EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Has anyone purchased any within the year from either David Thoms or Randy Wright, if so can I get a little feed back an maybe the sire an dam, I'm interested but just wanna be sure before my purchase

Yes I bought two from randy out of Wright's Kino and a hellcat female they are seven months old and been on two hogs first trio out they went 800 yrds and were coulght I would recommend his dogs to anybody really like what I c I had a litter of thirteen just hit the ground out of two dogs from his yards I'm wanting 350 a pup let me know some people caint comprehend 1000 a pup well at 6 months old and going  800 cought hog is enough for me plus having the best genetic their is imo

If you want dogs that are gonna catch at 800 yards... 1/2 mile... Mile away  >:D

When the hog weights 50lbs don't matter anything over about 120 all bay

Well that's a horse of a different color  ;D

What happens when they get older and are catchin/tryin to catch 150-200lb hogs n they r 800yds n done got cut down bc they were caught to far out?

They get a bullet and I'm screwed out of a 1000 bucks caint run gritty dogs where I'm at 150lb hog can have 3 in cutters pretty easy

I have 4 and 5 yr old dogs that have never had a cut or scratch on them other than what the flint rock will do to their feet

If i was u n wanted that line, go to mr thoms. I wouldnt throw a bucket of pi$$ on randy if he was on fire. I would though, throw a bucket of fuel on him

David thoms line came from randy?

U dont say????  rolleyes

If they get to gritty, try hunting them by their selves. Most dogs will bay a hog if they are by their selves, especially in a thicket. Sounds like they are real promising pups. Good luck with them.

both randy and david has good stock go with what you like there is always haters in the world

and yes they can be rough stock but like posted earlier there is ways to brake a dog from being rough sometimes
I run all foundation dogs and yes i like them rough but they are all rough and i want them to be caught on a big hog 800 yrds away and i do not have problems with dogs getting cut up very often yes it happens but not much as you would think

if you want to talk blood lines or anything else I will  shoot it straight to you hit me up i will give u my number

Thanks for the info gentlemen.

Yes sir u c how touchy the subject can be but u caint co wrong with their dogs

I've raised enough (foundation dogs) to form an honest opinion.  The first one I raised I was honestly impressed with.  He was not perfect by any means and had his faults (extremely rough and male dog aggressive to name a few) but all in all he was a solid dog.  The next two after him were sorry as could be.  Said and done, I got rid of all the ones I had and stayed with what I've used for years.  I never found the range that I like in Foundation dogs.

Be leary of anyone who claims to not produce culls.  Be leary of anyone who doesn't use the dogs they are breeding for the purpose you are wanting them.  Be leary of anyone who breeds on pedrigrees alone.  Be leary of anyone who claims to breed a dog that will suit everyone.

My .02

Excellent advice Bryant.

Best point you made on them.......BE LEARY.

yep there are haters out there, but I really don't think im hating on the foundation line, bc I got a dog from u, and 5 others, so I  think you mite be smart enough to figure how many foundation dogs I have total, and only 3 others that are not foundation. do I need to do the % for ya too steven? I don't hate the dogs, I hate that specific forked tongue, double standard, do as I say, not as I do, dog peddling sales person. if ur not in their clique, then ur poop outa luck. there are several members on here who have and will be their last foundation dogs, just bc of randy wright, and his cronies who make up the rules as they see fit and if a person aint wearing knee pads when dealing with them, they get shafted. u cap slurp all u want, I will not, and will not have anything else to do with the foundation, but I will move my dogs to a registry that aint double standard.

Bryant, you are very correct on your opinion, and its not a biased opinion either.

Sounds fair to me francis!

Of course muhammad, im an equal opertunity hater

Well, I'm not sure about getting a refund on a dead dog that caught but if your dog from David Thoms doesn't turn out it is refunded pending the dog is in good health.  There are plenty of folks that hunt and catch hogs with his dogs, others that shoot over them, just depends on how you want to hunt.  If you don't want to pay the $$$ then you need to look elsewhere, he never seems to have an abundance to try to get rid of...just saying...also remember his dogs are working dogs(cattle or hogs) some turn on to one or the other(occasionally a deer dog-tracking), some turn on to both requiring a little work...I know someone that bought one that wouldn't look at a hog, but Mr. Thoms made it right best of my knowledge....don't know Mr. Wright...just a little info...if you are looking for a certain way a foundation dog hunts might be better off finding a finished dogs and paying the Big Money and get what you are looking for...

randy wont make it right. that's 1 reason why I have no use for him, but yes you are right, mr thoms will make it right come hell or high water.

I bought a couple dogs from mr Thoms... From all the talking we done one thing I can remember he told me was that the difference in his dogs and mr wrights is he works his in rough country not in open land... I don't know if y'all seen the country around three rivers but its rough as it comes... He does guarantee money back if the dog isn't winding and baying cows or hogs by a yr as long as that pup was raised right...

I recommend Rodney Spivey if your looking for yellow dog.
His dogs arent registered with fbmcbo but he will write out pedigree and give you the entire back ground on em.
Honest as they come and doesnt care if guys pups or not.

I agree with Airduster, I have had three of his dogs which were Foundation registered and all turned out good.  I have some dogs from Rodney Spivy and there turned out good.  Sometimes a little ruff but will get out and find a hog.
 
I like the Hellkat dog, 4L lil Man, Yellowjacket, Mcaroy's Tank and Spivey's Molly.  These are some good woods dogs and producers.

Jmo

David Thoms will make it right.........Only after a lawyer gets involved..... 

I hunt yellow dogs but they are not paperd  dogs have never seen a paper catch a hog. But on the other hand I keep up with my breeding real close I haven't seen many regesterd dogs that have what I call the total package. Good lean muscle, deap chest cavity for air long legs  for  a good gate or stride and most of all mental focus.the ones I've seen are very high strung.that doesn't mean they don't exist I just haven't seen them. I'm sure they are around just be careful when you pick them.

Gentleman thanks for your pros an cons, but I'm gonna go ahead an try a male pup outta Thoms yard an see how it goes! If anybody knows about Thoms stud dogs could you help me out in my decision!

I have seen enough to know I won't own one...there are good dogs in every breed of dogs used for hog hunting...and some breeds and strain have a higher cull rate and that is all I have to say about that...I have seen Wrights Cur advertisements way back then...and it was too contradictive for any one dog to be that good...sounded good but no one dog can do what he advertised no matter how good a dog...

Reuben, as with bryant, i agree with ya on the part of the bs advertisement of nvr a cull n why out of all the other pups fathered by ben, why is it only 2 r well known. Nvr producing a cull is a crock of crap. Even though i own a few of that line, i always ask who ever gets a pup to keep me up dated on them n if they rnt worth a crap, giv me the dog back n it'll b added to bone yard. Iv gotten 2 culls outa this line, culls for hog usage, but the new owners r usin them on cattle n r happy with them, but yet they were culls for my usage

Charles...that is exactly what I have always said...too many cow dogs won't make hog dogs because todays average cow dog is a dog that wind mills and drives cattle to the pen...a cow dog that wants to roll out is a cull...and todays cow dog doesn't need a nose...and a hog dog needs to roll out and must have a nose...there are cow dogs that have to get deep in the woods or swamp to find cows but that is not the norm any more...

I did cross a hunting dog with a cow dog and got lucky and got the best of both worlds...I believe one can cross a good hunting dog with a good cow dog and select from there and get good to excellent hog dogs...ok...the crown and Canada dry has loosened up my tongue... :-X  ;D

In reply to the original question rolleyes.  We have Thoms females out of Gato by Colorado and out of Prissy Coyote by Western Astacosa.  Each has merits - pups out of our Colorado female tend to me more leggy, great tracking nose and a looser bay.  Our pups out of the Western Astacosa female have a HEAP of fire (but can be shy as pups), closer bay (or catch) and smaller in the body.  We like and work both but I've based my kennel on the "Western" line. 

For what its worth both of Davids stud dogs mentioned have been killed in working accidents in the past year or so.  I started two Thoms line pups last week, here is a video of them on the second pig that they've seen.  They are 4 months and 4 days in the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTKRSw4XLEQ&feature=c4-overview&list=UUt_7U2QvvyrvsEF5EB-SBuw

cheers

Troy 

I was waiting on you to call chime in!

Nothin wrong with those pups aussie!!! Lookin good!!

Haven't been on here in quite a while, but just as expected the arguments and bickering never change. Lol  :D
Anthony

Nothing against your video but not impressed man ...

Their 4 month old pups... what would it take for a 4mo old pup to impress you o great one...

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Probably running their own hog for a day and a half, settling him to bay and catching on command once the handler arrives like most four month old pups on the net would do.   rolleyes

Thanks guys for the pros an cons! Everyone does have an opinion, just purchased 3 dogs from David Thoms, 1- finished hog dog from his workers that he has, which did cost a good amount of change an 2 pups he let go at a decent price! Had the finished gyp for a week an she is looser bay an strikes out 200-700yrds an the pups are 6 months each drop them an they didn't have a problem going out an seeing the show!!!

God deal man dont think u can go wring with them mine come from randy sure like them how old is the older dog bet u hunts good u sound happy with them u get what u want by what u put into it I'm glad to hear u choose that line

Hey Aussie pups look good to me I don't get why people on here are so fast to cut people down. I didnt see a video of his two day old pup baying so who cares what people say I don't. Internet bashing is easy lol. I guess fellas do it to build them selfs up but any they look good

I wasnt bashing him at all. What I expect to c an anyone else is different .
Or is it just me but I  did see the dog walk off . Sorry I guess I should of worded different.