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Title: Breeding for a flaw? Post by: chainrated on February 13, 2014, 09:12:13 pm I
Title: Re: Breeding for a flaw? Post by: chainrated on February 13, 2014, 09:32:25 pm I had a chance to read a little bit on here today and see all the discussions about where all our dogs come from and about folks breeding for different uses and characteristics.
I've thought about and discussed it quiet a bit about what exactly makes a catchdog or baydog or any other working dog do what he does? With catchdogs, What makes a dog do something that everything in his genetics and instincts and mother nature is telling him NOT to do.. In nature, an animals instincts tell him to survive so if that means to flee or run that's what they do.. The wolf that our dogs are said to all come from will in the wild always choose survival over death. So how is it that we have bred a dog that will go against everything that his instincts should be telling him to do the opposite of ? I think that all bulldogs and any dog that will die on a hog or doing any other work is genetically flawed. The APBT is the result of hundreds of years of breeding on a genetic flaw.. I'm all for crossing dogs and trying to breed the exact type of dog you want and can use.. And I believe there is always room for improvement. But I also think that if you take some dogs that go against their natural instincts and will catch and hold something no matter what even if it means death and you breed those dogs long enough to get that consistently. Then in about 100 years you will have an APBT... Title: Re: Breeding for a flaw? Post by: devildawg86 on February 13, 2014, 09:45:04 pm Man has been manipulating mother nature to his will since the garden of eden. Man not only manipulates mother nature and its creatures but other humans. Man is the flawed creature.
Title: Re: Post by: Scott on February 13, 2014, 09:49:02 pm Good point Matt
Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk Title: Re: Breeding for a flaw? Post by: Reuben on February 14, 2014, 05:06:53 am mother nature does not make mistakes...everything has a fine balance...in the wild the fearless canines will die before they reach breeding age and those that have the perfect balance of hunt, knowing when to run etc..;etc...live to breed another day...
wolves, coyotes, foxes and other animals have short prick ears they can rotate so they can sleep with their ears on and also to pin point game...they have the ability to put on a thick coat in the winter and a light one in the summer...they don't have a wide chest for pure power but a moderate one for speed and around use and so on... certain animals turn white for camo in the snow country and then they go back to brown when the snow melts...those that don't have these traits will either starve to death or get caught...mother nature does not make mistakes because God created it that way...a system that takes care of itself... man is super intelligent and we have the ability to trick mother nature so we can multiply and prosper so we think...but one day mother nature will rein us back in and we will think it is the end of the world...greed gets in the way of making the perfect decisions...just my feeling... Title: Re: Breeding for a flaw? Post by: Mpbarrs on February 14, 2014, 08:29:53 am Well said Reuben
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Title: Re: Breeding for a flaw? Post by: Hutch33 on February 14, 2014, 12:30:46 pm Hard question to answer, but I believe it comes down to the power to please their human owner. I think we’d need to put domesticated dogs and non domesticated dogs in two different groups. Strange to say, but you could almost view dogs and humans as having their own separate evolution. I think dogs have developed at least some behaviors similar to human’s bcuz the two have lived together for over 10,000 years, we have a huge impact on their behavior in all situations. Even a domesticated dog that has been raised with barely any human contact can follow you pointing or looking at something. People back then didn’t know about genetics but selective breeding, dogs that bite humans were killed and dogs that worked well with humans on the hunt were taken care of and had a greater chance of being bred. In other words, the selection of likeable traits were reinforced, like cooperative and nonaggressive dogs, where other traits were punished for causing the loss of food and energy from a fearful dog running away from the hunt.
Title: Re: Breeding for a flaw? Post by: Shotgun wg on February 14, 2014, 12:41:21 pm It's not breeding a flaw it breeding a trait to the point it supersedes the opposite reaction. It's all prey drive. These animals have a desire to catch their prey to the point backing up isn't even considered. The flight response is still present but over ruled by the desire to catch. So I do see it as a flaw but as an exaggeration of one trait over the other.
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