EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

That stuff makes mt stomach hurt just watching them kill all those hogs and just leave them to rot!! But whoever mr ray mccullem is wont let them fly his place thank goodness.

Yep they just took out the hog pops where we hunt

I can't believe the anti's haven't stirred some crap up about that, considering the way they are showing it on T.V. so much lately.   I used to be a big Ted Nugent fan but he's leading the heli-hunt campaign on most hunting shows on the outdoor channels.

Whats the difference in death from above and the "hunters" who mow them down from a blind/stand or a dogger who knifes them and leaves them lay. Its gut wrenching either. The antis should go after ANYONE who kills and leaves them to rot.

There's a big difference. When we hunt after the heli hunters have came thru there is hundreds of hogs wounded. They lay there but can't get up to eat or get a drink or out of the hot sun. Everywhere you look hogs that are broke down in the backs or hips. I don't gun hunt period but leaving them hogs laying to die that way is not cool.

There is a difference between Massacre and Sport don't you think ?

I watched the episode tonight and what was posted above is what my wife said and I noticed. Most of the hogs were broke down not dead. This type show to me paints hunters as a whole in a bad light. In most hunting shows they emphasize quick clean kills. In this it is obviously not so. I bet y'all have a raging coyote problem coming. Wonder how these land owners are gonna like loseing even more calves and cows to yotes not to mention the trophy deer.


Shotgun
Arkansas

That last hog he shot with that shotgun he shot 3 times as fast as he could shoot and looked like he blew its leg off and took camera off laughing. Thats BS

That's a lot of meat that could be feeding a lot of hungry folks. What a waste. I feel it is despicable to shoot to kill a game animal, and leave it lay....to rot/go to waste. (I'm not talking about the occasional one hog someone couldn't drag out the woods for some given reason.) Yeah I know, scavengers will pick at them, but when it's in mass quantities like in these fly overs, that crosses the line as far as I'm concerned. They should make whoever is doing the shooting go back and pick up/dress the carcasses....I bet that'd put an end to those fly over shootings, lol. And, showing the wounded/suffering ones (especially on tv) is as stupid as can be. It's GIVING ammunition to all the anti's that want to see all hunting ended. *sigh*

There is no game in it and no sport any rich clown who wants to  do something and this is what happens I understand they opened this door to controll the hogs but it's just a bunch of rich idiots. Heck why don't they let rich people pay to fly around and kill talaband make since to me it's just a racket to make money

^Lol. I agree with you. My biggest problem would be the celebrating over the number of kills that way. If its not in the least bit hard, then how can you celebrate it like a win in the end? I think that goes for any sport.

Your rite if they had to work and pick them up and clean them they wouldnt be so damn excited about killing so many. Wonder what those rotting hogs they kill and leave in the water does to the cows/ deer or whatever drinking from it!!

The episode that I saw they had trucks on the ground picking hogs up and I believe they mentioned donating the meat.

I'll be the first to go against the grain and say I would jump in the chopper if I had an opportunity.

I heard the pilot tell someone the count was 6 at one point. Would I go on a heli. Heck yeah I would. Just like most on here. I don't know 100% if they do or don't pick them up. I would figure more often than not they are left. Picking up that number of hogs and cleaning before they spoil with high temps would be extremely dificult. They cover thousands of acres that's lots of ground to find that many pigs in brush. I do not think it shows hunters in a good light at all regardless.


Shotgun
Arkansas

2 companies and a friend that i know that do heli hunts hav a ground crew go through and dispatch the wounded 1s and pick up the downed 1s for donation or fill their freezers. The people and companies who just leave them to rot and the wounded 1s to die slow should have animal cruilty charges brought against them and the book thrown at them.

The guy that flys out of ennis tx does that hell he flys and shoots on land he was told not to

Thay are killers not hunters. But i know hog doggers the same way that try there best to kill the last one. Then wonder why they cant find a hog or win a tournament. To each there own. 

Yap they cleaned a few places we hunt and I can't stand it


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I don't think I would like it if they were shooting around the places I hunt either. 

But there is two sides to the coin and they are putting a big dent in the population where land owners don't want the pigs.  It is not traditional but effective.

The local farms that I hunt give us a badge that say "hog eradication team" and that what we try our best to do or they will find someone else who will.

U r 100% right jfork, there are 2 sides to that coin.
It is the farmer land, he/she can do as they see fot to rectify the hog problem as they see fit. Maybe in the past they got butned by some hunters n they dont want any form of ground hunting on THEIR land, or maybe the hunters are not able to keep the depridation under control fast enough or with enough positive showings for the farmer and the farmer chooses to hav a heli come in and take care of business.
It all boils down to the land owner's wishes and needs.

At the same time though, if the pilot cant maintain boundry control and fly ONLY on the property they hav permission to fly and shoot on, then they need their license yanked. Those bad apples behind the stick are gonna ruin it for the rest of us pilots, just like hunters hav ruined in the psat for future hunters.
But again, it boils down the land onwers needs, not the wants of some doggers, lead launchers or stick slingers havin the hogs run off the properties surrounding fly over land.

It still doesn't need to be on TV. Regardless of who's decision it might be. I don't have a problem with a landowner doing as he sees fit just putting it out on in the eye of the public.


Shotgun
Arkansas

I agree, if its being done in a manner that reflects negative, it shouldnt be aired.
 I do know from experience in iraq, it aint easy to make cleans shots from an areial platform, especialy using a supression weapon. Even though an ar aint really a supression style weapon, its still hard to pin point bullet placement when the target is running, the shooter is moving, posdibly on 2 different axis, possibly 3.

No I'm sure it's not. Making clean shots on running animals is tough. From a chopper has to be harder. I don't doubt that for a min. With it being harder means the amount of clean shots are far less and needs to be kept off tv.


Shotgun
Arkansas

100% correct. Keep it off tv. But there are a lot of shows that shouldn't be on tv.
Not much on TV while I'm here in Oregon, but ain't nothing to do after work either and I was watching USA, there is a show with 2 homos with a kid. WTF is wrong with the tv industry now days? >:(

I'm not positive on every hunt but when Nugent did his episode, every hog was picked up and dressed out. He's very big on not wasting meat! They have a ground crew on wheelers that ride around and pick up the dead hogs after being shot and haul them back to the camp/landing pad. On the other hand it really really sucks for us doggers!!!!!!!!!!

I think if we can't shot out a moving truck at hogs why the heck can we even do something so ridiculous like shooting from a flying craft with high powered rifles and not thinking about the bullets ricocheting off the hogs skulls right by neighbors in the near by homes!  Livestock and humans are at risk why are we not putting a stop on this they are trying to pass gun laws so much ... It's going to take a family members to lose a life before they think about controlling it! How sick things work!   It drives all wild game away to other property that work hard to keep the hogs down!