EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I guess I caused to big of a fuss over showing off some of my pups....sorry folks

If any one has any questions about me or my dogs or wants to know more about some Florida dogs without the drama, I do know a bit about them

There's a few of us from fl on here. I'd be interested in knowning more about how you hunt yours to see if they are different then my fl curs.

No need to apologize... things get a little dramatic sometimes. We've got folks on here from all over... some green as the grass and some that's been hunting and around dogs longer than we've been living. You never know who's behind their screen name.

Post up and share some dog and hog pics.

I read the whole thread a couple times- no need to apologize.  I learned that no matter someone says on here there will be three or four that feel the need to argue or put someone down for what they say.  About half the time I log in I think I'm not getting back on this site, but I do like this site because there is always a lot to read whether I agree or not.

The drama is normal. On here

If it's too dramatic on here for y'all... there's plenty of other sites you can spend all your time.




I guess you've never done anything like this? rolleyes

I said it before a long time ago...this site is definitely tame compared to some other dog boards I visit. The mods here do a good job of keeping it that way. If you get offended on this message board...your skin is most likely a little thin. There is, in fact, very little "drama" on this message board.

It's really not that much drama on here it's a lot of opinions most of the time but that comes with different people from different places with different type of dogs than each other.

There's drama from time to time, not gonna say names but usually started from the same guys. (Not you) i say this every time, they are your dogs, you do what they want with them, other people shouldn't discourage you breeding dogs and what not, if they bought the dog & didn't like it and you offered to refund but they didn't take it? Then they either figured out a use for the dog or found it a new home. It's simple as that. That was chicken number 2 in my eyes to call you out like that. Typical internet tough guys...

If u really want to enjoy the sunshine you gotta stand a lil rain.

There is far less drama here than some forums I have been on.


Shotgun
Arkansas

Junior you did not start the drama. You just posted up your pups that you are trying to sell for a $1000 and talked up the parents some. You had to expect some of the responses that were made. Come on your selling Florida Cur pups for $1000!! 

Then you made a comment that people do not know you or what dogs you have, or even about Florida Curs. That's partially true. Do not know you, but do know where one side of your dogs come from. Your Tarbaby dog came from Chessers Monkey dog and JJ. Monkey came from the Partin family. Did you know that one of the guys who made a comment about your Florida Curs is a Partin?? Heck he sells his pups for $200. I guess you can say he has some real Florida Curs too!! Lol....

Any ways, you will have to be thick skinned and more confident if you are going to post what you did and not think you were going to get the responses you did. Good luck selling your pups and welcome to ETHD!!

It dont matter if he ask $100 or $10,000 for a pup. Its his dogs, his price. If a person doesnt like the price, then dont buy it n dont bust his chops over it, simple as that.

A little chop bustin' every now and again don't hurt nothin  ;D

I am on another forum called openhogseason and there is zero drama. We don't have near as many members but that is probably for the best..... I will more than likely never post to this site again. I made a mistake and realized that I am not in the east texas hog gets click. I will remain a member just to read what's going on just don't feel like dealing with this again. I do have tough skin just don't want the drama! Like I said if I wanted drama I would get a face book.

I have heard it twice now..... Some one made mentioned that the blood in this litter was sold to me for a 1/4 of the price I'm selling them for and now that some one knows where one side of the blood came from referring to my Tarbaby gyp. There is no Parton blood I either of these dogs. I do have a 1/2 Parton dog that I purchased from Mark Chesser but she is of no relation to the dogs I bred. Hope that clears things up.

Y'all have a good new year and hope everyone catches a ton of hogs this year.

Cya

Ur right, but it aint neccesary when it comes to a price set by the owner. I dont like the prices of things i see, so i dont buy it n i dont bust their ba(($ over their choice of prices.

That's why I don't put much salt into things peo

Dang I phone        In to what people say on here unless I know them and know there metal

I'm still interested in knowning more about your fl curs....

Audios! Stay above Ocala and you might have a chance at getting what your asking for those dogs. It seems dogs tagged Florida Cracker Curs are a hot commodity up that way, especially in that 352 area code.

I don't see no big deal with the man asking 1000$ for his pups I mean people pay that or more for a dogo pup and they know what they are going to get lol

 :D best comment so far!!!

Nobody likes a flood


Shotgun
Arkansas

I figured the dogo people would be on fire now haha I'm just picking a little bit nobody get upset

Warrent423 what's your name and where you from?

That was funny, way to lighten up the thread. Made me laugh, thats how it should be all in good fun.

Me too. Dodgegirl I would also like to hear more about yours as well. i always see your posts with that good looking dogo you got but I dont recall you talking about your Fla Curs. Would that be thread jacking? Dont mean no disrespect, just like hearing about the dogs.

I'll keep it short so we don't jack his thread. I have some post on here about "fox bloodline". My pops best friend has been breeding fl cur dogs for 20 plus years. Lots if line breeding from good dogs. No papers just good ol hard work that has paid off. The mix is mostly redbone x pit with a little bit if black mouth mixed in there. These dog will find and catch hogs. They are very rough dogs. For the longest time his dogs were not offered to the public. Every now & then he will now sell a few pups for around 200-300. I'm very lucky to have a few damn good dogs from him.

By the way, my name is Warren and we are from South/Central Florida.(Highlands, Hendry, Collier, Broward, Dade, and Monroe counties.) You might say half Cracker and half Conch, but 100% "Old Florida" ;)

Not trying to ruffle any feathers, but redbone x pit is just that and in no way a fl cur, or even a cur for that matter. Someone please tell me if I am mistaken....


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JMO but it seems you Florida boys get really touchy when it comes to your "Florida Curs"....as a breed I mean...but then again...seems a lot of y'all bicker about who's got "real" Florida curs and who doesn't.

Junior, you had some pretty decent looking dogs. I had a litter mate to tar baby, and one from the same cross in the litter before. Couldn't use them on cows where I was working at the time, so I gave them away. But, that older one turned out to be a hell of a cow dog.


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So if I cross a redbone with a bulldog does that make it a Florida cur. ??? Even if the bulldog or redbone have never been to Florida  If it don't what does a Florida cur consist of? I am definetly confused on the Florida currs now.

I'm from Fl and still unclear as well. I'm interested to hear specifics as well. I like to have accurate information from the original sources if possible. Is is a blanket statement for a general type? Or an exact science of a specific blend?

A redbone x with a pit from Florida is not a Florida cur. It is merely a cross that fits the style of hunting they do, and may be a nice cross....idk I have never hunted behind one so I can't say anything other than that is not a true cracker dog. There is no science behind it, nor can you make it. A person starting today with all the money in the world couldn't make a true cracker dog. These dogs originated in the late 1800's to early 1900's. The line of dog has been carried on from generation to generation. There is no certain cross that you can make to create it, you either have it or you don't. I guess what I am trying to explain is that if you don't come from a long line of cow men or are close friends with a family with the dogs or lucky enough to buy one from someone who has the line you won't see one come from anywhere else. Most old timers with these dogs will steer away from you ever knowing what he has nor would you ever have a chance to purchase one unless you are close to the family or in the family.

Warren it's funny you keep talking so poorly about my dogs when you don't know me but I bet you didn't know that not to long ago you were trying to buy a dog or set your buddy up with buying a dog from my cousin Ryan (boarhog1). When he got into the sport his dogs we're started and finished with mine and a few other buddy's we hint with...... I don't know if you were interested only because there was Lilo blood in the cross or not but there ain't just one family with old timy dogs. Maybe if you don't know the family's line of dogs you should inquire about them first.

I don't claim to have the best dogs out there but I have dogs that work for me and produce pork for me on a consistent basis....... I'm pretty sure that's all someone cares about who has a pack of dogs...... I could be wrong who knows.

And the 352 area code runs from gilchrist county south to hernando county. Im from citrus county though if you didn't read my other post when asked where I was from.....just a little south of Ocala bud

Well since I've obviously been mislead for 19 years of my life can some one tell me what breeds of dog make there real fl cur dogs?

So since these dogs originally started out as cow dogs before the line was passed down that does make them a true " cracker dog". I mean hell you said it yourself. You don't know what type I mutt actually makes a fl cur.... My family / family friends were mostly raised on ranches in okeechobee fl.

I'm not saying anything bad about your dogs at all, it's just my opinion that someone still breeding a hound to a bulldog in 2014 is not what the old timy dogs are. There hadn't been bulldogs bred into these dogs in a very long time. Nor has a hound for that matter. That was done before anyone on this board was even alive.

So.......after all that reading....the question remains.....

what breeds or 'types' went in to making these old time FL curs that originated from back in the day?

I see people plastering it all over the net calling their dogs FL curs. Some look like Catahoula crosses, some look like black mouth crosses, most look like bulldog/cur crosses. I have also seen people from FL posting photos of what appear to be pure Catahoulas and calling them good ol' FL curs. I understand the original strain was around long ago, and you gotta be in the know to aquire one or whatnot, but I'm still curious as to what breeds or types went into creating the FL cur dog. For there to be a group of dogs dubbed one name, a FL cur, then I would figure that they have a set 'type' at least. What breeds made that set type that qualify as a FL cur?

Dodge girl in 80 years when people forget ur dogs are redbone bulldog crosses then they will be true Florida curs . All I can tell is these dogs were breed to do a job useing whatever breeds were available at the time to get the desired aspects. It was just long enough ago that they have since forgot the breeds used. They are in a sense line breed mutts. Who knows with all these hog dog crosses one day there may be a pure bred Texas or LA or even an AR hog dog.



Shotgun
Arkansas

So a Florida cur can't be created from scratch in 62 days from a redbonexpitt I got ya they are a breed from way back yonder kind of like the Parker dogs or catahoulas or whatnots ,Junior tell us a little about your dogs if you will. How do you hunt them do you track hunt or road them or will they cast and kick rocks or do you get a visual. And are they open are silent on a track and I like to hear about bottom in a dog how long will they run a hog on average? I know all dogs are a little different even with the same breed and off the same yard but I'm just asking because I'm uneducated on the Florida curr. It's easy to sound like a smart@$$ on the computer and I'm not trying to be I'm just curious about the dogs. I bet one day there will be a Texas cur it will probably originate from a dogo and a blue tick.

That's what it sounds like shotgun wg. I'm gonna have to ask my elders why they've been lyin to me lol.

I would assume a lacy and a east tx ybmc make up texas curs. And a catahoula is a la cur.

You couldn't recreate a Florida cur today because they aren't used for like they once were. That's what made the dogs that we have today. You're not going to go out and gather truly wild cattle on open range today. Most people say they started with bulldog and hound, by bulldog that does not mean pit. There is a big difference between the two.


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What type of bulldog are you referring to then? Most people who bred performance bred pit bulls back in the day called them bulldogs not pits, in fact in most of those circle they are still referred to as bulldogs not pits. Thats kind of a newer term for them. I thought the only bulldogs around in the U.S. in the late 1800's and early 1900's were bulldogs (apbt's)? Just curious about these other type bulldogs (size, weight, where they came from)?

I have an offer to make, purely because i am 100% unbiased and ignorant to the "fl cur dog" i have 2 upcoming litters of southeast texas yellow blackmouth pups, the daddy to both is my best dog, and the best ive ever iwned, the momma to 1 of the litters is ine if the top 5 dogs ive ever hunted behind and the other mommas' littermate brother is another top of the line dog, bonnie is a great dog but she's no rockstar and im not afraid to admit it, she throws great pups off of my smoke dog, i have references, members in this board who have pups out if her that will tell you that the pups out of this cross will hunt.

With that said i would like to post an open to the public offer, anyone with a fl cur pup or future fl cur litter is elligible, i will pay for shipping from you to me, i would like to send one of my pups to you in return for you sending 1 to me, purely from an educational standpoint i'd like to see how my dogs work over that way. I 'd prefer to send to someone in florida with working florida currs. I am not taking a shot at anyone, i honestly would like to see one of these fl. Currs for myself! Post here or pm me or text/call at 409-926-7505..... Call anytime, if i dont answer then leave me a message. Thanks.

These are my smoke dog and zoey, one of the best ive ever hunted behind, just to get an idea on the avg. size of what i hunt..... If anyone is interested let me know.

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Btw, these dogs are rough rough rough, if you arent into rough dogs please dont respond.

The predecessor to what is now known as the American Bulldog. Commonly known in the southeast as a White English...but definitely not the AKC English. Dogs are thought to have decended from the Alano. Were these dogs intermingled with APBT? It would be foolish to believe they were not...exactly how much? Who knows. The "breed" American Bulldog was "established" by two men in the late 60's early 70's from old farm bulldogs. Their history is debateable at best and their progression is divergent as it gets.

Justin I would take you up in that offer in a heart beat.... But I just found out I don't have real fl curs so I'm out lol.

To the original topic, no apology needed.

Since we are talking about FL cures, sorry to bust any bubbles but I don't believe there is any such thing as a FL cur.  Here is why- is their a GA cur, a AL cur, a MS Cur????  No their is not.

Research I did years ago showed me that Catahoulas originally came to the US by the Spanish.  The Spanish originally came here and settled in FL.  I believe this is why many of the dogs in FL called FL curs have so much  cat in ithier bloodline.  Growing up in SW FL I saw many cur dogs that were bred with a little bulldog in them.  Crackers bred cur dogs to be extremely tough, resistant to the heat, and I believe the dogs called FL curs were started at catahoulas and had some bulldog in them.  Since they were not bred for color, not all of them look like cats and the crosses over the years have produced yellow and a lot of black and tans.

Good luck tryin to figure out the ingredients. Y'all can dig all you want, but that information is gone like a fart in the wind. I have read a few theories but thats all they are. They didn't keep records or papers because It was all logged in their brains, and they didn't do it to make a dollar. It's not some magical secret. The old timers bred what worked for them and kept doing it for generations. Whomever came up with the Florida cracker cur slogan needs to be kicked in the rear for creating a bunch of stupid hype. To me they are just a dog. Mine work for me but they may not suit you. I worked all over the state and seen every size shape and color, so obviously they all have very different backgrounds. Just depends on what region, county, or ranch your on. Seen good ones and bad ones. Breed what you got, work them hard, and cull harder. Do all that, and in the end you should be happy

To the cowboys they were just dogs breed to do a job as well. I would bet it wasn't a cowboy that came up with the name either but some city slicker.

I have hunted with old guys and asked what kind of dog is that? It's a dog was the response. They cared less what u called it as long as it did the job intended.


Shotgun
Arkansas

I just find it crazy that on a few actual hog hunting FL residents' facebooks and whatnot that I have glanced through, I see them referring to some of their dogs at FL Curs, a lot, yet when I see people commenting on their pics and asking what they're made up of, there's no answer.

I guess then, in TODAY'S day and age,  the term FL cur that is being used by actual FL residents, to refer to dogs that they are feeding TODAY, is just a blanket nickname then simply because they're whatever cur crosses and they live in FL?   ???

 :D

Exactly, ask an old cow man down there if he has any Florida Cracker Curs and I'm sure you will receive a very strange stare. You can call them whatever you want, I don't care and don't judge but yes it seems to be what you call a blanket term.

I knew it!!!! I knew it!!  At the heart of every good argument is a good old Catahoula!!!

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It was not till the 60's or so when people HAD to label every type of cur dog. That was the birth of the catahoula. The came the "blackmouth" cur registration. Before that the only label was color. A yella dog was a yellow cur, a black was a black cur dog, a spotted was a leopard cur. So you cannot define exactly where the catahoulas or the bmc's came from 100 years ago so the fl cuts are the same.

  exactly !  dogs were bred for work back in them days and most dogs were bred from whatever good working dogs were available . some family's after getting some good working dogs didn't have to go outside of their family or ranch to breed a dog BUT they started out as ol country dogs of many breeds that had to earn their cornmeal mush and scraps  .

Yep, they bred them for their way of life(cows and critters) and not for popularity contests or money.

Guess ill add my two cents in since im a florda resident with "fl curs".

Now no offense intended but, my dogs were simply yellow curs off an old cow line before i found this forum.  Once i started snooping on the net i found that people classified dogs.   We always did it by color, with the exception of spotted dogs, they were leopards.

I have my opinion on what i like a dog to look like and how i like them built but that doesnt mean my dogs are "real fl curs" and yours arent.  Now can you recreate what all the cowboys and ranchers of two hundred years ago did?   No, why? Cause all the men and women who created them died with the dogs original purpose.

It sounds to me that if dodgegirls dogs look like Florida curs and hunt like florida curs then the only thing keeping them from being Florida curs is the fact that her family kept good records and they know what's in em? Good lord now I've heard it all!! Don't let anyone talk down on ur dogs dodgegirl. If you like em, and they hunt the way you want then who cares what others on here think.

good post sir.

sounds like a good idea. id swap a pup out. I will call you in a little while

I say they are all Chit eating mutts that hunt or get culled the end man who cares about a florida curr dog darn curr dog is a curr dog just a old  mutt that would do what is needed of them that was raised in florida.

   good lord boy's and girls is it too cold for ya'll to go hunting ?  get off this thread and get in the woods !!

Amen!

i have tennessee curs , before that they were oklahoma curs , before that they were texas curs , before that they were probly florida curs  ;)

if you got enuff money i'll sell you any kinda cur you want  ;D ;D

I'm a believer in ask what you want for your own dogs and they're worth what someone will pay. But I certainly wish I was close enough to see the dogs work that produce $1000 pups.

I've never hunted behind one but I always heard Jim Fox produced some good dogs

I was thinkin the same thing. Thank for the post sir. They make me happy and hunt the way I like.

They work for me. If your ever able to get your hands on one give it a whirl. Especially if they have a little cow lick behind their front legs where their ribs start. Don't ask why, just a good tradition lol.

I seen where Dusty Brewster was selling some a few years back on Southern Airboat. They looked good

I had a red dog from Jimmy Fox and she did real good. I'd like to get another pup out of that line

I think the question has been asked on here before about BMC's..what breeds made them?  Dont ever remember a definite answer...I know I have wondered myself.

But now everyone is in a hissy, cuz someone can't come up with what made up the "Fl cur"?

Dont make a lot of sense

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