bull dog incase its a real big one

Yep fellas that's how I see it but not knocking any ones style there are all kinds of good dogs out there rough dogs are all I know

I don't think there is a right way or a wrong way to stop a rank boar, either way you gonna get beat rough dogs or loose dogs , as long as you don't have to continue to make excuses for your dogs and enjoy hunting them,then get ready to get beat or outran sometimes, I think a lot of it has to do where you hunt , if your hunting pine thickets where hogs are scarce and spread out , like we do you get up early make the drive to turn loose your gonnabe pretty disappointed when they jump and run him a hour and come back( I know I will be)on the other hand someone hunting where there is a hog problem ain't that big of a deal,some people myself included enjoy watching good dog work rather than stacking them up like firewood, and good dog work is whatever you prefer, I like to get one jumped and run him until he bays ,sometime it works sometime it don't , same way with your rough dogs, the July dog was mine that ran a 13 hr race , I let my son take him and the hog was never stopped but I couldn't have ask more out of the dog pads run off , bayed numerous times just too thick to get a catch dog to him before he'd break , but that's the kind of hog I want to get on and get stopped

Circle T that's the kinda dog I like it's not many of them kind out there but it's a pile of them 1 mile dashers. If you get tired of the super long races let me know I'd like to be first in line for that walker he'd fit in good around my house

come on guys I didn't mean to start a war.  O0 we all have our own ways to stop a hog. I agree with judge a lot of dogs run hogs all night that got away, and hell ive been there a couple times lol I was just asking about stopping a rank hog

Lol brother I was never mad at anyone just was answering the best I know how and say what works for me bubba some people where sure enough mad at me but oh well any one that knows me knows better than that lol

OnceeHe said his don't run them for 5 miles. You saying if a dog don't stay on a hog for five miles then it a in't a hog dog? If that's what your saying then your just flat stupid. Just cuz that's not what you want don't mean it ain't a hog dog. I'm sure at least half of the people on here don't got dogs that'll stay for 5 miles and i know at least 75% here in west Texas don't got dogs that'll go more than a mile cuz the properties just aren't big enough. Come hunt round here hot shot, see if your dogs that gotta run 5 miles make the cut around here. Does that mean they ain't hog dogs, no just that they don't work round here for most people

Judge my dogs won't run a hog out of sight!!!  LOL!!!!  I got a pack of English bulldogs and they'll give'em hell for a minute but if he gets away I'll just load all 10 of them up and head to another spot.   They may not be hogdogs but that's the style I prefer to hunt.  LOL!!!   I don't even need a garmin, I just listen and if I hear growling and squealing, then I got him if not they'll come pantin back  pretty quick!!!  

THATS ENOUGH NAME CALLING JOSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   I have an opinion and if a dog won't run a hog that's runs then its not a hog dog and I'll stand by that opinion.   I don't want to run hogs all day either but it one runs and my dogs don't stay with him the meals will come to a stop around here.  Everyone on here has an opinion and we should be welcome to voice it without ridicule.   

Onocee that's good stuff right there bubba keep em coming I will stick with my worthless curs they do a good job for me and I like them they work hard and look good two that's all a man can ask for out of his dogs I guess end of story

hahah im with you judge, I mean i am all for running just cd but you said best my curs look good doing it lol

Mr. Oconee, you are exactly right!

Mr. Bo I'm gonna hang on to this sorry ol long winded cull , he ain't but 18 mths maybe he'll get better, let me know if you ever wanna try one I will dang sure send you some young ones next time I have some if that's the kind you like

x2  yes the july hound was a out standing working dog :) And i appreciate the extra hand your son been doing an the extra dogs!

You bet , anytime

Well I am back on the hunt for a rank boar we missed the other night we had him bayed 4 times every time we would get close he would break he would run about 800 yards and stop to fight we had the young dogs out cuz the a team has been recovering from the last few big ones. But we ran him for 3 hrs we finally had him stopped in some cane he broke and ran a circle around is my gyp had him by the tail it was funny he was a beast we had the spot light on him looked like 55 gal barrel with legs I guess that is why it's called hunting lol

Just curious, does anyone run just one dog?   I've been running just one dog at a time and leading 3 catch-dogs.  This has really been working good for me lately.   I hate to leave others in the dog box but the ranker, wilder, and running hogs seem to take the single dog baying them better.  I guess one dog don't really impose much of a threat in there mind then all the sudden 3 good catch-dogs got their nose in the dirt.  Of course I've had to step it up to 3 lead-in catch-dogs instead of the normal 2 for additional help at crunch time but its really working good so far.

I have two buddy's that hunt like that but they hunt big country mostly farm land with tree lines not deep brush even tho those patches can be thick they seem to pretty good just have a lot of bulldogs lol I guess the same as bunch of what ever else

I hunt one dog sometimes and pack one bulldog.  Some hogs will usually take a bay better with one cur, but I don't do it often cuz I've got young dogs that need work.

if a hog wants to run he will run...lots of folks will say this...if a hog wants to run in the thick jungle he will run and if he is smart about it will not get caught...most hogs are smart enough...less dogs and dogs that only put a mouth on the hog to stop it is probably best in that scenario...

that same hog that wants to run and get away will probably not be able to do that in open woods with the rough stick to the track kind of dogs...that hog won't run because he can not run...

In my opinion if you have dogs that like to nip at the hog and bite him while he content being bayed up, it makes them break. Basically fighting the hog instead of just committing to catch. This probably ain't always true because there are some that just run. I've seen certain dogs get there and I know what they do and the hog breaks.

Heavyhitter89 did you ever get that boar hog

Sounds to me like the hog is a runner and you are encouraging him to run.  If he is baying until you get close, then running, it could be you are causing it him to break. Are you going in down wind?  how much noise are you making going in?  Are you going in alone in stealth mode? Or going in with several others, sound like a bull in the woods.  Does your bulldog make a lot of noise and bust brush, or does he just ease into the bay?



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Reatj81 I don't think all that stuff you said makes much difference. If you got him bayed good he shouldn't hear much anyway pigs don't hear good to begin. Now smell might make a difference to a degree but in my opinion if he is bayed good all he should smell is my dogs breath lol. Some people over think stuff to much if your going to catch him then you will if not well then try another day. But to think you didn't catch him cuz this and that is just silly I have heard a lot of folks on here say dont make excuses for your dogs lol they don't come with remotes controls. Just my two cents

Honestly I dont have the time to run one 13 hours.  I have owned walkers and hounds that would run all day and I would finally have to catch them and get home, work or church.  If we cant get him stopped in a couple of hours I am picking up and moving to the next hog.  All my dogs catch and if its too big I have a couple that will back off and bay.  I go to the woods and catch hogs, I feel like I have hog dogs,  if they aint hog dogs I dont know what they are, but they work for me. 

Judge I agree with you somewhat, on overthinking it.  But I do believe I catch more rank hogs hunting alone, quietly choosing my path to the bay.  I have a bulldog that picks and chooses her path to a bay, not hardly breaking a twig. I do believe that it helps catching them smart ones when the bull dogs don't go crashing in advertising they are coming.  If I only have a couple of dogs baying I do believe the hogs know when I get close if they have been bayed before.   After all, every time they get away we are educating them!


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Reatj81 that is a fact specialy if you run hogs all night but if you bay him then get whoop even wors

Groundskeeper that is awesome when a dog can stay with one for 13 hr that's a different kind of a dog and that's cool for the folks who like that and have endless land to hunt. But really after two or 3 hrs he has proved his point he has bottom I would just stop the hog at that point cuz more than likely I ain't where I should be that why I choose grit and speed over bottom. In my thinking any way lol

I dont fault a person for choosing the long winded, long range, races but it just aint for me.  I like them to put the brakes on them in a hurry. 

Dido

There really is no right or wrong answer when it comes to stopping a rank boar. If he is rank enough to fight the dogs, then he is usually caught with either rough dogs are catchdogs. If he breaks & runs your only choice is a dog with bottom. How much bottom depends on how much property you have to hunt on. This topic might be better titled: stopping running hogs because rank hogs normally fight & then they get caught  running hogs, if they run far enough live to run another day.lol RCD's will not do any good unless a hog stays around long enough for them to get their teeth into them. In our brush, if a hog breaks before they get a chance to catch him, then you are off to the races.
  My own personal preference is for a dog with bottom. I have had people hunt with me for years bringing dogs that only run 2 or 3 hours & quit & plotts have gone on to bay or catch the hog. Don't get me wrong, I still get outrun, but it is more that I pull them off after a all day race. I don't care what you hunt, the fact is that you will not catch them all.
  The other side of the coin like stated above, I can't turn these dogs loose just anywhere. That being said, I can put the breaks on a dog but I can't put a motor in them.
  All that being said Hoghunting is just a sport & one we all enjoy so hunt the dogs that give you the most enjoyment. We all get outrun, we have all had that bad boar that has cut us down. Just goes with the territory.

Right on right on

I like lots of grit and lots of bottom...the first chance the dogs have to catch up in the open he will get shutdown...running type catch dogs that catch solid and do so a mile away will not live long in my opinion...either a hog will get them eventually or heat exhaustion will...

the problem with real gritty dogs I have noticed over the years has been that they tend to be bay breakers because they put pressure on a hog in a thick spot etc...and the hog will break and run before enough dogs get there to position themselves to catch the hog...so the hog breaks and runs to another thicket and it just keeps repeating until the hog makes a mistake or gets away...

so the best dog in my opinion is one that is bred to work cattle naturally and has that mentality to want to keep the hogs gathered/stopped yet have that natural mentality to do all it can to stop a hog that wants to break and run...this dog needs to also have the best of hunting traits as well...

Buck shot in the ear works pretty good.

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