EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Do they have em? Where? And how do they judge?

Nope outlawed


Shotgun
Arkansas

Was just wondering, an older man that hunted was talkin about em so thought I'd try to see what it was all about.

   lol yep it had to be an old man talking about them , they have been gone for a good while now  .

Ya it sounded kinda fun, woulda really liked to check it out. What was the reason for outlawing?

    peta , h$u$ , aspca , and all the animal rights organizations that funneled money into the democratic and a few republican traitors campaign funds .

Here is the way they worked. It was kind of like calf roping. A hog was cut loose and when it broke a barrier you could turn the bulldog loose. When the dog caught you had to get the dog off of the hog and raise your arm. It was a timed event and the quickest time won. They were alot of fun.

My buddy had a great catch dog at the time. He caught the hog in 16 seconds but the break stick fell out of their pocket as they were running to the hog. It took them several minutes to break him off the hog.

Some crazy woman out of Houston slipped into the one in Etoile, Tx. and nearly stroked out.

Sounds fun, guy was tellin us our CD woulda been good at it. Seems like there is always someone, somewhere lookin to take all the fun from someone else. Wish these were still goin on, sure woulda like to check em out.

Not to mention some of the dumbasses that holding them...if it would have been handled the correct way...they would probably still be legal.

Nope, most states have laws against fighting any kind of animal & this would fall in that category. Fun or not, it brought to much negative attention to our sport. People better wake up. I see all kind of videos posted on Facebook with dogs catching hogs or cut up dogs. This can be used against you in a court of law.
  There is a case now in Mi. where somebody trapped a coyote & put dogs  on it. They posted it on insta gram. They were arrested for animal cruelty & might serve time in jail.
  Wake up people.

Right...and when did those States create those laws...most came after a fella in SC and one in AL screwed the pooch...

I agree...too much negative attention was created and is still being created through the www and social media...

Wake up people.
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Agreed. It really "grinds my gears" seeing all the thoughtless videos and pictures that are posted for the world to see.  People are quick to post for their own image, but cant take the two seconds to think of the actually meaning behind the sport. But, I know that's not what this threads about...

Agreed. It really "grinds my gears" seeing all the thoughtless videos and pictures that are posted for the world to see.  People are quick to post for their own image, but cant take the two seconds to think of the actually meaning behind the sport. But, I know that's not what this threads about...
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No sir it's not, just heard an older gentleman talkin about em, thought it sounded interesting so I figured I'd ask.

im glad they outlawed them. when they had them over here by the house you couldnt buy a bulldog under 500$. most of these people were breeding little fast dogs that really wasnt worth a number 2 for hunting just catching in a pen and being quick about it, but like i say someone that was hunting if you lost your bulldog you was out of business for awile they had the bulldog market messed up, and when they shut them down it was free bulldogs everywhere.

I wouldn't say that hog hunting and many other dog hunting sports were popular many years ago- but the internet and technology have made it poular today.  The internet and those that became crazy about what they post will cause this hunting we know of to go away.

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Not to mention some of the dumbasses that holding them...if it would have been handled the correct way...they would probably still be legal.
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Nope, most states have laws against fighting any kind of animal & this would fall in that category. Fun or not, it brought to much negative attention to our sport. People better wake up. I see all kind of videos posted on Facebook with dogs catching hogs or cut up dogs. This can be used against you in a court of law.
  There is a case now in Mi. where somebody trapped a coyote & put dogs  on it. They posted it on insta gram. They were arrested for animal cruelty & might serve time in jail.
  Wake up people.
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Amen to that Cajun...I was at one of the first ones in Texas and I knew I couldn't support it because I also knew it was going to fly like a lead balloon in front of the non hunting public and of course it was quite a bit of ammo for the anti's...

the same with youtube, facebook and the huntings sites that support this type of video...

I believe it might have been at Etoile but somewhere east of Houston maybe Lufkin...Some catch dogs pictures made it to the National Inquirer magazine and it was on the cover page about vicious pitbulls attacking and mutilating the poor pigs...and back then that magazine was very popular because there wasn't much internet in those days...that really drove some nails in the coffin...

We have to look at the big picture...

 I get dog piled on when I make a comment on videos that are posted on Facebook. You would not believe the crap people will post. Videos of a hog being caught in a pen/trailer and 10 dogs tearing a hog up in a pen. Let alone the pictures of dogs for sale that are sitting on mounds of crap in their kennel or at the end of a chain that has a six foot pile of crap at the ground stake.
    No matter what , catch contests were never going to last.

It's probably been 10 years since I've been to one. They used to have them on one of the indian reservations here in Florida. They didn't have to quit doing it and it's still legal there but it was bringing too much negative attention so they stopped it. It was still a dang good time. The best one was you had to catch the hog and put a t shirt on it.

   that one all ways gets me riled up too duck  . dog for sale real good one here boys and the dog is on about a 4 foot chain with a beat up old barrel sticking up out of the mud and dog crap everywhere  lol  sometimes I get lax on pen cleaning but I damn sure ain't gonna take a picture for everyone else to see  .

   and the hog catching comps where the very next thing the anti's attacked after they finished off the cockfighters . one thing at a time is the way they work , now their targets are the bear hunters after that it will be the hog hunters , so I suggest everybody get involved in the fight regardless if you think it won't ever happen to you  .  the state of main bear hunters are under heavy attack as we speak and are trying to raise money for their battle   help if you can by sending a donation because they WILL  be after you next if they win and outlaw bear hunting with hounds  .

 and the hog catching comps where the very next thing the anti's attacked after they finished off the cockfighters . one thing at a time is the way they work , now their targets are the bear hunters after that it will be the hog hunters , so I suggest everybody get involved in the fight regardless if you think it won't ever happen to you  .  the state of main bear hunters are under heavy attack as we speak and are trying to raise money for their battle   help if you can by sending a donation because they WILL  be after you next if they win and outlaw bear hunting with hounds  .

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They are taking it state by state & attacking our rights to free cast dogs. Bear hunters are the number one target right now. Like halfbreed says it will be hog hunters or anybody who dog hunts next.

If you think it cannot happen, ask Fla. hunters about there bearseaason. Fla. is a state where they run everything with dogs. Deer, bear, hogs, rabbits, birds, fox, coon, you name it. Peta & the HSUS complained to Gov. Lawten Chiles that there never was a biological study on the bear population in Fla. & that Fla. did not have enough bears to hunt. What a load of crap. Fla. has always had more bear killed by highways or beekeepers then were ever harvested by hunters. Guess what., Lawten Chiles caved in without even studying the facts & closed the bear season. Once you lose your rights, it is very difficult to get them back.
  Support your state dog hunting assoc. & try to donate where states are coming under attack.
  Sorry to rant & did not mean to hijack your thread.

Kinda Kool how small question leads to so much information. Don't apologize, this all turned into being a good conversation that a lot mite people should read. If everyone only realized some of the things you guys mentioned dog hunters might still have a chance. Sadly but surely most people don't give a #2 about what goes on around them. That is until it hits home.

I remember when some animal right's group put a big billboard up going into Galveston TX...it had a big picture of a golden retriever with a fish hook about to be set in his mouth...something about the fish feel the same pain as your pet...the message was about stopping people from fishing...Galveston folks complained and it was taken down...right now there are too many fisherman out there so that won't work at this time. ..
  The hunting dog public is small so those tactics will be harder to overcome...

I say gun groups, all hunters of all types including fishermen need to come  together as "ONE" and all fight for our rights to pursue our way of life as we have it now and get back a few that have been lost...

 "UNITED WE STAND" or decided we fall...

My family use to go out there. I remember I was maybe 8 or 9 with a broke arm in a cast holding our catch dogs leash. Well she heard that pig squeal and she done dragged me all up and down the pen lol.

First and foremost I'd like to state I don't care either way if these events were still going on. I of course would definitely like to see my best against the best in any competitive environment, I like competition and would no doubt have loved these events. Although I do have a ?. I was just lookin at the dogo fb page and reading alittle bit mostly just lookin around, but what is the difference in a catch dog trial and letting a dogo find and catch 1 in a 20 acre pen that's supposed to mimic the natural environment. Not looking for an argument just askin a ?.

I understand this is for confirmation purposes, correct? Although isn't that exactly what a catch dog trial was?

Not really. One is designed to evaluate a dog's or line of dogs' ability in the field while the other was just how fast can your dog put the brakes on a hog in a pen on open ground. Not At All knocking them, would have loved to gone to one before the antis shut them down. But like said before, a ton of negative attention got brought to the sport because of these and hog hunters are better off without them still around. The Dogo trials seem to be a little more about trying to hold breed standards up to its true purpose and making sure the next generation of dogs still have some form of working dog blood being passed down. Good to see that Dogo breeders are still holding these kind of trials to try and keep the unwanted lines from overbreeding.

i only ever went to one and i actually won it. it was fun  and the one i attended was legal also.  although this did not stop hsus from putting a video clip of this leagl event on a cnn epsidoe about dog fighting. john goodwin of the hsus refferred to catching in a pen as another part of dog fighting. so here i was  breaking a dog off a hog  at a completley legal event  right after they just showed footage of the michael vic case and a raid on some dog fights in chicago. i did see alot of the catch comps on video  and they sure looked fun to me. i recall a big greyhound doin real well in some of em in texas , but i heard he got cut one time and he said adios,lol. mitch allison had a blue apbt from casey couturier/watchdog kennels that won a ton of those comps  if i recall right. there was a golden retreiver who won a bunch of the catch comps in mississippi  too. there were some crazy guys that would tackle and roll some bad hogs just as soon as their dog but  his mouth on em. they were fun but they were definately doomed as is anything thats fun.

The old catch dog trials where just a small circle pen that you would let your dog loose in to slam a hog. The hog had no chance & no where to get away. At the dogo trials it's a fairly large pen & the hogs have plenty of room to move around.

 I will give my viewpoint on this...

to me it doesn't matter how we see it or how we try to make it right in our minds...we have to get in their minds to their way of thinking...talking about the anti's...they will not see it any different whether it is a 75 ft. pen or a 20 acre pen if the intend is for competition and hogs will be caught then it is going to be very negative publicity for us as hunters/doggers...and the neutral public, those that don't care one way or the other will side up with the anti's because the anti's will paint a very ugly picture of the doggers...

it would be different if it were open ranches or fields where the hogs need to be eradicated because they are tearing up the land for the cattleman...the hogs are causing erosion problems, destroying the natural habitat for other wildlife not to mention the economic losses due to the destruction of grazing land for the livestock...or...the farmers crops are being destroyed...and the hogs are eating the natural food that other wildlife depend on to flourish...So when we hunt we have very good reasons why we do what we do and the majority of the public can support that reasoning/logic and they might stand in our favor...we need to keep it as positive as we can is all that I am saying...

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