EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Gonna start this lil thread due to a huge amount of Pm's from folks asking questions.

Our crew was brainstorming awhile back due to frustrations on dealing with pits around the house.
Couple of us just decided to go back to doing what we did years ago and scrub the bulldog aspect and find some nail biting Yeller dogs to use as RCD and lead in. 

We put together a group of dogs from several different areas and have been exceptionally pleased.
Question being.......how many more folks are interested in this concept of taking it back a hair from the modern norm?

Would like some feedback on what your questions an interest if we decide to start up breeding a few of these dogs.

I will say up front...they do catch and lock...you do have to use a break stick...and they DO NOT HUNT worth a flip.
Only serve one purpose in my opinion.

This is not bash a bulldog thread so please refrain. 

Thanks.

I'd love to hear about how you came across these dogs and seeing some pictures too. I love out black mouths a d I've been looking for an rcd type dog. You say they don't though? They hang out by your feet and honor bays?

Well heck... I meant to add hunt in there. I was asking you to repeat that part about them not hunting. Tell me what that looks like in the woods. Thanks fit the thread! I've read your posts before and wondered what you had going on down there!

I don't like pits at the house, just don't trust em. Been looking for a straight catch yella dog

I WANT ONE!!!!  Or three but I'm not greedy, so I'll just take 2...  ;D

Just wondering what the difference between a bulldog catch dog or a non hunting yellow dog is? Either way if you have a truly gritty catch dog no matter the bred or color you gunna have dog fights and what not. Maybe it's for the color only you would want this idk? Jmo I wouldn't feed a dog that won't hunt out, find its own and catch it by itself or with one other dog.

Unless you enjoy bay dogs I personally wouldn't waste the time, money and effort breeding and raising a litter of cur dogs that don't hunt....

Not trying to bash your thoughts I just replied because you wanted opinions.

This is a few of what we currently have.

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Pup in the middle

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This picture is the day I picked this dog up. He has put on plenty more pounds since then and has filled out nicely. So dont think he still looks this skinny.  Lol

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Dog on left is another one we have.

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Dog on the left

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I would like to have a few that were like that.. ;D it don't get better than a ol yella dog

They sure are good looking dogs! I just don't have a pile of money laying around every month to foot a feed bill for a bunch of cur dogs that won't hunt.

If anything y'all will have a bunch of pretty dogs with ya in the woods

You are correct........ But most everyone feeds Bulldogs that only serve one purpose as well.

Not looking at these dogs for any other purpose but to replace the bulldog aspect for those that do not want to deal with them for various reasons.

Even another class of dogs we refer to as (Poacher style dogs)  short range and gritty as hell. Serve multiple functions but typically require more than one to catch a sure nuff hog.  We are not looking for the Yellers that get beat up and back up on this project.  Drop....lock...or die on the ear is my opinion of what we are shooting for.

Haha. Believe me....Perty dont get you far round here.  The creek is full of just perty dogs.
They will serve a specific purpose or will be culled along with the rest.

Just curious ....but what do you use for a catchdog or do you shoot?

Thanks for your input.

Yellowblackmask, please let me know when you have a litter, i'd like 2 males i'll send you $ whenever. I was just talking about finding a straight catch currdog last night for the same reasons you are looking into breeding them. With a little girl that LOVES our dogs I always have it in the back of my mind that as much as I like the bulldogs i've had they still have that notorious track record that I can't help but aknowledge esp. with my little one running around.

Evidently you have never had a good one then....Pitbulls who know what to catch and what not to that aren't aggressive in any kind of way do exist...

Can't stand the unpredictability and stupidness of a pit. Been looking for a yella catch dog and can't find one I trust 100%. I didn't comment on this post either to get into a "right bulldog" argument. I take a bulldog hunting and usually wont turn him loose because my curs will catch pretty much everything, but would much rather take another cur over any bulldog/pit. Would love a catching cur thats young enough to teach em to hunt horseback!!!

I don't own a bulldog or just a catch dog. We run gritty florida curs ( oops I forgot we weren't allowed to call them that anymore).... I run old school hog dogs that have been raised in Florida by generations of cow men that hunt out, find their own and catch their own. We can hunt one dog or two dogs at a time and produce pork. I have 4 grown cur dogs. Two that are completely silent and two that are a little open when one breaks. I can pair them up two dog teams and go catch hogs. They have a lot of bottom and are sure nuff ruff as a cob. Absolutely no need for a catch dog!

This is my liking of a dog and may not be for others but that is only why I gave my opinion.

And we don't take guns when we dog hunt, be lucky to even catch us with a knife. Just hobbles, flashlight and some cold beer with a buddy or two and we having a good time

Yellow I use to have a dog just like you are describing . I would love to have a another one !

i have two males that are built to catch an if i run them with certain dogs all they do is catch but if i run them alone they will strike their own pigs have several times.

I gotcha.  Those are like the poacher style dogs of East Texas. I to enjoy those style dogs especially on the smaller land track areas.  Problem we are attempting to remedy with this lil project is our long range dogs that step on out a couple miles cannot be cobb rough or they wont be around for a second season. Most use pits or crosses as lead in and has worked exceptionally well but some.....including myself want breed options for this type of dog....only one dimensional ....and dependable in and out of the field. I have cows, horses and kids and have never been comfortable in keeping certain breeds in the off season.

The way your hunting...I agree these probably would not benefit your style and would be more of a burden than help.  

I have one and i love him just wish i had a couple more just like him. He does hunt though sometimes a little to far out for me!
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So does anybody have a female that is sure enough straight catch?

Don't be fooled, these dogs will range a mile or two from us and we do nothing but walk hunting. So when they catch it takes us that long to get to them. I have a male dog that is 9 yeas old and has been hogg'n since he was a pup. He is a very ruff ruff dog and my others are pretty ruff too. Long range lot of bottom type dogs can be ruff as a cob and still live. Just a different bred I guess. I know of several dogs in my area of Florida that are old hog dogs and will still do it and get ruff on a rank boar.

The problem is... will the offspring catch also?

They are cur dogs...

That's a fact.  So far we only have one breeding to compare. We had about a 40% success with straight catch. But the gyp was not a straight catch.....just extremely rough. We are hoping to find a straight catch Yeller gyp to continue experimenting.

Finding being the issue.  They seem to be very elusive that hold everything we are wanting without having known crosses in the background.

Sorry man.....missed your question earlier.

Out of six separate males we have currently that are under this umbrella. There are two that will actually get out and hunt a little. Both of these will typically catch anything under bout 220 alone but have been backed up by a sure baddun. Together they will catch a grizzly.  I class these two as Rcd or Poacher style dogs.

The others are zero bark....straight in and hit. Haven't got these to back up at all yet. Down side is minimal hunt....as in they don't.  So we classify these as lead in dogs.

All honor a bay or they dont get a second chance to prove it.

Gotta understand......these are complete experimental dogs. Room for improvement ...harsh criticism ....and Skeptism is what we do everyday with them to see if they are worth keeping or continuing to fool with. Reaching out for more views and thoughts. We may even send a few out to the field for opinions when I think the combo is dependable and solid.

So far we are around two years into this project and we have been very happy. To the point the bulldogs that my partners keep are staying at the house regularly and are in danger of losing their job permanently.

Thanks for everyones thoughts.  Very welcomed and appreciated. Look at this a think tank post. Continue with thoughts or concerns.  Both help.

My only fear would be the "cur" attributes coming out at exactly the wrong time.

Full catch or not, cur dogs just aren't bred with the same grit that bulldogs are.  Interesting challenge you guys have taken on.  Especially due to the fact that what your looking for would by most accounts be considered straight culls.

Also interesting is the fact that someone earlier in the discussion would consider straight-up generations old cow bred dogs to be these kind of dogs.  Every single person I know of that works cows would be handing out dirt naps to dogs that continuously caught out.  To me, a cow-bred dog should be one of finess and working style...a get ahead and bunch them type dog.  Surely not one that uses his mouth very often.

Good luck, and I look forward to hearing about your progress.  Just as a sidenote, I keep American Bulldogs (although they're not yellow...and have no black mask) for all the reasons you don't keep pits.

No problem! I enjoyed your other convos too.

We run a nice line of baying BMCs, I have a pup gyp that is sure enough gritty, she's just started in the bay pen at around 8 mos and she bays well, hopefully she'll stay a bay dog. But if she doesn't then we'll have to put our heads together. Also I'd probably try out a pup from your catchy dogs if the timing was right, I like the idea of a straight catch cur. But I hate to have to walk through dogs ins the woods. So I don't love the no hunt aspect. We have a couple of good pits that aren't dog aggressive. The only dog we had that was dog aggressive was a straight catch cur our buddy sold us. Dang dog kept us on our toes until we got tired of it.

Sign me up for one if they are 100 percent trustworthy catchdogs, I'd love to do away with pits in my pack.

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Bryant, it has been mentioned several times on a couple of threads talking about Florida dogs. There is a difference in a dog out of these bloodlines working hogs vs cows. When these dogs hog hunt they know to catch and have no bay. When they cow hunt, they listen! They have a handle on them that is second to none. They know when there is a run off and we send them to catch it and anchor it until we bring it back in. There is a big misconception on Florida dogs just being catchy dogs. They are when they know they are suppose to be. When I say they are smart I truly mean they are smart as a whip. I have seen some of the older dogs work a set of cows with hogs right there in the day time and not once try a hog. I have seen the same dogs be loaded up at night to go hog hunting and run through a set of cows and go catch a hog. These dogs are catchy because they had to be to make a living. The old cow men day worked catching and penning true wild cattle day in and day out.

ybm i'm interested, i don't like to fool with a bulldog . also if you can get'em bred to catch a big bull by the nose on command and turn loose when i get a couple a rope on him i'll give you a premium hahaha j/k

Bulldog racist...... ;D

Myles,

can you chuck some water wings on one and point him in my direction please?   ;D

Gret great greeat thread.  What you describe as poacher type dogs awould be awesome here on wheat stubbe.

cheers

Troy

will just one of them catch a 300 pd. boar by itsself with no bark or back up? This is my concern but don't get me wrong always wanted a couple straight catch curs

Another good point..

To all accounts these have been considered culls for many years. Have even introduced several to the cullinator myself throughout the years.  Guess what has spurred this little experiment has been the ongoing changes in woods hogs.
We have attempted to evolve our bay dogs to stay compatible with the type of hogs and terrain we hunt.

The russians have spawned a multi dimensional animal that is faster, smarter and more aggressive than any of the older rooter hogs that were native years ago.  The most successful way we have witnessed in these heavy thickets of dealing with them....has been said before on here...(Immediately catch them...or run the air out of them).

We got the range and bottom. Now we are working on the immediate catch aspect.

Funny the cow dog aspect came up...due to one of these test dogs coming to us as a failed cow dog. Caught one to many bulls. (Haha).

We do and are continuing the concerns on being able to reproduce the traits. But hopefully that will come from slinging and ringing...

Ok Bryant...Yes I know I am....shhhhhhhh  ;D

Troy...dunno if I have that many stamps to stick on ones butt. :laugh:

Tom...yes we have a couple now that will catch solely on one that big..no bark and some that require two with almost no bark.  That being a true 300# with an attitude.   

Again to all.. dont get this confused with any type of hunting aspect in mind. Solely utilized as catch dogs.

Continued great points and ideas from all.  Thank ya gents

I have a female and would love to have another one or 2 male or female

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I think it could be bad to have a catch dog that had a little more brains than he should. A lot of currs has a lot of common sense and will get back if it starts getting to ruff but like a bulldog they really don't have enough reasoning to know it's a bad situation and let go or whatnot. That would be the only concern to me. I know a bulldog can take it just don't know about how many cur dogs can and I'm talking about in a average litter of pups. I have a half jag  half catahoula that is a little dog and he thinks he's a bulldog he's either going to be caught or laid down cut up he's as ruff and catchy as anything I have ever seen but when he starts getting wrecked he won't stay there like a bulldog would he don't have the same grit I don't guess that I would just think it would be hard to consistently breed them type of dogs up. Good luck to you

i think it could be done , it'll take a few generations but there are still bulldogs that get culled for not catchin solid .

but in my background i'm used to mostly curdogs that catch when i get there and i pick my opportunity at getting a leg .

when i'm catchin cattle i use a dog to keep him/her stopped or at least stay with it and bark till i can get there and get a rope on it .

if i was a straight hog hunter i would want a die hard bulldog that i could get along with .

   and no i'm not racist , i had a black bulldog 1 time , i culled him for being lazy and stealing  :D :D

Here are a few of mine
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Ike (one eyed because of it)
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Cricket
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My opinion is worth a fart in a whirlwind, so here goes.
Yellow-curdom doesn't need any more no hunting yellow curs in it, the peanut gallery keeps the world stocked with over gritty no hunting yeller dogs as is.

There are well behaved, trustworthy bulldogs who don't pull, don't whine, and can do anything you'll accomplish with this experiment (maybe better  ;) :laugh: ) already in existence.

For the life of me I don't understand what anyone would want with cur dogs of any color that don't hunt? Too many of those already.

that is a good question...but I think it is doable just might take a few generations...

Sounds like a good idea and a worthy experiment. I could see you sacrificing some jaw and combat durability. Cut em from the right distance and get there quick to solve that. Probably need to have a pair of em. We currently cut 2 bulldogs to most bays anyhow. I could also see you gaining a more athletic catch dog that will take a more intelligent approach to catching. By that I mean work in tandem with your bay dogs to get an open ear from behind and catch clean. Avoid the kamikaze frontal assaults we see alot of bulldogs take. Temperament would be important to me as well. This has become a major cull factor for our kennel. Bulldogs are born and bred warriors to a fault sometimes. Your idea should alleviate some of those concerns.
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All this being said, a GOOD bulldog with the right temperament is nice to have.     

What about mr. Months line for yalls female? I thought he had a line that did nothing but catch

You might also get better heat tolerance and have fewer heat stroke concerns for summer huntin with the yella catchin curs. 

X2!! I don't see the point, there are plenty of ruff dogs that will hunt out and find/catch their own to waste years of breeding to raise a strain a yellow curs that will not hunt. You may have to spend some money but if you deal with the right people and do your research you can get what you want but have some hunt to them also. You said you have 6 of these no hunting catch dogs?? That blows my mind. I couldn't afford to feed dogs that didn't hunt. I have 4 cur dogs and one litter I'm raising right now. With the 4 grown curs i have right now I catch 150+ hogs per year on a state contract I have. I hunt 33,000 acres by myself with one helper and we produce that much pork. Most of the time we run only 2 dogs at a time.

Not putting your thinking down by no means just putting it out there that you can catch hogs (rank ones too) with only a couple dogs and don't really need to have or breed dogs like that. It may just be what you want to do....idk jmo it would be a wast of time. I would consider saving the money you would invest in those litters and try to get you hands on a pup from a good line that do it all and then raise some litters out of that and cull the non hunting pot lickers!

This is my catch dog and YBM can vouch for him....
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This is the first big hog he got tested on. weighed 294 and he was caught solo. there were 4 rough dogs backed up baying when we got there..he took some pretty good cuts and never lost his grip..I've never had him bark at one off the snap...
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He's been on plenty since and i'll run in behind him any day of the week..He has a son following in his foot steps pretty good so far....

I don't think there is anything wrong with having two lines of dogs from the one breed.  Kelpies that work shhep in the yards as opposed to kelpies that work sheep in the paddock for example.  Both are good dogs.

Also a dogs ability to catch and hold big boars without getting hurt (and to release when told) is a trait we try and select for here.  Not many people here have a lot of time for pits for the reasons mentioned (there are some exceptions, but not many).  Me I like my dogs to have a higher IQ than the food they eat.

Ill vouch for ol gumbo,  pete, and crow have been at bays with them and have personally broke them off. Trust me these dogs lock and u are reaching for a break stick to break them! Had crow and gumbo on one thT went 260 rough boy with some dog killers and they were both locked on a ear! No back up or bark in these yella suicide dogs!

Gonna try and reply to T-Bob post. Cause I believe you have an excellent point that has and does weigh on our mind.

The over dilution of YBM into public circulation that have decreased hunting abilities.
First off I will say that I am a obsessive YBM fan.....and Critic as well. Only way to be fair to a worthwhile breeding program is be your own worst enemy. (Keeps yourself honest)

Only way I  can justify experimenting for a type dog that carries half traits that I consider having dead in consequences .....is to look at it in a completely different category than my baydogs.  Completely happy with them...not interested in tampering or crossing.

But the aspect we are considering would be the same as category as bull dogs.. Don't see very many folks attempting to improve their hunting abilities ...just improvement on their catching ability.   Same Same. Just gotta get away with automatic association of improvement on hunting and hone in on catching.

Now that being said......We still have the issue that your point drives home.

As long as we keep these type dogs internally....we maintain the control to cull, and strategically make breedings without jeopardizing our YBM that we hunt.

As soon as they go out to others......that control is completely gone and runs the high possibility of what I fear and dread most.......more dilution of the breed that has already suffered enough from marketing and low breeding standards and maintenance.

A quick but costly idea would be to only send out neutered or spayed dogs.  
This type of dog I actually would not mind sharing with others that are like minded since it truly isn't our line dogs but just a possible solution for those of us that want to step away from certain breeds and maintain a certain level of functional catching power.  

The area we live in is completely different from other parts of Texas and other States.
I do not and will not have my longer range strike dogs become rough.

Sorry boys.....but have buried to many talented strike dogs that made that mistake only once.
So far this combo in our area have really impressed us for the timefame we have been fooling with it.

But as all experiments .......Gotta weigh the ultimate outcome and clean out the bugs..

Thanks again for the ideas gents.

Good post YBM

Hahaha..  Figured you would have shut it down by now brotha....from all my anti-non Yeller slangism...Hehehe :laugh:

Yellowblackmask, Are the dogs you have related to each other? Do they come from dogs that are like them, or are they individuals that happened to be that way from lines that in general were not that way?

Bob.

Every dog we currently have on this project are unrelated except one father son combo that Ironheadknls21 has.

Most of their backgrounds are similar in gritty based Yeller dogs but we tried to pick the roughest that just didn't give a flip. 
That specific trait is what we are after to attempt to build and tweak into something a little cleaner, trustworthy and functional.

Thanks yellowblackmask.
Ironhead, what does that dog weigh?

If a BMC has the same grit as a bull dog. I'm interested.  I run a BMC that is gritty and will catch anything under 200, but I haven't seen him really tested by anything over that.  He winds doesn't track, but is at every bay.  Has been since about 7months.  We run several small tracts and most all our dogs must be gritty enough to stop a hog before they're out of the field and into the neighboring property.  To have a BMC straight catch amongst the strike dog would be ideal for my type of hunting.

Yellowblackmaask, Do you know of many of what you call poacher style dogs in east texas?
I had some many years ago, they they threw b&t and leps in the same litter. Got them from a man named Lewis Redd.

I wouldn't mine having a few in the near future. i dnt have a full pit on my yard all my catch dogs are half pit half cur but a ful cur would be nice to have

I still haven't heard of a cur dog killing anybody...not worried about myself. I have been around plenty of good pits I would sleep beside. Pretty sure 99% of the owners of pits that attacked kids never thought there dogs were aggressive. And I wouldn't trust one around my wife. But that's not what this thread is about.

Could that be Lewis Ross?

There are still plenty around here. But as everything else. They are typically in small pockets or held as individual dogs that are remnants from the old bloodlines that were prominent 30 plus years ago.  Lots of folks refer to these type dogs by other names...Poacher dogs are what I grew up knowing the description of their hunting style.

Hence......You could slip into small tracts of land and anything they found would be closeby and smoked where it was found.
You could have the hog caught..tied and drug out before the Game Warden showed.. ;D

Lol I am familiar with the concept.
No I have met Lewis Ross. I have an interest in this thread for several different reasons. I have been kicking around the idea of some cur in police/bite type dogs for a long time but don't think I have found the right ones. Also if I ever get back into hogdogs I think I would want short range wind/catch type dogs.

Bobdog, you might be talking about Lewis Redd from Redd Town/Pollok, havent talked to him in 3 or 4 years, ran into him while working some young dogs at my place one day. He was surveying a neighboring property and we talked for a while. He only lived a mile or 2 from me back then and I recall always see some bmc's at his place. I could probably track down some contact info if your intetested.

YBM, when I decided to type out a response I deleted it several times and that's what I settled on, but all the points you just made are exactly what I was gonna type, but thought it may come across rudely. Good deal man.

I would love to see the progression of this little project.  Dont think many have "bred" for it.  Just took a select few out of their rough stock, and used them as "catch dogs".  The only downfall I could see is, it might take 3-4 years (or more) to find out that a dog is a cull.  The right hog could bring the cur out in your catch dog.

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I think it is a great concept i used to hunt with a boy who had leapord dog like that man he was a goodun not to mention if we ever have to start having to carry insurance to keep these pits at our house like they say we will one day you will be ahead of the system

Interesting concept. Too bad that the "pits" are killers as well as "dumb" mentality surfaces in a pretty productive conversation....but this is the internet. It's true, most of the general public SHOULDN'T own a high drive bulldog anyway. They're not for everyone, but they sure don't deserve to be stereotyped as a whole as people eaters and untrustworthy and all that either. ANY dog (and I've done X-21's on MANY various breeds over the years of people biters) that's a man biter deserves a dirt nap period, but that's a whole different discussion.

I'm currently working on a concoction of what will be RCD's here. I can relate when a lot of people don't particularly get it, but they don't need to. If this is something you want to do, and you're willing to feed and keep 'em, then go for it I say. My reasons were to add speed and stopping ability though, no just to eliminate the use of a bulldog as a CD.

Bulldog types even before used in combat as most of us know, were used as catching dogs on various game. Known for an unbelievably high pain threshold/tolerance. When I have a bulldog in hold on a hog, I KNOW that sucker will take the most painful beating of his/her life, and will still NOT let go until the hog is dispatched. (That's why bull is still a part of what my personal final concoction will be.) Will a cur, even a real gritty catchy one, hang in there and take a helluva painful injury if need be until that hog is dispatched? That would be my one concern.

Anyhow, good luck in your endeavor YBM. It'd be cool if you posted updates from time to time for sure. It'll be interesting if you do manage to breed and consistently keep the catch in the curs.

I've got a straight catch YBMC female that I love. She'll get out and hunt for the first hour or so of the hunt but usually stays within 50yrds after that until she hears a bark. From what I've heard her litter mates are rough but not straight catch and are long range dogs. When I got her she was used as a lead in catch dog so I'm still getting her used to going out and hunting opposed to hanging around me. She's built like a leggy male. I'm in the process of trying to get another one out of a similar breeding. She's out of a male named Tracker off Bob Cox's yard and a female name Lucky off Rodney Spivey's yard I believe.

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True points with valid concerns again.

Can we breed a YBM to the same tolerance  degree as a generation bred game pit?

Dunno.......  I feel we can come dang close if not hit the mark at a satisfactory level. Hell we are already at a satisfactory level on first generation YBM that have not had any selective breeding accomplished.  

The only so called prototype second generation pup we have to form an opinion on is just now around a year old. He began extremely rough at a very young age 3 to 4 months and was attempting full catches on decent hogs shotly afterwards. By 9 months to a year he is full catch on 200 class hogs and has been knocked completely out once while hanging on. Unfortunately most of his littermates only reached a level of RCD. But the factors to consider with that was the dam. She was RCD not full catch.

I think as far as our timeline for judgment on pups....it will be much earlier than suspected.  By a year...if the pup has not formed a distinct full on catch pattern and had the metal tested a few times.....it will be categorized as RCD and either be utilized as such or culled....but will not be used in continued breeding for this.  

In any form......ie hunt,  bay or catch......a two year old or older dog should not be on the (Observation list)  
But I have my own deep set in ways on that late bloomer theory.  Hehe.. >:D

At the end of the day our goal is to attempt to create a YBM that can be utilized functionaly and pass genetically a solid reproduction to another generation of a stand alone catchdog. Either way a pair of these dogs will be able to shut down a freight train.  

ok I cant resist any more I have to put my 2 cents worth in I think this is the perfect idea and I have been working at this concept for 15 years but to also have hunt with no lead in catch /

my experiences if you have several very rough curr dogs you can accomplish this with out a catch dog at all its no secret I hunt foundation BMC I have many dogs that will catch first and ask questions later but still have a lot of hunt to them and I purposely hunt this way, the down fall to my hunts is that the dog will range out and catch and it makes it harder to find or send other dogs to it, there has been many instances where I knew I had a dog caught on a big hog and the hog is trying to walk off with a new earring hanging

also in my dogs I have learned to send a young dog along with the original stike dog due to being young they will bay a little catch a little allowing the other dogs to tune in and pin point they adapt well and have learned to pin point from a single bark or even a hog grunting

yes I still have a pitt and it goes on every hunt and yes most of the time I still turn it loose only 2 time this last year I turned the pitt loose to the dogs baying both hogs broke the 400lb mark and still the currs were trying to catch

I know the foundation BMC has put a bad taste in many people but there is still some good dogs that have been breed right in my opinion and yes well have all read the many slandering post are they expensive yes are all of them worth it no a lot of people jumped on the band wagon and has almost ruined it all for all of us

I am just saying there is dogs lines out there that has targeted this concept for many years one of the dogs I have based a lot of my breeding on is Wrights Yellow Jacket (son of Weatherfords Ben) which I owned for many years till he died on my yard and yes he was a straight lead in catch dog I used him to catch hogs for 3 years before I retired him and never once heard him bay or even think about barking I also know I could turn him loose and he would go find a hog no matter how long it took or how far he had to go if you unsnapped him the next time u seen him he was caught , so I have used this blood and made severl different experiments in my days to try and put a little more bark back in and still catch hogs and still keep the hunt and in my opinion I still have not perfected what I want

not trying to sturr up anything up this is JUST MY OPINION

Nah man not starting anything up at all. This is a complete open topic that all views are welcomed and considered.

We have bred for hunt, range and nose on all my YBM baydogs for years. Wanted to build on the old short range rough dogs that were common in the late 80's. Mainly due to the ever evolving hog. But already covered that point earlier so getting to my point........adding those specific traits was almost inevitable in decreasing gritt and brawn.

Kinda like trying to breed a cat to a dog.  Almost two seperate animals when you reach the extreme opposite ends of these traits. 

Along the way we accomplished a few rangey rough dogs but it quickly turned bad for us.....mainly due to terrain factors.
We started getting into the bay busters that had the nose and range but would try every hog that was brought to bay with the bite release mess.  Culled them all immediately.

Then we had several very talented dogs that were to gritty. In this thicket area we hunt....it would take us long amounts of time to get to the bay or get extra dogs to the bay.  One of any type of breed that finds and catches a surrnuff baddun by themselves or with other dogs attempting to help at two miles away over a river and twelve briar thickets a man literally has to get on his hand and knees to crawl into........typically wont last a season here. Along with accomplishing getting everything thing else killed as well.   Again this aspect just doesn't work in our terrain without devastating results.

This brings us back to the question at hand.  Just reverse everything that we are accustomed to in a YBM and breed backwards toward the other end of the spectrum. For it to work in the field....a combination of the two traits applied seperately has been a knock down...drag out winner winner chicken dinner.

Even though I stand on the other side of the fence from the Foundation bred dogs.......We are still playing on the same playground brotha ;).....Anyone that has done their part on attempted to add to or clean up the mess that has been left over from complete neglect and piss poor breeding standards ......has my respect and my ear anytime to cuss and discuss Yeller dog oligy.....Haha.

Another great point.

Now a twist...........Who owns a legit straight catch YBM gyp?  Let's see some pics and a lil background if you know it.  Seems these are the hardest to come across.  Not rough gritty..  Dont bark straight in hit gyp.

YBM, my comment about age wasn't due to giving the dog that much time to prove its self.  It might be that long before you find the right hog, and the dog might have a lil self preservation still back in the gene pool. 

Not saying this is a bad thing, but if wanting to breed these catch or die trying cur dogs...that could lengthen the process...which people breeding "good dogs" at a young age might be part of the reason we all talk about the dogs of yesteryear...that's a whole other thread ;-)

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I currently don't have a female to fit this exactly but I believe I can make it happen I do have a male this way for most part his name is hawk and I have a female that is close she is very catchy but have seen her bay at times when she shouldn't if I was wanting straight catch of course ( I think I can bred her back to hawk and archive this ) she has a litter on the ground now so it will take awhile but I will see what happens next time she comes in I will keep it posted

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this is the gype I will have to get one of Hawk

Can we breed a YBM to the same tolerance  degree as a generation bred game pit?

Am proably gonna get pissed on, beat up called a cull, a yellow hater and everything else on here here which is far far from the truth but I can tell you.

That aint gonna happen in less than a hundred years are more of breeding even if it happens then which I highly doubt.  Unless you have seen one of these great great specimen of dogs in action and I mean real time fast lane best of the best in the world you have no ideal what you are talking about when it comes to a truly game bred dog from hundreds of years of breeding.  I don't mean to piss nobody off are even step on any toes here.  I may not know a ton about breeding these hunting dogs but I can hold my on weight when it comes to breed APBT with plenty proof .  There will never ever be another breed of dog that come anywere close to what the true game bred  APBT can take as far as dishing it out and taking it, atleast not in our life times  .  I don't know of any other breed that is more willing to die at their jobs other than our fine fallen military men and women of this country and a hand full of real heros in this world.

You cannot hold a intellgance confersation about what you have not lived are seen are had an real experience with "APBT"

Dumb , stupid , ignorant words use to describe a real true game bred APBT on here could not be futherest from the truth.  Now some of these mutts people are calling true game bred APBT these days yes those words just might fit to a T.

I wish you luck but without using a true game bred APBT in your breeding system its highly highly likely .

I wish you luck but without using a true game bred APBT in your breeding system its is highly unlikely .

What I just said does not mean that you do not have great dogs now and are breeding even greater dogs for their purpose, didn't mean to take anything away from your breeding program hope its not taken that way because I think its great what you are trying to do  .  Its just means in my opinion nobody will ever be able to replicate the pain tolerance, the hold and bite of the true game bred APBT at least not without another 100/150 years of breeding.

Till Death Do We Part.

Now we're cooking with peanut oil!

My sentiments exactly.

Probably right on the money.  Same scenario as trying to breed a YBM to herd sheep same quality as a generation bred border collie.  Might not win a blue ribbon with it.

But.......a comparable product that produces a satisfactory result.......Won't be a bad second.  ^-^

My worst case scenario visualized......would be to produce dogs that are same quality of what we started with. Which are doing almost everything we ask...except to reproduce the same traits continually and tighten up on locking power.

giver hell ybm , an old time hog hunter and bmc man told me his best catch dog ever was a bad to the bone hold till death straight yeller dog .

             they won't suit everbody ... but then again bulldogs don't either .

I think a sure enough straight catch cur would be ideal. I hunt out of a boat a lot. Hunting the river and marshes you really have to look for a bull dog with real running gear to handle the mud and bluff banks. And even then he won't handle it like a cur. Let me know if you want to field test one in the mud. Lol.

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I just got finished reading all of this wooo weee long.  You know Yellowblackmask it might can be done the part of straight catch but it is gonna take some years of breeding and breeding and culling hard hard.  The problem I see with it is like Mike said eairler .

The problem is... will the offspring catch also?

They are cur dogs.

If this is what you are breeding for straight catch then I would imagine it is going to be just like breeding pit bulls. Pit bulls were bred for gameness first and foremost and when you got that lined out you added the other skills from other lines of Pit Bulls you desired just like breeding these hog dogs.  But with what you are talking about you just want straight catch type Yellow Dogs so you would be concentraiting on nothing but Catch just like Gameness on a Pit Bull your main trait.  If it don't straight catch cull it and keep breeding the ones that do cull liters after liters and just maybe you can lock that trait in to were you get high perectage of noting but straight Yellow Catch Dogs.  I bet it could be done might take a good  while.  I think were you might run into trouble is the tolerance like you were talking about how much of a beating can these dogs take before they turn loose if you ask me that is another type of gameness and you are looking for it in those Yellows.  The other part of the deal is I think It would be a lot like the Bulldog game and breeding in other words you are going to have some that are going to make it and some that do not .  I don't think you could ever get it to were you have liter after liter of noting but catch Yellows.  

Then you got to worry about crosses after you get this family of straight catch yellows bred so tight you cant go anymore ,  ever think about that .  Its a big challenge big challenge and a rocky road but it can be done but as I said it would be a long long long time before they ever have any of the tolerance the ole fashion game bred dogs did . If you could just get a 1/4 of it you will be in big business..... It just takes time.

Haha.  That's the only thing I can be rest assured of brotha.

Haven't ever been able to find that top secret recipe to produce those no cull litters that are so widely available around water sources.    :o

Just an old East Texas boy with a intolerable curiosity.   Lol

It's a given that you will never get the exact same bite force and hold as you would in a bulldog and one could argue that a cur would be more likely to release on a bad boar that's putting it to them  but that doesn't make a solid catch cur an automatic second pick. Say one has a straight catch yellow dog and a pit- both in top tier shape and in their prime. You jump a large sounder and get a bay-after-bay situation, which dog lasts longer and rolls to the next pig quicker? I know there's plenty of bulldogs that can be broken off on command and on to the next one. These are often owned by people who had to put a lot of hours into making that dog become automatic in this routine. If I'm looking at an 8 week old cur pup and an 8 week old pit and know that both will Most Likely catch hogs, I'm maybe not thinking about that "hold till death" moment when I might want a pit. I'm thinking how much less hassle it'll be having another cur than getting a pit bull.  Just my thought.

that is a good point...but if the hog breaks bay and the yellow catch dog goes a mile or 2 to catch and if he truly is a dog that throws caution to the wind there will be 2 things that can shorten his career...heat exhaustion from being caught too long or getting cut down...any second can be fatal and it could be an hour or 2 before someone can get to the dog...

Another point I have to reset my brain to. 

For strait catch lead in YBM we do not want one to roll out with baydogs if the hog breaks. Very short distance and return.

For RCD roll out to a manageable distance and drop out of race.

For Baydogs.......stick till it stops or stopped. 

All of these scenario's are for the ultimate safety of our strikedogs.

Have to compare every aspect with the catchers as to a lead in bulldog.

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Hey remembering this fella talkin' about having the type dog ya'll are breeding. Do you know him?

Hahaha. ..............Touche !  Rueben  :laugh:


Bob... Sorry dont know the man in person.  I remember speaking to him on this board several times two or three years ago.

I hope I don't offend any of you YBM guys, cause I really like them myself, but the question I have is........Why....... I know I read cause you don't want a "pit" but if that is the case use an American bulldog, if you don't like them use a dogo, if you don't like them and want something that can hunt too use a Florida Cur. Just my thoughts are why try and reinvent the wheel. There are already plenty of dogs out there that will catch, that you don't have to try to breed something to do something it is not suppose to be. Why breed and cull all those dogs when you have dogs that will already do it, and do it well. Thats just an opinion though.

As for the comments on a bulldogs "dumbness" or whatever was said, I agree with what Mrs.La said in most people should not own a bulldog wish more people thought that way.   ;D

But I wish you the best on your endeavor.

I'm not a big fan of bulldogs either even though I currently have one residing here. I like the idea of having nothing but yella on my yard too  ;D  Good luck with your project and keep us updated please

I guess the answer that suits my situation is........comfort zones.

Don't know much...but I know my way around a Yeller dog. Been part of my life to long and have always made me happy when the appropriate amount of time, energy has been applied.

OCD is another horrible lil creature that lives inside me. His friend ADD also drops by for occasional chats. (Probably the main reason)

But in a redneck analogy .....If ya buy a 4 x 4....ya need mud tires...if ya got mud tires....why not get it dirty......and if your buying it new.....why not get the color you like since it dont cost any extra...

A full yard of Straight Yeller dogs that cover all aspects of the game without having to have that one lil ugly spotted turd on a chain...Is heaven itself in my eyes.  ;D

For the past two years.......been waking up singing the hymns!    :angel:

No one can really argue with that. A man doing what he wants. Because. Lol.

Here is a better picture of the only cross we have currently that is straight catching.  Ironheadknls21 yard.

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Holy smokes that's a good looking catch dog, alright fine, sign me up!  :D

I heard that T-bob, I don't believe you could draw a better lookin dog than that one, conformation/build wise that is dang near perfect in this rednecks eyes, and the color don't hurt either!  ;D ;D

X3!  I'll jump on the bandwagon...

Indian Valley, Thats the guy. I have been told he bred himself into a corner with them dogs and they developed some genetic problems so he shut it down. The dogs he has now are not related.
They were poacher style as ybm put it. Two dogs on the ground and you were gonna catch.
I would like his contact info just the same.
Thanks

I'd be interested. The the breeding, work drive, and temperament pretty consistent in all the pups and next generations?

Not a problem BOBDOG, I will make a few phone calls n shoot u a pm if I have any luck.

I have a litter of pups right now that in theory should be straight catch both parents are straight catch never barked at hog after they were three months old if my plan works I'm going to be giving the pups away to start with for people to try should work good as a short range catch dog or rcd both parents run with my main dogs as rcd but stay with me until told to go I'll post pics when I get home

Let's see em.

My DieselDog is BMC straight catch that is silent. I have to walk him in , I have on occasion cut him loose to strike hogs, Best of both worlds in a 65 pound package. Love those straight catch BMC

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Nice lil dog Chance.

What is the background with story on him?

I have a line of bmc that will catch no bark and hunt out 200/400 yrds.these dog are used mostly for sending to a bay or race to shut them down.

Someone lost him ..... Got him from a friend when he was 6 weeks old, my friend found him in a box on the side of the road while driving. Only thing they could figure out is his box fell off a truck going down the road. It was by chance Diesel stuck his head up out of the cardboard box  and was seen by my friend, and didn't get ran over by passing traffic. He called me cause I had another puppy and asked if I would take him. He is going to be three this September. From day one he was all catch, we have to break him off. He is jus an old Yella dog don't know his direct breeding, and really don't care.  He works for us and has thrown some nice looking BMC pups that are all hunting this season.

Looking at that blocky head he's got, there likely could be a touch of bulldog in there somewhere. Nice looking dog.

PLEASE!!! Don't just cull ( kill ) your culls . The drive and hunt in the dogs should be out of this world . Even if we have to spay or neuter them to get them.

If its these prototype dogs your speaking of......their will be minimal hunt in anything. Breeding for catch trait only.
Sorry but if a cull is deemed around here it will not even be considered to close friends. Not gonna be responsible for disbursement of trash ...especially my own.

If it gets to the point we can isolate and tighten up on this project to our satisfaction .....I will probably just send out a few as pups to various individuals I believe will use...and grade Harshly. Only way we can receive accurate feedback for improvement. 

I have decided to mark each pup independently that will be identifiable only to us.  That should cut down on the passing of unworthy dogs to others represented as being from this lil project. Just contact us with the markings and it should be easy enough to confirm.

If it gets to the point of us selling a few. The neutering or spaying will be included in the over all price. Perty sure we can do all that and still come out way under a papered dog price. Lol

This is something I disagree with wholeheartedly...a cull is a cull and if it ain't good enough for me then it's sure not good enough for anyone else.

It may be plenty good enough for somebody else but that don't matter. The same reason it's bad practice for a company to give out vendor pricing lists and sales leads to their competitors is why it doesn't make sence to a dog man to pass around culls. If your a hunter, them sure buy sell and trade, no harm no foul. But for a dog man, it's not that easy. You are creating a beast of burden for your own use (if you find trustworthy amigos to aid in goals then so be it, but the beast of burden is the goal,  not friendships) When you find maggots in the trash you take out the garbage, not just dig thru the garbage and pick out the maggots.

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Personally I wouldn't trust just currs for a cd, had a buddy that had a straight catch curr but called me one night and when I answered she was baying her butt off in the background and I took my cd and got em caught, (story and pics on here from way back when) now granted that was the only time that happened, it still happened. Had many experiences like that, only that once with that certain dog but others though that had cur cds... Not knocking anyone just personal preference and experiences I love my pit by my side

X2 I have one and you can talk to him like a person. He literally knows what me or the guys I hunt with say to him. Cherry on top is that he has found 5+ hogs on his own while we were walk hunting. After his first season of getting cut up he learned to catch and get as low as he can. Knock on wood, he hasn't been cut in over a year and a half. I even use him to show pups to range out for the first time cuz they get so attached to him. Will range out 400+ in soso signs. He might be one of a kind because I haven't seen another like him but they do exist.

As far as straight catch Yellas. I hve one now that looks like he might b a RCD. Haven't heard him bark but once, but he is running with rough dogs that with help will try any hog if they all get together. Every hunt he ranges out a little more and learns. Hoping by summer he has caught on and started finding his own hog. He's running with a good crowd so he's gunna have to pick up his game if he wants to find one before them.

I picked up this straight catch yeller today to add to my pack from a close friend. I have hunted with this dog many times and he is the real deal. I'm excited to have him as part of the spotted dog pack. Lol

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Interesting Yeller dog.

Built like a running type Cur.  What's his background if you know it?
Nicely put together

When I read the 1st post this is what came to mind. Just to expand on this, guys with Abs you have to know how they are bred. With them it matters. That's why so many people have been disappointed. You cannot just get anything from anywhere.

I read a quote from a famous dogman once in his description of the purpose/job of a pitbull. Pitbulls were bred to win!! Whatever the job given whatever the tasks at hand whatever the owner requires the pit delivers. The dogs of today r the product of what man has asked of them. Better trainers produce better dogs.

Only trait I cannot get out of the Pit line.....is trust in the off season.

Trust is there, always has been people have bred away from stable dogs.

Patiently waiting on a leftover make Mr Myles! Lol, maybe we can work out a pup for pup straight up trade, one from my blood for one from yours.

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Ahhh heck man.....if these rough dogs make into something worthwhile on catchers...probably give ya one to try out.

If your waiting on a cull from my hunting mutts......they all get homed out to same place. >:D

i dont want one of your culls, i want you to hook a brotha up with a humdinger!  ;)  i am still working on ol Coal man, but that wild injun is as stingy with a yella dog as you are!

(and in my book, thats exactly why yall got something worth keepin  ;)  )

Lol, sounds like yours go to the same early retirement home mine do!

I know people who only use cur dogs.

Need to corner Cole up on that last line bred cross he came down and did.  Them lil buggers are gettin it. Gotta talk sweet to him...kinda like a women.. :laugh:

I don't know his background he's just an old East Texas yeller cur dog!

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Jeremy who did that dog come from?

Art Lunsford

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He was originally bought from South Texas by Kurt hollyfield

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Btt

fine looking dog for sure...

Unfortuanally reuben he is now gone.  I was lucky to get to hunt with one of this dogs sons and was a heck of a dog not straight catch but sure added to my pack while I had him.  Only bayed one hog on me and it was probally the tallest and longest hog I have ever been on.  I have 3 pups out if him and my catch bmc gyp will see they seem to be the smartest pups I have had in my yard yet

number 2 I would love to have a catching cur dog and if he didn't catch at least tear the cods off one to get em stopped and hold his ass there.


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Not sure if I have ended up with a natural catch YBM gyp or not. Picked her up about a month ago, let her stay in the back yard for a week or two to learn some manners from momma's dog (1/2 Dogo, 1/2 Lacy) and get some socialization, this pup is 8 months old. I've included her in my liver drags with my 3 month old black/tan x bmc pups. She did alright the second and third time, but acted like she was bored. So today I put ole spot (shoat) in his protection cage and turned 1 pup and yeller gyp loose. no interest til I unleashed ole Sam that I bought from Doug Mason, and my 1/2 Dogo x 1/2 bmc TIG and they went to work baying up a storm. The pups came back and got in on the bay and was really getting into it. I tied Tig up (catch dog) up so he wouldn't catch and kill when i release ole spot.As soon as I did the race was on. Sam got to him first and bayed spot up at about 100 yds,the YBMC gyp stayed with spot like glue, baying tight also, then all of a sudden she caught an ear and locked down. Yal know how things  can get fast in a hurry, When Sam saw that  she was catching he decided to help, so he started catching on the other side. So I grabbed sam and tied him to a mesquite and went back to the scrap. Everytime I would just about get the pig tied, yeller gyp would come in for another bite. By this time I was wore out and let the pig loose hoping the gyp would just lay down with an ear and wear the shoat down, not a chance! They both took off running side by side with ear in mouth. I followed them for a couple hundred yards then lost sight, ( ima thinkin this wouldve been a good time for a tracking system!) I get back to the other dogs and get them back to the kennels and on water. Meanwhile my wife is running the roads surrounding our place, bout a 6 mile block, and I head back a foot in the general direction I last saw them, go about another mile and back. My wife calls and said she found them a mile further west than where I had just walked on the side of the road. yella gyp still had an ear in her mouth, shoat was wore slap out, and gyp acted like it was a walk in the park! Seems like this little gal has a surprise for me everytime I take her out for some basic track/find/bay training. I have to admit that this was my first rodeo on a deal like this. She showed me that shes got plenty of grit, and doesn't have any quit in her and she'll dang sure catch and lock down. Just hope when the time comes where she has to find her own pig instead of picking on ole spot, she'll be just as aggressive but will bay a little looser and bark so I can find her. and if she does catch, she learn to set back instead of running along side of the pork!

Well since this thread popped back up I guess I can give an update.

Out of all the dogs we were trying ......a couple didn't make the cut and several more did very well.

Unfortunately most of those had a rough year in the thicket and we lost several on bad hogs.

Still have some youngsters that we are playing with that seem to have got the trait...but only time will tell.   >:D

Very good thread. Any update?

There is a good and bad side to running any type dog. It just all depends on the hunters style and preference. When I started hunting it was either on foot or off a horse and we put 4-7 dogs on the ground at the same time... Most of the dogs being able to catch by themselves and mostly short-medium range.  Problem being multiple catching/ bayings  and dogs gettin injured too often. I tried lose baying dogs and for me that never really worked to well. Now I run rougher curs that will catch on most hogs but have enough sense to back down off a sho nuff hog and wait for the catch dog.  Right now I do have 2 yella males that'd I'd consider your poacher type dogs you were talking about. And  they will try to catch before you ever hear a bark. One does hunt between 200-500 yards and the other would rather just make sure no hogs sneak up and chew your feet off... He might hunt 200 yards out on a really good day but he ain't gone long but he is probably the main one id consider an RCD.  Dogs like that can make for a quick hunt that's for sure and you don't gotta lead nothin round the woods which in my opinion is a plus. 


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My yellers are rough  an catch.love them

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I have never fully trusted a cut dog when it caught unless all of them caught. I have always sent my bull dog. Now I don't have little ones nor do I think of of my bull dogs would harm anything but a hog, how ever I do understand the concern. I prefer game dogs just because of the heart which I'm not totally confident you could get with a yella dog. Yellowblackmask I know you've been raising yella dogs for a long time. And I've only been in the business 6 or 7 years. I know these cur dogs will take a beating and stay in ones face but will they take a gutting and stay on ones ear?

In my life time I have had 3 straight catch cur dogs and trusted all of them fully, 2 were catahoula and 1 yellow black mouth. In 37 years their the only 3 tho, after they faded away I had to go to bull dogs, but would love to have another straight catch cur.

I had tried to go with some cur dog crosses for some RCD, and let me say that there are some out there that will die on the hog  BUT,,, they are the exception to the rule when it comes to pain tolerance and sense.   Just last yr  ,, I had to deal with this issue on a big barr we had caught.. Thankfully I had brought another c/d and one of my strike dogs would lock down with him or we would've been in a bind.  One c/d locked down on a 325 pd hog aint much help if u know what I mean.  Heart and sense is a trait you will find in some breeds not ALL breeds,, so it don't matter if a man decides to run game bred pits to dogos,,, the art of culling needs to be practiced more..

The male I have from Myles is straight catch and will catch and hold like a champ. Still haven't heard him bay a hog. He has caught on solo hints where I just took him and caught by himself with other dogs in the woods too. Tried to upload a pic but it's too large smh

Not trying to change the subject but how old is he now Jared and how is he doing, call or pm.

The ones that made the cut for us were just as dependable as a bull dog. We had one that caught and was knocked unconcious that was still locked. Unfortunately the main ones we selected and bred met the fate of a rough cur dog and we not able to keep enough to continue reproducing a line of continuous straight catch.

My cousin Irondog87 got a puppy off my old bloodline that typically are long range cold nosed stand back type dogs....So far he cannot make him do anything but catch out. Littermates to his are all rough but nothing like that.  Genetics are a crap shoot. But to answer the original question I posted. YES you can produce a straight catching Yeller dog that is just as dependable as a bull dog. We did it.....no questions about it.  Continuing a line of them? ?  Has proven to be a Hell of a chore due to their life expectancy.   

Shame none of them dogs will hunt, even close range. Good lookin dogs. Wouldn't mine having one that would hunt a little and catch and come off on command. Controlled catch in a cur dog is a priceless tool.

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160714/307216f1673508cd841c3527233389fa.jpg)  bred my lolla dog to a rough catchy sob of a cow dog and this is what was produced. I am keeping 5.

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Some fine looking pups

i just don't see anything catch like a real game dog bulldog ..... I  like crosses myself  or a good catching CUR ...but a real game  bulldog well there just in another class ....had one that the kids getting ready to go to school one  morning come told me daddy that bulldog is loose and looks like his  been fight'n something ...well sure nuff he had killed one dog and my kids horse ..had a white pit gyp one time hog knocked me down and cut her wind pipe out hanging down and she still caught on it  and died ...I've had several with there jaws broke hanging out .....now  show me a curdog like that  ......   damn how can you compare a cur to that .... some of my dogs come bad ruff now  and then but I think  that's in any line ....

Man I would love to have a litter of pups that looked that good!

Nice pups fella


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Real nice pups...some of those pups have that intense look about them...nice...

I have pits for my catch dogs but we don't lead in at all if they can't keep up with our strike dogs we don't keep them.
The truth is more then a couple time on our hunt our pits have found there own pigs and caught. We have 4 pits on our place and we try to get a breeding out of them but had no luck and there are pure.they don't trash on anything  we had young pups trash on cows and the pits just go around them and keep hunting . But we hunt with a old man down here and all he has is black mouth curs and they are big dogs and all catch he runs about 7 or 8 curs on the ground and does dam good on his hunt they lock and it's just like a pit catching he has dam good curs I just can't afford them high dollar curs lol.
KEEP THEM DOGS RUNNING AND SAFE HUNTING GUYS

if I would run 7 or 8 of my dogs  one the ground believe  me  it would be  eat  or  get eat ....... if you want to see how  ruff a  dog  is just put him out by himself ....

Thats a fact Mrm parker. 7 or 8 on ghe ground like the ines i hunt would be pointless, the hog would be 1/2 eaten by the time i got to him

any more then 3 cur dogs on ground to me is rediculous,rough or not.

dont believe any cur dog can hold on and take a beating and stay hooked up like a bulldog.do you mean an english bulldog? ha ha

Most any dog we'll be rough and catch if there is 7 or 8 dogs lol. I wouldn't put down any ones style you can do it how ever you like but like was said if you want to find out how rough a dog is run it solo you will find out pretty fast


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Yes sir I agree with you 100% a guy we know hunt one dogo and that's it and that's the only dog on his place and catches big hogs my brother and I hunt together and run no more the 4 dogs at a time 2 strike and 2 pitbulls we have 11 dogs and they all hunt but we take different set of dogs every time I reckon my 67 year old friend runs his 7 or 8 dogs at a time is because he hunt 9 out of 10 times by him self I guess he want to make dam sure there caught when he gets there when he call us we head out to his place he just don't want to give it up just yet so to me If wants to run 100 dogs at one time he can

first  time I went to south texas  to hunt I went to a good friend of mines place ..... we  loaded up horses and went to  a place in kennedy texas .....we got there to his  friends house he had probably 15  or so dogs tied all out in some live oaks ...well he opened  his  shed  took a box out full of tracking collars I thought dang whats  he  gonna do with all them collars  hahahahaha  well he  put em on  perty much all them dogs  he had hahahaha e left there on horse  back looked like a fox hunt ........we  only got on one 200 pound boarhog in a river  and  he  cut about 9 dogs they sewed  dogs for over  an hour  .....but  I know why he hunted  like he did ....he hunts to exterminate  hogs ... lots of times  its  over kill  but at times  he has  4  or  5  hogs  caught or bayed at the same  time ..... he just ride  up on his  mule  get his  30 =30 and kill em ..... a lot of  them boys  learned  that style  from james  lands ....they say he  run 20  or more  dogs on the ground and  may kill 15  or  so hogs  dogs bayed  everywhere .... the numbers  of dogs  on the ground  is  for multiple catches or bays at a time .....I do it my self if I hunt rice  fields  i'll bring several dogs if  a group is bayed  I send the box  usually catch 4  or  5  perty quick ......  but for the catch all of my friends that hunt grain send catch dogs  to the strike dogs ....

I WANT ONE! Please contact me Brandon Whitehurst .. Find me on Facebook and message me or call me (863)899-9596 or text me or email Big1244@yahoo.com whatever way you like to use to get ahold of someone there ya go I have them all. I'm in Florida but I will come get one if I can talk to you and i think their gunna be the type of dog I need!