EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I know this has been discussed before but I would really like to see everyone on here that is a member join TDHA.  I am putting this in the HOG HUNTING section because if we keep losing ground we will not have a HOG HUNTING section or a board for that matter.  Why there is nearly 1300 members here not even half that many members of TDHA is beyond me.  $20-$25 per person is CHEAP when you look at what it will cost you in the long run as they nibble away at what we love to do.  I am asking that each and every member here take the time to join so that we have a larger member base to use as things become tougher in the future.
HERE IS THE LINK..........USE IT!!!!!!!
http://thenewtdha.com/tdha/pages/jointdha.htm
Thanks,
Matt

Doug keeps letting me walk away without paying up........ I expect him to grab me by the scruff of the neck and shake the $$$$ out of me on Saturday.  ;)

Steve

I'm a member!  Payed in June I think

Steve, I will remind him to do that if Julie will get a picture of to post up!  ;D Just joking around

ON SERIOUS NOTE

I used to be a Board member, because it is something I am extremely passionate about, I am still active but now, Only because my plate is too full, can't dedicate as much time. However I still volunteer and have seen this Association come a long, long way, it is still grass roots, and is growing, but it only grows with help and participation from folks that are passionate about hunting with dogs, if that includes YOU then you should be a member too, no excuses.

Don't have $25.00? Everybody has a credit card, pay online, it is a secure payment, you are not at any risk.

You may not "see" what TDHA is doing, but that does not mean they are not busy.
Look for the Scholarship program to be up on the website very soon. 2010 Hunting Contest is being worked on now, and that is a huge project,  so is the TDHA code of conduct, I made a post on the TDHA Message Board, so if you want more details about whats happening please read it there.

And for those of you who don't read the other boards... here's one reason why.

http://www.easttexashogdoggers.com/forum/index.php?topic=7993.0

NO MORE HOG HUNTING WITH DOGS IN THE SAM HOUSTON NATIONAL FOREST... and know this hits too close to home for a bunch of members on her.

Everyone should display the bumper sticker with pride as well !!!!!! I've yet to come across one...I'm a member of texasbowhunter.com and I'm starting to see those bumper stickers everywhere. Get one with your membership and lets see were we can spot'em...


A BIG THANKS TO T.D.H.A FOR ALL YOU ARE DOING!

Thanks, Matt

Its as simple as this...Freedom....and many are working hard to take it away.

The TDHA has done alot of good work to keep hunting with dogs and keeping dogs legal. Everyone needs to get joined up and then they can be as active as they want, but we have got to have the numbers. Ya'll can see, if you look around, that dog hunters and hunting/working dog owners are under attack. Ya'll have no idea how close we came to having state wide dog legislation enacted that would have been real close to what happened in Ft.Worth. The TDHA BOD and their lawer spent hours on the phone with the state senator's aid that was writting the proposed law....our input was the main reason that the law was droped and not even brought to a vote. The TDHA is working hard to protect your rights, and we need your help. They are coming for us and they are comming NOW.

Join the good fight, join TDHA today.


Other things the TDHA does for members....

Legal Fund

Crime Stoppers Fund

Scholarships

Brand registery

Code Of Conduct

And it make you feel good to support a good cause. Join us today ;D


Thanks,
Paul T

She does a pretty good job of photographically documenting my foolishness....... I'm sure that you will get your picture.

Steve

Paying annual dues at the TDHA Hunt For The Hungry Contest is pretty convenient.  That's what I maintain my membership.

I just joined for the first time....glad you posted the thread Matt!

I have had my reasons for not joining...but as long as ETHD supports TDHA...I will as well. There are other hog hunting website that I hate to see TDHA having any involvement.

 :D


 I hate to hear about the NF shutting it down.

    Anyone have a friend at TPWD that can get the names of the dogs hunters who hunt there? I am sure most arnt members of TDHA and will join the fight when they find out.

Mike,

     There is not a list of dog hunters per se.  In order to dog hunt there, you just have to have an APH - public lands hunting permit that you purchase along with your hunting license. They don't differentiate between dog hunters and rifle/ bow hunters with regards to the licensing.

    The real kicker is it looks like dog hunters are still welcome to hunt squirrel, rabbit, etc. Just not hogs ???

I signed up today.... ;D ;D

 Chris,

   I wonder if the gun hunters spoke up agenst running dogs............??  I use to always buy my APH to duck hunt in my area. I would get a servey with my name on it to fill out. It asked where I hunted,what I hunted and what I killed. That info is somewhere in Austin.

Just Signed Up!

The hog/dog season has always been January thru March... after the gun hunters have left the woods.

I am not a member yet but have been looking into it. Exspecially since some of the regulars from Village Mills has been telling me about it.

You all might be able to tell me, how or who do I contact to see if they can set a booth up at a baying? I had several people ask about it last week.

Any info would be appreciated.  :)

Shannon

Who is in charge of the park? I assume not TPWD since it is a national forest?

I know Joe Carter at TPWD. He is the Captain in charge of internal affairs and oversees the park rangers and complaints. I have taking him hog hunting a few times. Dont mind giving his email and sending one myself but if TPWD doesnt oversee the SNF...then I doubt that would be of any help.

I would assume the US National Parks Service... http://www.nps.gov/index.htm

But a little further research indicates that its the USDA Forest Service... http://www.fs.fed.us/r8/texas/recreation/sam_houston/samhouston_gen_info.shtml

Steve

Joined 2 weeks ago...

I just spoke with the USDA Forrest Service, Sam Houston National Forrest operator.

Apparently, the USDA is responsible for habitat management and TP&W is in fact the regulatory agency responsible for wildlife resources.

I was informed that, along with the elimination of dog hunting, feral hog hunting in the forest has been opened up to "year round status".

Officer Scott is the forest LEO and can be reached at (936) 344-6205. He was not available for comment at the time of my inquiry but I anticipate a return phone call. If nothing else, I would like to know the reason for closing "dog season" and contact higher up the chain. That should give the TDHA a good starting point should they choose to pursue.

Steve

I am going to be the point man on this for the TDHA. I am also working the phones.

Please share any info that you learn.....

We will find who the person is that we can put some heat on and then have an organized effort aimed at the correct people.


Join the TDHA today.

Paul Teegardin
806 455 1297
pwt_3@yahoo.com

Thanks,
Paul T

is the 25 dollar enrollment fee anual or monthly?

Anual

PM Sent, Holler if you need any thing else. :)

thanks eric

TDHA dues are $25.00 per year. You can join on the web-site and pay on-line......

http://thenewtdha.com/tdha/pages/jointdha.htm

This is pretty much what they did at Fort Hood. They have always allowed coon hunting with dogs but do not allow hog hunting.

I was told that whoever traps hogs has convinced the Rod and Gun club on Ft Hood to not allow hog dogging.

I joined the end of July and I have my sticker on my truck as can be seen in the corner of my back glass. I joined because TDHA supports bird doggers as well as hog doggers and all dog sports.

(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc3/3britts/enlargedhog1.jpg)

Lynne and myself joined
 its a great organization that works for all dog owners and  thier rights
             Dexter

That is what I thought about when I first read this. Some private contractor or a group of people got together and talked them into do this.

JMO
  ya think someones palms got sweated at ft hood ,,, myself i would just about lay odds on it,,
 but ya know they call a male coon a boar, female a sow ,,,,,, dant it dogs  got the wrong boar and sow hmmmmmmm
 dont coons have a curly tail
 

$25 a year to join and that's it?? :o

that's nothing....especially to join somthing that's going to make a difference in our sport!

ill be a member here real soon.

I am making some head way this morning, I spoke to one of the people on the committee that made the decision to stop the dog hunting in the forest.

I am gathering information to forward to him and will be working with him on this issue.

When I have a game plan ready I will let ya'll know and we can make a group effort.

I need some help searching for any studies done on the impact of dog hunting on deer and deer populations. If anyone finds anything send it to me in a PM.

I have got to get some work done but will be working on this steady until I have an action plan we all can take part in.


Thanks,

Paul T 

 

Paul,

     I know there was some discussion a few months ago on TB about dog hunting and it's effect on deer populations. I think it was all deleted from public view though.  If you can recall anyone who posted the links, I will contact them.  A few names come to mind, I just don't know who posted actual links.

Bryant, Bump, Scdogman, Cantexduck, Mark T   ??????????????

I just want to make sure I am understanding what are up against here, they believe that the hog dogs are damaging the deer population and we need to show them that it doesn't????

It may have been posted by SCdogman, I believe it was someone outside of Texas that started that thread,

Ya'll check around over there and see what you can find...For those of you who don't know I was baned from TB for standing up for the dog hunters, so I can't get on that board anymore.

Paul,

Heres a start.

http://www.treesearch.fs.fed.us/pubs/21359

http://nris.state.mt.us/apps/WildLifeBib/WildLifeBibResults.asp?ID=167

Thanks, keep them coming I need all I can get.

I know this isn't scientific, but my *pet* hog ate a 6 month old lamb. I can only assume she'd eat a deer if she got the chance.
Cheers
M

If you read throught this link there are some key points about how hogs need to be hunted from various angles and that hunting with dogs is a very effective way to do that.  Also mentions that hog depredation on young trees can be very detramental in a forrested area....
http://www.aphis.usda.gov/ws/ca/prevention_and_control_factsheets/wildlife_damage_and_control_handbook_wild_pig.pdf

about $2 a month to support hog hunting and other dogs sports. plus they put a price on the persons head that steals a dog.  

if you are a TDHA member put it as your signature or under your board name so the non members feel left out :laugh:

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Matt, yes this has to do with the effects on the deer population and complaints from deer hunters......I realise and brought up the point that the season in the Sam was in the spring and that would not change anything in the fall.

He was very interested to see any studies I could come up with relating to dog hunting and efects on deer.

This seems to be coming from the state and federal biologists that work down there.

My contact is in the loop and I think we may be able to make some head way through him, he is one of the three or more that made the decision.

Paul, sounds like you found a good contact, although this will doubtly affect me personally, this is just another fine example of what TDHA is doing for our sport.

Join up, pay the $25, and lets all unite as one voice that will be heard.

Slim,
   
     This is the place we had the big spring hunt the last two years. You've got the tshirt...

The thing that concerns me the most about this situation, is that it looks like the beginning of the end. All it takes is a little momentum in the wrong direction, and we're going to be in the same boat as the deer doggers.  Paul/TDHA, thanks again for taking the lead on this effort.

Oh snap......well though I didn't make the hunt last year, I had hoped to be at the next one.


I fully agree, and that is why everyone needs to join, pay the dues, and pay attention to what TDHA is doing to help each one of us.

Each time something like this happens, it's another "straw on the camels back" and it looks like he might be getting a pretty good load of straw.

Exactly, the next group of anti-doggers will be using this to support their agenda, and it just snowballs from there. Precedents carry alot of weight.

FYI,   White Oak Creek WMA, will remain open to dog hunters and they want it to stay that way.

I just went to the TP&W office in San Antonio an got my permit and book. I havent had a chance to completely go thru it. IS the Sam Houston Nat'l Forest the only one affected?

Bobby to my knowledge there are only two public areas in east Texas that allow hunting with dogs and that was the Sam Houston National Forrest and White Oak Creek WMA which is located in NE Texas.
Matt

Those were the only two in Texas where you could run dogs, non of the WMA out here in West Texas will let you run dogs.

Guys, and Lady...

I just got internet back (I live in the boonies and satellite sucks), But officer Scott of the USFS called me back today. He and I had a pretty revealing conversation.

The issue at hand has NOTHING to do with any perceived effect on deer populations. It had everything to do with us being our own worst enemy!  >:(

The two month long season was opened 10 years ago, planned as 10 year study of dog hunters and their effect as a depredation control method. In that time, the USFS and SHNF LEOs have found that the resource was under utilized, that dog hunters did not beneficially impact the hog numbers, that the majority of caught hogs were either transported live to destinations other than terminal facility or released for another day, and that we as dog hunters were not proactive enough to report utilization and harvest information via the APH harvest questionnaire which all APH holders are required to submit annually.

With consideration of the following and public outcry, a LARGE community of archers and rifle hunters who have committed to utilize the resource year round, the powers that be chose to increase hunter opportunity with a group more inclined to provide depredation relief and unable to release their prey.

I did point out that there is no written regulation (prior to this years sunset revisions) requiring hogs caught at the Sam be killed. I also suggested that revision of written regulation would be much more effective in helping them achieve their goals than limiting seasons or methods.

My suggestion, as you can imagine, was to allow all legal hunting methods of non-indigenous game during any non-utilized period (any time other than deer and turkey season) while requiring hogs be killed on site, reported at a check station AND to ADVERTISE THE OPPORTUNITY to increase utilization (I only learned about the season a year and a half ago).

His response in essence was........ You had your chance and you blew it!

That concludes my research on the subject. Silverton, if you would like to call me for any detail that may help your effort, please feel free to do so. 512-894-0292

Steve

That is a pofessional crock of number 2 if I have ever heard one!!!!

Sounds a little like the sentiment of our "federal ranger visitor" at the last PWRR. He obviously had a bad taste in his mouth from dog hunters. The issue I have is that IF dog hunters didn't participate in surveys, they how could they deduce that the dog hunters didn't affect the total numbers? As well, how does the forestry service know that the hogs were transported to non terminal facilities? Sounds like someone with some preconceived notions about hog doggers to me. I may be wrong since admittedly I harbor some preconceived notions about government officials.

Cheers and thanks for digging into this.

M

 WOW. Didnt see that coming.................

 Made up(excuse) or not, it is a pretty strong arguement. If the hunters(dog) are saying yes WE DID take out x number of hogs lat year- They just look down and read the numbers and say NO, we only show y taken by dogs last year.

Keep the info comming, good work.

Thanks,
Paul T

Guess I left that part out, Mandy....

He said that the information was all gathered and supported by his field work as a game warden and that was all they had to go by other than a small handful of annual reports. I did specifically ask how he knew that the hogs were being transported anywhere other than terminal facility....... He said that the hunters were dumb enough to admit that they were taking the hogs home, to a pen, or intended to release them. I asked if he wrote tickets for the offenses (I wanted to know if there was any documentation) and he stated that he gave each offender the opportunity to kill the pigs instead...... I am not going to make any accusations here but I can tell you that I really wish citations were written if for no other reason than to document the incidents.

Steve

This like being part of someones science project that you didn't know you were a part and then being punished for the way you acted.  There is no way in hell they have a clue what is taken out of the forrest or put in the forrest or anything involving factual numbers for that matter.  It is just the crutch they are using to lean against.
If I am in the woods and I stick a hog and leave it laying there, who knows about it???  Last year we killed half a dozen and one was taken home to be butchered and no one in green clothes knew anything about it so how are they are using this information as fact?

Funny how we ran into the same federal guy two years in a row, and he never once asked how many hogs we had caught, killed, etc.   First year was on the pipeline west of 45, second year was off Shell Oil Road.

Matt,

I really think Steve got ahold of our old ranger buddy. What he's saying is just about verbatim of what that federal ranger told us the first night we set up camp this year. Remember, he was saying that we should be glad they even allow us 30 days a year because Dog Hunters (specifically) are the REASON there is a hog problem in Sam Houston.

As well, how on earth could dog hunters be expected to make more of an impact in 30 days than every tom, dick and harry sitting in the woods with a rifle for 4 months - plus trappers year round? Open it up to us 8 months of the year and see where your hog numbers go. You'd have riflemen griping that there are just "not the hogs there used to be". The whole think reeks foul.

Chip on my shoulder but Cheers anyway
M

I have hunted the forrest for years and hate they did this no I'm pissed and think it is wrong!!!!!I have tried to follow the laws did for years but they keep taking my rights away it could get ugly!!I own property all around the forrest and could make a big hog problem but I'm not until I get real mad!!!!They might be beggen for dog hunters in a few years!!!!Them hogs are going to get bad!!!!And there as for as there deer numbers!!!!I can name about 5 guys that work on them numbers just about every night!!!!Why don't I tell on these guys well the goverment sure don't help me as a dog hunter...So why should I help them with there stupid deer!!!JMO

I am sure the poaching in that area has had a significant impact on the number of deer.  Sam Houston is some BIG woods, with very few officers available to enforce the game laws.

Yes sir I am not a deer hunter but I know how many get killed these boy live to drink and shoot deer!!!I know for a fact they kill atleast 3 aweek out of the gov. woods!!!!There ain't a gamewarden that can catch them I don't think!!!!

Paul,

Here's a study Clemson University did a few years back on the effects of running coon dogs through deer.  Not related specifically to hog hunting, but just the same...the effects of supposed dog pressure.

http://www.dnr.sc.gov/wildlife/publications/pdf/raccoonimpact.pdf (http://www.dnr.sc.gov/wildlife/publications/pdf/raccoonimpact.pdf)

Bryant,

     I know you followed the thread on TB, do you recall who all posted links by chance?

I think it was Kelvin (SCdogman). 

Guys/Gals --

I just downloaded and printed several TDHA Membership Forms and will make it a personal goal to get ALL of the people that I hunt with to sign up. 
I have many friends that always want me to take them hog dogg'n and I never ask them for anything in return cause I consider them FRIENDS.
I will ensure that they become members of TDHA, since they enjoy hog dogg'n so much, and present it in the form that even if they do not hunt with dogs... that right/privilege could be depleted.

If they want to hunt with me and my dogs then all that I ask is an ANNUAL TDHA Membership Fee....

Don't sound like too much... does it?

Mike

There have been several people who have said the only thing that will save hog-dog hunters is "them" needing us to do a job. Saying it is a sport, hobby, or right just won't cut it. :(



We found the thread on TB with the links I believe. Paul has been using it.

I renewed my membership last month and my wife joined today.   Gonna try to get some new members this weekend.

I just got off the phone with officer Scott a few minutes ago... not sure what to think about all of it. Hopefully this season will prove that the gun/bow hunters aren't going have a significant impact on the hog population and the dog season will be reinstated.

I assume that you got pretty much the same answer that I did?

Steve

I got a completly differant story when I talked to Bill Adams, but he is a TPW guy, his deal was the complaints from deer hunters about hogdogs chasing deer during deer season, and that hogdogs were chasing and killing deer during the dog hunt in the forest. I asked him if he was going to guess, how often a hogdog hunter has dogs trash on deer. His answer was 50% of the time, I told him that was way high and things have change alot sence he  went hog hunting with dogs 15 yrs ago, and that no one tolerates unbroke dogs anymore.

I smell a rat in this deal, the gun hunters just got a year around season, because they made enough noise to get the doghunters run out. Seems like if they were worried about dead hogs they would let shooters and doghunters both hunt and require doghunters to kill everything they catch. There are some changes that could be made to the rules to adress the problem they have with dog hunters. Just seems like the gun hunters got together to get a year around deal for themselves at our expence. This is not over yet.

Can ya'll check on some gun hunting boards and see if there is any posting by the gun hunters on this issue.....some of them have to be talking about it and what went on.

i sure am sad to hear about this. we have caught some really great hogs in the SHNF over the years. just can't imagine not being able to hunt out there, it's one of the places i was first introduced to hog hunting with dogs >:(

Paul, what that guy told you about the hog dogs chasing deer during deer season would be impossible... the dog season was always after the deer seasons were over. :o

And even during the two month dog season... you could still hunt hogs with gun or bow also. In the nine years i've hunted it, I ran into one gun hunter... so that tells me the year round season will not be utilized by gun hunters at all.

Extend the season for dog hunting, make it mandatory for the hog to be killed and you will see an impact in the hog population. As it's going to be now, I only see the hog problem growing and getting worse.

Yea Mike I pointed that out to him and he really did not have an answer other than hog dogs were causing a problem during deer season and were either running in from neighboring property or being hunted there when they should not have been. So I asked how was this rule change going to help that problem....well no answer. I told him I was sure the biggest impact on the deer herd was poachers, and he agreed so I said using the same logic you should cancel the deer gun season, he kinda got a kick at that because he knew, there was no answer to that. I also told him that if I was going to use some dogs to move some deer around during deer season that I would be sure they were wearing cut collars, he said he had not thought of that. They did not really think this thing out, they (who ever that includes) really just wanted the dog hunters out and are just making up some excuses. The man that I talked with was a reasonable man and I hope I gave him something to think about, until our next conversation.

If there is no baiting allowed in the forest then the gun hunters are not really going to kill any hogs. The deer/hog shooters seam to be the ones that they have used as an excuse. Dog hunters are the problem because they don't kill enough hogs, in a 30 day season. The state and fed biologist are my bet as the culprits in this mess, betting they are anti dog hunters and got this pushed through.

Good job Paul thanks for what yall do!!!Stay on top of it we do care!!!Thanks again!

Paul I couldn't agree more as we are seeing now it is becoming a he said she said with no proof and not even a concensus on why it was cancelled.  I fear that we are never going to get a straight answer from them leaving us with an unclear taget while trying approach the powers that be. 
MG

Has anyone figured out if other groups did know about this? I know it's treading on thin ice because some people are set in their ways about the impact of hog dogs on deer, but getting another marginalized hunting group like bowhunters involved might help. I'd go to some of the larger bowhunting groups and say, "We're getting the run around, but one claim is that hog hunters weren't effective enough so they canceled our season. Have any idea how many more hogs you can catch with dogs than shoot with an arrow? If efficacy is the issue, y'all are next." Same with the coon hunters. Last time I checked a coon dog could run deer just as easily as a hog dog. And if people are still complaining after the hog season has closed, they could be next too.

Seems like such a confusing situation that we'd need strength in numbers to get a real answer or get things changed.

that's a very good point and idea TBL. as weird as it may sound, there is nothing like "self preservation" to drive diverse groups to stick together against a common cause...it's human nature.

Very true, TBL. It sounds like some one with experience needs to offer to help make some regulations.

Deep down in my gut, I feel nothing will get changed. Someone has always got to complain about something because they are not having success and cannot blame it on themselves. Not seeing any deer so lets blame the hog doggers!!

I lived in Dodge and Huntsville from the mid 80's to the mid 90's and I knew where hogs were in a couple of areas of Natl Forest there most anytime. I had been talking to Zach about going there once we had some working dogs put together.

Maybe the gods of the hunt will smile and things will get changed back.

Ok folks, I am working on my letters for the men that are incharge at SHNF. All of you that have spoken to some one down there please PM me the name and contact info. I will pick through all the posts. 

I will have some work for ya'll next week so be ready.

Thanks for all the help,
Paul T

i posted a couple threads on Texas Bowhunter.  we'll see if they stay up.  i doubt it but we'll see.

Go back and read the response from the guy in Coldspring. All it takes is a couple of stories like that and the doggers can completely forget it. True or not. And that one is probably true, sad to say.

I have been watching but there have been no responses to the thread, where are you seeing that Bobby?

Here ya go

http://discussions.texasbowhunter.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1760833#post1760833

Bobby, I just read the post... those people are "outlaws" and should not be labled as dog hunters. We shouldn't be punished for what they do, law enforcement should handle them accordingly.

Look at all the other outlaws that shoot deer off the roads and spotlight deer... they're not going to shut down deer season.

Hey I agree. But if just 4 or 5 guys tell stories like that to the officials at TP&W, what do you think is going to happen??

As in all hunting and fishing type recreation, we need to police our own ranks. Even if it means pissing off and old buddy. That or forget hunting public lands. This is all a crock of political BS and we know it. I mean if doggers kill say only 100 hogs a year, isnt that 100 more that are not running loose? Ad in the bow hunters and gun hunters and and get the yearly total. But the politicos in Austin cant see it that way. Me and you see 100 less hogs. They see 2 upset bowhunters.

Same topic but a different slant. I sat down with my booklet yesterday looking page by page. SHNF.. no dogs as we know. White Oak ...dogs allowed.

The rules under legal hog hunting in the back of the booklet says no dogs allowed except White Oak, but page by page, JD Murphee Big Hill Unit and the Salt Bayou unit says dogs allowed.

So which is correct?

I know it's all political b.s., but the sad part is... they're still going to have the same problems with the outlaws, then what?

The rule book has those typos every year, i'd go by the info on each individual unit's map.

ITs the same problem... the govt wont enforce the laws on the books so they make a bigger, broader law hoping it take care of the problem. Of coarse it doesn't... and good people lose out.

People need to start filing lawsuits saying if law officials can't use racial profiling and such... how can they profile certain groups of hunters?

Well it's a lot harder to get TP&W to reverse themselves, altho it can be done. But it will take an organized and Polite show of strength and a lot of luck. here's hoping.

How many new guys have signed up for TDHA? I'm going to sign Zach up this week.

i don't know if you guys browse through any of the larger hunting sites like archerytalk or bowsite but it's always the same thing.  if it doesn't effect them, who cares.  they're quick to point out when a guy shoots a deer or other animal out of season he's not a bowhunter but a POACHER, which he is, but the minute a guy cuts a fence to go after his dogs he's a doghunter, not a trespassing law breaker.  ALWAYS A DOUBLE STANDARD. >:(

i don't doubt the 2 guys that had problems one bit.  i've got a guy down the road that causes problems in my neck of the woods.  i've reported him several times and he's still at it.

Until they up the penalty for breaking the laws it's not going to deter the lawbreakers in this sport.  I wish people would realize that the same guy that's gonna turn his dogs out on property he doesn't have permission is the same guy that's gonna shoot a deer out of season or at night.  the same guy that'll shoot more than his bag limit per season, etc...   

Part of the problem is a lot of the newer guys have no idea what went on in years past just to keep archery season intact for them to enjoy today. I was on the LSBA council for a long stretch in the 80's. TP&W wanted input on having the special youth gun deer weekend the last weekend of archery season. One guy started whining that he hunted Ft Hood and sometimes there would be a cool front at that time and he didnt want to miss out because kids were rifle hunting then. I told him and the rest then, that we had better work together and get along. When any group starts trying to cut out the kids it makes them look uncaring and selfish.

Its the same with the NRA. Let the antis take assault rifles and that is the first step. A lot of people dont not understand that and it appears the guys on TBH dont get it either.

But saying if the bowhunters alone cant control the hogs means paid animal control agents get the next crack is just absurd. I would like to know who made that decision.

Guys, every time that we post like this, even if it can sound discouraging, something good happens.

I was just provided with some additional information as a direct result of the post in question..... I guess that I was trusted with it because I am a long standing (10 years), outspoken member of that board.

Silverton, I need you to call me. 512-nine two five-6412 If I don't answer there, call me at 512-eight nine four-0292.

Steve

well, i hope something does come from it.  i don't personally hunt in that neck of the woods but it's still wrong to strip rights from people that do.   it just re-affirms the fact we really need to start policing our own.  It doesn't matter if it's a long time friend or a next door neighbor.  It's definitely gone too far, when it seems like every where you turn all you're gettin is negative reports from outside sources.   

Well, as for the TDHA, let's call it the "step it up recruite campaigne", I plan to reg my 2 sons to help boost the general membership.
My challenge is for everyone to do the same. We also plan on donating an NALC catahoula puppy as well as a couple of bags of feed that were donated to the TDHA. The details will be ironed out with the TDHA BOD folks......We would like someone to donate a dog house, single dog box,  a lead, a collar, and cut  gear  where this is a total package deal...
 
and if any other TDHA memebers have something along those lines to donate to this drive it would be greatly appreciated...
folks lets all reach down deep and let make this a Great campaigne, this is all of our fight to save our rights
   
TDHA  BOD folks get  in touch with me and lets make this happen ASAP.
           Dexter & Lynne
 

Things are coming along well with this so far. The TDHA has a committie working on this issue.

We have gathered a large amout of information on what went on down there and what seems to be there long term goals.

The changing of the rules was not handled correctly and it appears that the powers that be have an agenda for how they want to handle hogs in the Forest.

I need all of you to continue working and gathering information on this issue.

We have a good shot at changing this.....its not going to happen real fast, so don't get board. I can't post everything that we know, but I can say that we have some bullets for our gun and we know what the target is.

KEEP working.......

Thanks,Paul T