EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I'm wanting some input on tension between bulldogs.

Red Russia is my main yard dog. She has some game type pedigree in her blood, super awesome bulldog. Very protective, very gentle, and a true example of a bulldog in my opinion....we as a family love her. She will never leave our yard. She would make a CD if I let her, but I'd rather keep her as a yard dog.

 I introduced Bambi about 4 months ago to the yard. My goal was to have her and Lola as my CD team. Everything has been just fine until Bambi came in heat then my cur Bella came in heat afterwards.

2 weeks ago Bambi was running around the yard(I let all my dogs free range the land periodically)....

Only this time, all I know, Russia and BB teamed up on Bambi for some reason, my guess dominance issues.

I was away from work so my wife and kids let em tire out (5 min) until they could get em separated. Not good on my part-I forgot to tell them she has her automatic feeder full and no need to open the kennel,,,,just give her water. I could see the tension in the air.

So----Now I don't let Bambi run loose if any other bulldog(besides Lola) is loose.

I did not raise Bambi, so she is 18 months and all her habits came from somebody's handling other than mine.

Lola has been with us since 6 weeks, so her handle is right where it should be....no aggression, awesome 10 month old pup.

If I'm around, the dogs listen just fine. I yell stop and they stop. They are good when I'm present....

During the  fight my wife said that Russia would not quit-she ignored all commands! Her button was pushed and she had Bambi pinned face down. We have never seen that side of Russia. I knew it was in her, but worst thing is I was not home! Bambi tried to listen and quit, but she had to protect herself.

My question is simple;

Can I place Russia and Bambi in a pen and train them to get along? With consistency, will they learn what I want? will their genetics as a breed rule and I'd be wasting my time?

I NEED all my dogs to be trusted to get along at ALL times. I respect pits as a breed and do not want to take away what they are at heart-which we all know what they were originally designed to do.

I believe it's all about handle and socialization. Lola and Lola's bloodline prove that to be true. Now how about Russia and Bambi? Do y'all think I may can train them with consistency to get along?

Here's Russia
(http://i1151.photobucket.com/albums/o637/mylesman1/7E6C869D-24D4-4830-B9E2-23581B49633E_zpsoxzo7zzs.png) (http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/mylesman1/media/7E6C869D-24D4-4830-B9E2-23581B49633E_zpsoxzo7zzs.png.html)

(http://i1151.photobucket.com/albums/o637/mylesman1/4812E37A-859A-4D32-897A-1FABCC17C7E6_zpseq72exmi.jpg) (http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/mylesman1/media/4812E37A-859A-4D32-897A-1FABCC17C7E6_zpseq72exmi.jpg.html)

Bambi
(http://i1151.photobucket.com/albums/o637/mylesman1/15853963-FBBD-4FAC-A947-286C6CC8040D_zpstamavqrf.jpg) (http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/mylesman1/media/15853963-FBBD-4FAC-A947-286C6CC8040D_zpstamavqrf.jpg.html)

(http://i1151.photobucket.com/albums/o637/mylesman1/959318BE-4E14-4B81-896C-86990B809413_zpsgvyn7kol.png) (http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/mylesman1/media/959318BE-4E14-4B81-896C-86990B809413_zpsgvyn7kol.png.html)

Bambi and Bella's 1st catch

(http://i1151.photobucket.com/albums/o637/mylesman1/CE76A039-CD79-4D45-8F63-45A6D78BE428_zpsprdn2jtt.jpg) (http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/mylesman1/media/CE76A039-CD79-4D45-8F63-45A6D78BE428_zpsprdn2jtt.jpg.html)

Lola

(http://i1151.photobucket.com/albums/o637/mylesman1/6FF7C8B4-A61C-411C-ACE8-39D5262640BD_zpshxnkdy3c.jpg) (http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/mylesman1/media/6FF7C8B4-A61C-411C-ACE8-39D5262640BD_zpshxnkdy3c.jpg.html)
 

Just to clarify, I'm talking about them in a pen with me for X amount of time, maybe 3 times  a day, letting them know they must get along. Basically I hang out with them together, then put em back on their run/kennel....and repeat daily,

When I get loud with them they both look up to me and lay down.....they are not hot bulldogs in my opinion, but-I've never  owned  "hot" bulldogs.

it would be best to keep them seperate when not supervised,eventually they will get into it and if your not there it will be a mess.been there done that tried that

My experience is once two dogs get into a scuffle.....the chances of it happening again are very likely.
You know your dogs better than anyone, so you have to decide what the best way to handle it would be.
If you're wanting them to spend time together supervised, in my personal opinion, I wouldn't stick them in a pen together. Its good to let them exert themselves somehow in each others company, such as with exercise.....walking them together is a good activity. Just remember, keep a break stick handy. I'd definitely never leave them unsupervised together ever again. I may catch hell for this but, I believe it true, that no matter how well trained a dog is.....genetics can overpower the brain If the situation arrises. 

agreed 100%

and as big nasty said too, been down that road before. kinda dealing with it now with a cur bitch and a dog bitch. the dog is a climber, she claimed into the adjacent kennel while i was messing with the pigs, and all hell broke loose them 2 females. can i say who started it, NO, i think my cur did, but the dog climbed into my cur's domain. the dog has climbed in for unknown reason reasons before, and the fight was on. then there have been times she has climbed in there and nothing has happened. the last fight, i did a little water boarding on both dogs, and since then, neither has fought, but i don't trust them anymore.

We have two gyps that are littermates and have dominance issues, supervised they are fine, hunt so good together because of their competitive nature they push each other, just can't put in the same box and been that way since they were 3 months old and have done some serious attitude adjustments. And they are going on three now.  Also I have noticed when gyps come in season it changes attitudes

I have experienced the same thing with 2 gyps kenneled together... they get along just fine until one or both come in season...they can get along just fine in the same kennel until the heat cycle kicks in...

As far as the 2 bulldogs go I don't know what it will take to fix the problem...I do know what works best for me with 2 rough cur dogs In the same kennel...and that is to give shock therapy to both at the same time more or less...and make a statement when you do...even then I wouldn't house them together on account we are talking about bulldogs...

With the cur dogs it was a never-ending battle with them when I was only using the e collar on the antagonizer only. ..the problem solved when using the e collar on both...

Good stuff, I needed this input.....supervised is probably the only way I can let them hang out.....I'm thinking Bambi ain't for me due to that fact. I can do without that added stress in my yard. I like knowing 100% my dogs are all good no matter what. I'm not sure what to do, as time passes I'm sure I will figure out the best option. Thanks for y'all's time replying..

Keep em separate except when they are. Under your direct supervision. Then, the group you are gonna hunt, work with them to get along in a dog box and hunting situations. Once they figure out u loading the wheeler, getting collars etc, hopefully they'll figure out its time to run hogs and they'll Co exist for the chance to chase hogs. Good luck

Rules For Bulldogs:  1) Keep each bulldog on it's own chain.  2) Take bulldog off chain and go hunting.  3) Return bulldog to chain after hunting.  4) Get rid of any bulldog that fights.   

Genetics is genetics, you can't change that.  But that's not an excuse to not try and "rehabilitate" dogs that are aggressive on your yard. Good luck!