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Just venting but bulldogs are worthless,enough said!!! They are the most unreliable dog that i have ever used while hunting. They will turn on u in a moment,  i think that they should be outlawed. Trash imo.


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Bull chit!!!  Junk dogs = junk problems.

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My friend you must have never had a decent dog most bull dogs make good dogs and I have a bunch over the yrs never had one turn on me and I have had some rank ones like under dog said if you find stuff in a junk pile it's usely junk


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People never seize to amaze me if dig in a pile of crap you going to get crap on your hands

you are totaly wrong ask any old timer what they think about bulldogs. You will get the same reply as i gave you. I guess u have been very lucky on your dogs.


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and bulldogs are mostly junk dogs


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So are bmcs and yella dogs junk . I like to hunt them spotted dogs more than anything


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Why are they junk?
In what department are they lacking?
How many bulldogs have you had ?
Where all from the same line?
Did you get them as pups or pick up some ones trash ?

their temperment is very unstable


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And you gathered this information off of how many dogs ?

And line of dogs were they

i was gonna ask how old you are and how many bulldogs you have had and for how many years. and how old do we have to be to be considered an oldtimer.

I'm not the one havering problems with my dogs behavior now am I ? I have several bulldogs though they are not from a certain line if I have problems with a certain dog he eats a bullet I'm no professional bull dog man but for you to make a statement like that is pretty bold from what sounds like a failure on your end to read your dog and control the situation

Its the 10% rule. U have to be 10% smarter than the equipment ur working with. Evidently the dogs r 10% smarter than their owner. Maybe its u with the problem, not the dogs.

camo: you don't miss a beat at trying to tick everybody off. Evidently you must not have ran many dogs or you could not possibly say that. Not long ago we had a great looking cat that was worthless. That don't make them all bad. I have seen plenty cur dogs that were great. I have seen more good red dogs than yellas but give me a good yella any day.

Bulldogs have no peers when it comes to catching. You have been looking at a few sorry dogs.

I am probably the oldest guy on this board.

an old timer in my opinion is about 75 on up


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i'll say this , if your gonna come here and make them statements .... you had better be rough AND ready !   ;D ;D

He is probably just a kid that don't know what he is talking bout it is clear he knows nothing about dogs

I doubt that you'll find a 75 year old dogman that would agree with your assertion. If there was 1 that would agree, that would all but confirm that he most certainly wasn't a dogman.

@ camo, you should probably go vent on Face Book, you might find more sympathy there. Too many folks on here that know better and don't appreciate that sort of blanket statement. When I unsnap my bulldog and send him to a bay I know I can trust him because I could trust his sire, his grand sire, his great grand sire and his great great grand sire going back 20 years. That's 20+ years of good memories with mine that I wouldn't trade for any spotted dog I've layed eyes on and I've had 2 good ones. Never been bit by the first bulldog, but I have been bit by some curs. And while we are on the subject of old timers, I know of 2 that are feeding one of my bulldogs right now because they got tired of throwing dirt on their good cur dogs that didn't have enough a$$ or grit to catch a double rank hog. A good bulldog Will prolong the life of the rest of your pack, that is a fact that can not be disputed. Maybe you are just getting dogs from the wrong people. This isn't meant to be rude, Just setting the record straight because some of us on here have an established family of bulldogs with a reputation of being reliable under any circumstance. Britt Garcia

Maybe someone jacked his phone or computer. Maybe he just ain't very smart.

Nailed it.


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 Age as little to do with dog knowledge. I have say and talked with men that have hunted behind hogs there whole life and filled me full of number 2.
   I am more worried by my curs then my bulldog. My bulldogs are worth their weight in gold. I have no issues with them but as a responsible owner I keep allmy dogs Ccontained and separated.

It just keeps getting better and better.  ;D

When people make comments like this. Makes me want to hunt with them to see what they really know.

Are you on freakin crack dude?

There's no way I would hunt with that dude.  I wanna know how long he's been hunting and how many dogs he has messed with to come up with opinions like that.

He's just chit stirring.  He wont give no answers to anyone's questions, he just makes inflamatory, short volatile statements. He's just trolling to get everyone's fur up and see the responses

Swine dogger you must clearly be a stupid idiot. Some people just get ticked over other peoples opinion


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       lol  kids these days , this is what happens when you take a fathers right to beat some sense into his male child's behind away .

    just an old mans opinion    lmao .

maybe you should take up fishing.

75 and up......hahahaha that's about the time Altzheimers kicks in....they cant remember what they had for breakfast let alone what dogs they used to hunt LMAO!!!! i seen ol Camo jump right in their with his little buddy when the "bulldog on the trapped hogs" post was made,keyboard warriors..

You are the idiot to come on a web site and to start talking trash about a breed of dogs you know nothing about

I wish people like you would disapere

A prime candidate for eugenics

hey keyboard warriors amen haha


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Yes I have been lucky with dogs over the yrs and I don't put a lot in to blood lines never have I just look at the dog it's self for what it is


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Take your opinion and put it where the sun don't shine.... retard

T-rex is my favorite dinasour


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i wish the monitors who ban people for stupidity.

So when your dog bays a hog I'm going to let you and sandy go catch em and leave my "bulldog" on the box.......stupid people

So when your dog bays a hog I'm going to let you and sandy go catch em and leave my "bulldog" on the box.......stupid people

I am just messin with you people . I really like bulldogs i just wanted to see how people react when someone speaks against them.


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 another crawfish!!! seriously, why even come here just to stir the chit pot? 

Yup

Lol in a differnt tone I would half way agree with you in the coment I do not trust the bull breed.  Are they all junk heck no but I can not get my self to ever trust one more than about 50percent and think I have had a couple good ones.

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He reminds me of my sister in law, she aint happy unless there's some kind of drama going on too!

Should've culled the dog and the problem is gone, just like with a cull in a litter of cur dogs, hell the whole litter might be culls! And if your huntin spotted dogs, you see a lot of culls :)
On a serious note. Yeh there are plenty of bulldogs that are worthless but there are just as many curs and hounds that are too. That why we have woods piles for. Take em on a walk and come back alone, if you think he isn't a suitable yard dog for someone else.

^Very well put.

These type of antagonizing threads/posts are best posted up on Facebook. This kinda sh*t fits right in on there, but not here. I won't even comment further because clearly this thread was started just to ruffle feathers.

Looks like PETA done ruffled some feathers.   
Open mouths with empty heads proves ignorance

i likes that 1 jody.  :D

I'm wondering, why can't you trust them past 50%?  If it's because they might snatch a dog instead of a hog....DUH. Who would of thought that a dog bred for animal/dog aggression might do such a thing. If it's for another reason, then maybe you haven't had as good of ones as you think. JMO.

It is more the fact of what they are capable of.  Ypu said it in bred for animal/dog agression.  We are just animals in the long run.

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I would say you are a kid and know nothing about any kind of dog. If you have ever owned a good bulldog you wouldn't say anything like you said for no reason it's no other dog like them or any other animal for the matter. For a dog to not quit because it's guts are cut out and he's stepping all over them in a briar patch is extreme stanama and heart no other dog will do this a good bulldog won't let you down because it's not like people and won't quit. You might need to look into the dogos or something of that nature might be a little more your kinda style from what it sounds like

The board pretty much covered the responses I would have given. I would just add that no matter how "old" a person is whatever they say is still just their opinion and in this case I don't know that I even believe there was and "oldtimer" to begin with.

Understood PBC. I just don't understand why people are surprised when a bulldog goes after another dog when they are expected to go for the hog. I thought you were more than likely referring to that when you said you wouldn't trust them. Besides the obvious of not trusting them around other dogs or animals, I trust my bulldogs almost 100%, and always would. IMO There is not a better or loyal breed.

Wow what some people do just 2 get attention

What amazes me is the lack of knowledge concerning the purpose for the breeding of the original "bulldogs" and the breeding of the "pit" bulldogs. Two completely different dogs, bred for two completely different purposes, at least in Florida, where I'm from ;) One is bred to work and the other is bred to fight. A dog whose "catch" can not be controlled is a cull, whether it is a bulldog or a cur.

  Ha. I would be shocked if my bulldog caught a dog instead of a hog. Pretty sure I might even get a blister from my shovel.

Lol
We all are willing to tolerate different things in animals, my tolerance is pretty short.  If a bull dog will catch a dog he isn't thinking!!

  I'm pretty sure you couldn't send this bull dog threw a group of cows & calves to catch a hog in the middle of them.

Bull breeds are not a 'type' for everyone. They take a higher level of experience, handling, patience, responsibility, and ownership than the average dog. That about sums it up. People don't like certain known prominent traits and characteristics of bull type dogs, (i.e. high prey drive, animal aggression) don't own one, simple as that. No need for anyone to bash a whole genre of dogs, just because you personally don't care for them, or have had sh*t luck and owned a few poor examples of the type.

Hope im not taken as bashing them because that is not my intent. I have one left on my yard and like him a lot.

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When it comes to bulldogs and trust to me it's a fine line. I know bulldogs are not what they show in the news. I know they aren't lassie either. To me one has to respect a bulldog but at the same time demand respect from the dog. HA I will not tolerate I don't care if it could catch an elephant and skin it to. I don't want one that's DA either. Now getting a lil possessive over the kill after stuck don't bother me. They are bulldogs not labs. They come with a personality that has to be learned.

A bad dog is a bad dog I don't care the breed. Once a dog registers that to me it don't live here no more.


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Are we talking about the original "working" bulldog? Or the "pit" bulldog? I was speaking of the "pit" bulldog. And that breed is a animal aggressive dog as most of us know, so they may do just fine passing dogs and catching hogs for a certain period of time but you can't act too surprised if they catch a dog eventually. IMO it's wonderful that there's a way to work the breed I love without risking legal troubles but I think some need to keep in mind what the dog was originally bred for. Some people are EXPECTING these dogs to NOT do what they were orginally bred to do. I understand it's the idea to recognize the difference between a dog and a hog but that's not what they were bred to do. I want to be clear, I don't condone a dog catching another dog but I'm very aware that it's the dogs instinct to catch whatever animal is in front of them so I wouldn't be surprised if it happened, no matter how many times the dog has passed dogs to catch a hog. I'm also not speaking about the everyday pitbull either, I'm speaking of a real deal bulldog.
It's easy to take folks typing the wrong way since you can't hear the tone in voice or facial expressions and because of that I want it to be very clear I understand what everybody is saying, I'm not arguing, just stating how I feel about the situation.

That is why I steer clear of game breed dogs. They make great dogs true enough but the issues they increase I'm not willing to risk. I have know folks that ran true game dogs that never had a problem for the life of the pit. Never once caught anything but pork. When it was game time they knew the target. Now u didn't haul them in the box or on the wheeler side by side with a bay dog or another cd


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That's the issue with using incorrect terms. Pit bulls are terriers, developed for a specific purpose and then dual tasked as CDs. Their 1st and foremost job was the box now people want to complain about DA and rant about it...? Explain to me how this makes sense.

I disagree with the game dog statements , I have several I use and they are the best there is , I can run all five together with no problems , they are not going to catch a dog or attack one , I train to socialize from a young age , teach them lots in the first yr , no doubt they will catch so I don't worry about that in the first yr , just dogs people , cows , chickens ect. , my dogs are reg , from chinaman , frisco , old family reds , I believe you get what you put into it , a game bred pit get built up frustration , so if you leave it on a chain and don't exercise and give a job , socialize , you will have a beast , if you don't know how to be a firm PAC leader the dog will run over you , you also need to learn each ones personality , game bred pits arent for all but if you take the time and teach well you will have the best dog you have ever seen , they are far from stupid and learn ways to keep from sustaining damage , they will die on that hog for you and not afraid of any size hog ,

I wish all of the na-sayers could meet my game bred red red nose named lil red, he was raised in a cow pasture with chickens and cows, he was a sight to see actually playing with the calves! He is the only bulldog I've ever put my brand on. He not only isn't in any way dog people or livestock agressive but he is actually the only dog my wife (who is verry dog timmed) is fear free from. He will be at a bay from as far as he can hear it and be caught till the life has left him! I know this thread was started with intent to only start drama, but come on... Were here to promote this sport as it says in the title online before you can even join on here. So for all the negative nancies starting these negative comments, stick to your jerry springer shows n let this be a positive for the sport. We. Have enough haters and naysayers trying to take our hunting rights and dog privilages without you starting unnessary drama.

Very true and a great statement

I am a Bulldog man with 35 yrs with these dogs and the last thing you will ever see me do is brag on how good they are around other dogs and livestock and such. I have brought a couple down and hunted them and they were very good around other dogs and understood pigs were the target. BUT, there are times when you can't control every variable in the equation. Don't let yourself be fooled into thinking your bulldog won't do this or that because over a lifetime you will get proven wrong at some point. I'm not sayin, don't trust them but be vigilant. 

I agree, ,i believe some of yall trust yalls bulldogs 100% and Im sure they behave nicely..but lets say the neighbors 5 year old kid walks up to the bulldog while his on the chain and grabs his food bowl he mite get his faced licked and nothing happens but it could also be a disaster.

Not bashing them by any means i own a couple my self..but just like it was said before {{Bull breeds are not a 'type' for everyone. They take a higher level of experience, handling, patience, responsibility, and ownership than the average dog.}}

x2...when I turn my cur dogs loose in my back yard I am somewhat attentive and I will be listening...about the only time I pay close attention is if a female is locked up and in heat...

when I have an APBT I am watching closely...the difference between APBT's and other dogs is that they will finish what they start...and once they don't like the other dog it could be a problem...

When y'all say Bulldogs are we talking pits, AB, or just Bulldogs in general? I have a few AB's and wouldn't trade them in for anything. I even trust them more to watch the kids then the average baby sitter.lol.All my ABs are loyal, trustworthiness, and fun to be around. Did I mention hog stopping machines.  I use mine as a pet, hog catcher and in the show ring where in 2012 I was top points for Texas. Yea, I'm a little biased with the bulldogs.lol(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/14/savagaqy.jpg)

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I was talking about the one and only APBT. Not the everyday  "mutt pitbull", but the original American Pitbull Terrier.
And I was stating simply what WOW stated. Maybe he worded it better than me, I don't know.

Lol! Got ya....

Yes.. this is exactly my thoughts and why I supported Treezbulldogs post. If you get an apbt don't be upset is something does happen and definitely don't go on a public forum to rant about it and blame the entire breed for your choices and handing decisions.

Not gonna lie a bull dog is a bull dog. there are going to be mean arrogant and there will be nice easy goin ones. i have 3 now but ive had about 20 over the years and ive only had 1 cross another dog and start a fight. i dont know what dot into him that day but he didnt stay at my house much longer. anyways a dog no matter the breed will reflect the personality of his owner more than anything else. treat the dog good and respect it and it will respect you and never cross you.

"Not gonna lie" sounds like a fact when you're actually only expressing your opinion. A bulldog is a bulldog is almost the most incorrect statement I've heard on this site about bulldogs. Right next to the "lock jaw" comment LOL both are laughable.....

I love a good pit always have that don't mean I have a closed eye if you do you will have an issue at some point here is one of mine he is one of the best dogs I have ever had of any breed (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/14/ytuhe5av.jpg)


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I don't think he was referring to any kind of human aggression in his quoted statement....I believe he was referring to never trusting 100% that in any given situation, a bulldog won't wind up in a dog fight, or hitting a different target (animal wise.) Bulldogs (APBT's as we are now discussing) better NOT be biting a kid that wanders up to their food pail. I have a few, and if any of them ever so much as looked at me or my kids sideways while they were eating that'd be the end of that chapter.

Thank you Ms L

I was gonna say using terms like that is part of the confusion in this thread, but I am glad someone else pointed it out. I don't have pits and I thought it was directed my breed at 1st glance until TreezB pointed it out. Referring to a dog based on its "job" is different than referring to a particular "breed" and we need to be clear here.

Sandbank I got him from a buddy of mine down south east of temple


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That's why I have a 1/2 lab, 1/2 bull dog.   ;D 

Hard to keep her out of the water sometimes.  Only dog I've ever seen that will swim under water. 

Hell ive got a full blood pit that loves water more than any lab ive ever seen. I have to lead him in close to bay. If i let him go a ways to the bay I will find him playn n the water somewhere! Lol. Suits me fine tho

In any dog breed you find dogs that will fight other dogs over food or whatever. I've had a few yellow dogs that were bad to the bone the wrong person with the wrong attitude could get one of these and they were as bad as any bulldog around as far as fighting and being mean.

Same here kerreydw, my cur dogs are hugely illtempered towards fighting over food, mating rights and 1, just a plain ole' a$$hole for some reason. I had a yeller that weighed 50lbs soaking wet with a vest on, he piled on a pit that had a 30+lb advantage over the cur. The pit didnt back initiate the fight, but didnt back down either. They both held their own, but that pit was big teddy bear n the only problem with him, he would lick ya to death in excitement before he dared growl at ya.

They are alright if you just get them a decent handler like I did LMAO!!!!
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   that's just plum indecent   lol   I wouldn't trust my girls around them two horn dogs   lol  !!!!!!!!!!!! 

Them doggies seen excited to be with that young lady lol

wait theres a dog in that picture?  :o ;D

Roo, you have a lovely daughter. Lol

lmao hell yeah Chris I'm with you


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Nice handler, but dang, those are some nice AB's she has worked up there. Are those yours? If so, how are they bred?

Amokabs...yes they were a couple of my catch dogs...The dog on the left of screen came off alan scots yard,he is by his "mikey" dog out of "star" and the blue eyed dog on the right came straight out of the hood in dallas tx. Both super high prey drive and I guess just like me they had an appreciation for cosmetic upgrades ;)

I guess i need to go see Alan and look into a catchdog.

Usually with a decent catch dog after you have lead him in to a couple of bays and let him catch a pig or two they know what's up. If he catches a dog while they are working a pig after this you bet he's a cull.but you should know this before you get even close to having the dog in the woods.

I'm always cautious with catch dogs ive had. Especially when my kids are out running around even though I know nothing is prolly going to happen. There is always that thought in the back of my head. In the woods theres always different scenario's that could throw up some situation that the dogs get into it or a catch might nik you or a dog theres no telling in the heat of the moment what could happen. Treat em like a loaded Gun!!

I owned bulldogs for nearly 30 years . I can honestly say I have never been bitten by a Pit Bull Dog are Bulldog as I call them.  Its not that the bulldogs are worthless what it is for the most part a big big part is the people that own them make them worthless because a ton of them are worthless themselves and have no clue as to what they are doing are how they should do it  !  All they know is I gotta Pit Bull am a bad bad man on this www and to tell you the truth most aint number 2 when it comes face to face !   Worthless you say na a long long way from it bro .

When I say worthless people I am referring to all these  bangers all these people that walk up and down the streets with bulldogs and aint got a damn clue .  All the internet breeders puppy peddling mills that just breed to breed.  You know you take a dog that has been bred for years on top of years for a purpose like bulldogs have and he gets in the hands of a knuckle head he takes this dog and breeds it to all his banger buddys scatter bred chit and the next thing you know you got a pile of unstable worthless dogs just like their owners.  Now these dogs get picked up put in pounds, given away here and there , run the streets and everything else  .   What its amounts to is unstable bulldogs why because it goes all the way back to the first breeding of when the knuckle head got a holt of a great bred dog and he bred it to all the scatter bred junk.   That's like breeding Boy George to Hulk Hogan what do you think is gonna come out of that ?  I can tell ya some lame brained unstable Mofo's now you got them running all over the place and in the wrong hands.  Now they are in the News Pappers , on all the news channels, internet and everywere else  for eating kids alive .     

Now is it the dogs fault ?  Hell no it aint its the damn worthless owners !  If I got a bulldog that is goanna eat me up are try to bite anybody guess what matter of fact if he even looks wrong at me are someone else ,  He aint living threw the day are the night .  He is were he belongs kicking up daisy's and the people that aint got the knowledge are the guts to cull these kind damn sure don't need them and its their on fault if the dog eats some body up now the dogs  .  Humans are suppose to be smarter than the dogs they are handling don't ya think ?

Excuse the Rant here but it just pisses me off.

What people do not understand about a bulldog is this.  If you got the best bred bulldog in the world from all tested lines yes you got a loaded gun but also what you got is a stable loaded gun .  If you got some scatter bred Banger BS bulldog are some bulldog you know nothing about you also got a loaded gun except now you got a unstable loaded gun with deep mental issues threw all the scatter breeding its not like regular dogs are hunting dogs its different with bulldogs because of what they were bred for and many hundreds of years .  Now this people is what a unstable bulldog is and yes you may have owned him for five years and yes he may have never offered to even look at you wrong .  But then one day out of the blue this dog comes unglued for no reason and it don't take but one time around a kid are anybody really.   All this chit in the news papers, news channels , internet news I can almost guarantee you its because of the reason I just wrote .  I cannot even think of one time it was ever from a real breeder of bulldogs .    That's the difference folks in a loaded gun and a unstable loaded gun !

AMEN BROTHER!!!

I agree with you Jimmy. I just think most people should not have them, go get a dog with less prey drive. Much easier to handle. I also 100% agree with way out west. You have to respect a bulldog especially if they are a gamebred one. Also what most people call gamebred and what I consider gamebred are different but as much as I love my gamebred bulldogs, and I have had them that I could trust with other dogs I would never leave one unsupervised with another one, just not worth the risk. Why do it? If keeping them supervised or seperated is too much for you then bulldogs are not the right breed for you imo.

It also show why its important to differ btx pitbulls and other bull breeds like Abs. Different jobs, different focus. when you say "bulldogs" no one can tell what breed is being talked about.

Yes sir what I am talking about are Pit Bulls.  I have always called them bulldogs just old ways I guess.  Didn't mean to get on a rant about it .  I agree with you RedNose most people should not even own a Pit Bull they are just not a lap dog are for persons that have no ideal about what they got .

I have a habit of callin an apbt a "bulldog" too Mr. Jimmy, when I got into the sport all the older guys that i hunted with and helped me get started simply called em bulldogs and so did I, never did really think that much about it but I can see where the confusion comes from.

Yeah the word use is something that was passed down. If you google Salley the bulldog war hero and look up her picture and statue that was made for her.. she was actually a staffy bull.

I'm not familiar too much with the hunting man terms and lingo. But I've always referred to the working "game" APBT as a bulldog. If I was speaking of something else, I'll refer to it as AB, Standard bulldog, Olde bulldog etc. Or if I'm speaking of just a "pitbull" from off the streets, then it's a "pit bull looking dog".  The term "bulldog" gets used for alot of different breeds but the one IMO it should NOT be used for is the "street pitbull". They are FAR from bulldogs! JMHO.

Yeah Justin the ole school bulldog men called game dogs bulldogs .  Nobody called them Pits are Pit Bulls are anything else it was just plain ole bulldog.  I grew up around a lot of them ole men like  B.H. - J.C - W.A. - J.D. - L.J. - D.D. - M.M.- N.H. and just a ton of them.

Yeah I know Stratton's reason was because he believe the game dog to be the original old english bulldog. I think there is enough evidence out there to show that is not true and the original writings that say Staffy Bulls became Apbts and Amstaffs are true. I believe the old dogmen were referring to the apbts tenacity when they called them Bulldogs.

Also American Pitbulldog was a term used for the original American bulldog stock in certain areas like Alabama. They were called that in addition to white English not because they were pit crosses, but because they were also used in the box or to school pit dogs. The name American Bulldog was coined by Joe Painter because it was too confusing for people who thought the dogs were pit bulls simply because of the name. Really the term bulldog came from dogs being used on Bulls, so if you think about it, the word "bulldog" doesn't apply to apbts, Staffys etc for being used in the box, the word "pit" does.

Thank you texashogdogs , it upsets me also , I by no means have the knowledge you have or way out west has , but have a great blood line of pits , I cherish them and have learned them , and they are very smart , and worthy in all aspects , you just need the right person or PAC leader or trainer , not for anyone for sure but for sure not junk by no means

The thing about a loaded gun is this...a loaded gun, in and of itself, has never...ever caused any problems. Now, you put an idiot in the same AO as that loaded gun and somebody is gonna get hurt...

Yes Double Jeopardy !  Idiot handler that's probably unstable himself and Unstable Bulldog .  You got a ticking time bomb !

Your exactly right Jimmy, just like Underdog said and I would just like to add a little to it.

Junk Handlers + any dog = junk problems

Have been raising bulldogs for over 20 years now and I can tell you, and prob some of the others guys have seen the same but so many good dogs never get a fair chance cause they get ruined by their handlers, they were just owned by the wrong people.

Red nose you got that right for sure


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The most reliable dogs I have ever seen were bulldogs I have never had a bulldog with a shirt temper I've had cur dogs and hounds that were more willin to bite your a$$ before a bulldog would its how there raised (in my opinion) there's good and bad in all breeds some with short tempers some that can get beat near to death and still come up to you wantin you to pet them bulldogs have to be reliable in hog hunting some dont have it in em some do it all depends on how much heart they have for it and I've seen cats and yella dogs and hounds be worthless but there are some that are ideal for huntin all of this is my opinion

Bull chit!!!  Junk dogs = junk problems.

Underdog got it right and summed it up in the least amount of words for sure.  This applies the most for bulldogs because they can do the most amount of damage in the shortest amount of time !

x2...and once they fire up good they want to finish the job...

Ol man I used to hunt with had an old yella male that was his best dog for 6+ years and crippled several other male dogs that he got in the past. Didn't have a lick of bulldog in him, he was just real dominant in the yard. In the woods he was a totally different dog. And to be honest the most aggressive breed I've ever seen was a chow. There were about five in the neighborhood I grew up in and would hit the fence when I wood walk by, snarling and growling and biting the fence. To this day I wouldn't own a chow if someone paid me, they scare the chit out of me ha

Pros- Bulldogs hunt. Tree squirrel. Catch hogs.. Babysit the kids and protect the property.
Cons- GOOD bloodlines are very people AGGRESSIVE.  If your bulldog isn't aggressive , you have a p.o.s according to breed standards. Point blank- They bite.  They will kick another's dogs butt and probably ruin it... But have never seen one start a fight... Never seen one back down a either..  I know bulldogs that hunt deeper and harder than most of you guys cur dogs.. Yeah if they catch it, they prolly gonna killed it... Go figure when you own 120 pounds of muscle that dream about biting something every night.    The real problem is grown ass men are buying these dogs because they have the money.... But didn't take 2 seconds to learn what the dog is or is capable of.. Then they get mad and go on about how their dogs are doing exactly what it was breed to do.  American bulldog = best catch dog in the world+ one of the Most aggressivet People biter. They love and will die for its family.
Pit bulls= fighting dog.. Point blank.  If your PITBULL isn't fighting.... Then you have a P.o.s.   You damn right it jumped on your hunting dog. "Wtf" it supposed to.    The rest are mostly mixed breeds of the 2 or God know what....  Just because you spent big money on a big dog, doesn't mean it is  what you think it is..  This is a forum dealing with dog and dogmen...  All i see is whining and crying cause you spent your money on papers and pretty kennnel set ups! You walk right by the ole timer dogman who has a line of dogs his family been breeding for generations. You got mad because his dogs where tied to a tree or pole.. And lives in a chewed up house...   Yeah people walk right by these old bloodlines and go buy junk cause some one was waving papers and showing off how much money they spent one housing for their dogs.  Most are too dang dumb to realize that when they go buy an expensive dog, they are paying mostly for the nice set up they dog lives in as well and the owners big house. (Bigger than your) and that fancy ass car and monster truck in the yard. Yeah y'all like giving these type of people your money just so you can go back and brag on how much your spent and what all it's suppose to be on paper.. BOTTOM LINE.. Get your dogs from DOGMEN... Not from somebody that just stuck 2 dogs together and only been dealing with  dogs since they started chasing pigs ..  Keep buying dreams because people will keep selling you one .... !!!

Real apbt are NOT human aggressive. Try handling a human aggressive dog in the sandbox.. human aggressive dogs were and on my yard culled

Dogboy, it's dang hard to not just jump down your throat after the stupid generalizations you are making. There are so many differences within a breed of dogs and you are lumping them all in one category. I hope you live long enuf to figure some of them out.

Judge peel, who is it that you know around Temple? Just wondering cuz I also live in Temple.

I guess your pitbulls don't fight either huh?  ;D............damn these junk dogs!

Thank you.

120 lbs...? People aggressive?

Sir, this is no indication of an American bulldog. I raise working abs. I track the lineages and know whats in them and what is not in them.  Good working weight doesn't exceed 100 lbs and mine top out in the 80's. I know of some in the 90's that work out great in the woods as well. Another thing is they aren't people aggressive unless they are provoked. Anyone who knows dogs understand a confident dog is outgoing and has no reason to be outwardly aggressive until called upon. A dog that is aggressive without provocation is a liability and most of the time acting out of fear. And just fyi I have worked with well known trainers on disposition evaluation of bulldogs including the late Tom Richie. So I am not just posting an opinion without having done the research. Sounds like your working with JDJ stock, and since you mentioned people over paying for big dog stock that people think is cool? That's exactly what JDJ stock is.

Hey sambo pm me and we can talk I don't know if them boys want there names on here

Crib I agree and I ain't saying I ain't ever said some dumb stuff in my years on earth but some people just know it all lol

Nice post content Crib. Good points. I'm not touching the apbt comment but I will say on the American bulldog comment.... Mine is not aggressive. He will however eat your arse if he knows that you are a stranger and not supposed to be here. Whenever we have people out to the property for a reason, he will alert us, but when we tell him it's okay he settles down. Remains alert, but quiets down. He's not a nutty snarling aggressive monster that just loses his mind when he sees someone he doesn't know. He has a good natural sense.


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Pit bulls= fighting dog.. Point blank.  If your PITBULL isn't fighting.... Then you have a P.o.s.   You damn right it jumped on your hunting dog. "Wtf" it supposed to. (I guess ive had p.o.s. pits my whole life then) oh well ive always been satisfied long as they catch a hog how I want them too) some of the p.o.s. pits Ive had would fight back after they were jumped on. That kinda situation got rectified pretty quick some way or another tho. I like pits! Happy with them! To each his own

As far as a "pit" (no such thing anymore, as "pitting" dogs is illegal) bulldog being a "p.o.s" because it doesn't fight.....

Pre 1976, there were Ch's and GrCh's known to cohabitate (under supervision) with other dogs peacefully. There's photo documentation and even some video footage of a GrCh playing in a yard with a bunch of obnoxious pups.

Just because a bulldog (APBT) isn't losing it's mind at the mere sight of another dog most certainly mean it's a "p.o.s." according to the "breed standard."

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LoL it was suppose to have been a quote like this