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Title: Hog dogs bumping deer
Post by: jandrews on December 15, 2014, 07:52:06 pm
What's everyone's advice on breaking dogs off deer? This dog particular may take a hog couple miles n bay it up. Get there tie the hog n the the same dog literally jump a deer n run it for a flippin mile. Very frustrated even though she has found several hogs here recently.


Title: Re: Hog dogs bumping deer
Post by: Georgia-Hawgs on December 15, 2014, 08:01:14 pm
A GOOD shock collar broke my coon dog off deer. But he was open mouthed and i could tell by his bark when he was running a deer. He was bawl mouth on track and chop mouthed on the tree. But when he ran a deer he would chop bark like he was treed but he was getting out of town on the garmin. Thats when i would set his world on fire with the touch of a button..lol..i also had some old time hunters tell me that a goat smells like a deer to a dog. If you knew someone with goats put a shock collar on him and when he messes with a goat burn him up with the collar. I also had another old timer tell me something that involved a deer skin or hoofs , a good hill , and a 55 gallon drum. You can put the rest of that story together. Said it works like a charm but i never gave it a try.. hope some of this helps...


Title: Re: Hog dogs bumping deer
Post by: charles on December 15, 2014, 08:19:19 pm
Shock collar works great, BUT u need to be SURE the dog is running a deer. Iv heard the hide, a big hill and a barrle works. Some folks on here hav also said deer urine and a muzzle or rag tied to their collar. If the thing that a deer smells like a goat, then the goat option can yiled multiple function. Deer braking, lawn mower/fertilizer machine or goood bbq


Title: Re: Hog dogs bumping deer
Post by: thegroundskeeper on December 15, 2014, 09:08:04 pm
Had one like that one time and I only dropped him on the ground when I personally saw a deer cross road in front of me then I would light his tail up with collar. After about 5 trips he learned.  Then I would keep working him in pen on hogs at home. 


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Title: Re: Hog dogs bumping deer
Post by: jandrews on December 15, 2014, 09:22:11 pm
Thanks again for speedy replies.


Title: Re: Hog dogs bumping deer
Post by: Shotgun wg on December 15, 2014, 09:39:39 pm
How old is the dog?


Shotgun
Arkansas


Title: Re: Hog dogs bumping deer
Post by: jandrews on December 15, 2014, 09:44:43 pm
Between 1.5-2 yrs old.


Title: Re: Hog dogs bumping deer
Post by: Georgia-Hawgs on December 15, 2014, 09:50:07 pm
I forgot to ad what groundskeeper said. That will work for ya to...if you can see a deer and put him or her right on the track. Light em up when u know they took to it. And like charles said. Need to make sure that there actually running a deer. You probably are sure tho. It was real easy for me to tell. He would bark like he was treed but running wide open. I competition hunted him so i had to know by his bark what he was up to.


Title: Re: Hog dogs bumping deer
Post by: Shotgun wg on December 15, 2014, 10:01:28 pm
Just making sure it wasn't real young. If u go the route of shock collar do ur absolute best to ensure it is in fact a deer before u light it up. I have dogs that will bump a deer for 100 yards or so and dogs that would run forever. On the ones that took out I left them. Let them go. When they got tired they had to find me. They figured it out for the most part. If I did get a chance to cut them off I had a lil cane switch to let them know I wasn't happy. Now today the dogs are older and smarter. They still bump one if they get real bored but don't take long and they remember that lil keen cane switch.


Shotgun
Arkansas


Title: Re: Hog dogs bumping deer
Post by: Hollowpoint on December 15, 2014, 11:02:28 pm
We used to take dogs that needed the shock treatment to a field in the evening where we knew deer would be. Turn the dog out, if he ran the deer, he got the treatment. Point is like everyone else already said, ensure the dog is indeed running a deer.


Title: Re: Hog dogs bumping deer
Post by: t-dog on December 16, 2014, 07:25:41 pm
I got a fresh deer, dead of course, and put a dog collar on it. Got my trashy dog and put a shock collar on it. Then I tied a long rope to the dogs regular collar and ran it through the deer's collar. I let the dog walk up and gwt a big nose full of deer and then I curled his hair. He ran away from it and I let him get about 12-15 feet  from it and stand there a minute. Then I pulled him and the deer together by pulling the rope. When they were together again I curled it again and thos time did not let him flee. Just before the shock collar auto shut off I quit and then got on it again. Then I let him flee. I never had another problem.


Title: Re: Hog dogs bumping deer
Post by: Reuben on December 16, 2014, 08:08:42 pm
I use a deer shoulder mount and tack a rolled white paper towel with deer scent on it tacked to the back side...and a cattle prod or shock collar...every time the deer touches the dog the dog gets lit up...I start with the alpha dog and get them all...I repeat 3 times in about 2 weeks...I use the white paper towel because it simulates the white tail of a deer...this has worked great for me...


Title: Re: Hog dogs bumping deer
Post by: J. Tallina on December 17, 2014, 08:08:35 pm
I've had two different silent dogs that were very much open on a deer ya all ever seen that?


Title: Re: Hog dogs bumping deer
Post by: Shotgun wg on December 17, 2014, 08:36:04 pm
Yep. Cause I have dogs that bark every breath on a deer but are pretty much silent on hogs.


Shotgun
Arkansas


Title: Re: Hog dogs bumping deer
Post by: sfullwood88 on December 17, 2014, 11:55:54 pm
I agree with the above replies. Buddy of mine that I hunt with has some of the most broke hounds I have ever seen. If he has a problem with a hound jumping and running deer. He will take the hound hunting at night. Ride around till a deer jumps the road and puts that hound on it. He said wait till the dog is running him good a couple hundred yards in and gas him with the shock collar. He stressed to me to not shock the dog right off the road or when returning to the road. He said it only takes a couple times.
Good luck I hope you get it worked out.


Title: Re: Hog dogs bumping deer
Post by: Bowhunter1994 on December 18, 2014, 12:11:59 am
shock collar will be your best friend


Sonny


Title: Re: Hog dogs bumping deer
Post by: J. Tallina on December 18, 2014, 05:20:32 am
Yep. Cause I have dogs that bark every breath on a deer but are pretty much silent on hogs.


Shotgun
Arkansas

I take it as them sayin screw it he's gonna whoop me anyway might as well piss him all the way off lol


Title: Re: Hog dogs bumping deer
Post by: jandrews on December 18, 2014, 10:02:02 pm
I'll be investing in a shock collar. Thanks


Title: Re: Hog dogs bumping deer
Post by: Pwilson_10 on December 19, 2014, 06:28:57 pm
Set hem up to run deer u see one in the pasture road just dump hem or she and when she turns on were the deer was u shock hem or her tell her eyes bug out and and yell get out the hole time and then try and find a nother deer then if she turns on that one wait a second if she shows up back in the road  then u should be good if it still is run it do it all over again then do it every now and again to remind her or hem that's what works for me


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Title: Re: Hog dogs bumping deer
Post by: Pwilson_10 on December 19, 2014, 06:52:18 pm
But u can ruin a dog with a shock collar that's y I love to set my dogs up so I know for a fact what they are running


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Title: Re: Hog dogs bumping deer
Post by: Cajun on December 19, 2014, 07:48:18 pm
I do the same. Set the dogs up & fry them when they are on a deer. I also do what T-dog does to really send the message home. When I kill a deer I have it laying out by the barn. I go get a dog & put the leash around the deer's neck & snap the dog to it. The dog only has a foot or so of leeway & he is jumping around everytime I bump him but that deers head is coming up like it is chasing him. It really drives the point home. I have had dogs come back to me when other dogs were running deer. They wanted me to know they were not the guilty ones.lol
  My Bosco dog dragged a doe 20 yards to me trying to get away from that deer.


Title: Re: Hog dogs bumping deer
Post by: Reuben on December 19, 2014, 08:08:53 pm
I do the same. Set the dogs up & fry them when they are on a deer. I also do what T-dog does to really send the message home. When I kill a deer I have it laying out by the barn. I go get a dog & put the leash around the deer's neck & snap the dog to it. The dog only has a foot or so of leeway & he is jumping around everytime I bump him but that deers head is coming up like it is chasing him. It really drives the point home. I have had dogs come back to me when other dogs were running deer. They wanted me to know they were not the guilty ones.lol
  My Bosco dog dragged a doe 20 yards to me trying to get away from that deer.

after I have given my gamey pups shock therapy they would come back with their heads and tails down when they saw deer or smelled a hot deer track in the woods...pups that are gamey who have lots of bottom can be hard to break from deer running once they start...it is better to break them before they start...but only after they have started baying/running hogs...

I have found that doing it this way makes it very easy to break them...