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How often does it happen? what make this show up in these dogs, I have a friend who now has two of them that come from all yella dogs. Well a friend was selling out the other day and I picked this 11 year old male up from him. he said they have had this line of dogs for 20-25 years and had a couple of white pups and always culled the white ones bc of color. well he decided to keep this male out of the bunch and used him as a cow dog till he was 8 and then he has been set up on a chain ever since. we showed him a hog the other day and bayed really good, took him to the woods and stayed on a race for 2 hours! not bad for him being set up for a couple years and being 11. let see some pics of your white BMC if you have any!
Hank:
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Just another shade of yellow.

is this how "red" black mouth curs were made into there own category? what makes them turn out lighter than the others in the bunch?

Genes made him that light

It is genetics. It's no different than white labs. If a person wanted to they could breed for that trait until it started to express more and more often.


Shotgun
Arkansas

Is this also how throw back or "reverse" curs come about in a litter.  I know genes make him that way, but is it a defect or just a paired of uncommon or less paired genes put together to create black and tans and the lighter colored cur dogs that come out of several generations of straight yella black mouth curs.

Yes

I am no geneticist but I believe u are correct. If u have a trait that is dilute and u keep breeding these dogs that have that dilute trait eventually it will show up. Once it does it will continue to show from time to time. The colors that u see today that are rare at one point were common. Selective breeding diluted these colors making the now common yellow the dominant color. With the white dogs it isn't as much color as shade. A white lab is considered yellow just as a red lab is also called yellow. They are merely shades of yellow. In labs the determining factor as to if they have inferior genetics in these colors is the color of the nose and nails. A white dog with black nose eye lids and toes is a yellow. A white with pink eye lids nose and toes is called a Dudley and considered a defect. If u wanted to bring back the colored curs u could selectively breed useing color as a point and breed a conformation structurally and aptitude YBMC that was no longer yellow. There are breeders today that are selectively breeding based on color to have their rare colored YBMC. I have seen one that based on his own words was doing so for sure. Not saying he was not also looking at aptitude and natural ability at the same time.


Shotgun
Arkansas

Thanks shotgun that read was useful.  I have reg labs I know all about the silvers reds and whites .....

Just the oldie goldie days.....sticking their heads up and saying.....Howdy, Still Here. ;)

I'd call that dog a lab all day if you didn't say different, lol

Not as white as your but she is def white...
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keep breeding the lighter ones and they'll keep getting lighter. breed back to a black n tan or a leopard and it'll darken them up and maybe add a little more mask.

it's like the amount of spots on a dalmatian or the degree of black on a saddleback.

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genetically, the dogs above are all the same color but with variation within. the number of spots or tendency of shade (white/yellow) is going to lean towards average for the greater breeding pool your dog belongs to. if you have a family of dogs that produces primarily light/white dogs your average will be lighter than for the breed as a whole.

I had a litter last year with white, black and tan,  yellow.  Thought I was gonna get all yellow dogs

Seriously?  He looks nothing alike.

^^these are cool picks I bet those niliga can be rough on a dog. We shot one with a 35 whelin and it still ran 100 yards with a dohble lung shot! Looking to take a couple more they eat fantastic!

Looks pretty similar to me....but ain't no biggie!! I ain't calling you a liar girl....just saying.....

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^^these are cool picks I bet those niliga can be rough on a dog. We shot one with a 35 whelin and it still ran 100 yards with a dohble lung shot! Looking to take a couple more they eat fantastic!
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 We've recovered 4 nilgai with our dogs.  They are very tough animals and are very tasty.  This particular one was shot in the front leg,  the dogs ran him a little over a mile before they got to him.
Here's another cool pic->
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Iv had 2 "white" bmc dogs. 1 of them, his parents and grandparents were all yeller. The other 1, i think his momma was whiteish n sire was a lil darker yeller, but still an off white. I personally lime the white yeller bmc type, especially since they cant be confused with a "deer tan" buck skin bmc. Iv got 2 more off white (more white than yeller) but every pup came out yeller. They may lighten up or get darker as the get older.

Here are the 2 most recent off white yellers.

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Pups 2 days old
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Only pup that was more yeller than the rest in the litter
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2 burning, 6 turning

Good looking pups charles. Kevin im not saying ire wrong but he is a hig block headed dogm I will get pics of him and 60 lb "white" lab next to him in a bit

I just cant see 20 years breeding and he having lab in him. When they did the cross several times and they always had some turn out white. Idc really was just wondering.  He bays the hair off them and stays busy at about 50-150 yards.  He works good for me!

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This bitch here was pretty darn white.

This one here is too.
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Tell Lamar to post up Dixie and White Trash if they wanna see some pale face curs. 

Ybm he can't post pics I was over there today should of gotten  some pics of them

Here is my 10 month old gyp from YMB  turning on good
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Here is more pics the one who is not on a chain is my lab
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Lauren, i think you took the lab post wrong, i dont think anyone was callin him a lab, just pointing out that he resembled a lab, i wouldn't worry about it! He's a good lookin dog.


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Dang  Labs !  ;D

Yes!  :D

And after seeing him next to a lab, yup, he looks just like a lab.  ;D

To me the lab looks more like a cur!!!

Maybe they was switched at birth..  ;D

Way off topic. Bu are those brands painted on???

  Posting the picture of that lab doesnt help your case. I don't think any one is saying he is a lab just that he really, really looks like one.

Im not saying he did I just don't want to think about him being a possibility of lab!

The brand is hair die. Doing the real deal during deer season!

Heck Lauren... I doubt he is, lol. Just looks it at first glance. You know... There were some OLD pictures posted of some OLD blood BMC dogs a while back. THOSE dogs were sure enough thicker coated, thick bodied....stout looking dogs. I liked them a lot. Anyone remember those? Wasn't all that long ago.

But hey ... I tell you this .... I knew of a 1/2 Catahoula 1/2 Lab that was a bad baying dude. Lol

Ol' Patches was his name

Kevin, those were BigO and Skoalbandett dogs.

Knew a guy that ran a 1/2 lab 1/2 bmc, looked a LOT like ur new guy.   She hunted hard and was a hog baying fool.   He is a good looking dog, for sure.  Glad hes making u a happy owner :)

O cool. I would of never thought to use that!!!

Well he definitely doesn't have any cat im him or he would definitely be culled! We like to keep everything yella around here. (Even the duck dog ;) ) the lab will bay to and try to catch. But the parents would not be happy if he didn't come home.

Here's a couple more of the pale face curs......Littermate sisters and hell on wheels.....
Whitetrash......
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Dixie.......
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Looking good lamar!

The female in the back was always a light buckskin she is 6 now and is getting lighter every year and her mask is fading
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I like the way them lighter(white) bmc look, great looking dogs

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Ive got one here thats pretty white herself.
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Justin that dog looks real good! I think the white with the dark mask makes them look awesome!

Heck...I have one that's fairly light

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Appreciate it Lauren.