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I have 2 (male and female) pocahontas plott pups coming from Eugene Walker. They will be here Thursday October 2nd which is next Thursday.  Excited about the pups.
Just curious if anyone recently is hunting pocahontas plotts and your feedback would be great.

Gene Walker is a very good guy to deal with. Him & his wife Anne are great people.

I do not know him personally. But I have been speaking to him on and off since I first inquired about the pups almost a year ago. The pups are out of poncho ll and ole miss.  Poncho ll was just voted big game hound of the year.
I have to admit I'm pretty excited about the pups , I'm hoping they work out. He does guarantee them.

Cajun have you ever hunted his breed before? I mean I know you have a very fair line yourself but just curious of feedback on the pocahontas line for hog huntin.

I bear hunted with a dog this past summer that came directly from Gene. He was as good as they get.

Well that's good news . I figured I bettered my chances by getting 2 pups . I will post pictures of them when they get here.

I have a 1/2 full Pocohonats gyp.  She is about 3 years old.  Very nice female.  Can do it all by herself, needs no help finding, trailing and baying a hog.  Thing I like about her the most is speed and she will stay bayed.  No calling her off, only way to get her is get the hog or try to catch her crossing a road.  I like her enough that I would try a full pocohotas.  Good luck.

I got a cross from that line. Winds really well but is also really gritty. Good luck with pups I wouldn't take for my dog.

Thanks guys for the feedback. I have heard a bit about them  but havent in a little while .
I like a hound that is fast and has some stopping power and likes to bay  ( who's doesn't lol) , rough at times is fine with me.

Hoghunter - do you know which male/female your dog came from?

I'll look when I get home and let you know.  The top side of the pedigree is Heat/Hammer Bred.  She is a stand back and bay dog.  She wont puy her mouth on a hog.

Hey Jon, What do you mean by you have a 1/2 full Pocahantas gyp. Isn't that a oxymoron. Just messing with you. lol

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Pups arrived thursday. Healthy and raising hell. Lol

Great looking pups.

Thank you. I would like to have one of yours in my pack as well. But will have to wait till next year's litters.  Plus if I ever wanted puppies out of my own I would need a different blood line anyway these 2 here are litter mates.

Mike,

I said 1/2 full becuase I thought is sounded better than 1/2 empty LOL.  Thank you for correcting my Louisiana writing...you know us guys north of I-10/I-12 are educated a little different than you bayou boys.  I should have said my gyp is a 1/2 pocohontas bred dog. 

They sure look good.  I like the fact thet they are all brindle and have little to no white on them.

Yea the little female has a couple white toes on her back feet but that's it and it's so small it may go away as she ages. She's got the longer ears also. I'm happy with the way they look. Excited for them to get old enough to start.
Being a former cur dog hog hunter that converted to hounds I'm excited to have some hound power with alot of grit. Lol.

They look good


Sonny

I said the exact same thing about 10 years ago and never looked back!  My bet is the gyp pup starts eralier than the male.  You should have a real good idea on performance at about a year old.  Good luck!

Yea I don't think I'm going back to straight cur dogs lol.

Let me ask yall that have the more experience with plotts.
Around what age does your plotts tend to be ready to start?
Also how did you go about showing them their first pig?

We always get them interested in a pig around 8 months old or sooner depending on dog then start taking them to a puppy pen and start letting them run with the big dogs.  ( once they get big enough to keep up)
Just curious if yall ever do any mock hunts with them to try and get them to be more of a lead do it yourself dog right off the bat or just run em and let them play follow the leader till they decide to start doing their own thing alone one day?
That's my normal procedure. But I feel that if you have a pup or to that has the drive you could possibly turn that dog into a lead trail dog sooner if you work with him quite a bit and do mock hunts with him at a young age then take him to the woods and feed him tracks.

I've hear a lot of guy say that the cur dogs seem to bay game sooner than the hounds.  While it may be true on some occassion, I dont think that is a one-size fits all statement.  I've had some nice plotts that bayed very, very young and some that it took a while longer for them to come around.  Seems like the younger they bayed, the rougher dogs they were.  The better trailers seemd to start a little later when it came to baying.

I do believe that the hounds natural ability to run and chase game allows a hunter to sometimes start hounds a little earlier in the woods; again, not a one-size fits all comment.  Surely, someone will not agree with me.

I start taking mine to the woods as soon as I think they can run; when I say run, I mean go a couple miles (with game or without).  While starting tome young hounds, I try to put them on everything I can, as long as I know the hog is not a real bad boar match with a young catchy plott.  When I am just riding looking for tracks, I usully let young dohs run in front of my ranger.  If it fun for me to see them try to wind or check the woods for something they think they smell.  If durring the process they jump a deer or run some other trash, I am okay with this.  I would rather have a dog that is too gamey, than one that not gamey enough.

If my pups naturally bay from the beginning, it is very likely they will never see a penned hog, I dont see what good that does for the dog.  If I have a dog that is having problems with not baying, I may show them a hog a couple times to try to help them out.

I think the main reason cur dogs seem to bay faster is because alot of times when a curdog takes a track or winds a hog the hog isnt far away and they haven't trailed it 2 miles to jump it so they haven't yet got fatigued when they find the hog .  However you are doing more driving to get these dogs near enough to a hog to smell it.  Most people will probably disagree but that was the case in most instances where I hunt.  But you dump a good hound right on a hogs tail and I net he bays just as fast as the curdogs. If he has any grit that is. Lol

I agree with the penned hog theory I see no point once the dog starts baying a hog fine to continue to put him in a square pen to bay a penned hog.
When I mentioned puppy pen that is a 100 acre pen that has roughly 5  hogs all 80 to 100 pounds that run like crazy and rarely bay. We use that pen to train puppies to run hogs and we will pull in the pen drive around to a good fresh looking spot and dump the pups if they can't get something going we send a veteran dog in there and help them out.  This is usually done only in the off season . Once huntin season gets here they go huntin only.

I totally agree to the above post.

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The female that trees on the tree next to me in this video is directly out of Poncho II.    She is a decent dog on both hogs and bear and has never said a word on track.  I bought her from Eugene 3 years ago and he told me every great once in a while he produces a silent dog but not often.   Anyway good luck with your pups.

Man what a great lookin head of dogs.  I know alot of people that would pay big bucks for a full blooded silent plott. Lol probably 95% of the curdoggers on this forum would also . Haha.

Was she pretty quick to turn on and start huntin good and doing her thing? Are all of this plotts from eugene?

I wish we had more bear and a bear season. I would really enjoy some bear huntin.

She flipped out on the very first hog she ever seen at 7 mths old and was a natural at everything I've done with her.  She is the only dog I've ever gotten strait from Eugene.

I love natural...no training required...just a little guidance and some exposure...maybe a little trash breaking and that is about it...

That's great for a young dog to turn on like that. That would be great for my pair to do the same.
That poncho 2 of Eugene's seems to be a pretty darn fair dog.
Oconee - do you hog hunt alot with your plotts? With a pack like that I'm sure they get pretty catchy.

I only hunt a dog or two at a time when I hog hunt. 

Gene was just at my house yesterday, brought me a pup that I think is out of the same litter.
    I'm sending it to my friends in Spain.
I've hunted with full Pocahontas and Pocahontas crosses close to 25 years. I don't have any complaints at all with them.
   

is that lacy?

Thanks for the feedback tnhillbilly.  I will say that these pups are very gamey and mouthy, I like that. When I let them out to stretch their legs the male pup is straight nose to the ground and leaves the yard just huntin for something. I like that alot. The female seems to be catching on and she's rough as piss.

What do your friends in Spain hunt with the pups? Just curious.

Your welcome,
They hunt the 100% pure European wild boar.

That's why I asked I was wondering if that's what they were huntin.  I bet that is an experience..  how do they like the pocahontas breed on them?

They like them pretty good, they have a hand full of them already and just ordered this one.

That's good to hear. Once again I appreciate the feedback. Have you ever hunted with Gene ' s Poncho 2? Or ole miss? Know anything about either dog? Seems like poncho is the man by look and from what gene talks.

Yep Tom, that was Ol' Lacey.   Good to see you on here.

I've got a few dogs that Go back to poncho, like them pretty good, but I've never hunted with either of them personally

Well she's always got an empty barrel here. I sure do miss that ole dog. Getting some good reports on her pups.

Hey buddy, that pup off of you is making a dog. I will talk with tonight.

I sure do like the bone and substance in those pups...ears set as well...good looking pups...

Thank you Reuben. I try not to get my hopes up to much with pups. But I have to admit I am very excited about these 2.
I am glad that I waiting and stayed patient enough to get these pups. They are very well bred looking pups and have alot of intelligence . Mr.Walker didn't lie to me about these dogs. I'm excited to see how they turn out and im sure I will keep everyone updated. Lol.

gotta have that plott. they are kick ass