EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I have had mine now for over 3 yrs and a 1000.00 bucks couldn't touch him.  Yall?

   mines getting old and granted he didn't get hunted hardly any the last 4 years but money couldn't touch him .

I would put mine around the price of that legit Parker lol. But you can't put a price on a irreplaceable dog no matter the breed or his job

I don't have room for one...if I lived somewhere that I could keep as many dogs as I wanted I would pay 5 or 6 hundred for the right pup as long as he was guaranteed to catch at a year...and the right breeding/size/color and demeanor...a good looking dog that could be used for breeding/catching hogs, and showing it off...

really...I would rather get the job done without one...but lots of times a good bulldog comes in handy...especially in places where a gun is not allowed...

Money couldnt touch my 3.

You always hear people say aw just a bulldog. That is in my opinion the most important job if you are wanting to catch pigs. Cuz it don't take the best dog to find and bay a hog but you dang sure better have a goo catch dog if ya want to catch the pigs you do find and bay

Yeah,  ole Bo quite and calm on the box.  But when its time to go he is all busines.  I like also that he will pick his entrance and not just blow otta the box into straight briars and thickett and when he gets about ten foot from the hog the cross hairs come into focus and he shifs gears and explodes on the hogs ear.  I was worried when we first started he wanted the nose but after a few bad cuts and threw the jaw one time that was lesson learned ear every time since and then lays on the big hogs body.  He has three 300 pounders to his credit credentials a couple 290's and a ton below that.  I bought a custom made vest for him threw p&p and its one of the best investments a man can make.

Some people need them some don't but ours are worth not selling we use 2 on good hogs just cause it's that much easier on the dogs wish I could find one more lol

I need to add to that last post that ole Champ my buddy Corys bulldog was there on them big hogs to.  We ran them as a pair and damn if i can even remember missing a hog that was bayed hell I cant there was none .  Great pair of bulldogs

A bunch to say the least.  We only had one at the start of this year and he got cut down bad and we spent the next month trying "catch" dogs and driving to look at them, went through a half dozen to find two.  We now have three as a group but they all have one or two canines chipped or broke or missing.  Be real nice to pick up a sure enough good one just for back up and maybe retire a couple of the older ones we have.

Mine = not for sale

sometimes we miss big boars because of not having a solid catch dog...

it seems that back in the 1980's one could find a catch dog easy enough...now it is hard to find one that will...I believe the main reason is because we are getting farther away from when fighting dogs became illegal...

Kreig will 3 in November, and I'd price him to high to sell to anyone with cash. Everything I own is for sale, for the right price of course. However he's listed as "priced not to sell".jmo a great CD, whatever it is a pit, dogo, a cross, etc is worth its weight in gold.

I somewhat disagree, I believe it's harder to find good ones because the folks that have those good ones don't just hand out their lineage just like good hog dogs. The hog hunting world has been flooded by ppl wanting to make a quick $ on the sport and breeding anything with 4 legs they can call a hunting dog.

Lacyman...people who breed correctly breed better dogs...IMO...the percentage of those type of breeders are lower so it reflects on the dogs as well...just because one APBT is a great catch dog does not make him a dog worth breeding if he comes from a long line of dogs that did not catch...he probably will make a good starting point for developing a good breeding program but not to build one around that dog...

A good one is priceless.  A lot of folks wont pay good money for a pup or older dog for that matter. To me the job they do is just as important and equally valuable.

A top shelf cd is worth his weight in gold to a hog hunter ain't worth much in the back yard on a chain covered in fleas own by some one who don't even know what they got lol

i wouldnt want to sell mine becuase i use them but i couldnt spend 1000$ on one either and yes its nice to have a good one but it would be hard to send a 1000$ bulldog in a thicket knowing its a matter of time until thats the last thicket he goes in. ive hunted with alot of sorry bulldogs and got by and its not fun at all and ive hunted with some good ones that was real good  and their usualy the ones that dont last to long. but as being more valuable than a bay dog that is a hog dog its no comparsion. a bulldog is much more easily to replace than a real hog dog is. i hope im not replacing any in the near future of the either . in my 14 years of hog hunting wiht dogs ive onle owned 1 bulldog that made it to retirment. but to answer your question the most i would pay is 300$max for a good one

That seems to be the magic number for most guys 300 but I have seen guys pay 5 times that for a pit that never caught any thing I think most just don't put much worth on a bulldog and but some do lol

I can understand your sentiment...but, anytime you turn a dog loose in the woods there's a chance you won't be putting him back in a kennel when you're done. Could be just the way we hunt, but we have more injuries to the curs than the bulldogs.

Everything in my yard has a price and the finished bulldogs that I use 3 times a week will go for $500 each. At that price I have had no one interested though. People would rather pay $0-$200 and hope that something works out. It's fine, I will just keep catching hogs with my "too expensive" dogs.


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Collars and garmin 1200 at least cut collars leads and shock collars 1200 dog box 4 wheeler or buggy and or truck $$$$ and credit card on file at local vet and er vet now your ready for dogs strike dog 2000 or 3 yrs hard work two good bay dogs 1500 several yrs of finding spots to hunt and now you final can find and bay hogs and you only want to spend 150 on a cd this I don't understand lol

lol ^  that's so true! 

Hell ya. Judge and then some...U slammed that nail brother.

Ya fellas I just don't get it. In most cases the only dog in your box that will do his job till his death with every bit of his being. Makes you wonder bout how we value things wish friends and family where like that

Yep...I have seen some awesome things that a 50 pound APBT could do...and 5 OR 6 other APBT's have been as impressive as well...that I will never forget...but not something to discuss on a forum but I do know that a good one needs to be treasured...

I can understand your sentiment...but, anytime you turn a dog loose in the woods there's a chance you won't be putting him back in a kennel when you're done. Could be just the way we hunt, but we have more injuries to the curs than the bulldogs.
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My old gyp had a ruff first few months 8 yrs ago. Last 7 yrs only 3 cuts, they all got under vest on her shoulder.  Yes I could loose her next hunt.  I wonder how many bay dogs she has saved?   Priceless
I would expect to spend $1000-$2000 for a solid mannered dog.  It cost me the same money to feed her as it cost to feed less desirable dog.   A good bull dog finishes a good hunt, without them the entire hunt can be for nothing.   I'm not in it only for the catching hogs, but it fires me up when one gets away.

The idea of price is brought up on a regular basis. I say price is subjective to the thickness of ur wallet. I mean if a man makes $75 a day or $75 an hour can sharply change the level of a price. I know guys that don't mind spending 1k to 1500 on a dog. I know other guys that have a hard time coming up with 150 after the bills are paid. I think the value of a dog is closely related to the mans paycheck at the end of the week.


Shotgun
Arkansas

  I have went home quiet a few times with only a dog collar, but its uslually bulldogs for us. the way i look at it is a bulldog has terrible odds from day one of hunting, they risk getting their jaw broke , teeth knocked out the list just goes on, and you can take a 200$ bullodg and catch hogs,  but your not going to catch to many hogs with a 200$ baydog.

X2 with us. I know after catchin a big hog the first thing I look at is the huntin dogs to see if everyone made it

Bo Pugh I have caught hundreds of hogs with a 200 dollar dog still do. I have caught a bunch of bigger hogs only lost one bulldog we never found him I assumed he died. What kinda hog y'all catch that kill so many dogs not being a blank just curios

Shotgun wg your right on that I am dirt poor if I had to replace my dogs with money I would not be able to do it I have to make my own dog

Lol I have 12 dogs. I payed for 2 of them. I have $375 purchase price in 12 dogs. I have worked very hard and had plenty of dry runs trying to let these dogs learn the ropes.


Shotgun
Arkansas

we dont have any type of hogs as i know of, it might just be how we have to hunt, we very seldom get to walk a bulldog in any closer to 100yards and can proably count on my hand how many times i have got to see one catch, it just happens like that, i try to get close as i can on my fourwheeler and when they catch make a road to them but if one bulldog gets hung up on the way in the other one takes a good beating until the other arrives. i have had pretty good luck with bulldogs this year but i have also been hunting three young bay dogs most of the summer without and older ones and the quantity of hogs has went down a little bit and havent had to use a bulldog as much . we usually average around 200 for a summer i dont know if thats alot or less than most people but most of the dogs we hunt are pretty loose and will either get back when we come in there or already be gone so they dont get cut to bad for the most part.

Bo Pugh I gotcha I let my cd go from much further out I would say 2 to 300 some times farther I have sent them from 600 my dogs a rough tho it send em to help not to catch a bayed hog now when I run loose dogs I try to get close as I can specially at the river seems to me that the catch dogs take a bigger beating with loose dogs

Rough or loose doesn't matter, a bulldog has too have brains. If it just bullies in there ya it's gonna get roughed up, if it positions himself In front of the hog while it's caught ya it's gonna get roughed up. Just like a smart bay dog won't take on nothing it can't handle alone. I've seen a couple bulldogs that have gone the longer way around a thicket too have a better angle rather then just go barreling in there and get whooped because of the positioning the hog has bayed up in.

The way I see it your only as good as your cd, someone said you can have a great hunt dogs bayed up, but what's it all worth if you can't have a dog too finish it out. JMO.

Your pack is like a football team. Every part of that team has a very important job. Be it the strike dog finding and baying the hog, to the catchdog, catching the hog!
The price of my bulldog increases dramatically when I really need him!! Lol.. Most times I do not need him because my dogs will catch what the can handle by themselves, and if I have 2 on the ground, they will catch 99 percent of the hogs! It's the 1 percent when you need that Kraken that you will relies a good bulldog is as valuable as your best strike dog!!

It all depends on how much the owner likes him and how bad the buyer really wants him, IMO a good catch dog is just as valuable as the best strike dog, you can't have you ying  without your yang and vice versa

My 300 cur dog has found hundreds of hogs that my two 300 dollar catch dogs caught. You could not buy a bulldog from me or my cheap cur dog. A good bulldog is just as important to me as my bay dogs if not more. To be honest I think I would probably give my bulldog to a friend then sell him. A lot of dogs catch hogs , not many are catch dogs.

I agree...I have used that same analogy about the pack and football team...in my mind a good cur dog should be like the middle linebacker of the football team...not the fastest or strongest or quickest but respectably strong, fast and quick...

The catch dog is like the best defensive lineman on the football team...


Gritty to rough dogs may act like great catch dogs some of the time but in some situations they will back up and bay...

if I were in the market for a good APBT I would be looking for a well built pup that is not hyper...black brindle or dark red or dark yellow...or even light chocolate in color...not a heavy boned dog but showing lots of power sppeed and quickness...from at least 3 generationsof catch dogs and males about 75-80 pounds...I would pay 300 to 400 dollars for that pup...

this pup is very valuable to me in several ways...I will like the size, color, natural ability and the looks...I love a good looking dog that is the complete package...and just as important...if I decide to raise a few pups this dog will have the breeding potential as well...

I believe and feel the same way about the strike dogs as well...

Just because he cost you $300 doesn't mean you could replace him for that!  You will have way more invested in your pup than $300 by the time she is a yr old. 


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Boils down to this when your cd can go in alone catch a big boar hog hold him and not get murdered time and time again then you got one. but I would rather have manners and handle cuz a decent bulldog should have a good holding bite. But some are truly better than others just like a strike dog

I just bring my bay dogs and a long piece of rope and i'm catching hogs with out a catch dog, And i hunt like this more then i do with a catch dog, And my dogs bay semi loose so if  it's to big for me to rope or jump on him i'll come back with a catch dog.   Really good strike dogs that's very consistence is hard to come by!  Pitbull or bulldogs are not because they are 5 dollars on Fridays at the spca.

Kinda like those 5 dollar foot longs at subway lol

Yep just like em, taste like pooey, spend a couple more bucks at local bakery and get a real sandwich. If you could consistently pick up a good/jam up CD at the spca we'd all be down there, bottom line is that's a craps shoot. Sometimes you win,most times you don't. You could prolly find a strike dog the same way, with time. Why breed selectively for a strike dogs year after year and cut yourself short with CD from who knows where. Jmo.

Right on bro

catch dogs are a dime a dozen in my eyes!  The last time you where in the market for a strike dog how many did y'all trail or hunt?   So truly Look at the amount it takes you to get a good dog not some number2 dog that runs 1/4 to a mile and falls off!  If you can say a catch dog is evenly at VALUE as a strike dog good luck with your culls!   I know most of y'all would say your lead dog is not replaceable!   

Be very hard to replace my top 3 or 4 dogs not that they are that good but they do what I ask of them. If you cull a lot of dogs you should ask why are they not cutting it and change  where you are getting them from. Here is what a good cd should be to me not trouble period at any time and catch when asked to do so then go back to chill. Most any bulldog will catch that may be what your saying idk but all the other stuff is what sets them apart

So you like a catch dog that has handle ? That fall's into the handler job and some are breed to have more handle then others.  I'm sure the place i get my strike dogs from are just as good if not better then most!  No i don't cull much because i only take in one pup at a time to give them the best chance one can while raising and hunting! But this stuff is off the subject tho!  I know if you put the #s against good strike dog and good catch dog the strike dogs are harder to come by, And your not catching many hogs with just a catch dog if you don't have the strike dogs to find, bay and contain a hog for the catch dog to catch!! rcd do not count..lol  And there's more then one way to catch or kill a hog without a catch dog around just saying... Well this is just my 2 cents on what a catch dog is worth.

Ya your right on the numbers part I guess those guys that bred bulldogs 200 yrs ago did a better job breeding then ever one else cuz a watered down bred for looks bulldog on average can do his job better than the average line bred cur dog lol jmo if ya want to look at numbers

back in the 1980's it was easy to find a catch dog...today it is not so easy...

The last 2 APBT's I bought I bought for proper body build and size...I culled the first one and I went and bought a game bred red red nosed pup...he was as pretty as a picture and was all I would ever want except he was culled for not being a solid catch dog...

strike dogs are hard to find but once you find the right hunting line you can have a yard full of good to great strike dogs...just breed a litter and keep 5 or 6 pups...

If I lost my whole pack tonight, I could find two new Bulldogs by tommorow. But i bet it would take me 6 months to find another strike dog worth feeding. And probably cost me around 2000-2500$ I'm not sure what caliber dogs yall are feeding but if their in the same class as a bulldog that tells the story. Your right judge a watered down bull dog can do his job on average but he don't have to do anything that requires brains or any kind or thinking a Bulldogs job is not that difficult he don't have to run through a briar thicket 5 hours or have to trail anything ,swim rivers and he's usually going to have some help when he catches too so he don't have to do all that by him self. what does it take to make a great catch dog in yalls opinions. I like them about 55lbs red and ear dogs and not hiper and when I get them off a hog tie them to a tree and they sit there and wait on me to get them and take them back to the four-wheeler

Not tryin to be a smarta#$ but you could go find a couple bulldogs that would catch and then sit quiet when hooked to a tree. And find this sized and color dog overnite. You have better connections than I do!

Bulldogs come dime a dozen in my opinion. U can always find a bulldog wether it be from another hunting buddy, the pound on the side of the road whatever. They r much easier to train once u find out if they will catch or not. I mean if they get killed, crippled up, cut down etc I no enough fellow hunters that I can find another bulldog. The best bulldog in the world is useless if u ain't got a good strike dog... The sky is the limit one them Bulldogs on the other hand r just to easy to come by at least around here just my opinion

I can see most of y'all don't give a good bulldog much credit or should I say value that's cool just depends what side of the street your on.  There is no ? A good strike dog is hard to find and harder to make than a cd that's not the  ? I just feel like the dogs are a team one job is as important as the other IMO

My take is this. A man that is willing to drop a lot of money usually thinks that that is the only way to get a good dog.

A man that doesn't have or isn't willing to drop that cash looks in other places for less money.

This does not mean one or the other is looking for a better dog. In fact they are just using different methods to find the same jewel.

If I lost every dog I have tonight I would be a couple years getting what I have back. It wouldn't be cash that gets me there. I don't have any. I would use my gut and my eye. I would find the best I could for as little as possible. I would hope to see that diamond in the rough that the other guy don't. My dogs may or may not be as good as some I don't know. I can say that all of my dogs are worth more than what they cost me originally.

I guess the question woulda got better response and probly closer to what the theme of the post was if it had been asked this way.

What would it cost a man to buy the CD u run today?

What would it cost to buy the best CD u have ever owned?


Shotgun
Arkansas

Lol
Guess they never seen a bulldog, pick and choose!

This is the internet...

This is the internet....

I hog hunt to catch big hogs.  I have owned some of the sorriest bulldogs a person could own, and have legged hogs behind some of what I think are as good as they get.  I DO NOT put alot of emphasis on my bulldogs.  I would love to raise a good bulldog out of blood that just does it all, and plan on it, BUT the fact remains that I've been given and picked up bulldogs and most of em will catch.  They will NOT catch how you like them to, where you want them to, handle like you want them to, or go to a bay like you want them to, but they will catch. The junky bulldogs work, they're just a pain in the a$$. 

I will not pay alot of money for a bulldog simply, because I am satisfied on raising a mediocre bulldog.  ALL they have to do is catch a hog to live on my yard, I'll cull later for the little things.  I have walked in behind bulldogs that have cur'd out, and have had to use cur dogs to catch one, rope a few to catch em, and wound up empty handed because of a bulldog.  The simple fact is a bulldog's purpose is singular, thats it, so my efforts go into my cur dogs, because if I can't get one stood up, and then made to bay, they're ain't much sense packing a bulldog unless you're just trying to look cool.  I might get looked down upon for this, but you guys prolly got a few hundred dollars worth of cut gear, I got a $50 vest that was given to me, it fits this bulldog, and is to big for that one, and to small for the other one, but hell I catch plenty of big hogs with em.  Half the time the bulldogs I hunt are so sorry they don't deserve to be on the food bill, but thats the difference between Internet hunting and real hunting. 

Lol sounds like you have had  big clusters at times be hind those two cent bulldogs lol I am to ugly to look cool

Thats all part of hog hunting to me Judge.  These two cent bulldogs have caught alot of big hogs though, because that is ALL we hunt for.  Not many people will look all day for one big track, pass up on sow and shoat sign that's so hot its steaming, and then load dogs up after not turning a single one loose all day.  That's part of it.

Like I said, I don't have to search high and low to find a bulldog to catch, period, most of em will.  If I wanted one of the perfect bulldogs most of you guys own, then yeah I would have a helluva time finding one, but I just need one to catch.  The first time he breaks a snout, cripples a hog, or catches a dog, he's culled, and on to the next one.  Poor boys got poor ways!

Poor boy ways is all I know bro lol

I know I haven't been on here in a while and I am getting in this real late, BUT, a bulldog is not a bulldog. In MY opinion, anyone that thinks that way has has standard. It could be that way for several reasons. Maybe they don't know what a GOOD catch dog does or have never hunted with one. Maybe they don't realize what potenial lies in a good dog, what they are capable of. Some are just too lazy to look or to train or take the proper care of one to allow it the opportunity to live long enough to learn and get good. A good catch dog does so many more things than put mouth on a hog and just hang on. A good one makez hunting so much easier and fun and a lot of times leaves you saying wow that was awesome. I have a family of dogs that I have raised for some time now. A very high percentage of them make outstanding catch dogs. I very seldom sell a puppy out of them because of some many "a bulldog is a bulldog" mentalities. If that's your attitude that's fine because your the one feeding it but l will tell you, if you ever take the time to get a good one, you will realize a bulldog isn't a bulldog.

Agree

just keeping the thread going...hope it opens the link...I like the looks and another 20 pounds working weight would be about the right weight for me and keeping the same physique type...I don't have room for a APBT now but if I did it would be one like this...

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=301840

I could not agree more.  Very few are a rare pleasure to watch and own not to mention handle  , some are good and most are just well just that not much but a dog hangin on a ear.

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Some bulldogs are way above average on smarts but they can be hard headed