EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I have an athletic dogo thats a year old now. In the three small shoats i have shown her in a bay pen she goes out of her way to ignore them despite other dogs chaseing it around or squeeling sounds the shoat made. Her dad was a cd and her mom is like her. Any suggestions on what to do to get her catching other than what I have tried?? She has never been hurt or scared by a hog, or been around a mean one that came after her. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!  My wifes dog so culling is not an option, but really want her to be a back up cd.

I'd get her spayed and find her a nice cozy bed for the corner! you cant fix genetics

Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!
We have a winner.  I could not aggree more.  If the mother acted this way, why breed her?  Yorkies don't eat near as much.  They also don't hurt when they jump in your lap.

My buddy got a dogo (both parents were CD), that he had sold, back from a guy when the dog was almost a year. The dog was abused and all sorts of messed up in the head. With alot of work he got him to become a good pet but he showed no intrest in catching a hog. So we took him out to one of my other friends houses where I had some big hogs that we had caught the day before. I put him in their with a sow that was a little over 200 lbs and it was either make him or break him. I walked him up to that sow, she charged, i let him go, she nailed him, and he latched on. Put him on two more time with the same pig and he caught both times. The dog still needs to be on alot more pigs and work on going to the bays but he has caught a few small ones in the wild. Dont really think this would work with every dog, especially if both parents were not CD's, but my friend was willing to either "make him a catch dog, or sell him as a pet", so we decided to put him to the test, and lucky for my buddy it worked. I would not expect much from a dog that does not have hunting lines though. Might want to ask your wife before you do something like that with her dog too haha.

If the dogs mother was the same way she should have never reproduced in the first place. I sure hope your wife does not plan on breeding your dog either. The dog either has it in them or they don't, I am not one to try and make one do what it should want to do in the first place. There are instances when a dog will require a little more encouragement to get it done right, but without any intrest at all the dog is NOT a HOG DOG, and therfore not a good representation of the breed and should not have those genectics spread any further.

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That gyp should have never been bred. But since she was, you should have no expectation of the pups working. Some might but you should have ZERO expectation of such.

Steve

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well PUT!

To me, a dogo should have it instinctually.  That's what I expect from mine, "see an animal, and want to fight it!". But can you describe more about the mothers temperament?  Are they fearful of the boar or just care neither way about it?

My feelings for a dogo is that they should have an inate aggression toward other animals unless broken of it intentionally. 

As for training her?  If she as any dominance in her, she may do better with a boar that wants to fight back, if it poses no threat, its just another farm animal. I bred a litter where the father was hunted and the mother was not, and the the offspring that have been tested/hunted have done well.  One was shown a boar for the first time at two years old and caught on the ear and had to be choked off.  Though the mother had not been tested, she also had not been proven to fail, which to me translates to " at least you still have a 50/50 chance, when they haven't culled or succeded, but once they cull you know for sure they have those genes to pass.

Disclaimer:
I AM NOT A HUNTER, but I do own a handful(maybe more than a handful) of dogos.

The dog is already a year old, so there is no use going back and saying the breeding should have never happend, too late for that. And I know how a wife's dog is off limits, so your stuck there also.  ;D Although, I would keep the words of the others in the posts above in mind, as it is solid information for any breeding that may be planned in the future (if you bred the dog) or when you get another one(hopefully off of 2 solid hogdogs).

Although I have never had any experience with Dogos. I will give some suggestions that have helped me start some of the other CDs that I have or had, mainly pits or ABs. Its been my experience with pits and ABs, that they either have it or they don't. For me, its alot harder to find one that is 100% ear. Give the dog a chance, as you would any other potential prospect. And like with any other prospect, keep your expectations down. That will keep you from being blinded by them. Keep exposing the dog to pigs. Try putting the dog in there with something a little bigger, not enough to hurt it, but enough to get its attention or maybe even try chaining or kenneling the dog up where they have a good line of sight of the pig (If you can put up with the barking). If the dog begins to show interest and hits at the end of her chain, give her another shot.

I've always heard that Dogos are a little slower to start and may take awhile to get things figured out. If you gotta keep the dog anyway, might as well keeping working with her. JMO
 

I had a pure (registered) dogo a while back that was just as you describe yours.  Both parents of this dog are exceptional catchdogs, and come from WELL established lines...bred to the hilt.

I had it in my thick head that this dog WOULD eventually come around and make a catchdog.  I tried EVERYTHING imaginable over a few week period to get the dog to even show a HINT of prey drive.  At wits end, I tried the make-it-or-break-it method as described above hoping a large, mean sow would flip on his switch.  I put him in a small (5' square) pen with the sow and she hit him right off.  He squealed and flipped over on his back.  She never hit him again, but for the next few mintues everytime she would even turn her head his way he would squeal like heck and just trimble.  I pulled that dog out of the pen, counted my losses and chalked another one up to a lesson learned.  That was the beginning and probable end to my dealings with pure dogos.

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I agree, no since in not giving her a few more chances. I would definitely try her with something a little bigger or at least a little meaner. There is plenty of those footballs that think they are 200 lbs when you get close to them haha.

Grant you just need to start bringing her out and let me a phillip work with her, she needs exposure to the game. she is a year old, I believe we can get her to catch.

Thank you for the advice..This dog will not be bred-FYI!! But it doesnt mean I dont want her to catch. I got her for free b/c it was an accidental breeding. I have seen severel pits that were out of house dogs who never hunted that turned into good cd's and personally owned a dogo from canada that had no hunting lines and she caught like a rock star so with my past experience I couldnt say no to a free dogo, lesson learned! But to make the most of my mistake and since i have no other option thanks to the lovely Mrs. Fulcher I am hoping she is a late bloomer and I am not ready to give up on her quite yet. Paul when you and phillip are training those pups next I will see you then.

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I dont know but own 4 now and they do not play especially when they see that darkness running.Have a 6 month old that will climb walls to get a pig as well as some mean ass fight anything gyps at 4 months>

mex 4 dogos is just way to many! You should just give me one!! ;D

mex i am coming over 2morrow

Make or break put on a wup your but hog and if it curs out so be it.  It's more and better out there.

Maybe the woods with other experienced dogs will turn the switch on.

good luck.

if you dont want her ill take her

i have a dog that will not bay in a pen period. but u put him in the woods and u will have to catch at the hog r he will go and find another as soon as u get to the caught hog he is one of my best dogs but he is strictly woods could care less about a hog in a pen . just something to think about

dogo's, or any bull type breed, bloom late.  Don't forget that.  Some dogs will ignore a hog until they are mature, and then it just clicks over night.

All dogs have a trigger, its finding out what they do once the trigger is pulled that determines if they will catch or not.  Your dogo is still immature and hasnt had its trigger pulled yet so don't be quick to discard it.  It hasnt been amp'd up enough yet to figure out what she will do when the time comes.   You have to figure out a way to get her amp'd up about the hog and then see what she does when she gets the chance. 

Once she figures it out, the trigger pull will be a lot lighter :)

Has she seen it done by another CD? From what I have heard the DOGO matures alot later than most.

It sounds like you did everything you can.

With all due respect, I don't understand all this talk about dogos maturing slower than others, that's bull. Those aren't dogos, the dogo should be crazy to catch good sized shoats by 4 or 5 months and able to catch something twice its size by 6 or 7 months.

Throw a hog head in with a bunch of puppies and they should rip it up, let them play with a shoat and they will kill it. You can tell very young if they are dogos are not.

  How many dogos have you seen that are the way you describe?

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Kevin and Marvin,
Sorry for the delayed response, I can only check the internet a few times a week.
Short answer: plenty.
Why the question? Are the dogos or the lines you work with different than what I described?
What are you saying?  That dogos take longer to turn on? That they won't grab a shoat by 4 or 5 months?!?  That they won't go after and catch a hog around a 100lbs at 6-8 months? Again, with all due respect, that's bull, and if your experience is different, that they due in fact take longer to turn on and catch, those dogos are from the wrong blood.
If you believe the answer to the above is “no, dogos will and should do that” and were just asking out of curiosity how many I’ve seen in person, which I doubt you were, I have seen several pups with my OWN EYES (at least 8 off the top of my head) turned on and catching by 6-8 months. I have good friends here and in Argentina that have dogos catching by the same time. I’ve also seen tons of photos and videos from the same people.
Some people can search high and low, but if they look in the wrong places, they can be with the breed for 20 years and have well engrained opinions formed around an erroneous understanding of what a dogo is. 
To me, it is no coincidence that a dogo that has countless generations of hunters in its background will catch double its size by 6/7 months.  Its ancestors were shaped by the field, not in a show ring and then trying to work them over into the field, that's working backwards.
Dogos more on the mastiff end of the scale will take longer to develop physically and mentally.
Those dogos have too much of whatever else in them and not enough "Viejo Perro de Combate Cordobes" (basically the Argentine Pit Bull) in them.
Besides my personal experience, and that of countless Dogueros, read through the Book "The Dogo Argentino" by Agustin Nores Martinez and look at all the photos of puppies on hogs. Those are the dogos to breed--dogos that show heart and desire at a young age.
If you breed or get dogos from people that have "late bloomers" you'll probably get "late bloomers."
Here's an idea: I'll go to Dogo Argento (The largest dogo forum in the world), I'll go to the hunting section in Spanish, and I'll start a post for people to post pics, videos, and testimonies about dogos that are "crazy to catch good sized shoats by 4 or 5 months" and "able to catch something twice its size by 6 or 7 months." Then I’ll cross post the link here in a while, we’ll see if what I’m saying is that far fetched amongst hunters in Argentina.

thats fantastic.  for every one person who does post pictures, you will have 10 that don't.  Dogs, like people, mature at different rates.  Being able to throw yourself on a hog at 6 months of ageis a decent enough indicator of being a good catchdog, but its not the "be-all-end-all".  Some dogs learn/mature slower, and that doesnt mean that the dog is any less "dog" once it figures things out.  People on here talk about how some strike dogs turn on late, or dont turn on at all until they are given to somebody else, then the dog shines.  Circumstances determine A LOT when training a dog.

Now look what you started Grant!!!!!!!!!!! ;D

Mataco, I will bet my house and farm to you and anyone else on here that give me 10 dogos , of your chosing , and 10 pits of my chosing and i will make more of the dogos quit on a big boar than the pits on a big boar . And they wouldn't have to be on hog but 5 minutes tops each.

And if you keep reading all those books about how a DOGO can run, find, catch, and hold the boar untill the hunter gets to him or, " EVEN KILL " the boar if need be then you my friend are BADLY mistaken. I can promise youi that the hogs will either get away or win the battle EVERY TIME .. and the reasons i say this have NOTHING to do with the dogo quitting or not being a DOGO ..
A FULL grown boar will win one on one either by killing the dog , the dog dying from over exertion, or the hogs ears will get pulled off and he will be gone. Now I am speaking of actualle hunting. Not testing in a pen . .

And the part about putting a Dogo in a pen with a full grown Puma is ALL HYPE . If you put a dogo in a pen with a FULL grown adult puma that has all of his claws he to will win EVERY time. The rear claws will rip the guts out of a dog in about 1 minute . .

And I My Friend am a " DOGUERO "

I don't own any pit bulls , all I have used for the last 15 or so years is Dogos ,

And I fIremember corrctly you have only been hunting for about 1 1/2 years and only got your first dogo ( a rescue ) about a year ago.  You can correct me if I'm wrong and not trying to argue or Call you out. But it is what it is .

Well, i think that all dogs are different Mataco. You can't be sure that every dogo will catch by 5-8 months. I think pitts have more drive than most to be good catch dogs. It's just a natural talent they have and most don't have to be trained to be aggressive. I have a pitt right now that's about 6 months and he just started catching. He didn't show any interest what so ever- before that. He just turned on like a light switch. I've seen some dogos in action and they are hard catching dogs, but when they're pups, they seem a little more shy than bulldogs. They have a different personality. It may take some pups a while to mature into a catchdog. I wouldn't give up because they're not catching in 5 months. Be patient with the dog. Ladogo's has been doing this a long time, I'm pretty sure the guy knows dogo's well. Might be a good idea to listen to his advice. Hope things work-out, and good luck!

I would try this as my last ditch effort also worked for me. He turned out to be the best catchdog I ever owned. It was a do or die kinda thing for him. luckily for him he knew his optios. LOL

La Dogo that was a very big about you and your post shows alot about you. Over the last 10 or 20 yrs they were pushed on to the CD circuit and forums for the $ . Glad to see even a breeder and hunter of them will admit that all dogs have limits and aren't these super bred hog exterminating dogs. Take care.

Robert,  Didn't you know they are not a dog ? ?    They are a GREAT WHITE UNICORN  ! ! ! !     LOL 
dont get me wrong they are the breed of my choice  ! ! !

Oh I know they are and you have some darn good ones, but like our own kids we know what we have. LOL good and bad.

Marvin,

I've had the rescue for over three years. There are five dogos at my house with a sixth one on the way. With all due respect I know dogos and know and hunt with people who've been hunting with them for nearly two decades. All that I've seen from dogos that started out as hunting lines/catching lines and have been bred for hunting, want to catch by 6 months. That you would talk about dogos vs pits that way says something about where your dogos come from and what you haven't seen. I have noticed that people that have mastiff like dogos over 100lbs talk about them being slower to get started.

Maybe a great guy, but listen to what he has to say about dogos, I have other mentors.

I didn't mention anything about pumas (Ivan did), but to say the puma is "Hype"? Not everyone puts videos on youtube. The point is the dogo can have his guts ripped out, but he won't quit till he's dead.

have a rank hog digemdown and I caught this wkend in the bay pen--will let you know how it goes, going to try some protection training as well--thanks

I would cull any of my dogos at 9 months old if they are not hitiing and holding small hogs. I also cull hard against cds that fight the boar. A good cd will hold the boar not fight the boar period. You dont need a dog that tears up the hog or can not hold it for a long pireod of time by themselves.  each one That I have will and can hold any boar for as long as it takes and they are all willing to die before they would give up. Puma, bears , or boars they dont care. It is what the dogo lives for.

If you want to see what dogos do and do well if I might say come and watch. October 5 and 6 I am training 3 young dogos on some huge boars(250 to 375). It is a sight to see. I will not post videos or pictures but you are welcome to watch pm me if you are interested

Mataco ,  Reread my post ,  I NEVER said i havent seen pups turn on at an early age, NEVER .  All i Said was there is a LOT more HYPE about the breed than reallity ! !    Go back and look at any of my post or weeb site and you will find or see that ALL of my dogos have started early and have been in the woods at an early age .  But that isn't anything SPECIAL,  it is what they are suppose to do.   You have an open invitation to come over and we will go hunting and talk dogos. And mybe then i could explain myself for you to understand what im trying to say.    I have had pups that started at an early age , Late age and everywhere in between.  I cull hard and hunt even harder.  My point was exactly that a full grown unaltered puma with all of his claws will kill  a DOGO or any other dog for that matter before the water even gets hot.  Just don't beleive everything you read in books or see on video or hear breeders telling you. MOST, not all, are in it to SELL dogs and make money.   Again you are welcome to come hunt with me anytime and bring your dogs .

I know dogos and know and hunt with people who've been hunting with them for nearly two decades.



Mataco the Dogo was nearly unheard of two decades ago unless you hunted with the Rankin's they were one of the 1st in this region to hunt with them in this region. Is that who you hunt with? Being only 10 to 15 yrs old at that time you should have seen plenty in that time to know not all were created equal.

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Hey Robert,  You are exactly right about this.  I have hunted with them way back in the gap when they had dogos and also have breed to some of there stock back then. I have known them from the begining and still consider them friends.  I too had dogos back then and it was way before the HYPE of the internet hog hunters association .  LOL

The internet should be used to gain knowledge and inform people not to spread one's personal gain and biased knowledge. I feel I am a pretty open minded person. I have been in this long time and know that a dog is what one breeds and teaches no matter how hard we cull and try to teach we still will fail with some of these dogs but that is breeding. Win some lose some. It is a double edged sword sometimes.