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Anyone using these dogs as catch dogs? Performance?

Blue is just a color. Some people will disagree but I've seen some great "blue" colored pits. I personally think American bullies are useless. Dogs tongues hang to the floor when they walk around I can't imagine on trying to catch

My best catch dog is blue

Google search blu paul pitbull. Game bred strain of pits. The american bully bred for looks not performance. Some will say the same thing about the amstaff, bred for show even though there r working amstaff breeders.

I use a muscled up blue male catch dog. Don't fight another male unless other dog starts it.  Dodgegirl get my number and I'll show you one catch. Strongest bite I ever seen hits hard and fast. Last hog I had to cut the hogs ear off. Couldnt break his bite even with break stick.

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good looking dog

So I just couldn't resist, and bit on this one. So blue in most cases is not just a color and let me tell you why. Back in the days (40's-70's) when bulldogs were bred to be game dogs an occasional blue would pop up here or there but pretty rare. But in the 90's when the blue color first become so desirable and people were breeding for just looks(size and color) they started breeding in neapolitan mastiffs. So 9 times of of 10 if you have a blue bulldog he has neo mastiff in him. So in my personal opinion they should not even be considered the same breed. That's why its not just a color to me.

That being said that doesn't mean their not good dogs. You could make a strong argument they make better catchdogs than gamebred ones due to the fact they tend to be bigger and are way more mellow and less dog aggressive on average. So I say to each their own, if you got yourself a good one then use'em. A good dog is where you find them.

But those things they call lowrider bullies with practically no legs look like little fat hippo's. People should be ashamed for ever breeding those things.

Hes linebred jeep

Is it an American bully? The ones that are so short and wide they can barely walk? Because that's what I talking about.

Idk he can walk fine but he looks like a bully with jug head. I've seen shorter and seen smaller. Idk how to send a pic off my phone on here

Never owned a "buly style" dog and dont care too, i have owned a blue pit and she was a great catch dog for me.

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that dog looks all business

She had her quirks like any other dog but she took to catchin hogs like a duck to water, came off the mean streets of beaumont lol. She was a good little dog.

I could be wrong, but I doubt if it's linebred off jeep dogs , here is jeep
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=329919
All that really matters is that he gets the job done

He is...i used to breed adba game bred dogs. Hes just one i kept hes 7 now. A lot of people also dont know that jeeps dad was really a bmc. They hung papers one him. Thats how he won most of his fight by being longer winded. Thats why i like them for cd because they normally have a little more leg and more wind then your regular pit. He is line bred jeep on top and his mom was a black chinaman line gyp

So, Jeep was out of an accidental breeding?

No offense....but....Finley's Bo was no cur dog. And I'm PRETTY sure Honeybunch wouldn't have been bred to a BMC in the first place.

The Blue paul as a seprate strain is extinct. Like someone said blue is just a color a dilute of black. The blue dogs today are not Blue Pauls though they were selected for the same color gene.

Sorry that was a typo.. Jeep, his grandad is a curr...finleys bo, jeeps father , was out of a curr dog. You can look it up on gamebredhistory if you look up the jeep bloodline.

Heres a pic of bo... If you can see the curr in him ur blind.
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A cur in  gamedogs is one that quit. Not a  stockdog type cur

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Where did the blue come from? It does not pop up often with the Chinaman dogs either. Now I have seen some Eli dogs produce some blues, butthey came out of black dogs, not buckskin

Good history lesson on jeep

^This. That's where the misunderstanding is coming from. Gotta leave the  bulldog history to the bulldog folks.

Let's see the ped on this blue "Jeep/Chinaman" dog.....

Many of the blue dogs you see today came down from watch dog kennels. Casey used Blue amstass to add th color. After that many people started breeding them but not keeping pedigrees. The American bullys used watch dog blood too. Casey had Abs also, Watchdog white Fang was his foundation dog.

Sorry that should read "he added blue am staffs"

Oh and I re-ead the question, like you said you have seen blue from black dogs. The blue color is a "dilute" of black, meaning its the same gene just lighter. You can call it gray (Black mixed with white).

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Not a pitbull guru, but never heard that about the jeep dog.

Cause its not true. Jeeps dad was a cur, but not a blackmouth cur, a pure bulldog that quit in a match. HUGE difference!!! Also like I said before the main reason the Blue pits get up to 80-100lbs not always but usually cause it had Neapolitan Mastiff added to them a decade or two back, color a lot of time too. I been in bulldogs all my life and I will tell you a true gamebred bull dog that is 100 lbs is one in a million. Happens once in a great great while. The size and color come from breeds outside the gamebred bulldog. It is what it is, its not a slight on them just different type of dogs.

Good post.

I see a lot that people get defensive right away and think we are "hating" on their dogs. I could care less what someone else chooses to feed. If that's their flavor, whatever. What I do have an issue with is people calling a dog an APBT, when it is not. Ever hear of the Whopper dog and the big mess his owner caused with the ADBA?

Lighter had two strains of gamebred pits one red and one blue and both were.deep game. There was a convention held in oklahoma in 1936 where 2 lighter dogs were matched: Halls Searcy Jeff and ( Runyons Colorado ) Imp ll that was supposedly handled by Earl Tudor. Jeff won, but Imp ll showed deep game and was picked up. (Wayne D. Brown " History of the APBT". Pgs. 25 & 26). Rios Pitbull kingdom website. Both blue pits and.amstaffs go back to gamebred dogs. Check it out.

I just was reading up on the whopper dog it makes sense.  But Ive seen a 80/85 game bred pit but only once the mother had to be 35 lbs are so and the father had to be 40 are so. First time they had ever had a dog that big in 30 or 40 years doing what they do but just like anything else just a freak of nature sometimes happens.

I know a few guys that use blue dogs to catch with but, I would not go buy a blue pup off of blue dogs and expect them to catch because it's a lot of people have them for just pets and breed them to the neighbors dog just to get blue puppy's to sell and that's been going on a long time it's a lot of people breed them for their coler and to make money they are not concerned whether they are gamey or not. We tried out several blue dogs in the last 5 years and they was not even good fertilizer. I don't know a thing about jeep or alligator mouff or none of that but I do know what I seen with the blue dogs I have tried out.

Lightner dogs. N Scotland they were called blue pauls the reds were called red smuts.

Yes and Im really not going to get into it too much, you can believe what you want my friend. But for one Lightner did have two strains one red which ran a little big and one mostly brindle, but had other colors too, he sold off all of his reds because of the size thing. Blues were pretty rare bud, since you are into learning the history of the breed which is awesome you should read some Richard F. Stratton books they are pretty good. I know some dogmen who don't really like them but I think they are pretty good reading. They are a good introduction. I have almost 40 classic books and limitless mags and I have only seen a couple of true blues. You will see the light silver and light silver brindle a lot more and even they are pretty rare.

I dont need to check it out It know what I am talking about, I dont need to google any of it.The statement about both amstaffs and blue bullies both go back to game bred dog is a ridiculous one! Of course they do, so do a few other breeds as well. The argument is that they have had other breeds bred into them was the point! I watched the rise of the blue bullies and have friends who had a big hand in that breed. That is why I know what I know.

Have a good night.

No arguement, no offense taken. I am not a expert and was not there and was not on the inside when alot of this took place. Maybe some reading this thread might learn something or gain a greater appreciation for these dogs we put so much time n. The only dumb question is the one not asked and explained to enlighten the intended audience. Sometimes i think we get caught up being right and the opportunity to teach or pass on wisdom is lost!

Good point, and I apologize if I came off strong. Nothing wrong with wanting to learn, or asking questions, I hope I always continue to learn as well. I hope you have a good night.

u speak from experience and a.deep conviction  from having been there and done that. U stand your ground, like a true gamebred pit. Thanks for the spirited.discussion goodnight and God bless!!

Sounds like the discussion is kinda done, but I wanted to restate something I said earlier that I don't think was read. Blue Pauls are extinct and have been for a long time. So discussion involving Blue Pauls and blue amstaffs and even worse Am Bullies is moot. To address the history point the blue paul strain weren't always blue, they produced also reds and brindles. Smut was a term often used to refer to brindle dogs. If you look at old literature about the Old bull baiting bull dog it will show that.

I'm no expert by any means, but the blue pauls were a recessive gene. That's why they only showed up now and then and unless you bred one to another wouldn't breed true to color. They were considered inferior. I was not there, but the way it has been explained to me by folks that were, there was never a Champion Blue Paul in any way unless they were competing against other blue pauls. The present blues are for the most part mastiff or am staff to the apbt cross. It's something that was done for color or color and size. To me that's the fault with them. It's too easy to breed for one or two traits and throw everything else to the way side. I have seen a couple of pretty nice built blue dogs and tried a couple too. They didn't work for me. One was dumb as a sack of hammers and the other could have been a champion bay dog. I'm not saying that there aren't good ones though because I'm sure there are. I also heard a couple of different stats on pit bulls and one of them stated that 75% of pit bull bite cases were dogs that were blue or had strong blue heritage. That was TV and internet so it must be true! ;) I can say that I know two different breeders and One breeds for Blue and big and the other breeds for blue and bully. Both of them have a high percentage of man biters that are used as brood stock. One of them had a guy call him one day asking if he sold many for catch dogs. His reply was "these dogs are bred for looks, if you want a catch dog call my buddy".

Hey T-dog my buddy was breeding them in the 90's and what i noticed back then most of his were really mellow and kind of low energy, but that just might be because they were all in between 80-100lbs. I also seen a few man biters and I have always attributed that to the big blue Italian mastiffs that were bred in them, they are real man aggressive by nature and are used a lot for guard work. In fact I saw some show where an ex middleweight boxing champion name Mark Brieland was using them (neopalitans) for attack work. If you really look at it, it all makes sense.

You can't show me a breed that was ever improved by breeding for looks of any type alone. It ALWAYS has to follow one golden rule in my opinion and that is form follows function! just my two cents.

True bully is a English bulldog pit mix correct?

Short stocky heavy.  Cant breath run walk lol.   Not fond of those lol

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I've seen a bully doing that same kinda thing about a couple being a champion bay dog. We had a boar hog bayed up and that bully ran in there, got whooped down and began baying harder than the bay dogs lol

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I agree Rednose. There are more than a couple of breeds that have been ruined because people were breeding for only one or two traits. People don't have any patience it seems. The fastest way to get to the end result is usually the route they take, instead of taking their time and trying to get it right. I guess though maybe my idea of right and the next guy's might not be the same.

Not a "game dog" but a decent catch dog

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