EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I was hunting a couple weeks ago came across a dog in the woods was wherein a collor with a name plate so I tried to catch him to c who he belonged to well couldn't catch him so just went on hunting about 3 days later while hunting in the same spot I came across this dog again went down the road a little ways an was tracking some of my dogs that where running some guy came by so I stopped them an asked about the dog they said it was their dog an he was there Because they couldn't catch him the guy said if u can catch him you can have him. They said he was making a pretty good dog jus didn't have a handle so I went back with some crackers ended up getting him to step in a loop in a dog lead an pulling it around his leg an boy did he come alive. He tried to eat me up. When I got him calmed down an snapped the lead to his collar on the way home Let the dog ride in front of the truck with me jus trying to buddy up with him a little got him home an he acted like he liked me but jus didn't want me to touch him so jus kinda gave him some space brought him in the house for a short time over a couple days he would pace back an forth from one end of the house to the another when he would get ready he would jump up in the chair with me an lay by my legs if I petted him he would get up well a few days went by I thought he was doing a little better so I got 25ft of weed eater  string tied it to his collor an took him hunting a couple times he was fairly easy to catch when it was time to come home. had him on a run at the house some how he got off it now I can't catch him been trying for two days an can't get within 50ft of him he barks at me for a little while like I'm not supost to b there an runs the other way  I guess the ? Is have any of you guys ever had a dog like this? An do u think he will come out of it ?that is if I get him caught again   Thanks for any info

i had 1 like that. raised him from a puppy. mr. 45 caught him with no problem. no more chasing him in the woods when it was time to go.

He will probably be wild like that til he dies. I have a female dog that's easy to handle as long as she's on a lead or cable but if she ever gets loose it takes a while to catch her crazy a$$. I would be done culled her but what she come off of is all gone except her and she throws some decent pups.

I'm with Charles. I cull dogs like this. Some like em and say they make the best hog dogs. Who knows but I know I don't like having to catch a dog simply because it doesn't want to come to me. I call em coyotes...

Drop the tailgate and open the box. He will load up. I have one like that. No problem for me to catch in the woods but at home I have threaten to shoot him 100 times. Usually I end up dropping the tailgate or cranking the wheeler and he loads up. Beyond that the other way is sit down and don't pay attention to him and he will come up and lay down beside me. I have spent many hours just sitting with him and messing with him. This is an improvement to the way it started. Plus side is no one is gonna steal him. Lol


Shotgun
Arkansas

He will come around. Lots of patience. Once he gets a few little things worked out in his quirky mind, he'll figure it out. I have one that was exactly like him, he now has the best handle out of my dogs..

Cull.

I can't stand a dog like that. I want my dogs to be easy to catch and happy to see me. I want dogs not coyotes.

I agree with francis......... I mean charles  >:D and YBM........... last thing I intend to deal with is a dog I can't catch......cull every time.........FAR to many good dogs in this world to waste time on a chitty one.

Some folks have more patience then others,, if you got the time for it then go with it... I never did.. I wont even keep one of them that is what they call "one man dogs".  Don't know what makes a dog turn into that from a puppy but I want em to hunt for me not me hunt for them. 

I jus hat to cull him this soon because the couple times I've got to hunt him he showed potential thanks for all the input

When you get your hands on him, try working with him on a 100 ft rope and a shock collar. Shouldn't take long to get him trained to come to you by the tone.

If you hate to cull him, then don't. I'm telling you the dog I'm talking about I can voice command load from a distance and he will load up. That's plenty of handle for me. I can work on him medically and he's fine. Just because he won't come to me and jump in my arms doesn't matter as long as he'll hunt. He is exactly ias the dog you describe. I don't understand how one can call a dog chitty if you have not given them a chance to prove themselves in the woods.

The main point to culling a dog that exhibits that type of behavior is simply eliminating the chance of it reproducing.

Wild or skittish typically comes from no socialism as a pup, mistreatment, or most likely........genetic abnormalities.

Think you hate one........coyote acting dog?

Try a whole litter !

The time you spend on one dog acting a fool is time lost to plenty more that are ready to go.

I think we're trying to make two different points here. The man is asking for advice on one dog, not talking about breeding and genetics. I would not even consider breeding my "coyote"-  matter of fact he's neutered now so it doesn't happen.

I wanted to give the dog a shot at it making it. Many of you would not and I respect that, but the guy that started the post seems to want to make it work and I'm letting him know that it can.

It MIGHT work, IF, he could devote all his time and efforts to that 1, without neglecting the training or work of his other dogs on the yard. If he truely wants to give the dog a chance, then so be it. But like abdul aka: justin said, "there are plenty of good dog out there".

More than likely myles, 1 of my dogs that is skittish stems from lack of socializing with her, but iv gotta work to put doggy bisquets in their bowls. I try to make up that time on my wk off by letting out of the kennel and spending time with her, but sometimes i think uncaging her makes it worse. She is still a pup, so yes, im gonna give more time, but if she doesnt get better with age/maturity and following mike's and few other advice on long leads n e collar, mr 22 or 45 will do the barking then.

Guess the reason for my boldness in statement is due to the simple % of folks that will inevitably do the exact opposite of what you have accomplished.

I have zero argument on anyone devoting their own time to attempt an intervention. Their time and their money.

But the jest of the population will undoubtedly allow the dog to slip back into population after becoming frustrated or bored with the project.  So it becomes a direct affecting factor of more dilution in the working dogs.

Even if you do not breed it.......someone will.
I will agree with the neutering move.

Cut it or Cull it! 

I hunt with some guys who never touch their dogs except to put tracking collars on or off.  These dogs will all load up after the hunt is over.  If you can't get him to load, I would cull.  Think about all the time that is wasted while hunting when someone is trying to catch a coyote acting dog. 

Well like stated your time your money do as you like I tried this one time had one wild as all get out spent a couple weeks on the project just seeing if it was lack of socialization or whatever. Not worth the time devoted. Plenty of good dogs that will act right to spend a lot of time one one junk that may or may not come out of it. Spend the time you would on one of the others you have that show potential and save yourself the headache. Just my advice good luck with whatever you choose.

This will work and if it don't then nothing will

what I highlighted along with what Mr. Myles said pertaining to the amount of effort needed to fix a dog like that is what I was hitting on when I said what I previously said about a chitty dog..........

I 100% agree that yes, more than likeyl with enough time/ work put into the dog doing the things that "mike" and "jsh" mentioned that I imagine that you could tame him down enough to use him for what you intend to use him for, I for one personally do not care to deal with those issues in dogs I personally raise/ own. Absolutely not knocking anyone who does, just not my cup of tea.

 I don't treat my mutts as pets and don't handle em too much but when I need/want to put a hand on one for one reason or another I expect to not have any issues doing it and I don't ask much of them other than to shut up in the yard and act normal/decent........ I simply refuse to put any time or effort into a dog that I cant handle as needed/ necessary...........as I said before, there are FAR to many good dogs that will act right from the get go for me to mess with a chitty one..... if the dog will load/ unload and follow basic commands then I have zero issues with it but if it won't well I won't bother with it, don't care how it acts in the woods.....and I hope I don't come off a rude, I really am not trying to be in any way shape or form but I honestly do not have the spare time or patience to work with a dog like that nor do I care to..... hog huntin w/ my mutts is a means to relax and unwind for me, I don't do it out of necessity to feed my family I do it simply because I enjoy it nothing more, I enjoy hunting with good friends, family and dogs.......if one of my mutts makes in unenjoyable then well he won't be mine for long  ;)

That's right justin, to many folks lose sight of it being enjoyable and fun, I want things to go as smooth as possible, one thing my dogs better have and that is a handle, I hunt to many places where you might have to call a dog off (mainly deer or turkey seasons). I have a friend who thinks it's a macho man deal if his dogs don't listen to him when he's trying to catch them off a track, says it shows heart, I for one think it shows ignorance on his part, he's the one out in the cold when it's in the 30's trying to catch his dogs while I'm sitting in the heat with mine in the box

This is very important to me if I call the dog it best come to me or be on a hog. I don't care how good it Hunts or how good it's bred or where it comes from. I teach my dogs to sit and heel on comand if they won't give me that I don't want them. I had dogs in the past that you couldn't catch very skiddish don't like that at all. I will just leave them out there if it's skiddish I dang sure won't put any gear on it been there done that lost more than what the dog was worth lol. IMO more hassle then pay off