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Who uses RCD vs a not catchy tight gritty dog and how are they bred

Huh?  ???

Getting your butt burned more than a few times I have come to a conclusion in the last couple of years .

I have had and still do have both kinds.  If I have a bad bad hog I cant get stopped  with the gritty dogs that try to stop him , hold him and bay him then I will put them up and use the RCD types the next time around.

I have come to the conclusion it makes really no difference to me am gonna use the dogs that work both ways RCD and Stop and Bay'em.   Anything that cannot handle the pressure is down the road, dog food is to high and I set a limit on this yard of 10-12 dogs one comes up better the next in line gotta go.

I like ruff RCD's but I also like the kind that will bay and hold a hog and turn the bulldog loose but to tell you the truth I enjoy shooting over my dogs.  I would rather do that more than anything but if he wont stop and bay and I cant get a bulldog are a bullet to him then we are going the other direction RCD's.

Am still adding to this yard in both directions and if you don't work you are gone.

Ridgeback pit cross is my RCD I also have a redbone cur gyp that don't mind putting teeth in one.


Shotgun
Arkansas

This is just what I have to say.... And I mean no harm or dis respect to anyone. I like a dog that will stand back and bay 10 ft and not think about putting their teeth on one and then run the wheels out from under a hog if it tried to break. BUT a RCD would also work for runners. Just catch and stay caught. Not gritty. Only problem I've seen while hunting with running catch dogs is if they get shook off and the hog burns out, then you hav a race with a dog that's going to catch a hog a long ways away and you gotta get there ASAP to get him caught or have a high chance of your dog getting killed. Hitting the ass end on one to spin it then stand back and bay also works good. I believe (and I may be wrong just a dumb kid, just what I think) that if a dog will put his teeth or any kinda pressure on a hog that's STANDING STILL will do nothing but make it run. Now I know there will be someone that will disagree with me and I dont want to argue because I'm just posting what I hav discovered for myself. I've walked in and turned my bulldog loose on a good number of hogs that were literally laying down in they're bed or a wallow. Granted if you hav small places that are easy to get off of, then I would prefer a short ranged pack or RCD's that will catch a hog after a few locater barks or catch as soon as they get there.

To me a running catch dog is a dog that will hunt out find his own pig and catch it 
A gritty non catch dog to me is on that will stop a runner and bay tight enough to hold the pig but not bust the bay

That is what my ridge is. Find his own and catch it. I run other dogs with him that will also find and put teeth in one to stop it. When he catches the rest pile on. I have only recently got a bulldog for a walk in. He has been my main strike, trail, and cd at one point.

To me if u run a RCD u need all dogs on ground with it willing to help hold the hog. When it takes a bit to get to them. 3 or 4 dogs on his head is harder to shake than on.


Shotgun
Arkansas

Shotgun where are you located

Non gritty works and so does RCD'S . I like semi rough dogs, dogs that will catch with a bulldog! I like a dog smart enough to hold the hog bayed.  but not afraid to put some teeth in the runners  arse.


Sonny

Just a question. What do y'all mean by "hold one" "tight enough to hold one" I've always understood that "holding one" was if there was pork in a dogs mouth and the dog wasnt letting go. This makes no sense to me is why I'm asking. Why do you expect a dog that's baying in In ones face putting pressure on it to hold one???

Kid - if you wanna get technical I didn't mean "hold" it literally. There is several definitions, i meant " keeping the hog in one spot" BAYED.
I though when a dog had teeth on a hog and wasn't letting go it was a "caught hog" !


Sonny

When I say hold I mean hold. Teeth on. I run 4 dogs on the ground. When I get there I expect to see 3 with a mouth full and one barking. The one barking will help if the hog tries to move. He is usually on the back end. I am in southeast AR. I just got a bunch of armadillo dogs that trash on hogs time to time.


Shotgun
Arkansas

Trust me I'm about an non-technical as you can get.

I ain't schooled on all the terms my self I run hog dogs that stop hogs or get the crap kicked out of em if we miss one then we get beat then we just get beat.                                                                                            Hey shot gun I am with ya on your style that's pretty dang close to how I run em once teeth put on they had better get to chewing

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I ain't schooled on all the terms my self I run hog dogs that stop hogs or get the crap kicked out of em if we miss one then we get beat then we just get beat.                                                                                            Hey shot gun I am with ya on your style that's pretty dang close to how I run em once teeth put on they had better get to chewing
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I agree with y'all 100% if something puts they're teeth on the hog then they need to hav a mouthful. Just not the way I hunt. I like going with my buddy's that hav rough dogs.... Watching them worthless mutts of mine chase them around until they are to tired gets old ;)

There is a in the middle spot that's what I been after enough bottom to stay hooked enough speed to get in front not chase and the gritt to make them pay. It don't always work but its getting darn close if a pig out runs us then he was better than us that day but guess what then he goes on my most wanted list lol

My issue is on  my smaller land tracts catching the hogs before they bail

No matter what kind of dog you run, RCD or loose baying, you will never catch them all. RCD's are great but if the hog gets a jump in thick cover, he will never get his mouth on a hog. Same with a loose baying dog, if it breaks it is gone & that is where you need speed & bottom  Most of my dogs are on the catchy side but I try to pair them up where they will bay a big hog & I can turn a catchdog loose to catch the hog but all to often, especially if I have friends along, we will have 3 or 4 dogs out & they will catch anything. Everybody knows there is that fine line, that when a dog first locates a hog, the hog can break as soon as the dog finds it or it will bay. If catch dogs cant get a mouth flu it is off to the races & the same with loose baying dogs.
  Even with speed & bottom, you will never catch them all. So until we breed up the perfect dog, we will still have runners that will get away.jmo

Cajun.     That was worded pretty dang good that's about my thinking to on that. Just a ? To ya we usely get them stop very fast only few hundred yards if they break and with the ones that run they been averaging about 2 1/2 miles till we stop em  and that is a long ways in creek bottoms that we hunt what is your experience been with runners

x2...exactly my feelings and experiences...

I very seldom bayed sounders because my dogs were too gritty and would bust that up...this time of year in the right terrain and it was not that hard to catch hogs...once late April rolled around and the weeds were back up and it was not that easy again...dogs can't compete with a hog in the thick brush/weeds...also have to take into consideration that the high humidity and higher temperatures the dogs tend to over heat and will get out ran lots of times...now if I ran my dogs 3 times a week that wouldn't be as bad a problem...breed the perfect dog for one terrain and he won't be so perfect for another area...

Judge, It is basically just what Reuben replied . It does depend on the time of the year & terrain. To give a example last weekend we hunted a place where earlier in the year it is very thick. Now that the vegetaion has died off we got on two different runners. Ran one for 3 hours & caught it & ran the other for 2 hours & caught it also. This is a place with really good russian hogs & it gets a lot of pressure put on it. This time of the year we are hunting the survivors & they know how to run. But with the vegetation dying off, the dogs can open up & run too.

I gotcha the places I hunt winter or summer make little difference on being thick it is yr around that's why I asked. I guess it really don't matter there hard to stop every where lol. It's just a chess game of dogs and styles to Mach up the right combos