EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

With every thing I have read I still can not make heads or tails out of what's going on. If it was just the grazing rights money why all the snipers? Why kill the cattle? If you wanted money you would sell them to pay off the feed lean?

   it's the government .  but I am afraid mr. bundy blew it when he did an interview yesterday and sounded like a fool with his remarks about welfair  and it's recipients . as a result the majority of his supporters in congress and the senate are fleeing from the issue .  there is way more to this than grazing rights and money .

Now the blm is trying to take a lot of land on the red river . They are even trying to take the boyscouts camp and bldgs away. They told one of our friends that they would be taking his house and barns also. A lot of blood will b shed if they try it.

Imminent Domain...

is the power to take private property for public use by a state or national government. However, it can be legislatively delegated by the state to municipalities, government subdivisions, or even private persons or corporations when they are authorized to exercise functions of public character.

there aught to be a law against it...or pay the value x 5...and if the value is anticipated to go up because of something else nearby that will cause the value to go up...then that price should be figured in x 5 as well...

imminent domain my ass. it may be real, but so are the bullets out of folks weapons. I'm with muleskinner's friend on them coming in to take anything. they need bring their own body bags, i only got 1 and its for me

Just because it's yours don't mean forever!  Pipe lines, highways, parks, lakes, will all have priority over private citizens.


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I just heard the complete dialogue, not the new york times edited version, and  mr. Bundy was estolling the hard work and family values of the Mexican people he has been associated with. The reporter from NYT had an agenda to make him look like a rascist, and they edited his comments to achieve that goal.

So u would be happy and reluctant to roll over and let them take ur land, land that may have been in ur family for generations, or land that u spent most of ur life getting it the way u want it and plan on giving it to ur children for their future?

My dads n my land fall into that i-59 aka: nafta supper highway corridore over in east tx. Ill be damned if my dad or i will allow them to come in and take it just so the gov can hav a transit hwy from mexico to canada to move comadaties in and out of our country so it can be assembled at a cheaper labor rate but yet keep the smae high price and profit for the rich people and politicians. NOT gonna happen, at least while either my pops or me are still alive.

I didn't say I liked it I'm saying it's been happening. 


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   lol  I am going to give it to you as straight forward as I can , NOBODY OWNS LAND IN AMERICA EXCEPT THE GOVERNMENT .  after you pay the asking price for where ever you settle and pay it off all you are doing is leasing the land from a government entity . if you think I'm wrong , quit paying your taxes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!    that is all taxes are is lease fees  .

 the government is owned by the american people, thats why we, in you words "get out and vote". so it the american people own the government and the government claims "ownership" of the land, then we as americans, own our land. they may win in the end, but ill take as many with me as possible, even that is only 1, its still 1 less oxygen abuser.

  Have to agree 110% with halfbreed! Our government doesn't even have us or our country in their best interest. Greed has taken a death grip on our country. Sadly I believe looking through out history, maybe we have always been that way?

My place is paid off and it still costs me almost $400 a month in taxes for the right to live there!

Charles, you sound so stupid....lets hope the one less oxygen abuser is you.

Charles  what you are saying makes plenty sense to me.

Let me get out of afghanistan and u can come on down n we'll see who leaves horizontaly.

U also seem to be a person out of touch with reality. Walking around like most of the american sheepeople. If u think our government has our intrests at heart, u r the stupid one, that needs ur O2 supply cut off. U are more of the problem of whats wrong in this country, u provide no solution, and if ur not part of the solution, ur part of the problem. This country needs the final solution to cleanse it from the spoils of greed and control. No form of government that abuses their people lasts, look at history. Hopefully idiots such as urself will be in the history books, the books that show our future generations an example of what NOT to be or do. There is a special place in he!! for ur kind.

So, I am going to hell because I don't agree with you???? Man you are full of yourself. You go around posting on the web things like:  "NOT gonna happen, at least while either my pops or me are still alive"..... or "they need bring their own body bags, i only got 1 and its for me" and have the nerve to talk about a good example for future generations. I hope that future generations understand, that trailer and five acres aint worth dying for, and if they are productive law abiding citizens they can accomplish a lot more in life.

WHAT THE!!! a mans place aint worth dyin for ? i dont care how big or small it is .sounds like you'ld take the coward way out  and just give in to em. we got a foe list on here?

 tusk buster, i would agree, a coward. a spineless person can't fight for whats his and whats right, but would prefer to just roll over n take it like a prison ho. 

Anything is worth dying for "if" you are in the right.   But taking a one man stand against the gov. and a law that applies to all citizens is not a good ideal, and suggesting to die for that cause would not be considered wise.

it's like this folks , i'll fight the baddest sob in the county over a nickel if I WORKED FOR IT and i figure he's gonna come back next time for a dime !

                           

                                         AND I'LL PLAN ON WINNING AT ALL COST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if our forefathers hadn't beleived that way , we'd still be part of england  !

The way I see it is as long as you stand behind what you believe and don't back off that's not a coward just a different stance. That what I served my country for was to protect the views and rights of our  fellow man the government ain't always right in our personal views but I can say this with fact try bitching bout government in Eastern Europe or the Middle East or Asia and see if you will be there long you will take a dirt nap faster then some of your no count cur dog education is a powerful tool  arrogance of that education is not   

Exactly!!!!

Englands laws applied to everbody in the colonies, but yet a good majority viewed englands laws and rules to an infrindgement upon the growth of the colonies for a self sustained way of life, not a sustainment of profit for the king.
Without their belief of freedom and independance of the colonies and fighting for that, this country would not have been able to obtain the freedoms we have and are loosing today.

I will not yeild to full government control and domination of me and my family. Any man who will yield to that is a coward. Some1 who will lets other fight and or die in their stead but yet reap the rewards from the blood, sweat n tears of the fighters and fallen.

I served 13yrs n was discharged for a broken back n blown out ankles n knees, my service came with a cost, but it didnt come with thought of laying down and having the government screw me or any other citizen. My oath was to defend against ALL enemies, foriegn AND DOMESTIC, and right now the enemy is our own government. Contray to popular belief and views, our constitution and independance doesnt come with an expiration date. It states life liberty and the persuit of happiness is our rights. Well i do have life, our liberties are being stripped away 1 by 1 and the persuit of happiness does NOT entail forfieture of my rights, freedom or liberties just bc some purchased politicians says so.

EASY THERE FRANCIS!  >:D ................if he thinks you sound stupid for your comments its apparent he ain't playin with a full deck himself...........don't let the goobers get you down amigo!

PREACH BROTHER JDT, PREACH!

If we do not stand up and say enough is enough then we will be bent over farther and farther until we are kissing our knee caps asking what the hell happened!

"the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson ................. I have seen that quote posted a few times on different forums here lately and in my opinion I believe that in our life time we will see it happen, and I also believe it is not too terribly far down the road. At some point the American people going to say "ALRIGHT ENOUGH IS ENOUGH." ................ In my opinion the taking of privately owned land by the government will be a HUGE factor in the next uprising............I dont know the time nor place it will happen but I truely believe that "IT" will happen and most if not all of us will be around to see it and when it does its gonna be BIG.

        I guess this all goes back to that'' KARMA '' girl ya'll keep talking about  lol   only this time she is on the American Indians side  . !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  what comes around goes around  . 

100% agreed.

 Government White man screwed over the natives and stole their land. Ut happened to them AND still happening now

Aww, im still standing. Plus my anger meds have been working to control my temper. Hope to be outa here most ricky tick.

Psychiatrists Are the New Federal Gun Control Agents and Political Thought Police





 





Dave Hodges April 27, 2014





The Common Sense Show











The Obama administration has a new partner in crime and it is the American Psychiatric Association (APA).  The APA created the new Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (5th Edition) which was recently adopted. DSM 5 is highly controversial and has sparked outrage from the mental health practitioners. As many of these practitioners point out, the new DSM-V makes a pathology out simple and normal behaviors such as grieving for the loss of a loved one.





This constitutes a new subjective approach in diagnosing of mental illness that it promises  to end free speech and any form of political dissent. The federal government has already declared anyone who oppose its unconstitutional policies as having “political paranoia,”  which is now diagnosed as a type of mental illness.





Psychiatry Targets Internet Conspiracy Theorists





Particularly disturbing is that the new manual targets internet users and conspiracy theorists. If someone is judged, by some vague set of criteria, to spend too much time on the internet, they could be judged to be mentally ill and ineligible to own a gun. How are you receiving this information? The chances are that you are, at least according to Obama and Biden, giving in to your internet addiction and reading this article. Under the new Obama guidelines this would be grounds for gun confiscation. The alternative media is

predicated on internet readership and listenership. These groups would be among the first groups to oppose a martial law crackdown, and now they are the first to be targeted.





Subsequently, this is just another backdoor method to disarm citizens who would oppose the abject tyranny being imposed upon America. And these facts sum up what is truly behind the Obama administration’s latest attack upon gun ownership because they want to prey upon a defenseless nation by disarming as many of us as possible before the purges can begin in earnest.





Under Obama’s new proposed gun regulations, anyone who has a diagnosable, or is potentially diagnosable (i.e. pre-crime) for being mentally ill, can have their gun confiscated. Vice President Biden even feels that they can violate HIPPA privacy regulations in requiring the states to report who has been treated for a mental illness. Therefore, in the name of confiscating your gun, this administration thinks it is acceptable to violate federal privacy laws.





What is interesting to me is that the Obama administration is not even trying to distinguish between mental illnesses in terms of who should, or should not own a gun. In the eyes of the Obama administration, all mental illnesses are created equal. A person with a phobia is just as dangerous as a sociopath. One in six Americans have a “diagnosable anxiety disorder”. This is completely understandable given the economic and political times that we live in. However, under the new proposed guidelines, all of these people would be ineligible to have a gun in their possession even though there is not a shred of research which indicates this population would be inclined towards gun violence any more than any other population.





I once predicted that any form of political protest would be demonized and used as the basis for the administration of assignment a mentally ill label upon anyone who disagrees with the government.





Political Schizophrenia





This is the new  Soviet style political schizophrenia. We will see confinements among the alternative media and the veterans for things like ADHD, grieving, normal anxiety, bad eating habits, etc. All of these behaviors and more have been categorized as pathologies under the Obama administration and a supportive American Psychiatric Association.





Oppositional Defiant Disorder Is the Newest Weapon Against Political Dissent





When I went through my clinical training, the Bible of mental illness, The Statistical and Diagnostic Manual (DSM-4r) defined Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD) as a highly controversial mentally illness used to describe children and teens as mentally ill they exhibited disobedience and defiance. When I was first nationally credentialed, most practitioners did not take this diagnosis seriously and we mistakenly believed that it would fade away. We uniformly believed this to be true because defiance and oppositional behaviors are hallmark traits of healthy rebellion exhibited by children and teens as they seek independence. Rather than ODD fading away, the diagnosis has become the tool of the ruling elite.





The new DSM (5) has expanded the definition of ODD to include adults who exemplify “paranoid ideation” about the government and frequently express these delusional ideations on the internet.





In its analysis of the political abuse of psychiatry in both the Soviet Union and China, The Journal of the American Academy of Psychiatry and the Law. stated that “Psychiatric incarceration of mentally healthy people is uniformly understood to be a particularly pernicious form of repression, because it uses the powerful modalities of medicine as tools of punishment, and it compounds a deep affront to human rights with deception and

fraud…”





Conclusion





The Obama people are trying to take this country down a very slippery slope. They are seeking to disarm as many Americans as possible with all available means such what has been described in this article.





The historical precedent, and subsequent danger of seizing guns under such a false pretense, has been well-established. Therefore, I will not belabor a well-established point, that all 19 genocides in the 20th century were preceded by gun confiscation. Why should we consider Obama’s recent actions to be any less threatening of deadly?





What is even more frightening, is the new ODD diagnosis will not just seize guns. It will commandeer a person’s mind through incarceration, for their own good of course, and forced drugging which will chemically castrate the brains of all arrested political dissidents.





We already know that Obamacare forces doctors to ask the gun ownership status of their patients. It is not a leap of logic that anyone owning a gun will soon be diagnosed with yet another manufactured mental illness tied to gun ownership.





I would like to hear from psychiatrists. Are you going to support this tyranny? Or, are you going to be an Oathkeeper to your profession and “do no harm” to your patients? Or, will you capitulate and goose-step your way through the new political prisons in America and do your part to suppress liberty?











 





 http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2014/04/27/psychiatrists-are-the-new-federal-gun-control-agents-and-political-thought-police/

Yep, another way for the gov to have total control of its citizens. Continuous violations of our civil liberties and constitutional rights is a for sure sign that this form of government HAS to be removed, and a NEW government established!!!!! All u vets with ptsd, hide or burry ur guns, that goes for anyone who has went to shrink for any kinda of theropy.

This government is NOT a democratic form, but more over a communist form. Our gov looks down upon north korea, russia, viet nam, china and several other countries for oppressing their people with full government control, but yet OUR own gov is doing it toUS and yet nothing is gonna be done, not till its to late. To late to even try to mount any kind of defense of our rights. Voting does NOT help, it only allows for lesser of 2 evils to be elected, when there should NOT be any evil elected to a position with the power to control their citizens with midnight voting, stripping away our rights 2 by 2.

Thanks ruben for posting that. I had herd of the docs asking about guns but never thought of my dislike for the way our gov is run to be a mental disorder!

The way I understood it was the gov told the man his cows couldn't graze on public land without paying grazing fees or something like that. I like that everyone is so passionate about fighting for what's theirs, and if the land belonged to this man I would understand everyone's reaction. But I never saw where they tried to take the mans property or anything. Now granted, I don't see what business it is of the governments as to where his cows graze. That would seem to me like more of a state or local issue. Just my thoughts on it from what I understand of it. Hope everyone has a good weekend


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oh, and who the he!! are you or any1 else to determine what is right or wrong when it comes to taking, no correct that, stealing land away from the owners for what those thieves would call "for the better of the people in whole", not just for 1 or 2 or 3. ur just as ludicrous as the politicians who thinks its right to do it in the first place.

The APA has done more than the ACLU to bring America to the gutter.

let's clarify , what exactly did the court decide on mr. bundys case ? anybody know besides me ?

Yes, the courts ordered Mr. Bundy not to trespass on federal land.

In the 80's, Bundy had a permit with the BLM to graze his cattle on federal land.  In the early 90's, he decided not to renew it and no longer pay grazing fees.  The BLM eventually sued him and the courts prohibited him from grazing his cattle on federal lands.  He ignored the court order.

The dispute has lasted 20 years or more.  He has evolved to the argument, not in court, that the federal government shouldn't own any land  ...  therefore he can run his cattle on any land that isn't privately owned.  An argument of a dubious nature.

I do not understand his defenders.  It isn't his land.  He refuses to pay to graze his cattle on it.  Basically, I think he is a freeloader.  Yet some are adamant that he is being wronged.  I don't understand it.

that ain't the way i heard it , i was told the judge decided he was right all along . maybe i was misinformed .

I am unaware of any cases.  In U.S. vs. Bundy (1998) he argued the land wasn't owned by the federal government but he court ruled it was and that he was trespassing and that the government had the right to enforce injunctions on him for trespassing.

In 2012, again U.S. vs. Bundy, the issue was litigated again due to the cattle having relocated to an area not covered by the original court order.

He also lost a court case in which he argued the federal government lacked jurisdiction because they couldn't own land and that the land must be owned by the state.

He has now evolved to the position that 'he' doesn't recognize the federal government as even existing.

I don't see any court agreeing with his legal positions.  Ever.

^^ that seems like a pretty open and shut case. He was Grazing cattle on land that didn't belong to him and didn't want to pay any fees. Doesn't matter who owned the land, be it private, state, or federally owned. It wasn't his, he got caught and then turned it into a big media deal and played the victim. The government didn't take his cattle from his land or take land from his ranch. The property was Federally owned, he knew that and felt it did not matter to him. Plenty of Ranchers graze stock on government land and pay fees every year to do so. He felt the laws did not apply to him and he was wrong.

i'm not as educated on it as i should be . but i'm told that the judge decided that harry reid was wrong ???  i should probly watch the tv more or just keep my mouth shut alltogether .  ;)

you are right


Rough n ready

I've tried to get to the bottom of this situation by listening and reading up on both sides. I'm not sure it can be done as far as legality goes. I think the more important aspect of this case is, that it goes to show that people are sick and tired of the federal government pushing people around. folks just decided to give them a black eye because they had it coming.as far as I'm concerned thats reason enough and trumps all law and court rulings because the law and rulings can be manipulated by shyster lawyers and money but right and wrong stay the same. i think what patriots did was great we should do it more often.It's the governments own fault they are viewed the way they are.Their own corruption has caused this rift between them and us.they are corrupt and need to learn to fear punishment from the people. this needs to happen every time they start acting like a police state. the don't tread on me flag and slogan was born of the government doing just what they are currently doing. I don't know about you all but I feel walked on. This federal government is a behemoth monster that need stood up to. i don't believe armed conflict is the answer but there is no reason we cant have independent militias either. the sheriffs and local law dogs wont stand up and fight them they will let them violate any citizens rights in their jurisdiction without question. sheriffs are elected and are suppose to answer to no government power only the people of there jurisdiction. they swear an oath to the people to protect their constitutional rights elected sheriffs cannot be removed from office by governors or even presidents. They are empowered to raise militia but they never possy up and form a skirmish line on anyones lawn when these federal bullys come without any constitutional authority. sheriffs local police are all really acting as federal agents.they know what the government is doing is wrong but they have no honor or courage and thats the real problem if they did their dutys then there wouldnt be a bunch of "nutjob" militia up on bundys ranch. the first time they stepped foot on his property,(or if his case is not legit many others are) the federal agents would have been surrounded and arrested by their local elected defender of their rights( their county sheriff). END OF PROBLEM!the problem is no one in officialdom wants to sacrifice their life for their oath of office. they think their primary job is chasing drug dealers. they never even realize why they take a oath to defend the constitution. they think them and the fed police are on the same side. they are correct they are both on the side of gutless wonders with no integrity or honor. I dont think any freedom loving american likes the way the milita put the woman and kids out in front for propaganda reasons or particularly likes bundy. he seems like a guy just trying to play by his own rules and throw his big rancher weight around to me, however there is an old saying,"the enemy of my enemy is my friend" i hope more like him decide to stand up in front of this raging runaway bull and stick an estocada right in his hide before they get ran over. wont take to many to bleed the old bull out. if we don't the bull will draw a lot more blood from us in the long run and a confrontation is coming for sure. be it a revolution or a few cliven bundys the feds will win or the states and the people. there just isn't enough power to go around. good job mr bundy you are one of the very few who realize the feds are not your friend. stick em once for me!

yeah , what jagd said !!!!!!!!!!!