EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I have never been one to have papered dogs. My question is what line of black mouths holds the best working blood and in that I mean from treeing to baying? Handle temper and so forth

    only ones I know of that are the best tree dogs is the ladner line , pretty good hog dogs as well but are gritty sob's .

yeah, all that mountain cur over the years really strengthened their "looking up a tree" game. Plus from what ive seen the Ladner folks posting on facebook, registered blackmouth curs come in every color under the sun and love to cuddle up in blankets with their fur mommies too! talk about versatility!!!

Don't bring that BS in here please. I have had to look at the pissing match for a week. If u don't like his dogs fine. If he don't like urs fine. Leave it at that. Tell a man about ur dog. Show ur dog. Let the other do the same and let the 3rd man decide what he likes.


Shotgun
Arkansas

Dang has there been a mutiny somewhere?

I'm asking for truth from ones heart not a lie from there lips thanks

Let's just say a bunch of grown men been acting like high school girls.

Bay hard I don't have a papered BMC and haven't hunted with enough to give an honest opinion.


Shotgun
Arkansas

Thanks shotgun

my advice is that you go hunt with people in person and listen with your eyes, because your ears (and breeders on the net) will lie to ya.

Agree


Shotgun
Arkansas

I've been hunting along time I was just looking from other hunters eyes

one thing about cow dog stock...they might not have the inclination to take a track,use their nose or to even hunt...but they sure can have baying style...so make sure to do your homework well and find a line that has both traits...I have seen good tree dogs converted to hog dogs and they have gone on to be great hog dogs in a short time...IMO a dog that gets excited about a squirrel or coon in a tree will go nuts over a hog...

East Texas curs are usually not registered for good reason...because they are mixtures of cur, hound, mt cur and other mixes that has worked...

Them cur dogs aren't registered cuz the people behind the dogs could care less about the internet, papers, or what you think. They raise dogs to do a job, if they don't they're culled, and the ones that do are raised, and most don't see a need to advertise what they got, or the other guy might start doing their job with dogs they've worked so hard to do.

Come on guys. Can y'all not recommend one without talking bad of the other. SMH


Shotgun
Arkansas

Bayhard.

Although your original question was asked in true sincerity.  The end result will always come down to everyones personal preferences and acquired knowledge of performance. (Or their perception if what Good is).

I will stay completely neutral in this one, even though I carry deep biased opinions on lines I have witnessed fail and consider a complete waste of time.

A suggestion is to analyze your question backwards!

Dissect your own personality and temperament along with some realistic qualities in a hunting dog that you would never waiver from if it doesn't possess them.

I believe you would be well ahead of your own question after you have came to terms of what quality of a dog would make you happy. Then find the best suited line that compliments you!

Not trying to ruffle any feathers or start an argument but as far as the Ladner dogs go I live in the same area as the source of these dogs and no one who hunts hard and all the time will feed them. They are bred solely on profit and not production. Your buying a name. There are a few individuals who have kept a few of the old mans dogs and have bred them true and straight but they don't advertise and only breed a gyp every few years. I've seen countless of these dogs and maybe a handful of them were mediocre dogs at best. If you can find someone who has bred this line of dogs for personal use and could get a pup from them you would be better off. You would figure if those dogs were all they are advertised to be then the folks that live around him would be hunting them. Heck the fella who has taken over even was advertising a while back that the price of his pups were going up because the price of feed was, if that don't tell ya what he's in it for then I don't know what to tell ya.

This describes the experience I had with a gyp BMC I bought in the 90's, I was wanting a bit more tree minded dog. She was more what Reuben described.

You've lived a sheltered life if you haven't saw a stockdog that would go hunting and or take a track.

The stock dogs described above that don't hunt or trail are what we call "pasture dogs" the ones that are tree dogs are what we call "log walkers" real stockdogs don't tree and will hunt and trail, nor do they need Mt. Cur or Hound crossed in them to perform their job, it is actually detrimental to their instincts and traits necessary to properly perform the job they were designed for.

In my younger days I hunted with a few more folks than with I do now...but the ratio was a little lopsided imo...and my theory to my observations has yo do with how a lot of cowboys use their dogs...more often than not there is no hunting involved...just round them up and drive them to the corral...

 My advice to the papered bmc question is to do your homework and buy a pup from someone who hunts bmc...

one of the best hogdogs I hunted behind was a red bmc that was a cull because he busted bays...but the new owner caught many hogs behind this dog...

Maybe I am wrong but most pasture dogs don't need to prove that they can trail cows deep into the woods or even go find them...they usually work closely with the handler...after a few generations of dogs that don't have to prove themselves beyond these working abilities can be a problem for someone who is in the market for a hunting dog...so my advice is to make sure and do the homework...there are good dogs out there...

well said sir.

  them cur dogs may not be registered with an organization , but you can bet the farm they have a paper trail on them . I don't know what all the fuss is about . a set of papers is just an account of the dogs ancestral lineage that if a person so desires they can trace back and contact or read about the dogs their dogs are out of . sure folks try to make a buck off of somebody else's hard work by breeding and selling by the name , well welcome to America and capitalism . as far as the ladners go , the old man is gone and I wish good luck to curt carrying on his daddy's line , I'm sure he's gonna make some mistakes along the way and who in this world hasn't . and good luck to all you folks wanting to start your own lines or whatever . just remember all them old folks that bred and sold or gave you a dog to start out with papered or not they don't just show up in your yard one day  . and remember to keep a paper trail or have them registered along the way for people years from now when you are dead and gone to look at and research with . just think about all them good dogs that turn up and nobody knows what the hell they are or where they came from . it would be a nice thing to know wouldn't it   lol       see ya next year boys and girls   !!!!!!