EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I have a lot of experience with pitbulls. Been raising them and breeding them since I was 8, im 29 now. Had a lot of good catchdogs. I recently received a pitbull from an old man. The old man told me my bulldogs daddy was bad,(my dog doesn't even look like he's full blood) looks like a big brindle cur with a big head and jaws. (HE IS FULL BLOOD) I researched the bloodline. But the old man said the daddy was bad and that every time he caught a hog he had to squeeze the dog between his legs and use two breaking sticks (one on each side of his mouth). Naturally I believed he may have been a good dog but exaggerated. But random people would see my dog and ask where did I get him id tell them, id tell them. They would then reply my dogs daddy (BIG SPOOK) is a bad M*****F*****. Im like ok he must be bad. but still didn't believe bout having to use two breaking sticks. well when I first started catching with my dog he'd hit the hog hard and hold on, but when I grabbed his colar and pull he'd come off fairly easy. So I told the old man, he said (his jaws haven't set in yet) he had never been off the chain in his life until I got him. He said every body thinks a bulldog comes in this world knowing how to lock it jaws but they don't (which confused me a little because my bloodline of pitbulls did and started catching as early as 4 months old). He said just stick with him if he at least half of what his daddy is he's going to make you a hellacious dog. I was like ok ill keep catching with him and see what kinda dog he becomes, I got plenty of bulldogs & if he don't turn out it wont hurt me. Well I caught three more hogs with him. The first one he nailed him I grabbed his collar pulled the bulldog off. The second one he hit the hog on the edge of the creek bank they flipped and rolled down the bank "he had ahold of the hogs ear the hole time they were flipping and rolling down a 20ft creek bank". The next hog was when I had started hunting with the old man, we took my bulldog and his brother. The old man said "YOU BREAKING THE BULLDOGS AND LAUGHED". I said ok no problem. We Bayed bout a 300lb boar hog the biggest hog my bulldog has ever been on at the time. The old man said turn your bulldog loose I wanna see how he is progressing, I know what his brother will do hes already been catching 400plus pound hogs. So I unsnapped my bulldog, as usual he makes a full speed dash to the hog...........BUT WITH A BIG DIFFERENCE........ when he caught the boar he power-drove the hogs head into the ground. I grabbed the head the old man tied him and said "now get'chya bulldog off". I grabbed his collar, put the breaking stick in his mouth AND COULD NOT TURN THE BREAKING STICK. The old man said come on now the dogs are bayed again. so I ended up putting the dog between my legs squeezing and leaning back while turning the breaking stick with two hands to get him off. When we got home skinning hogs the old man said 'what happened with you and that bulldog'. I said I couldn't turn the breaking stick. He then replyed " that aint sh** he is just started the older he gets the worse it gonna get HA HA you better get ready". I am now a believer. I finally got to hunt with my dogs daddy. He is 16 years and old has no teeth. you don't have to use two breaking sticks now cause he is old, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO USE TWO HANDS ON ONE BREAKING STICK to get him off. Ive realized with my bulldog the bigger the hog is and the harder it fights the harder it is to get him off. I don't have a problem catching 300 plus hogs by myself.  I ask my buddys do they wanna go, but if they don't im still going. I thank the old man for giving me the bulldog, wouldn't sale him for 2000$.

That's what u look for

I hope you don't believe that "lock jaw" B.S. Just another myth man.

If there was such thing as a "lock jaw" a break stick wouldn't work

whats the myth..? pitbulls and bulldogs were bread to bite harder than the average dog and not let go. if they didn't there would be no need for a break stick. lol

its the will of the dog to bite hard and not let go that's whats usually called lock jaw. but I have seen with my own eyes a bulldog bite something and want to let go but physically could not with out help.

Yea happen to me with mine last week. 3 men couldn't get him off even with stick. Finally just cut the hogs ear off

Well if you been breeding them since you were 8; you know a lot more about them then I do.  That's pretty young man.

yea that's how that bulldog I got from the old man is, but idk how. I see it with my eyes but it don't look right because he is not a big huge dog. He is tall but lanky built. its hard to make him gain weight.

yea I started young. when I first started hog hunting that's all I had. by the time I got to high school I had 16.

Bulldogs in hold don't let go of something because they don't WANT to. Not because they have "lock jaw." That lock jaw myth has got to be one of the most BS aggravating myths/terms I have ever heard, and is fuel for the BSL agenda. They do NOT have lock jaw. They have a very powerful bite, yes, but not lock jaw. The will to not let go is better referred to as DETERMINATION, or something along those lines.

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actually the term LOCKED JAWS better suits the dogs ability. for example I have seen a dog DEAD still hung on a hogs ear LOCKED. and you had to use a breaking stick still get him off. break stick=key to getting him off. because im pretty shure determination stops after death. lol ;-)  

O man. I see Another heated debate about to start

Dude.... you must have them super good gator mouf dogs, you should breed a truck load... You'll make a fortune.










I really want to delete this thread just cause....

Post a pic of dog for us to see.

With all due respect, it sounds like you're using the false term "lock jaw" in place of the proper term "in hold." I too have been around bulldogs for quite some time.
Here is the definition of "lock jaw," and it is NOT what a bulldog has. A bulldog has a powerful bite, and the will to stay IN HOLD for as long as he can until he is broke off with a break stick.

Lockjaw can refer to any of the following:

Medical conditions and diseases:
Trismus, a pathological condition in which the mouth is held shut by sustained spasm of the masseter (jaw) muscle, often observed in cases of tetanus.
Tetanus, an infectious disease of the central nervous system.

Us owners of bulldogs in today's day in age try to use proper terminology. Using terms like this is what spreads ignorant rumors and falsehoods about the breed that once again, fuels not only  the BSL agenda, but ignorant "pit bull" haters.

It might actually be an involuntary muscle spasm caused by god knows what that causes some dogs to set their jaws impossibly hard and continue while the dog is dead. be logical LOCK JAW. LOL

Or maybe it's because you know, "pit bulls'" brains grow too big for their skull and one day the just "turn" and lose their dang minds and just start mauling people?

See how that sounds?

I already made my point. All in all, moral of the story is, bulldogs have powerful jaws, yes, and the good ones stay in hold. But they sure don't have lock jaw, lmao.

What I wanna know is what is it inside of a pit bull that makes him want to grab a hold of something 5 times his size. What posseses him to do that. Don't tell me its cus he wanna please his owner or something  My bull dog grabbed the first hog he ever seen ever since then he would go to bay and do his deal.

Hundreds of years old selective breeding.

*of not old.

Wasn't even finished posting. Prey drive.
Same thing that makes terriers want to catch raccoons, rats, nutria, fox, badger, etc.

Anyone ever used a bull terrier for catch dog

There are several dogs with more psi to there bite than bulldogs it is the reverse muscle that is the difference. Some will back off easier than others

the turning and mauling people is not logical. it doesn't matter what the dog is. if its trained to act crazy its going to act crazy. if you teach a dog to sick on people when it gets loose and bites you shouldn't blame the dog in the news but the do. but involuntary muscle spasm in the jaws , that's locgical.

With all due respect "willsho", I knew you didn't know what you were talking about when you said you've been "breeding and raising" since you were 8. Maybe chasing dogs around in your pajamas but definitely not "breeding and raising". Then when you said "lock jaw", that was the cake on the icing.

As was stated earlier, this ignorant thread needs to be removed. Just my honest opinion...

Pitbull has 500 lbs of bite that's all your felling and why your having trouble breaking him off

For the guy that asked about me breeding the dogs. I will be breeding some soon, but I have to do it the way the old man wants me to or he will take the dog or shoot it. He is very set in his ways and trying to perfect his bloodlines. But I will put them on here when I have some. feel free to continue the convo, I like to see what peoples opinions are. But im finna load up and go hunting. safe hunting hoggers

What is involuntary about a dog staying in hold?

Do you have any scientific research that backs up this involuntary muscle spasm?

I'm getting a headache here. Were you not originally talking about a very much LIVE dog catching a hog that you were describing as having "lock jaw?"

Now we're discussing a dog dying while in hold? There's also a term old timers use for dogs dying while in hold, and it darn sure isn't "lock jaw."

No buddy. breading raising and selling them since I was 8. unlike most people ive had a fascination with the pitbull breed since I was old enough to know what they were. and would stay with older dog men while other children were outside playing in order to learn more about them. were they come from and different bloodlines and why people bread the way they did. for example MAYDAY, JOKO, ELI, CHINAMAN, PLUMBERS GATOR. I bet most people cant tell which lines are named after the man and which is actually from the dog.

lol Icing on the cake....I sound as foolish as this thread LMAO

LOL I needed a good laugh, thanks man.

Anyone can run off names you can find on google when you type in "pit bull."

If you know as much as you say about bulldogs, you certainly wouldn't be throwing around terms like "lock jaw."

Oh, and please have some respect....it's "Jocko" and "Plumber's ALLIGATOR".

'Nuff said.

Oh, and while we're at it..

Mayday - dog

Jocko - dog

Eli - dog

Chinaman - dog

Plumber - one of two brother responsible for alligators greatness....

Alligator - dog


See... not that hard...

Fun times and all, but for the love of God, someone please close this thread!  :D

ETHD got bullies  willsho. Do yo thang.

Bullies?  :laugh:

Nothing here but factual information my friend.

No bullying here.

Y'all breaking n willsho

ETHD (along with everywhere) has people who don't appreciate people disrespecting the breed by spreading misinformation. And they're going around swearing by it like it's law. It's incorrect information about a breed who is already extremely incorrectly misunderstood.

^^^X2!!    I'm glad there are other bulldog folks on here!! I came on here not expecting bulldoggers like there are. Nice and refreshing!!

I agree. I had and still get grief from many people for owning pit bulls. My bull dog lays his head n my lap on the way to the lease and on the way back after catching hogs. Calm as can be till go time  

^^^^^ this

MAYDAY, JOKO, ELI, CHINAMAN, PLUMBERS GATOR.

Willsho.........What is one common ancester that all these great dogs have in common ?

Those are far from accurate tests. a dog biting at a stick vs a dog setting his teeth on another animal that every fiber in his body is trying to kill is two different things.  Thats why a wild wolf will score high on those because they are biting to kill or for fear of their life where the domesticated dogs are biting for a treat and a atta boy. Totally different things.

Alligators is onry cause the got all them teeth, and no tooth brush! Mama. Says dats why da bite sooo hard.

Mike that's awesome


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to who ever dosnt like the bloodelines I threw out there and the ancestery guy. I realy don't care what you think. I breed for better dogs. the next dog has to catch a hog better than the last one, they cant be aggressive to humans or other dogs, and guess what 'I got'em'. you prolly have a half weimeer reiner/ half boxer and think its a pitbull. lol if it works for you use it, but don't expect to get another pup that catches like it when you breed it. what I breed produces consistant great catch dogs. HATE ON THAT. Im gone hunting

One very famous one that almost all of our modern day game dogs go back to.

What the hell is a weimeer reiner?

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

Oh I needed a laugh, thanks for that.

To the person that started this topic, you say his brother is already catching 400lb plus hogs. I would like to see some pics of these big boys the way you said it is like this man has caught multiple hogs over 400lbs. I know a lot of hog hunters that are hog hunters that have never caught a 400 pounder. I myself have not biggest I ever put the handcuffs on was 392 and been hunting a pretty good while and that's through several dogs life spans and your dogs brother has already started catching 400lb plusers. And I have one more thing to ask mention. If y'all caught a 300lb hog the day you went and the other dog is already catching 400lb hogs on a regular basis. I don't see how the other dog lived to be 16 I mean most people that catch a lot of big hogs don't get to retire a bulldog to old age the odds just ain't there yes it's some that get to retire but if you do nothing but track hunt on big hogs it's just a matter of time before the bulldog don't come home. I would just like to see some pics of the 400lb hogs

Whiskey use to make me grab ahold of something 5 times my size and I got BROKE JAW !! So instead of LOCK JAW lets call it WHISKEY JAW !

Im back temp. cuz its raining. I can understand what your getting at. I hat to see it for myself but the oldman is hunting in areas that have a bunch of big hogs. and I mean a bunch. and a uncommon amount of bar hogs. we rarely catch hogs less than 275. we once whent hunting 12 days strait tryna catch a sow and didn't catch nothing but big boars and bars. its weird. and about the bulldog I guess its luck, he has only been cut once and he is 16 years old. ill see if he will let me get the pics to post them.

So much ignorance in one post....... You are talkin to and about folks who have been around bulldogs longer than you and i have been alive and yes this is a fact, hell just last week jimmy was talking about good times he had in the 80's with quite a few well known bulldog men and Mrs. Krystal was a vet tech for quite some time with a pretty vast amount of bulldog knowledge herself.

Your "lock jaw" hypothesis while funny is completely asinine and proves the point that you sir, have been misinformed.

Surely you managed a picture of at least 3 or 4 of them big trophy hogs ya'll are catchin everyday.....

I got to get me one of them lock jaw bulldogs ;) that way I never loose another  hog ever

Hey Justin....he PM'd me earlier.....confirming my thoughts on open dogs pushing hogs

 rolleyes
 >:D
 :angel:

I am not miss informed. lock jaw is just a term used to describe something. just like "in hold". realy you could just say biting the ear really hard and not letting go. but in the south most people just say locked on the ear. people take things to far. lol I just like to wire them up and listen to them talk. while I throw in truth and they throw back name calling like calling people (ignorant). when we are really agreeing just calling it a different name. tomato tom`ato.

    This thread just went full retard.



       I know nothing about game dogs. I love a good dog but I don't agree with fighting dogs. With that being said , you are full of sh it. I have yet to read a proper paragraph from you so I really doubt you have been breeding , or as you say breading , a solid line of dogs.
        If you want to sound like you know what you are talking about , research it a little first.

And for the record 'I don't catch bighogs all the time" he does. its all about the area you hunt. if the places you hunt have what it takes to make big hogs there will be big hogs. if there constantly eating on farms running off the cows and eating all the vitamins and feed they will get big. just like the one spot I hunt that has a bunch of hogs with long cutters. ive caucht a 150lb hog in that spot with 3 inch cutters do I know why. 'NO'. but I do know my cur dogs got cut up.

do my reaserch.? the proof is in the pudding. come hunt and bring you bulldog, ill bring mine. bad gramer or bad spelling don't catch hogs ;-)

know what point blank. the old man breads bada$$ bulldogs that catch waaaaaay better that the average bulldog. Don't believe me ill show you. want one. ill sale them when I have them. now im going on to another post to get some info about some thing I don't know much about.

  What area of the state are you in ? I am headed out of town this weekend. I will take you up on the offer though when I return.

I'm just saying it's not common for anyone to catch 300lb hogs and 400lb  hogs on a regular basis unless the lands joined up to poor run hog farm and most of the big hogs are white and pink with great big ears. Another explanation could be y'all have no scale and are guessing the weight of the hogs and are just bad as judging weight ??? I'm not calling you a liar because I don't know you but your post is unbelievable. When you was 8 and had these bulldogs what did you do with them. Was they pets or did you hunt them or fight them. It had to be a reason you had them when you was that young other than being just interested in them.

Savoy.... this was full retard from post #1!!!!

The proof is in the pudding? I say the proof is in all the pictures y'all have with all the 400 lb hogs and y'all and your dogs. I don't find it feasible to believe if you or your dad was catching hogs like that all the time you wouldn't have some kind of proof

Who is the old man some of us may know him?  Where is he from?

I call it how I see it. Ignorance is ignorance. Getting on here and telling people that bulldogs have lock jaw is plain ignorant. Given what the definition of lock jaw is....it does not apply to a dog, period, unless they contract Tetanus, lol. Tomato vs. Tom'ato or what not....that's pronouncing a word differently....not using a completely different term to describe something. That is irrelevant.

Willy (willsho),

Why are there posts on the dog trade containing your phone number, but posted under a different screen name?

This is almost as entertaining as a karaoke bar a midnight !!

GUY, just let it go. I stay in the country with country people. and its more often called locking than "in hold" where im from. The point isn't the name of what their doing, but can they do it and do it well. And frankly idk about you, but I catch hogs with the dogs I have. all of them are not expencive. but they work and get the job done. I paid 40$ for a cur dog and made it out hunt my buddies 1200$ finished dog. If your dog gets the job done is what matters. not words or terms.

that's prolly not me. I only have one screen name.

  Still waiting on what part of the state you are in. If I had to guess it would be around 59.

I stay in east tx. were do you stay.

Calling it "locking" as a nick name is one thing, but you making the statement that they have "lock jaw" is another. You're all over the place in your posts....and change course frequently. IF you are referring to me, I am not a GUY, I am a woman. Now you're talking about how not all your dogs are expensive, but they work. What the hell are you talking about? Who said anything about the cost of anyone's dogs? You are just all over the place.

HEY MAN... easy on the 59ers !!!!!!   ;D

U stay dare two fool.  ;D

     Thank y'all for keeping this open.

Yea and about a third of the board. Ha ha


It's been funny for sure, no matter how bad it hurt my brain.

im not all over the place lady. Im on point the original post is about how bad the oldmans dogs are. and im sticking to it. and point blank some dogs do have their jaws lockup on them like there is some thing wrong with him. you can come at me with this prove it to me with science crap but your odviously not going to know what im talking about until it happens to you. when you have a bulldog get killed and still hang on a hog and you have to pry him off you let me know.

Who is the old man?.... I want to learn more from a legend.

He don't want to be known. And he will not sell you a dog, I can only sell the dogs because im breeding my blood into it. he is weird and oldskool. for example if a dog doesn't catch right for me ill give it a way for a house dog or something. He don't believe in that. he will shoot it. The only way ill shoot a dog is if it trys to bite people or kids. I wont put up with that crap. If my dog didn't catch right hed come to my yard and shoot it. like I said hes old and set in his ways.

Cantex go load Debo's a$$ up and show him a bulldog...........

Maybe you should take some notes from the Old Man, and some of his beliefs instead of becoming a dog peddler.  If they're that good, the dogs will speak for themselves and you should breed to improve the line not peddle it, and they won't need some one on a fence post crowing about em.

Im going to make a crazy guess.  This thread was started with the intent on having everybody wanting what you have and the next thing you were going to be selling these dogs right?

 I asked that you post a pic of the dog?  Others have asked that you post a pic of hogs?  What is the old man's name?  You stay in East TX-that's a bog place.

If you truly have a unbelieveable dog and you want to come on here and promote him than show up pics.  Im sure there are a lot of folks on here that would take you up on an offer to come hunt but they want to make sure that the hunt is legit.  I don't think you have given a single piece of proof that anything you said is true.

And back to the eight years old thing.  Come on man!!  You certainly were not providing income to help pay any cost.  More likely, someone else was raising some dogs and you were around it.  I doubt you were making actual decisions about what dog to breed to another dog. 

Every once in a while I see something that just doesn't pass my common sense test and this entire thread is one of them.  If I had a Yes button or a BS button...I would press BS.

A 13 year old hog god of a bulldog that rarely catches anything under 275 and only been cut once??? Whose domestic clipped tooth hog farm are yall poaching sir?

It's bred into them.

Will you post a picture of this dog?

Ha that comment was meant for the last comment on page one. Didn't realize the length of the thread lol

For the win!

Reckon we could get one of the admins to change his handle to "willNOTsho"  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Good one

I was actually hunting and not sitting online talking about it like yall. lol the old man said he just caught another 400 pound bar hog AND IS SENDING ME A PIC. now how do you put these pics on here. PROOF---FOR THE WIN. Stop running ya head thinking im lying and let yo dogs do the talking. CUZ MINE WILL. Not tryna peddle dogs I just as well keep'em all for myself. like the old man said most of yall don't know true dog men all ya know is what yall read yall haven't actuall got to sit down and talk to the men -grand kid- or the great grand kids of who actually owns the dog in your pedigree. But I have been pretty fortunate on that. I know a lot of old dog men 'some you wouldn't think I know". NOT GOING TO MENTION ANY NAMES DONT ASK. B ut I got to learn from them because I chose to shut up and listen. With a lot of yalls attitude and the way yall talk 'you wouldn't even get to make it out the truck with these old men'. The only advice I have for yall is if you find an old dog man that knows what he is talking about. SHUT UP AND LISTEN..LOL

Like the energizer bunny....it just keeps going and going and going...

yep. And its going in one ear and out the other apparently.

And this thread is like road kill......for some reason.....I just gotta look!

Bwahahahahaha!

well enjoy the 'sho' lady because willsho will show up and show out. lol I aint bad.....till I get there.lol

Wow

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HahahahahahaahahahahahahH

This done got ridiculous willsho. I give a man the benefit of the doubt. This headed south quick.

Drama is fun and all, BUT I like Big Hogs, and I wanna see the pics of the 400 lb'rs.  I PM'd you offering to post the pictures.  I don't even care over the bulldogs, but I wanna see these hogs!

ill post the pics. because we do catch a lot of big hogs in certain spots. a lot more than average

You're right... just a bunch of internet hunters on here that know nothing about hogs or dogs. rolleyes

Whenever you have some pics... post them up.